It wasn't only the Irish. The first slaves in the American colonies were English, Scots, and Welsh as well. Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too. The Establishment has created the misnomer of "indentured servitude" to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the slave merchants themselves.
In George Sandy’s laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual."
In comparison to Islam and the rest of the world, Christianity wasn't big promoters of slavery. In fact, the Catholic Church condemned slavery in 1435. The Catholic Church unhesitatingly condemned racial slavery as soon as it began. In 1435, six decades before Columbus sailed, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of the black natives of the Canary Islands, and ordered their European masters to manumit the enslaved within 15 days, under pain of excommunication. In 1537, Pope Paul III condemned the enslavement of West Indian and South American natives, and explicitly attributed that evil, "unheard of before now," to "the enemy of the human race," Satan.
Papal condemnations of slavery were repeated by Popes Gregory XIV (1591), Urban VIII (1639), Innocent XI (1686), Benedict XIV (1741), and Piux VII (1815). In 1839, Pope Gregory XVI wrote,
"We, by apostolic authority, warn and strongly exhort... that no one in the future dare to bother unjustly, despoil of their possessions, or reduce to slavery Indians, Blacks or other such peoples."
Pope Leo XIII (1890), too, condemned slavery, and so did the Second Vatican Council
So, how did slavery continue in the Vatican influenced sphere? Most Americans don't realize either that the transatlantic slave trade was driven by the sugar trade and rum. By the very nature of this fact, it redirects us to where sugar cane grew. This of course was in the tropical regions of the Caribbean and Central and South America. This is where 97% of the transatlantic slaves went. The 3% came to America later. According to one well-regarded census, 9.6 million Africans arrived alive in the so-called "New World" from the 16th century through the 19th century. Of these, 427,000, were brought to what is now the United States.
It's true, slavery in the United States wasn’t abolished at the federal level until after the Civil War, but there were many anti-slavery laws already in effect. It's just that each State varied in it's laws and prohibition. The first anti-slavery statute in the U.S. occurred in Rhode Island on May 18, 1652 well before the American Revolutionary war. Other colonial states passed ant-slavery laws too. But, these laws varied and were constantly being undermined and were difficult to enforce. For Rhode Island, it's law was not really enforced and could have been for the very reason they couldn’t afford to enforce a ban on slavery.
Though Congress enacted several restrictions and partial bans to curb its practice, the “peculiar institution” of slavery remained 'legal'. The Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves, passed by Congress and signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson, forbade the importation of foreign born slaves "into any port or place within the jurisdiction of the United States.” This law went into effect on January 1, 1808 and forbade Americans from participating in the international slave trade. If they were found guilty of doing so, they faced up to $10,000 in fines and up to 10 years in jail. The country of Liberia was created in the early 19th century as a project of the American Colonization Society (ACS), which believed black people would face better chances for freedom and prosperity in Africa than in the United States. Between 1822 and the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1861, more than 15,000 freed and free-born black people who faced social and legal oppression in the U.S., along with 3,198 Afro-Caribbeans, relocated to Liberia. President James Monroe was a big supporter of ACS.
I could continue and talk about Islam and Judaism's belief in slavery and its widespread involvement in slave trade. Europe as far away as Iceland have been the recipients of Islamic raids enslaving people living in coastal dwellings. The entire Dark Ages was a result of Islamic salve trade and piracy on the Mediterranean Sea and elsewhere. The estimates of Europeans being kidnapped and enslaved is unknown, but the estimates from that time frame is in the millions. Slavery is actually now bigger and widespread than it ever was.
For reference, try reading "The Untold Story of White Slavery" by Thomas Jackson; "They Were White and were Slaves", "The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain" by Michael Hoffman; "The Lyon in Mourning" by Robert Forbes or for a summary, go to, "White Slavery, what the Scots already know"http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2008/12/white-slavery-what-scots-already-know.html
The federal census figures of 1860 shows this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters. The records also show that Black Slave owners were amongst the largest in all of the antebellum America.
