Inconvenient facts about electric vehicles from a Tesla Owner (4chan copypasta)
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Source: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366827832/inconvenient-facts-about-electric-vehicles-from-a
- They immediately lose 10% of their total battery capacity permanently. Google “tesla range loss” if you don’t believe me. Tesla warranty only covers more than 30% capacity loss up to 100k miles so the average 10% loss within the first year (I lost it within the first 3000 miles) is completely within spec.
- Cold weather destroys range. So if you live in the north expect to lose about 33% of your range on days the temp drops below 40 degrees.
- Driving faster than 60 to 65 mph destroys range. If you drive 80 mph expect to get about about 75 miles using 50% of your battery capacity. Get ready to be cursed regularly on the freeway if you drive 65 mph.
- You’re instructed to not charge it to more than 80% capacity or let it drop below 20% capacity or it damages the battery. So you really only have 60% of the capacity to work with.
- Real world range is 66% of whatever the battery shows. If my battery says I have 198 miles to 0% that means I have 132 real miles.
- Supercharging is 90% as expensive as gasoline and damages your battery and takes more than an hour.
- Anything that heats up the battery is bad for its health. Ie supercharging, parking the car in the sun, doing multiple fast launches.
So take my “long range” tesla which has 330 miles range new. It lost more 10% of that range within 2 months of ownership and now shows 290 miles range at 100% charge. Furthermore I’m not supposed to charge it to 100% or let it drop below 20% so my range is now 60% of 290 miles so something like 180 miles. Also real world mileage is 2/3 of that range so I only get something like 120 miles usable range which means I can’t drive further than 60 to 75 miles away from home.
I was an electric car enthusiast and owned converted gas cars more than fifteen years ago. I concur with all of these points. My cars were lead acid though and had a 25 mile practical range. They were only any good for local use. you could charge my cars from an ordinary mains socket, although it took a few hours for a full charge.
It seems to me that if everyone had electric cars, they would not be able to capriciously join convoys or even move from one city to another without planning their journey carefully around charging. The tech is perfect for limiting people's movement. That's why it is being adopted in my opinion and why they are trying to phase out gas cars.
Not to mention we are not in control of the power grid to charge at will. That rationing is coming too.
Yes, of course, and Tesla could send a message out to the cars as well to limit their range. There are so many ways to limit and monitor electric cars. I did not appreciate this years ago.
The last five years have certainly opened my eyes into how much control we have given them over us. At least a Tesla is cool - imagine falling for a Prius!!
Upvoted you, but if you are a proper EV enthusiast, Tesla's ain't cool, they're buggy prima-donnas which crash and catch fire.
Hey don't bag on Prius. That shit is hybrid so it still runs on gas at incredible mpgs, and relatively low cost brand new.
Sorry - I follow them every day up and down a hilly road for 22 miles and it is either the drivers or the car that creeps up hill 20 miles under the speed limit. I do envy the mpg, I drove a corrolla for 15 years.
Pretty much. My brother has one and loves it to death. It's very reliable. The gas price is right. His maintenance costs have been low. And the hatchback lets him accommodate carrying things which would be difficult in a standard 4D sedan. The hybrid engine technology seems to be very good - as evidenced by the track record of however million of them are driving around.
The full electric, not quite so much.
Just like a train
But somehow, people still think Elon is a white hat...
They pump him money and he just donates it away, it's funny. If they keep sending him money and he spends it on the rights things, let him keep at it.
He is a link to a lot of normie millenials and z'rs.
This is tax deductible, you know.
He can be a white hay and still produce worthless, inefficient vehicles. I'm not saying he is, but it's possible.
Trump is a business owner of significance. Putin is a politician of significance. Mike Lindell is a business owner of significance.
Yes with smart meters they could limit you if you wrongthink too much
"calls to shut of Russian Teslas" - yup - bad political opinions = you own a expensive brick.
