The politicians and government employees who allowed and/or facilitated this invasion are also criminals. We are supposed to be a nation of laws voted for by the people's elected representatives, who are then supposed to follow the law or work to change it. Getting elected doesn't give you dictatorial powers, though it has meant that in recent years.
Karoline " Love it " because I have a feeling we will be saying " Love it " with most of her words. Straight shooter and hopefully has some chesticles too, because the monkeys will do their best to bring out her worst, and they need to be put and kept in line.
I love hearing Democrats shriek and moan and scream over a legitimate Press Sec rewarding actual journalism. The more these people scream and lash out at MAGA victory, the worse they become and feel. 🥰 What a wonderful term this is becoming!
Well no. A criminal record is just that. A record. A record of someone being charged and convicted of a crime in a court of law.
Doing something illegal doesn't mean someone has a criminal record. If so, we would all have criminal records, because there is not one person here who has never committed a crime. Speeding is a crime. Jay walking is a crime in some places.
This is not the "gotcha" people think it is. And it's kind of embarrassing that people don't know that a criminal record is more than just someone breaking a law.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Doesn’t require a court.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.
Well ok then. You agree. Criminals with a record. See, easy. Press Secretary was spot on. And the reporter with his loaded question of trying to legalize them, failed. As does anyone trying to justify an illegal citizen anything other than a criminal. And I’m sure some are good people. But sneaking into my house window isn’t how someone enters my home. Hopefully lessons being learned.
Again, I'm not arguing that they aren't criminals. They are but criminal =/= criminal record.
Yes, the media was trying to give the impression that all illegal aliens aren't dangerous criminals, which is what people tend to think of when they hear the term criminal record.
But, and here's the thing, not every illegal alien has a criminal record, which is obvious. Its a simple fact.
The problem is that the Press Secretary either a) was knowingly lying by saying all of them did or b) was displaying her ignorance over what the term criminal record means.
There it is. That's the issue. Either way, her comments aren't going to go over well with anyone other than the high-fiving nut flexers I referred to in an earlier comment.
Do you see anyone changing their opinion on the issue because of what she said? Truly? I don't.
Do you see people using what she said to paint the Trump Administration as ignorant and/or disingenuous? I do.
But hell, maybe it will distract people from noticing that grown ass patriots don't know how a bill is passed into a law and are apparently going to skip paying their income tax this year because they think introducing a bill is the same as a law being passed and immediately implemented.
I don't know why I even bother anymore. I truly don't. I'm this close 🤏 to just deciding each side is full of fucking retards and just ignoring politics all together. Just let you all stomp on the gas when you're driving straight towards a brick wall instead of trying to get you to at least ease up on the gas.
It’s probably more of a term “criminal record” and what it means to which grp. Technically illegals all have a record, as soon as they are caught. If caught. Due process won’t be a thing of course. But, former administrations, gave illegals rights. And some were given due process and not charged. Not their fault, the systems fault. In reality they are criminals, and when caught, recorded. It just the reporter is ignorant of these facts. Mostly due to previous corrupt administrations.
Yea I understand your last paragraph. I’ve felt this way before. And to be honest, I get onto myself for “caring” more than I should about worldly things. Better I should be trying to help people find Jesus than explain Trumps motives. That’s my fault. Something I should be doing much better. Good conversation friend. Take care. ❤️
In most countries, a criminal record is limited to unexpunged and unexpired actual convictions (where the individual has pleaded guilty or been found guilty by a qualified court, resulting in the entry of a conviction), while in some it can also include arrests, charges dismissed, charges pending and charges of which the individual has been acquitted.
I don't care enough to lookup if the US is one of said countries, but this at least puts fourth a common understanding of what "criminal record" means.
Yes. Thank you. It points out that a person has to have at least some sort of official interaction with the legal system in order to be considered to have a criminal record. Yet again, that whole definition of the word "record".
Just because a person is an illegal alien and is here illegally doesn't mean they've ever been looked at sideways by anyone in law enforcement, much less arrested or charged with anything.
Technically, that's correct. But Karoline is right that they're all criminals, which is the more relevant point. If you're a murderer who has been allowed to get away with murder or who hasn't been caught yet, you're still a murderer. Whether or not you have a criminal record is immaterial in terms of whether you're a danger to society.
The media is trying to focus on the technicality to make it seem like Trump is going after innocents. Karoline put the focus back on the more relevant fact that everyone who came here illegally is breaking our laws.
