The engineer can ignore a conductor easier than he can a defect detector, those devices's data is sent to dispatching centers and will be part of any investigation and/or lawsuit.
Your vision sounds like a jobs program today. Guarantee few if any people take the job seriously and instead spend it on their phone. What’s the pay rate for people who don’t see home every night? Why is a CCD camera bad again?
“Get rid of traffic lights and hire crossing guards because technology bad!”
Where did he mention cameras? Are you suggesting the Conductor should have a monitor to a camera in the back? Or is that what they already do? Hopefully the conductor is taking his job seriously, which is to focus on "Driving" the train...which is all he should have to do.
And he's already under the impression that he doesn't have to Focus on the cargo a mile behind him combusting into flames for no apparent reason, because of the Technology.....
That being said, we all know this wasn't a random failure of technology... and that the only technology they rely on is a censor they pass over. every 20 miles or whatever. There was most likely a multitude of technological failures that would have to happen simultaneously for this to happen.
So I agree with you that adding cabooses again solely to prevent things like this from happening, isn't practical...Because it wouldn't have prevented this... because this was deliberate. The People in the Caboose would be in on it, and frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the people conducting this train this time, were in on it.
But you just sound like you work for BIG LOCOMOTIVE or something. lol.
I at least know a train conductor doesn’t work on the actual train. That’s the engineer you fucking retard. A conductor works via radio. Your blaming the wrong person retard. Super low IQ? Must be big locomotive since my work brain is better than the local negro. Good job dipshit.
one of the other threads said that the train operators called in a "hotbox" on fire, and that it's common that occurs and routine to push on with this condition.
Unfortunately fairly common. Maintenance being what it is, they just say "false reading," and push on. It's just like you ignoring your Check Engine light because you think you know it's a malfunctioning sensor, and your car's still running and rolling along.
Some older vehicles would illuminate the MIL when there was a failure in the ABS system - more common pre-OBD-II.
However, let's stick with emissions. Perfectly fine, if one of those emissions sensors fails?
If one of the intake air (volume - MAF, pressure - MAP, temperature - IAT) sensors are failing, they can deliver the wrong info the computer. Your car can stall while you're driving as a result of too little or too much fuel.
A failing oxygen sensor causes driving issues. Slam on the gas to merge in with one failing, and the engine may fall on it's face.
Timing faults can trigger an MIL. Again, the vehicle can stall with the vehicle in motion.
Yep, only related to emissions, but far from "perfectly fine."
I've driven three different vehicles with the CEL on, which the shop couldn't diagnose or correct ("maybe it's this, maybe it's that, we ain't real sure, but pay us a couple grand anyway"), for thousands of miles without any of the events you described ever happening.
Sure, but just not TWENTY -- unless it was all downhill, which I tend to doubt is possible in Ohio. Anyone know of a 15-mile railroad downslope in the state?
Not sure about choo choos, but NTSB Hazardous Materials procedure regarding other forms of transit strictly prohibit transporting hazmats & food stuffs together.
E.g. an aircraft container with hazwhompers inside must be segregated from other containers with haz goods and/or food products.
Now I would assume rail shipment is no different. So either it's non food stuff grains (bio fuel silage) or this is yet another small piece of the puzzle of "protocol ignored or fucked up" relating to this train incident.
Absolutely. My point was, since we know it was a grain car that was on fire/damaged, maybe we can find out who that specific car belonged to. In all the pictures I saw of the wreckage, I didn't see a grain car. So, there couldn't have been many, right?
Another point.... They said they didn't get an alert until later, and that is when they tried to stop the train. So, was this car basically a fuse? Should the problem have shown up sooner if it was a train car problem? Something really fishy about this car, but maybe I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist. :o)
The fact that the hotbox checks were so far apart is what’s odd. Or is that a lie? According from what I read, they are supposed to be a few miles apart, always. Just another “infrastructure” problem? Foul play? Stupid people behind the wheel or in charge? So many ways to go.
I just wonder why no serious responses from like FEMA or anything of the kind present. That doesn’t seem normal at all.
Dunno much about trains, but it's very common for semi trailer's brakes to catch fire and eventually light up their load, drivers will drive for quite awhile without knowing and by the time they find out it's too late. 20 miles seems excessive, but I've seen long trains where it's not impossible for the conductor to see what's going on and I have no idea how much actual electronics are involved to know if they have features that would identify if the cart's brakes are overheating. We've had trains decouple and run off the tracks multiple times where I'm at.
I know about brake fires from working in the towing industry. One of the worst ones we had to do was about 5 years ago, truck hauling egg goods (egg whites, eggs, and other egg related products), that shit haunted our yard long after it left. We don't deal with hazmat though, have to get government involved if something requiring that appears.