Paper ballots. Gas gars with NO outside wifi connections - etc etc-
The Internet of Things is a gateway to totalitarian control of everything in your life.
IoT sounds great until you recognize the implications of that old maxim "anything on a computer can be hacked."
And I really don't need a voice-activated toaster.
Maybe -- maybe -- it would make a little more sense once the Free Energy starts to flow. But I'm not holding my breath until that happens. IF it happens.
Of all the anti-EV arguments, I can't fathom why /this/ one comes up on a board full of so many thinking, awake minds.
Unless you happen to be a petrochemical engineer sitting on a specific geographic feature (e.g. oil), how on earth do you think you can make your own gas? You can get a solar array (say, pre-chaos) and charge an EV even if the rest of the world disappears. I haven't seen many home refinery kits available. (And before someone brings up moonshine, Ethanol is corrosive to most plastic like fuel lines and won't run a car very long unless it is built for E85+ from scratch.)
Heck, if the power goes out, so do the gas pumps, and gas will expire quick enough stockpiling isn't a rational solution.
Sure, a 1970 Nova or something with a carb and no electronics will likely survive an EMP, but it still is only good for the 200 miles or so in the tank
If things get more serious, people will need to work and play near their home and bicycles will be making a comeback.
Good energy choices will come one day. For now, we still get to decide based on our own needs.
Not muh hybrid F150, it is so quiet, no engine star/turnover noise like I hear other cars/trucks make after being stopped. Has a 7.2kW generator in it which is convenient.
I love my F150. It’s a 5.0 and drinks gas like a drunken sailor. We almost broke up this weekend, but I decided to keep her. Why? Because, I love her. Not like I loved my ex-fiancé who left me for a heroin addict who later overdosed and died and she tried blaming his death on me despite me never really knowing the guy let alone being into heroin. So yeah, F150’s are nice trucks but you may wanna look at their eco boost engines which I hear have better fuel economy. And never date crazy. Yes, the sex is amazing but it comes at a steep cost. Hope this helps!
Lmfao she tried to blame you for his overdose!? How did she figure that?
Narcissistic personality disorder combined with a healthy Xanax habit leads to a break in reality.
Facts! Back when I was addicted to xanax, I completely lost the ability to exercise judgement and foresight into the consequences of my actions.
I been to kansas too
I’m really not sure about who is more or less evil. I need to read up on the car companies a little more, I keep hearing “ABC is going full EV by 20XX…” but I don’t see it being realistic. I love having gas. I keep extra gas. Do EV homeowners have extra power banks to charge said EV if power is out? How about a GAS generator to charge the car? KEK! I wonder how many people that RENT their domicile own EV? Does the property owner have a power bank/generator for them? Heck no. I’m in a hillier area and am getting 18/22 city/hwy 28gal tank. Very comfortable. Quiet. I tow a trailer part of the year, very easy. Sport mode it is very fast. Highly rec.
Nothing outside of the 5 year plan really matters for corporate planning purposes. It costs them nothing for them to say the’ll be [insert goal] by 2035 or 2040.
Electric vehicles = No supply chain.
Plug-in hybrid - best of both worlds. Cheaper on the first few miles and efficient use of unrestrained range using gas
Yes, as long as the companies do not shut it down remotely. I think they will have an opportunity to disable the car when it is plugged in to charge. I'm sure that it will have to handshake with the grid to charge.
I know that all modern gas cars are connected to the internet, but at the moment, if you disable that, they keep going AFAIK. This may not carry on in the future. Isn't there a bill to mandate a remote engine kill in all new cars at some near point in the future? I suspect it'll be illegal to disable that.
let alone burying anything about alternate fuels like ethanol.. used to be a kind of underground thing with people tuning and modifying their carburetors and making their own fuel with stills
This is a way of government controlling your movements. However what choice will you have when you can no longer obtain parts for your old car? Cash for klunkers took old cars without chips off the market. Everything today has computer chips and the computer chips can”fail.”