I agree they're criminals. I don't have any issue in deporting them. I couldn't care less if they were all dropped into the Grand Canyon, never to be heard from again.
I'm saying that there is a difference between engaging in criminal activities and having a criminal record. A criminal record is a very specific thing, and when talking about that in any relation to law enforcement, like deportation, specifics matter.
It seems like people are simply more interested in flexing nuts and posturing in front of the media than they are in addressing the facts of the case.
Because while most people here are snickering and high-fiving each other on "owning da libs" or whatever, the rest of the nation and world looked at that and came to the conclusion that the Trump Administration either a) doesn't understand the difference between two very simple legal terms (scary, considering how powerful we are as a nation) or b) doesn't care what the difference is (perhaps even more concerning).
And of course, this being the public face of Q, which has gained all sorts of recent attention with Trump's second term, we have no telling how many people coming here to check us out, and we have Anons who feel like doubling down on ignorant arguments like the one above.
I don't know what the hell has happened in the last week or so, but it's like there's a very serious case of retardation going on.
I'm in the middle of some other conversations where people are asking if they should pay their income taxes in a few months because they saw where the House introduced some bill about income tax (apparently they think introducing a bill is the same as passing a law and that the new law will take effect in a few months time) and another conversation where someone seems to think other countries will pay tariffs to our government if we don't import as many goods from them as we used to.
Honestly, there's a severe case of The Stupids going around.
"I'm saying that there is a difference between engaging in criminal
activities and having a criminal record."
I already acknowledged your point in my post, so I'm not sure why you responded as though I hadn't.
The media's goal is to portray all illegal aliens as innocent victims of the big, bad Trump administration. Karoline's response put the focus back on the fact that all illegals are criminals. To have been technically perfect, she could have said, "What's more relevant is that all illegal aliens are criminals who have broken our immigration laws." But I think most reasonable people knew what she was saying, and informed people knew why.
What part of illegal isn’t illegal?
Which is why I talk shit about normies so much and do not care for the excuses of their behavior.
Indeed, certainly the normies here in the Peoples Republic (and sanctuary counties!) of Northern Virginia.
Those sitting in that room are not normies, they are professional propagandists.
Definitely and they hate United States.
the part after the "IL".
it is for reference only in this case.
The legal part? 😑
Yeee Haaa!!! Karoline's not putting up with their smug, gotcha b.s..
Sheesh, MSM Whores are so dumb.
It’s calculated dumbness.
Definitely. But I think there are a few useful idiot True Believers in that whoring lot.
Willing ignorance.
Love this!
Scored a scalp on her first day ! I doubt GEOTUS is proud.
bringing the fire....SWEET KAROLINE
BOM BOM BOM!
Edit: Or however you spell that lyric.
Edit 2: Fixed maybe?
One of many excellent moments.
Why didn't she refer to her big book of answers like jen blackie
The politicians and government employees who allowed and/or facilitated this invasion are also criminals. We are supposed to be a nation of laws voted for by the people's elected representatives, who are then supposed to follow the law or work to change it. Getting elected doesn't give you dictatorial powers, though it has meant that in recent years.
How did the libtards in the legacy media react to this?
With big tarded reee
u/#peperee
You know what's funny to me?
Application of rules and laws, when they've previously been ignored, are viewed by people as overreach.
"whaaaaas! You can't do that!"
Um, but only can we. We will. And technically we should have been all along.
It reminds me of kids bouncing between divorced patents.
"but daaaaad! Mom and Sancho let us stay up as late D we want on a school night!"
Sorry sweetie, you're at my house now.
But, but, but, but..... lol.
Karoline Leavitt did an excellent job!
Hit it out if the park on Day 1. Well done. Keep up the good work.
Based.
Karoline " Love it " because I have a feeling we will be saying " Love it " with most of her words. Straight shooter and hopefully has some chesticles too, because the monkeys will do their best to bring out her worst, and they need to be put and kept in line.
Yes, absolutely correct!
Mic drop, love it. Also like the gold cross.
I love hearing Democrats shriek and moan and scream over a legitimate Press Sec rewarding actual journalism. The more these people scream and lash out at MAGA victory, the worse they become and feel. 🥰 What a wonderful term this is becoming!
".....in the country illegally". She should have had that eejit repeat that part as many times as it took for it to sink in.
Illegal = criminality
Well no. A criminal record is just that. A record. A record of someone being charged and convicted of a crime in a court of law.