Another important read is, "Who Brought the Slaves to America?" A simple Internet search will locate this online book.
The slave market exists today and White slaves are at the forefront as been throughout history. Read Victor Malerak's "The Natashas: Inside the New Global Sex Trade". He accounts that hundreds of thousands of East European women have been kidnapped and sold into slavery.
Dr. Tony Martin, Emeritus professor of African Studies at Wellesley College in Massachusetts expounds on this fact as well. He is not the only black revealing this 'hidden history'. In Louis Farrakhan's "The Secret relationship between Blacks and Jews" he names the principle forces behind the slave trade.
There are many other sources as well. I hope this helped.
After my mom passed I found a card in one of her drawers with the Irish blessing written on it. So I guess I'm a smidge of Irish too. I'll take a bag of sour cream and onion potato chips, a keg of Karbach Love Street, and a four-leaf clover. I'm 55 and have never been able to find one.
The Irish led the slave revolts in the Americas. So while much cheaper than African slaves, they were pains in the butt :)
(I'm half Irish so I was pleased when I read about the revolts)
It's actually the most regulated (for purity, recipe, etc.) whisky in the world, and if one looks at what the Irish and the Scots are doing these days (finishing in sherry casks, port casks, etc.), in some ways they are starting to mimic what was done in creating "bourbon".
Due to the French influence in New Orleans, the Kentucky producers used the fired oak casks to give the whisky a taste somewhat "towards" the brandy the Frenchified folk of N.O. preferred. And so was born the signature taste.
Due to all of the rotgut being made, The Bottled in Bond Act was passed, guaranteeing that if it said Kentucky Bourbon on the bottle, and 100 Proof/Bottled in Bond, it was a guaranteed product (no shoe polish or methyl alcohol, etc.).
Indeed Kentucky Whisky is something of which we should be respectful. I like Rye a lot as well.
Hey hey hey buddy. I'm part Cherokee and Irish and part Scottish. Hold the liquor. Us Cherokee and Irish can't handle much 'fire water.' And you know about the Scots.
So did I. I quit drinking April 10, 2014. I quit smoking September 16, 2016. One vice at a time. God helped me and I haven't looked back since. Congrats to the both of us.
I point this fact out whenever someone expects me to get outraged over black slavery. I also add that the owners of indentured Irish were more likely to work those white to death than an owner of a black slave, because the indenture was only for (typically) seven years, where slaves were a long term investment.
Fun Fact: In the 200 odd years of trans-antlantic slavery in North Ameria, an estimated 10-12 million Africans were enslaved. Meanwhile, in the 49 years since abortion was de-facto legalized with Roe v Wade, an estimated 20 million black babies were aborted. Promiscuous black women have murdered twice as many of their own children in the womb than slave owners possibly could have in a quarter of the timeframe.
White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America.
This is a good read.
"In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. Urchins were swept up from London’s streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide “breeders” for Virginia. Hopeful migrants were duped into signing as indentured servants, unaware they would become personal property who could be bought, sold, and even gambled away. Transported convicts were paraded for sale like livestock.
Drawing on letters crying for help, diaries, and court and government archives, Don Jordan and Michael Walsh demonstrate that the brutalities usually associated with black slavery alone were perpetrated on whites throughout British rule. The trade ended with American independence, but the British still tried to sell convicts in their former colonies, which prompted one of the most audacious plots in Anglo-American history.
This is a saga of exploration and cruelty spanning 170 years that has been submerged under the overwhelming memory of black slavery. White Cargo brings the brutal, uncomfortable story to the surface."
The above is a summary
I had ancestors that came over this way. Never got "freedom".
Good question. My stepfather's father was apparently an orphan train child. I don't know how he ended up in the Pacific Northwest, but he was "adopted" by a wealthy family to work for them for free. Adoption was in name only. When he was still a young teenager he was given a train ticket back to NYC, and told never to contact them again. He had a hard life, but raised a family and took good care of them. Most of his children were successful and well educated.