Flagged down a truck on the interstate two weeks ago for exactly this. He had just left a gas station. Brakes on his trailer were locked up and it was starting to catch fire.
I have no idea how much actual electronics are involved to know if they have features that would identify if the cart's brakes are overheating
I haven't read too much into this incident tbh, but I seem to remember this being a failed gearbox and not a brake issue. The end result can be the same, the wheels lock and drag along the steel rail, heating the wheels and anything nearby. Working in passenger rail I can tell you this will happen very fast.
Doesnt that video look suspicious to anyone? Three spots burning all flaring in unison? And why did this news take a week to come out? Wouldnt there have been tons of phone calls to 911 to warn of a train burning as its rolling down the tracks? Is there eye witness accounts of the flames or do we only know because of this security footage? Am I wrong to be this suspicious?
NEW - Federal lawsuit has been launched in the wake of the fiery derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals along the Ohio-Pennsylvania line last week.
The town of Lytton BC was burned to the ground in 2021 by a train derailing. Canadian doctor who lived there was warning people about blood clots in vaxxed patients. His practice burned up.
You mean a conductor asleep in the caboose while bearings fail and trains derail?
Trains used to derail far more frequently before electronic defect detectors were introduced and humans who were supposed to do the job got replaced.
The engineer can ignore a conductor easier than he can a defect detector, those devices's data is sent to dispatching centers and will be part of any investigation and/or lawsuit.
Your vision sounds like a jobs program today. Guarantee few if any people take the job seriously and instead spend it on their phone. What’s the pay rate for people who don’t see home every night? Why is a CCD camera bad again?
“Get rid of traffic lights and hire crossing guards because technology bad!”
Where did he mention cameras? Are you suggesting the Conductor should have a monitor to a camera in the back? Or is that what they already do? Hopefully the conductor is taking his job seriously, which is to focus on "Driving" the train...which is all he should have to do.
And he's already under the impression that he doesn't have to Focus on the cargo a mile behind him combusting into flames for no apparent reason, because of the Technology.....
That being said, we all know this wasn't a random failure of technology... and that the only technology they rely on is a censor they pass over. every 20 miles or whatever. There was most likely a multitude of technological failures that would have to happen simultaneously for this to happen.
So I agree with you that adding cabooses again solely to prevent things like this from happening, isn't practical...Because it wouldn't have prevented this... because this was deliberate. The People in the Caboose would be in on it, and frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the people conducting this train this time, were in on it.
But you just sound like you work for BIG LOCOMOTIVE or something. lol.
But your Comparison to Street lights is retarded.
That's all, Carry on.
I at least know a train conductor doesn’t work on the actual train. That’s the engineer you fucking retard. A conductor works via radio. Your blaming the wrong person retard. Super low IQ? Must be big locomotive since my work brain is better than the local negro. Good job dipshit.
Yes. I have a super low IQ. Sorry.
Cabooses were replaced with a FRED.
Flashing Rear End Device
I think Jussie's Wallet, Adam Scitferbrains, Paul Pelosi and Eric Swallowell all have those
And a lot of the railroads are trying to get rid of conductors and just have the engineer alone working the train
one of the other threads said that the train operators called in a "hotbox" on fire, and that it's common that occurs and routine to push on with this condition.
Unfortunately fairly common. Maintenance being what it is, they just say "false reading," and push on. It's just like you ignoring your Check Engine light because you think you know it's a malfunctioning sensor, and your car's still running and rolling along.
Poor analogy. The Check Engine light is only related to emissions. Nothing else. It's perfectly fine, mechanically speaking, to drive with the CEL on.
You just made the mistake yourself.
Some older vehicles would illuminate the MIL when there was a failure in the ABS system - more common pre-OBD-II.
However, let's stick with emissions. Perfectly fine, if one of those emissions sensors fails?
If one of the intake air (volume - MAF, pressure - MAP, temperature - IAT) sensors are failing, they can deliver the wrong info the computer. Your car can stall while you're driving as a result of too little or too much fuel.
A failing oxygen sensor causes driving issues. Slam on the gas to merge in with one failing, and the engine may fall on it's face.
Timing faults can trigger an MIL. Again, the vehicle can stall with the vehicle in motion.
Yep, only related to emissions, but far from "perfectly fine."
I've driven three different vehicles with the CEL on, which the shop couldn't diagnose or correct ("maybe it's this, maybe it's that, we ain't real sure, but pay us a couple grand anyway"), for thousands of miles without any of the events you described ever happening.
But you do you, homey.
Plus, it can take miles to stop a fully loaded freight train depending on the speed of travel/total load weight.