Doing something illegal doesn't mean someone has a criminal record. If so, we would all have criminal records, because there is not one person here who has never committed a crime. Speeding is a crime. Jay walking is a crime in some places.
This is not the "gotcha" people think it is. And it's kind of embarrassing that people don't know that a criminal record is more than just someone breaking a law.
You're confusing common laws vs federal. How many years have you spent in prison vs how much was your ticket/court cost. Sneaking into a country, esp America, is not the same as jay walking. That’s breaking federal laws. And you don’t have to be convicted. If your an illegal, that’s being convicted. Doesn’t require a court.
100%
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean state laws vs federal? Because I think traffic laws are under state laws. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because the terms "criminal record" and "illegal act" don't change depending on if they fall under being a federal crime or a state crime.
I don't think you understood my point in regards to the speeding and jaywalking examples. My point was virtually everyone here has done something illegal at least once in their life, yet everyone does not have a criminal record. That's because not everyone is caught doing whatever illegal thing it is they're doing, and even if they're caught it does not mean they automatically charged with a crime and then found guilty in order to have a criminal record. Because, yet again, a criminal record does not mean the same as doing something illegal.
I honestly can't believe I have to explain this.
I'm not saying all crimes are equal.
I'm saying that the term "criminal record" means something more than just doing something illegal.
I don't think you understand what the word "convicted" means, either.
That doesn't make any sense.
I think you're confusing "guilty" with "convicted". Someone can be guilty of a crime without being convicted of it. Conversely, someone can be convicted of a crime without being guilty of it. For instance, President Trump may have been convicted of sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean he was guilty of it.
Well, if it's talking about a criminal record, then yes, it does require a court. Because courts of law are where people are found guilty of crimes and where those crimes are recorded. As in a a record of a criminal activity. As in a criminal record. See, that's where it gets the name. Did you never make that association before?
No matter how you spin it, words have definitions for a reason. If we all just made up our own definitions for things, the world would devolve into chaos.
You’re overthinking this like crazy. It’s simple. I’m trying to dumb this down for you and I’m having problems doing so. Ok….umm , if I snuck into Russia tomorrow, then got caught by their forces of anti illegal immigration, am I innocent, by law..their law, and therefore cannot be guilty of anything…..you see this? Do you understand? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL CITIZENS. Once again you are confusing the situation. Citizens cannot be guilty of being illegal citizens. In Russia, I’m guilty. It’s not a civil issue, it’s federal. No courts. No jury. Guilty. I’m guilty as soon as I snuck through the window. No due process of the justice system, I’m not a citizen. If I broke into your home, got caught, I go to court, guilty, punishment, etc. A ILLEGAL doesn’t get this same treatment. Why would they? They are not citizens. I explained in my other post by different levels of justice, civil, federal, etc. But the reason why a illegal is a criminal, with now a record, is because they are ILLEGALLY here, and now we document them(record them) and send them packing. Which gives a record.
And even worse is what we have. Illegals with a criminal record, which shouldn’t even be a real thing. But it is. That’s how bad our situation is. Our justice system process then as citizens. They killed and raped, processed like they lived here. Most countries wouldn’t even have to follow their own laws and could bury them out back. Our illegals are getting fair treatment and being delivered still breathing. For now. Many won’t go that easy because our corrupt system protected them. Which is against the laws of this land.
Hope this helps.
No, I'm really not. It's simply understanding very simple concepts, such as words having meaning.
What's going on here is people wanting to just ignore facts in favor of their feelings.
You don't even realize you're making my point for me.
Maybe if you got a pencil, and a piece of paper, and wrote down all the key words and phrases, and looked up the definition of each of them and made a Venn Diagram based on those definitions, you might begin to understand. (Spoiler: sometimes the circles don't overlap).Or maybe not. I fear you're a lost cause.
Well ok then. You agree. Criminals with a record. See, easy. Press Secretary was spot on. And the reporter with his loaded question of trying to legalize them, failed. As does anyone trying to justify an illegal citizen anything other than a criminal. And I’m sure some are good people. But sneaking into my house window isn’t how someone enters my home. Hopefully lessons being learned.
Again, I'm not arguing that they aren't criminals. They are but criminal =/= criminal record.
Yes, the media was trying to give the impression that all illegal aliens aren't dangerous criminals, which is what people tend to think of when they hear the term criminal record.
But, and here's the thing, not every illegal alien has a criminal record, which is obvious. Its a simple fact.