It would be something if you could find more information on that. Seems like quite the coordinated effort to put that many orphaned children on trains even back then.
Don’t consider myself one… I’m sick of people playing the victim on everything.. not just this issue.. our society is Rotting because so many want to on so many issues… and most of the time for things that have never happened to them personally!! We all need to grow the hell up
No apologies necessary.. And I agree.. Their teaching our kids that Others have control of their peace and happiness because their FEELERS trump Truth..
We all have a lot of re-educating to do with these young folks..
They were called "Indentured Servants" working to pay the cost of coming to America. What they didn't tell you is you would never make enough to pay your bill. My wife's great, great Grandfather came to the IS when he was 12 years old and an indentured servant. He was a Russian Jew---probably a Gypsy. He wound up as a riverboat gambler and his wife was a fortune teller.
All the people mentioning potatoes should remember that potatoes originated over here. They were imported to Ireland. They just ate so many of them that we started calling them Irish potatoes, as opposed to sweet potatoes.
It was difficult to read more than a few chapters at a sitting but found myself picking it up again every few days, fascinated. It took me over a year to finish, reading in small chunks. Quite an eye-opener.
Slavery happens today and our government currently enables it. I'd rather they free those who are either sex slaves or economic slaves in today's world than give money to descendants for a crime that happened hundreds of years ago.
You are living in slavery everyday. I toil each day to pay my taxes so I can keep my house and then the overlords that I did not vote for send the fruit of my toil to themselves.
The first of my ancestors (gg..Grandmother) in America came as an indentured servant from Ireland as a child in the 1680's. She remained in servitude until 1699, her 21st birthday, at which time she was "transported" by locals who made sure that the plantation owner knew that she was a free woman. So even then, there was an active anti-slavery movement.
Exploitation of people is evil. But just for clarification, indentured servitude and slavery are not the same thing. A person is physically forced into the latter state against their will, whereas indentured servitude is ultimately voluntary, albeit if pressured. Though American slave owners perfected the system of race based chattel slavery in the first few decades of the 1800s, the sad reality is that nearly all civilizations in all times and all places, practiced slavery. The largest slave system, relative to the world's population at the time, would have been that run by Islamic Arabs, through conquest in the Middle East, Africa and Europe. Even in the western hemisphere, the vast majority of African slaves brought over the Atlanic, ended up in the Caribbean, Central and South America, and NOT in North America, what would become the United States. However, once we banned the importation of slaves (Jefferson signed the act into law the first year permitted under the Constitution), masters figured out it was far more efficient to breed slaves than import, since of course, the plantation powers ensured that chattel slavery remain and prevent emancipation laws from being passed.
My Irish ancestors got screwed, as did my German and Dutch ancestors. But they weren't enslaved.
Be careful not to stoop to using leftist tactics of twisting facts and redefining terms to support exaggerated or outright false narratives
I'll take two boxes of Lucky Charms and a couple of playoff games to the Boston Celtics! No potatoes been on them for last year since getting fired for not taking the Vax. St. Patrick day beer.
Now does everybody want REPARATIONS?😎 Don't forget Italians, they had to deal with the Mafia and working as slaves (only saying this tongue in cheek, cause I don't know if the Italians were ever enslaved). Maybe everybody was at one time or another, but today--not many--except to our jobs, and of course the government!!
It wasn't only the Irish. The first slaves in the American colonies were English, Scots, and Welsh as well. Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too. The Establishment has created the misnomer of "indentured servitude" to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the slave merchants themselves.
In George Sandy’s laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual."
In comparison to Islam and the rest of the world, Christianity wasn't big promoters of slavery. In fact, the Catholic Church condemned slavery in 1435. The Catholic Church unhesitatingly condemned racial slavery as soon as it began. In 1435, six decades before Columbus sailed, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of the black natives of the Canary Islands, and ordered their European masters to manumit the enslaved within 15 days, under pain of excommunication. In 1537, Pope Paul III condemned the enslavement of West Indian and South American natives, and explicitly attributed that evil, "unheard of before now," to "the enemy of the human race," Satan.