Sure, but just not TWENTY -- unless it was all downhill, which I tend to doubt is possible in Ohio. Anyone know of a 15-mile railroad downslope in the state?
Yes. You are correct.
Just like when you are manning the RADAR station in Hawaii as tensions rise with Japan in 1941.
standard operating procedure. - Chief Conductor Homer J Simpson.
Just normal procedure according to one of our anons who lives there.
World war 3 is fun so far
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the car that's on fire a grain car?
Not sure about choo choos, but NTSB Hazardous Materials procedure regarding other forms of transit strictly prohibit transporting hazmats & food stuffs together.
E.g. an aircraft container with hazwhompers inside must be segregated from other containers with haz goods and/or food products.
Now I would assume rail shipment is no different. So either it's non food stuff grains (bio fuel silage) or this is yet another small piece of the puzzle of "protocol ignored or fucked up" relating to this train incident.
It seemed out of place, to me. Now I don't know all the laws regarding shipping by train, but it just stood out to me, you know?
It could well be. But if it was a car on the same train as the vinyl chloride, that car could have caused or contributed to the derailment, right?
Absolutely. My point was, since we know it was a grain car that was on fire/damaged, maybe we can find out who that specific car belonged to. In all the pictures I saw of the wreckage, I didn't see a grain car. So, there couldn't have been many, right?
Ah, now I’m following! That’s a very good point!
Another point.... They said they didn't get an alert until later, and that is when they tried to stop the train. So, was this car basically a fuse? Should the problem have shown up sooner if it was a train car problem? Something really fishy about this car, but maybe I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist. :o)
Definitely a CSX or DM&E Triple bay Covered Hopper car. Good Eye.
Not grain tho, coal, gravel, ore.
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The fact that the hotbox checks were so far apart is what’s odd. Or is that a lie? According from what I read, they are supposed to be a few miles apart, always. Just another “infrastructure” problem? Foul play? Stupid people behind the wheel or in charge? So many ways to go.
I just wonder why no serious responses from like FEMA or anything of the kind present. That doesn’t seem normal at all.
Dunno much about trains, but it's very common for semi trailer's brakes to catch fire and eventually light up their load, drivers will drive for quite awhile without knowing and by the time they find out it's too late. 20 miles seems excessive, but I've seen long trains where it's not impossible for the conductor to see what's going on and I have no idea how much actual electronics are involved to know if they have features that would identify if the cart's brakes are overheating. We've had trains decouple and run off the tracks multiple times where I'm at.
I know about brake fires from working in the towing industry. One of the worst ones we had to do was about 5 years ago, truck hauling egg goods (egg whites, eggs, and other egg related products), that shit haunted our yard long after it left. We don't deal with hazmat though, have to get government involved if something requiring that appears.
Flagged down a truck on the interstate two weeks ago for exactly this. He had just left a gas station. Brakes on his trailer were locked up and it was starting to catch fire.
I haven't read too much into this incident tbh, but I seem to remember this being a failed gearbox and not a brake issue. The end result can be the same, the wheels lock and drag along the steel rail, heating the wheels and anything nearby. Working in passenger rail I can tell you this will happen very fast.
Doesnt that video look suspicious to anyone? Three spots burning all flaring in unison? And why did this news take a week to come out? Wouldnt there have been tons of phone calls to 911 to warn of a train burning as its rolling down the tracks? Is there eye witness accounts of the flames or do we only know because of this security footage? Am I wrong to be this suspicious?
NEW - Federal lawsuit has been launched in the wake of the fiery derailment of a train carrying toxic chemicals along the Ohio-Pennsylvania line last week.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/13/toxic-ohio-train-derailment-sparks-federal-lawsuit-calls-for-health-tests/
The plot thickens.
I don't really trust the media anymore. Are there any eyewitness at the time to the trains going on fire? Or are we just seeing videos after the fact?
I do not trust the government either
The town of Lytton BC was burned to the ground in 2021 by a train derailing. Canadian doctor who lived there was warning people about blood clots in vaxxed patients. His practice burned up.
Watch the water??
This is interesting
East Palestine Update: Evacuation Area Extended, Controlled Release of Rail Car Contents Planned for 3:30 p.m. | Governor Mike DeWine https://governor.ohio.gov/media/news-and-media/east-palestine-update-evacuation-area-extended-controlled-release-of-rail-car-contents-planned-for-3-30-pm-02062023
Why is the DoD at a train derailment and chemical spill? And wasn't the National Guard federalized?
This is a coordinated terrorist attack on the Amish nearby, conservatives nearby, and the entire New England in the smoke field.
I knew it. They want to kill conservatives and Amish people.
What is a hotbox checker?