This is why the gov subsidized the ev market....it’s about control
Find a good junkyard.
I just couldn't bring myself to buy a Tesla, honestly, any electric car!
Wouldn't have done so well stuck for hours in gov northams snow cluster fuck in winter
Although these points are mostly true, it's definitely without context. I've beaten my range limit several times in spring and summer, and I've also seen low range in winter. This is because it takes energy to heat the cabin. I've seen the range loss due to battery age, but it also levels off. I've only used supercharging when needed on a super long road trip, and we didn't need to sit for an hour, because we didn't charge from 0 to full. It has a charging curve, we usually get from 20 to 80 percent charge by the time we hit the bathroom and back. This charge cost us around $7 Canadian. I've often driven the 400kms to visit my parents, in Winter, -30C, using the supercharger as stated. Sometimes my daughter wants a smoothie near another supercharger, so when we stop to buy that, i charge a bit more so we can then speed a bit for that last section.... again in -30C.
Our 3 is 4 years old. I still love it. We daily it, in a canadian prairie, in all seasons. Did Tesla explain how to best care for the battery and what range loss is all about? No, and fuck them for that. But my local service guy and I talked about it and now I have a better understanding. Tesla should make an effort, but in reality their customer service is horrible. It gets better every year, but they rely on word of mouth and the community of owners too much. That worked well when there were so few, but now they are mainstream, and they have a long way to go.
So if you haven't heard, and want to know, here's how to get the best performance from your Tasks battery, in terms of range and capacity:
Unlike your phone or other chargeables, you can set your charge limit and even charging times with the Tesla, to optimize capacity over time. Staying between 20 and 80-90 percent day to day has shown to result in better capacity long term. Teslafi.com is a service that can track your battery performance and will show you how you compare to the rest of the fleet.
Charging to 100 percent from home does no damage, provided you don't have the battery sit at 100 percent for long. We charge to 100 percent while loading up for trips, then we leave. Simple process. You can start and stop charging like this easily from the phone app.
Running the car down below 10 percent can cause damage if it's done frequently and it's allowed to sit at that level. We usually see this only in long trips, when we plug is once we arrive. Fpr these long trips, therfore, we access all 100% of the range with no damage, as we follow the procedures listed above. Simple process again.
Supercharging frequently can cause capacity loss especially when pushing amps hard in the 80 to 90 percent and above range. So, on long trips, the car can use its navigation and tell you when you have all the charge you need, helping you to know if you really need to wait for that last 10 percent or not. And the first 10% / list 20% charge takes as long as the middle 70%, so it's also a waste of time if you don't need it. Simple process once you know it. If you do need superchargers frequently and want to control those sessions, you can also specify a max amperage.
The car is most efficient when little energy is used for hvac, there is little wind resistance, and little rolling resistance. You can very easily add hundreds of kilometers of range (+50 to 100%) by driving in Spring or Fall at 50 to 80kph around town, with few or gentle starts. The ideal trip would be a slow moving highway, with a constant speed, in moderate weather. You can also lose 40 to 60 percent range driving 120kph in winter (-10 to -30C) with winter tires on. This is why the heat pump upgrade made waves in the Tesla community. For mild winters, say down to -15C, the heat pump drastically reduces hvac usage, and associated range loss. Further improvements are needed though as it can't function on long trips below -20C. They are constantly innovating and I would expect the heat pump to get improvements within the year.
There is another type of range loss in the cold, this is where the battery is too cold to deliver full power. It can lose around 5 to 20 percent this way. But it's a problem that can be managed. As mentioned, you can control the charging time. So if you set the car to be conditioned and ready to leave when you plan to leave, the car will charge the battery to finish at that time. Since charging warms the battery, it will be ready with full access to the warm capacity, and the car will also have preheated the cabin. After driving for a couple hours in severe cold below -15C, the car motor and inverter may not be generating enough heat to keep the battery warm and some range may start to drop. If you are heading to a supercharger, enter that in the navigation and the car will create excess motor heat and use it to warm the battery as you drive. This uses a bit more energy, but saves more than it uses. For the last leg of the trip, you can set a nearby supercharger to your destination in navigation to get the car to warm the battery, and simply turn off navigation once you get close enough to your destination, say the last 50kms.