Papal condemnations of slavery were repeated by Popes Gregory XIV (1591), Urban VIII (1639), Innocent XI (1686), Benedict XIV (1741), and Piux VII (1815). In 1839, Pope Gregory XVI wrote,
"We, by apostolic authority, warn and strongly exhort... that no one in the future dare to bother unjustly, despoil of their possessions, or reduce to slavery Indians, Blacks or other such peoples."
Pope Leo XIII (1890), too, condemned slavery, and so did the Second Vatican Council
So, how did slavery continue in the Vatican influenced sphere? Most Americans don't realize either that the transatlantic slave trade was driven by the sugar trade and rum. By the very nature of this fact, it redirects us to where sugar cane grew. This of course was in the tropical regions of the Caribbean and Central and South America. This is where 97% of the transatlantic slaves went. The 3% came to America later. According to one well-regarded census, 9.6 million Africans arrived alive in the so-called "New World" from the 16th century through the 19th century. Of these, 427,000, were brought to what is now the United States.
It's true, slavery in the United States wasn’t abolished at the federal level until after the Civil War, but there were many anti-slavery laws already in effect. It's just that each State varied in it's laws and prohibition. The first anti-slavery statute in the U.S. occurred in Rhode Island on May 18, 1652 well before the American Revolutionary war. Other colonial states passed ant-slavery laws too. But, these laws varied and were constantly being undermined and were difficult to enforce. For Rhode Island, it's law was not really enforced and could have been for the very reason they couldn’t afford to enforce a ban on slavery.
Though Congress enacted several restrictions and partial bans to curb its practice, the “peculiar institution” of slavery remained 'legal'. The Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves, passed by Congress and signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson, forbade the importation of foreign born slaves "into any port or place within the jurisdiction of the United States.” This law went into effect on January 1, 1808 and forbade Americans from participating in the international slave trade. If they were found guilty of doing so, they faced up to $10,000 in fines and up to 10 years in jail. The country of Liberia was created in the early 19th century as a project of the American Colonization Society (ACS), which believed black people would face better chances for freedom and prosperity in Africa than in the United States. Between 1822 and the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1861, more than 15,000 freed and free-born black people who faced social and legal oppression in the U.S., along with 3,198 Afro-Caribbeans, relocated to Liberia. President James Monroe was a big supporter of ACS.
I could continue and talk about Islam and Judaism's belief in slavery and its widespread involvement in slave trade. Europe as far away as Iceland have been the recipients of Islamic raids enslaving people living in coastal dwellings. The entire Dark Ages was a result of Islamic salve trade and piracy on the Mediterranean Sea and elsewhere. The estimates of Europeans being kidnapped and enslaved is unknown, but the estimates from that time frame is in the millions. Slavery is actually now bigger and widespread than it ever was.
Excellent post fren! +1
Any sauce for the white slave trade? Quite interested.
For reference, try reading "The Untold Story of White Slavery" by Thomas Jackson; "They Were White and were Slaves", "The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain" by Michael Hoffman; "The Lyon in Mourning" by Robert Forbes or for a summary, go to, "White Slavery, what the Scots already know"
http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2008/12/white-slavery-what-scots-already-know.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20111017180637/http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2008/12/white-slavery-what-scots-already-know.html
For an understanding regarding Slavery in America read "Dixie's Censored Subject: Black Slave Owners" by Robert M. Grooms.
The federal census figures of 1860 shows this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters. The records also show that Black Slave owners were amongst the largest in all of the antebellum America. Another important read is, "Who Brought the Slaves to America?" A simple Internet search will locate this online book.