The problem is that the Press Secretary either a) was knowingly lying by saying all of them did or b) was displaying her ignorance over what the term criminal record means.
There it is. That's the issue. Either way, her comments aren't going to go over well with anyone other than the high-fiving nut flexers I referred to in an earlier comment.
Do you see anyone changing their opinion on the issue because of what she said? Truly? I don't.
Do you see people using what she said to paint the Trump Administration as ignorant and/or disingenuous? I do.
But hell, maybe it will distract people from noticing that grown ass patriots don't know how a bill is passed into a law and are apparently going to skip paying their income tax this year because they think introducing a bill is the same as a law being passed and immediately implemented.
I don't know why I even bother anymore. I truly don't. I'm this close 🤏 to just deciding each side is full of fucking retards and just ignoring politics all together. Just let you all stomp on the gas when you're driving straight towards a brick wall instead of trying to get you to at least ease up on the gas.
It’s probably more of a term “criminal record” and what it means to which grp. Technically illegals all have a record, as soon as they are caught. If caught. Due process won’t be a thing of course. But, former administrations, gave illegals rights. And some were given due process and not charged. Not their fault, the systems fault. In reality they are criminals, and when caught, recorded. It just the reporter is ignorant of these facts. Mostly due to previous corrupt administrations.
Yea I understand your last paragraph. I’ve felt this way before. And to be honest, I get onto myself for “caring” more than I should about worldly things. Better I should be trying to help people find Jesus than explain Trumps motives. That’s my fault. Something I should be doing much better. Good conversation friend. Take care. ❤️
Unless this definition is just plain wrong: Criminal Record
I don't care enough to lookup if the US is one of said countries, but this at least puts fourth a common understanding of what "criminal record" means.
Yes. Thank you. It points out that a person has to have at least some sort of official interaction with the legal system in order to be considered to have a criminal record. Yet again, that whole definition of the word "record".
Just because a person is an illegal alien and is here illegally doesn't mean they've ever been looked at sideways by anyone in law enforcement, much less arrested or charged with anything.
Glad we cleared that up.
Technically, that's correct. But Karoline is right that they're all criminals, which is the more relevant point. If you're a murderer who has been allowed to get away with murder or who hasn't been caught yet, you're still a murderer. Whether or not you have a criminal record is immaterial in terms of whether you're a danger to society.
The media is trying to focus on the technicality to make it seem like Trump is going after innocents. Karoline put the focus back on the more relevant fact that everyone who came here illegally is breaking our laws.
I agree they're criminals. I don't have any issue in deporting them. I couldn't care less if they were all dropped into the Grand Canyon, never to be heard from again.
I'm saying that there is a difference between engaging in criminal activities and having a criminal record. A criminal record is a very specific thing, and when talking about that in any relation to law enforcement, like deportation, specifics matter.
It seems like people are simply more interested in flexing nuts and posturing in front of the media than they are in addressing the facts of the case.
Because while most people here are snickering and high-fiving each other on "owning da libs" or whatever, the rest of the nation and world looked at that and came to the conclusion that the Trump Administration either a) doesn't understand the difference between two very simple legal terms (scary, considering how powerful we are as a nation) or b) doesn't care what the difference is (perhaps even more concerning).
And of course, this being the public face of Q, which has gained all sorts of recent attention with Trump's second term, we have no telling how many people coming here to check us out, and we have Anons who feel like doubling down on ignorant arguments like the one above.
I don't know what the hell has happened in the last week or so, but it's like there's a very serious case of retardation going on.
I'm in the middle of some other conversations where people are asking if they should pay their income taxes in a few months because they saw where the House introduced some bill about income tax (apparently they think introducing a bill is the same as passing a law and that the new law will take effect in a few months time) and another conversation where someone seems to think other countries will pay tariffs to our government if we don't import as many goods from them as we used to.
Honestly, there's a severe case of The Stupids going around.
You’re a difficult man, u/BakasEverywhere… and that’s a good thing. Iron sharpens iron and I enjoy your posts.
Details matter. Keep hammering.
I already acknowledged your point in my post, so I'm not sure why you responded as though I hadn't.
The media's goal is to portray all illegal aliens as innocent victims of the big, bad Trump administration. Karoline's response put the focus back on the fact that all illegals are criminals. To have been technically perfect, she could have said, "What's more relevant is that all illegal aliens are criminals who have broken our immigration laws." But I think most reasonable people knew what she was saying, and informed people knew why.
BQQM!!!!