As for the capacity loss, it took about 2 years for ours to drop, and it was a gradual affair over that time. It has now settled to a 9% loss after 4.5 years / 56,000kms. Nobody told me about this, so fuck you Tesla. However now that I know, it's not "immediate", and makes no difference how I use the car.
As for heat causing damage, I'm in the cold end of the spectrum, but from what I've seen on TeslaFi, most users are in near my same range loss.....range. When left plugged in, the car heats or cools the battery as needed. I don't think that idea has much credence, likely only if the car is abused? Even then, TESLA leaves cars in their lots for weeks in the California heat before being transported, with no issues. I haven't seen any evidence that this claim of battery damage is true.
So yeah, there's a good bit of information buyers should know that Tesla doesn't make sure to put on blast, relying on the community and after sales service teams to answer. Fuck Tesla for that. But it's really not the clusterfuck that this post makes it out to be.
"...I only get something like 120 miles usable range which means I can’t drive further than 60 to 75 miles away from home.
Stop trying to justify this nonsense.
I don't know what you read, but I read the account of someone who owns a Tesla. This was way more interesting the 4chan post, because it was clearly written by someone who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder, and who had a different experience.
Their post has actually swayed me towards buying a Tesla, because I can combine it with solar and pay almost nothing for transportation after the initial cost. My house will always have solar, but I cannot drill for oil in my backyard, so I will be less dependent on external factors for my transportation.
"Clearly written by someone who's already financially invested in their Tesla having been a good purchase"*
There, I fixed it for you. I advise you to Google "sunk cost fallacy", and then if you still want to, go buy yourself a Tesla.
And while you're at it, go look up reviews for the vaccine by people who have been vaccinated. They'll give you all kinds of positive first hand experiences with how much the vaccine helped them beat Covid.
I can tell you have fantastic reading comprehension and a healthy skepticism of your own opinions. Keep it up! You're going far with that attitude.
Of course I do. I used to be a libtard who thought the media was honest just 2 years ago.
Reevaluating my own beliefs and coming to terms with the notion that they were all built on a foundation of deceit and dissonance is what led me to vote Trump and find these forums after all.
That's awesome. Takes a lot of willpower to do that. Glad you made it safely :).
Shanks! 🤓
Sounds horrible
Wow crazy. I just drive a gas car and have no problems.
Anyone who owns a cell phone knows exactly what battery degradation looks like. I said this YEARS ago. No way the 3's get thay range. NO WAY.
Apple just released a new iPhone SE after releasing one last year. But, this one has longer battery life! The 2021 model, which I have, isn't very good as far as the battery. My previous LG (Android) was much better.
Battery powered drill.
I rented a Tesla just to see how it was... and while it was a neat gadget, I felt like a dumbass sitting at a Tesla charging station for 30 minutes when I could have just filled up my car with gas in 3 minutes and been on my way.
But I did get to meet a blue haired teacher and we talked about cats for 20 minutes... so you take the good with the bad I guess....
If you have a home with a garage it's not that bad. I typically plug in every few days and leave it charge overnight.
I took it on one 800 mile trip and yea waiting at the supercharger isn't ideal but you either talk to other Tesla owners or go sit down and grab a bite to eat.
If I didn't have a place to park/charge at home I probably wouldn't recommend a electric car .
Check your homeowners insurance policy regarding charging your electric car in the attached garage, probably voids it. FLAME on!