The slave market exists today and White slaves are at the forefront as been throughout history. Read Victor Malerak's "The Natashas: Inside the New Global Sex Trade". He accounts that hundreds of thousands of East European women have been kidnapped and sold into slavery.
Dr. Tony Martin, Emeritus professor of African Studies at Wellesley College in Massachusetts expounds on this fact as well. He is not the only black revealing this 'hidden history'. In Louis Farrakhan's "The Secret relationship between Blacks and Jews" he names the principle forces behind the slave trade.
There are many other sources as well. I hope this helped.
Thank you greatly.
We can't talk about them.
I'm 1/4 Irish. I'll take a six-pack and a potato for reparations.
I'm Irish, Cherokee and Scots. I'll take 2 bags of potatoes, some buffalo meat, a bottle of scotch and a wrestling match with Elizabeth Warren.
Correction. Ulster Scot heritage.
I’m 17% Irish, I’ll take a Leprechaun keychain and some Lucky Charms.
I think with Justine Turdeau, the only thing he's (I will for the sake of simplicity assume his gender) going to sign up for is a pillow fight.
Maybe a slapfest. Possibly some light hair pulling.
A My pillow fight?
You sounds like you might be a racist.
/s
Only if a white pillow is used. We only use PoC (pillows of color).
you are wrong. greco-roman wrestling match. naked, like they did in the old days.
Justine has entered the chat. Very interested in the pounding he might take.
After my mom passed I found a card in one of her drawers with the Irish blessing written on it. So I guess I'm a smidge of Irish too. I'll take a bag of sour cream and onion potato chips, a keg of Karbach Love Street, and a four-leaf clover. I'm 55 and have never been able to find one.
You might catch something from him.
Nice
What potatoes? The Irish have potatoes? 🤣
Just my two front teef will be enouf, Santa aint done shit about it.
As a black Irish native american indian, I deserve a triple dip. ___ Pocahontas 'Bojangles' Warren
Same here. Boston Irish and Nova Scotia Mi'kmaq peoples descendent.
The Irish led the slave revolts in the Americas. So while much cheaper than African slaves, they were pains in the butt :)
(I'm half Irish so I was pleased when I read about the revolts)
The Irish tent to be happy were ever they settled. God bless the Irish.
...first the English came to Kentucky and they built the churches....
...then the Germans came to Kentucky and they built the factories...
...finally the Irish came to Kentucky, and they built the moonshine stills....
Grandpa Dog...
A Brief History of Kentucky...
Isn't Kentuxky Whiskey a standard to be proud?
It's actually the most regulated (for purity, recipe, etc.) whisky in the world, and if one looks at what the Irish and the Scots are doing these days (finishing in sherry casks, port casks, etc.), in some ways they are starting to mimic what was done in creating "bourbon".
Due to the French influence in New Orleans, the Kentucky producers used the fired oak casks to give the whisky a taste somewhat "towards" the brandy the Frenchified folk of N.O. preferred. And so was born the signature taste.
Due to all of the rotgut being made, The Bottled in Bond Act was passed, guaranteeing that if it said Kentucky Bourbon on the bottle, and 100 Proof/Bottled in Bond, it was a guaranteed product (no shoe polish or methyl alcohol, etc.).
Indeed Kentucky Whisky is something of which we should be respectful. I like Rye a lot as well.
Vodka soda and a slice of lime was my drink.
Also a great one.
...moonshine was my favorite....
...but Kentucky straight i.e. Woodford Reserve or Buffalo Trace is a very good "government" whiskey....
...I was just running with the "Irish" theme of the thread....
...that said, I am looking forward to my annual New Years "shot" at midnight of 12.31... (probably some 70 year old shine from Grandpa Dog's cabinet)
...next year will be number 30 on the wagon....
Congrats on 30 years of wagon driving.
...wags tail soberly....
...not counting tomorrow...
...howls...
Hey hey hey buddy. I'm part Cherokee and Irish and part Scottish. Hold the liquor. Us Cherokee and Irish can't handle much 'fire water.' And you know about the Scots.