AFAIK Tesla is the /only/ EV manufacturer that thought of this. Early on, they realized a tiny percentage of LiON batteries would indeed catch on fire via thermal runaway, but that was enough to be unacceptable. They built the cells in little packs with some kind of gel around them, such that if one started heating up the surrounding ones (and the gel) would suck enough heat to stop thermal runaway, and the battery charging system would then disconnect it from its grid so the remainder of the pack didn't turn into a brick.
There is a lot of engineering they did for this kind of thing; when I hear a GM Bolt lit a block on fire, it boggles my mind that no one there thought of this...
I tell people never get a electric unless you charge when you sleep. Away charging is only for road trips where a 30 minute pee and meal break makes sense
I spend less time charging than I spend gassing because I don't spend any time charging at all hug cant fill up gas in the garage at home. If you can't do that it's like a sports car you have to fill up 2-3 times a week wasted time.
Any new Tesla customers: I’ll take your old 1998 or older Ford F-250s off your hands. Cheap. Think of the climate change. You should get rid of them. Really. Right now.
The ocean is rising minute by minute.
Sounds like it’s basically a sack of turds.
I had an electric skateboard for a few years. I could notice the battery getting weaker after 100 charges or so. Used to ride it everywhere. Eventually i just put it out on the curb.
Annnnd it can be "turned off" on you from their end.
Social credit not high enough today? Too bad.... WALK.
You will go nowhere and be happy.
Great post, very detailed.
Control of the population is the desire of this government. Just like they locked you down for the pandemic the EV is the same coin. Today if you get off the reservation they can shut down your EV. New cars will soon have kill switch that locks you down from movement if they desire. New digital currency will make it easy to get you from doing transactions if you step out of line. You are headed to a life prison and your behavior will determine if you get any perks. You will work hard and own nothing and be happy serving the elites. Modern day slavery is on the way.
The power source of the car (battery/gas) has nothing to do with the government's ability to shit it down remotely. All new cars are full of tech. Even the gas powered ones.
Electric vehicles are best for frequent local use only.
I am waiting for Hydrogen powered cars… it will happen.
Problem is you don't want your average joe hiting the hydrogen tank with a wrench while smoking a cigarette lol.
Heard something about converting the hydrogen on demand as the car drives, so it has no reservoir to explode on impact. That sounds doable maybe?
This is the top of the line, best in the business electric cars. Can you imagine how bad consumer grade budget electric cars will be? They'll have us all driving the equivalent of golf carts, while the government and their lackies will still have access to gasoline engines.
We'd do better to bring back the Stanley Steamer. Not kidding.
They tried to reinvent the wheel. They failed. I have a hunch that when Nikolai Tesla's tech is unveiled to the world, batteries aren't a thing.
I got a hunch that tech dosent exist
Just look who owns one? It's rich elites who don't drive that much or drive a few miles from home doing the coffee shop or neiman marcus circuits, they aren't driving long distances and probably not on highways but for a short distance. This isn't a car owned by people driving an hour or hour and a half to get to work. Once again the people get played while the elites get richer.
Even though I make good money now and can afford the $200+ dollars it takes to fill my Dodge TRX I know eventually (unless something drastic and good happens) I will probably be priced out of driving it...BUT until then...I'm going to enjoy the heck out of this truck...it's an amazing ride! FJB and the Demoncrap Liberal Scum!
Got an amazing V8 truck myself that is a blast to drive. The high gas prices really do hurt, but are still manageable.
If it ever reaches 10+ however, then I'd be priced out from using it as a daily driver :(
Ram TRX is the BOSS !! I would love to have one. But am very happy with my 2020 HEMI version. Still the best pickup I’ve ever owned and I’ve had many. Thinking about having to own an electric pickup makes me viscerally ill.
Inb4 getting robbed by a gang of blm protesters
Holy shit what a terribly functioning vehicle. Only being able to drive 60 to 75 miles away from home? What a fucking waste of a machine.
THe amount of fud here is unreal
Until we start using motor driven generators that self power their own drive motor we will never have an electric car worth a shit. Hybridized are much better at the moment. So prius has a better design than tesla. I hate them all.
This is all pretty well-known honestly. None of it is really new. I'm not attacking you for posting, only trying to give context to people who may still not know this. Engineers and scientists have been critical of this technology because it's still in its infancy. It's not ready to replace the internal combustion energy, despite the propaganda.
Dang, I’ll stick to my “I did this—>” expensive fossil fuel vehicles…
They want you to buy it and not live rural. If you live rural, you will not go anywhere. Therefore, you need to buy this car and stay within a few miles of your apartment. part of getting people to live on top of each other and reinforce that we are overpopulated.
Yeah, the commies found something really innovative for us to use and want us all to have electric vehicles. I say, tell them to pound sand--oil and gas are the most productive and useful in vehicles and other gasoline equipment. Like most people want to wait an hour while charging a vehicle. I can be in and out of a gas station in under 5 minutes!! :)
I once had a friend during my college years who did a research report arguing against electric vehicles and allowed me to have a look. Many of the points in the OP is repeated in the report and that was ten years ago. I doubt things have gotten much better since then.
EVs will be nothing more than a pipe dream wishing we could go back to pipelines.
electric motorcycles and dirt bikes > electric cars
Tesla Model S P90D owner here.
After 110 000kms (68750 miles) the battery was still at 97%. Ben Sullins did a great analysis of battery degradation using real-world data.
During cold weather, you can pre-heat your battery in the morning by charging, giving you more range.
I charge to 90% most of the time, and I had 0 issues with my battery.
I live in Eastern Europe with electricity costing 0,18€ per KWh. I regularly drive 100mph, so I pay 4€ per 100km on my 770hp vehicle. My friend who drives 80mph pays 3€ per 100km driven. Would be $5,22 per 100 miles. The lighter Model 3 can probably get around 2,5€ per 100km driven. Would be $4,35 per 100 miles.
This is a great vehicle if you know what you will use it for. 90% of my driving is under 200 miles, so I charge at home.
In 20 000 miles driven, I had issues with small range only twice.
The first time could have been avoided had I charged my battery to full the night before. The second time could have probably been avoided if I hadn't driven above the speed limit.
90% of the time, I don't use supercharging - I charge at home. If you know that you'll be going for long business trips across your state, this might not be the ideal vehicle. It's up to you to decide.
If you have a friendly mechanic, he can absolutely turn off your internet connection so nobody can turn off your car remotely.
I had issues with my media control unit (the computer that controls the big display), called the Tesla service center and they couldn't access my car, it had to be recalled (they replaced everything under warranty).
For a month I drove a lighter Long Range Model 3. That thing could absolutely do 250 miles if it was driven within the speed limit.
To summarize: It's a great car with very cheap fuel costs if you drive less than 200-250 miles per day.
Your friendly mechanic can turn off the internet so nobody can turn off your car remotely.
I’ve driven a model X for 4 years now over 70k miles. Some of this list is accurate, but the 10% battery degradation is not correct at all. Also, you are not supposed to charge over 90% (not 80%) unless you are going on a trip.
I dont think Ill be towing my skidsteer with an EV. It takes my 6.5 turbo diesel to tow it. Some days I have to tow it to three or four different job sites and over 100 miles. Where would I charge it at a new construction site? There is rarely power on site to run lights in the basement or plug your Dewalt batteries in to recharge them. I carry a generator everywhere I go.
Even if I could recharge it, what if Im there for only an hour? How long would it take to recharge to go another 50 or 60 miles towing a 16k lbs machine plus a 16 foot long trailer?
I doubt an EV would tow my boat or snowmobiles up north either. I need my F250 gas motor to make it up the hills. And EV tech would pretty much demolish the RV business. Even towing a fifth wheel would be nearly impossible.
EVs are completely impractical for anything more than a 25 mile commute and back or a soccer moms trips to the grocery store and shuttling the kids. And even there a hybrid is a better choice.
EV tech is one more front in the war against tyranny.