...I have been sober going on 30 years...
...I had a drinking problem...
...I had two hands and only one mouth....
...howls....
So did I. I quit drinking April 10, 2014. I quit smoking September 16, 2016. One vice at a time. God helped me and I haven't looked back since. Congrats to the both of us.
HOOTS and HOWLS. Hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot.
Howl, howl, howl, howl.
...I'll drink to that!
...raises a glass of ice tea...
...washes down a mouthful of cornbread....
What, no buttermilk and cracklin's?
...buttermilk yes...
...the old dog's teeth's cracklin days are past....
...howls...
I point this fact out whenever someone expects me to get outraged over black slavery. I also add that the owners of indentured Irish were more likely to work those white to death than an owner of a black slave, because the indenture was only for (typically) seven years, where slaves were a long term investment.
...we should...
...I will take mine paid in Glendalough 17 Year Old Single Malt Irish Whiskey...
That's just your potato privilege speaking
Fun Fact: In the 200 odd years of trans-antlantic slavery in North Ameria, an estimated 10-12 million Africans were enslaved. Meanwhile, in the 49 years since abortion was de-facto legalized with Roe v Wade, an estimated 20 million black babies were aborted. Promiscuous black women have murdered twice as many of their own children in the womb than slave owners possibly could have in a quarter of the timeframe.
White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America. This is a good read. "In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. Urchins were swept up from London’s streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide “breeders” for Virginia. Hopeful migrants were duped into signing as indentured servants, unaware they would become personal property who could be bought, sold, and even gambled away. Transported convicts were paraded for sale like livestock.
Drawing on letters crying for help, diaries, and court and government archives, Don Jordan and Michael Walsh demonstrate that the brutalities usually associated with black slavery alone were perpetrated on whites throughout British rule. The trade ended with American independence, but the British still tried to sell convicts in their former colonies, which prompted one of the most audacious plots in Anglo-American history.
This is a saga of exploration and cruelty spanning 170 years that has been submerged under the overwhelming memory of black slavery. White Cargo brings the brutal, uncomfortable story to the surface."
The above is a summary I had ancestors that came over this way. Never got "freedom".
My apologies if this book has already been posted to this thread.
I know the Aussies and they're very proud of that fact as well
Makes ya wonder if this had something to do with the orphan trains that are an oddity to American history
Good question. My stepfather's father was apparently an orphan train child. I don't know how he ended up in the Pacific Northwest, but he was "adopted" by a wealthy family to work for them for free. Adoption was in name only. When he was still a young teenager he was given a train ticket back to NYC, and told never to contact them again. He had a hard life, but raised a family and took good care of them. Most of his children were successful and well educated.
It would be something if you could find more information on that. Seems like quite the coordinated effort to put that many orphaned children on trains even back then.
I just read about that the other day. First I had heard of it. Horrible stuff.
And yet the orphan trains were started by well meaning people trying to get poor children good homes and off the streets of New York
Yeah, it's a sad thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Yeah we’re Irish. We don’t do the whole crybaby shit. We just suck it up, work hard and MOVE ON..
Send this to the 1619 project!
Ah.. more of WHO can become the biggest victims.
Don’t consider myself one… I’m sick of people playing the victim on everything.. not just this issue.. our society is Rotting because so many want to on so many issues… and most of the time for things that have never happened to them personally!! We all need to grow the hell up
I agree.
I apologize if it looks like I was coming at you. I am also tired of everyone playing the victim.
Mental health is so low. I think people need constant flattery and feel good.
No apologies necessary.. And I agree.. Their teaching our kids that Others have control of their peace and happiness because their FEELERS trump Truth.. We all have a lot of re-educating to do with these young folks..
Agreed and well said.
"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength." ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
The best way to handle that is to abolish taxes completely.
They were called "Indentured Servants" working to pay the cost of coming to America. What they didn't tell you is you would never make enough to pay your bill. My wife's great, great Grandfather came to the IS when he was 12 years old and an indentured servant. He was a Russian Jew---probably a Gypsy. He wound up as a riverboat gambler and his wife was a fortune teller.
All the people mentioning potatoes should remember that potatoes originated over here. They were imported to Ireland. They just ate so many of them that we started calling them Irish potatoes, as opposed to sweet potatoes.
Any good books to read for a more expansive view on early slavery in America?
The Greatest Emancipations: How the West Abolished Slavery by Jim Powell is an excellent -- and epic -- look at the slave trade throughout the West and the struggles to abolish it.
It was difficult to read more than a few chapters at a sitting but found myself picking it up again every few days, fascinated. It took me over a year to finish, reading in small chunks. Quite an eye-opener.
Thx fren. I really appreciate a readable recommendation like this (288 pgs).
Sometimes people throw an encyclopedia at me and it just doesn't help when I'm trying to cover so many topics.
I bring this up in every single discussion about slavery anytime somebody brings up slavery I bring up these exact points. Thank you for posting this.
It wasn't illegal for a white person and an Irish person to get married in Mississippi until 2007.
Slavery happens today and our government currently enables it. I'd rather they free those who are either sex slaves or economic slaves in today's world than give money to descendants for a crime that happened hundreds of years ago.
Needs sources.
Yes same here... the Irish were treated terribly. My family is from Ireland.
I'm still waiting for my reparations.....
You are living in slavery everyday. I toil each day to pay my taxes so I can keep my house and then the overlords that I did not vote for send the fruit of my toil to themselves.
The first of my ancestors (gg..Grandmother) in America came as an indentured servant from Ireland as a child in the 1680's. She remained in servitude until 1699, her 21st birthday, at which time she was "transported" by locals who made sure that the plantation owner knew that she was a free woman. So even then, there was an active anti-slavery movement.
One of my ancestors was an indentured servant, although he was from Germany.
See my uname? It’s the Gaeltacht for “the black heart”. I feel you, cousin.
Exploitation of people is evil. But just for clarification, indentured servitude and slavery are not the same thing. A person is physically forced into the latter state against their will, whereas indentured servitude is ultimately voluntary, albeit if pressured. Though American slave owners perfected the system of race based chattel slavery in the first few decades of the 1800s, the sad reality is that nearly all civilizations in all times and all places, practiced slavery. The largest slave system, relative to the world's population at the time, would have been that run by Islamic Arabs, through conquest in the Middle East, Africa and Europe. Even in the western hemisphere, the vast majority of African slaves brought over the Atlanic, ended up in the Caribbean, Central and South America, and NOT in North America, what would become the United States. However, once we banned the importation of slaves (Jefferson signed the act into law the first year permitted under the Constitution), masters figured out it was far more efficient to breed slaves than import, since of course, the plantation powers ensured that chattel slavery remain and prevent emancipation laws from being passed.
My Irish ancestors got screwed, as did my German and Dutch ancestors. But they weren't enslaved.
Be careful not to stoop to using leftist tactics of twisting facts and redefining terms to support exaggerated or outright false narratives
I'll take two boxes of Lucky Charms and a couple of playoff games to the Boston Celtics! No potatoes been on them for last year since getting fired for not taking the Vax. St. Patrick day beer.
After my family being here for 4/5 generations, I'm still 82% Irish and Scottish. I guess we were a close-knit group. Nobody owes me anything.
Now does everybody want REPARATIONS?😎 Don't forget Italians, they had to deal with the Mafia and working as slaves (only saying this tongue in cheek, cause I don't know if the Italians were ever enslaved). Maybe everybody was at one time or another, but today--not many--except to our jobs, and of course the government!!
Who owned the slave ships?
My grandparents were from Ireland. Proud Irish spirit-fueled American Patriot.
I’m so glad I do not pay taxes in California. If my money was going to this nonsense I would move!!!