My dad is 87 and is a retired, accomplished, electrical engineer. To his credit he often states that when he was in college he could work over the summer (hard work) and earn enough money to pay for the next year's tuition. He'll point out that today's kids don't have that same chance because of all the corruption in education.
His generation also generally receives defined benefit pension plans. I remember about 10 years into my career the company brought in a heavy to freeze the pension plan and go to 401ks. I'm in accounting and saw the $3 million + credit the company booked to the P&L
When I hear conservative pundits rail on like the Tasmanian Devil from classic Looney Tunes as they "educate" today's "clueless" young people about the superiority of capitalism I think "you go skippy - that's sure to work well". Young people today are mostly experiencing crony corrupt corporatism, not free market capitalism.
Our side IMO needs to empathize a lot more with young people about how they are intentionally being screwed economically, intellectually, spiritually, etc.
I wonder sometimes what the goal is - "puff yourself up and look tough" or ACTUALLY make a difference. Youn people CAN be reached with the truth about the evils of socialism / communism, but we have to start by acknowledging their reality which is often more difficult than ours was.
Our side IMO needs to empathize a lot more with young people about how they are intentionally being screwed economically, intellectually, spiritually, etc.
Many flavors of Conservatism are probably the most resistant to change in this respect and unwilling to accept things have changed. In part because many of those most resistant.
Already made their wealth and money. Which leads to the mindset of ‘Fuck you brats. I got mine.’ Or alternatively you’ve got the people who desire to use things as they stand to fleece their neighbors and get ahead in life. Again the mindset of ‘Fuck you. I got mine’ predominates. Thusly while they may call out problems. They truly don’t want to change anything. Because they want to use the system to their own advantage. Even if things as they stand are broadly detrimental to everyone who isn’t them.
Conversely. You can actually see The reactionary right meaningfully growing in power and influence. Unlike the more mainstream/Libertarian end of the right who have the deepest obsession with Capitalism. As they largely don’t treat the markets with the same reverence and sacredness. And are more communal in acknowledging the individual is part of a community. Not just a solitary rock on his lonesome. Unlike other ideological right-wing positions which tend to treat the individual as supreme and that everything else must bend to serve the individual.
Yes. These TradCon women walking around with giant crosses in their necklace. I have no issue with Christians. But Jesus did speak about those who profess the most in their garments and so on are the biggest hypocrites.
They display their so called faith but have no works behind them. They don’t care about the lepers and the poor of today. I don’t want to see a 10 in cross around your neck and your Prada bag as they get into their Land Rover and go to brunch.
Princesses Diana was a perfect example of true Christian power from an upper class. Amazing woman. They made an example of her.
Not to mention tradcon women are just making all their money off of social media and product marketing, not off of some new commitment to simple living. They either film videos in their new 3 story house, or on their 10 acre farm that they pretend to maintain in perfect clothes, all bought with influencer money and sales from their skincare line.
It's like let them eat cake, but first buy my cookbook about how I make my own from scratch and I'm better than you, peasant.
Amen. It’s exhausting seeing people busting their butt to shave a nickel off someone else’s wages.
Leviticus 19:13 - "'You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.
James 5:4 - Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you have kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of those who reaped have entered into the ears of the Lord of Hosts.
I see this out of both sides all the time. Liberals complain about the minimum wage, but won’t tip workers to the point they suggest, and don’t want to pay the costs or do the work necessary to actually fix the issue. Conservatives will get overly spendthrift.
It’s likely many people are mindful of these issues sometimes, and not so much in others.
No idea how good or bad I am at this issue myself, just hopefully not terrible in it.
Absolutely! The illusion of free market capitalism is what we are seeing. We will never be free while a federal income tax exists, along with all the other corporate bylaw that pretends to be "lawful."
Precisely, my dad said he made $5 an hour at his first real job. Asked him how much 1 ounce of gold cost... it was $40. Told him to find me an entry level position that pays $15,000 a week today and he can continue lecturing about my generation being unmotivated despite having the same opportunity he had.
$5 an hour, at the last time gold was around $40 an ounce, would mean your dad was making the equivalent of $40 an hour today, which is crazy for a first real job.
In thr early seventies gold was forty dollars an ounce and my dad made $40 a day. At the time of our conversation gold was ar $1,400 an ounce. Told him to find me an entry level position making $1,400 a day or he can't say I have the same opportunity he did.
Ron Paul said similar. He worked as a waiter in the summers and paid room board books and tuition for Duke medical with his tips. Unreal. Someone said basic wages should be about 150 an hour.
They calculated what. Person in the 1950s could pay for with a high school education and the income needed today to have the same opportunity. Central banking is theft by currency debasement. A silent killer.
You hit the nail so hard on the head it drove through the entire wall. Our younger generation is getting screwed with cost of living and housing prices skyrocketing, but wages stagnating. Companies are demanding more effort and hours, but wages are only enough to barely scrape by. I 100% agreed woth you, we should NOT want conserve this corrupt crony system. We are living under the sustem of the cabal, and Q said it was designed to enslave us under financial pressure and stress. We need to replace it with something that frees people and brings prosperity, and not just for us, but all nations and all people's across the world. I do not want the western world to be the only propesperous nations. I want all people to be free from the hands of the cabal system.
Young people in America and other western countries have never been part of a government that isn't corrupt or works for them . If you take a 40,000 ft look , our government works against us in the form of regulations and taxation
The percentage of small business in 1900-2020 is rapidly declining. 2020 was the kill shot. And they never got remediation for the busted economy. As usual the Fed opened credit facilities for Fortune 500 and gave the rabble inflation. This was a massive crime and it’s evil.
I believe POTUS is in the process of rectifying this . Maybe a reset of some kind and putting us back on the gold standard with blockchain to protect our currency
I have been thinking about this for a while and came across a guy who thinks the same thing.
Also in the video, he says this.
If you can’t afford to buy your own place and settle down, you are stuck in a permanent adolescent limbo in which making the right decisions no longer makes sense.
This really clicked.
Edit: Forgot to summon u/QDay who might like this post and comment based on one of their recent posts.
I don’t think many young people are willing to make the financial sacrifices required to buy a house. To get our first house we sold newer cars and bought old. Stopped spending except for bare essentials and paid off all debts. Saved every penny, didn’t go out to dinner. Nothing. It took over a year in our case, mostly because we didn’t start buried in credit card debt. Most young people today live for the moment, buy expensive cars, spend every penny and live on credit. Way above their means.
They can't afford nice homes anyway, even if they avoid the fancy car. Then the homes they can afford are small townhomes with no resale value in areas they don't want to stay in, because they don't know if they'll have to move for work in a few years. When you take away the ability to afford a nice single family home, and ability to know if you'll be able to stay there, why strive for one?
What's wrong with getting a nice car in the meantime? Why do we have to denigrate anything nice in their lives while they're struggling, and then just tell them to buck up or move? I know plenty of older folks who are struggling with saving enough for retirement so I don't see a huge generational difference.
We can't deny that economics has gotten worse and worse for the middle class since the 80s and postwar America. This is what Trump ran and won on. It's Make America Great Again, not America Is Great But You're Just Lazy
Most boomer take I have ever seen. You all let in millions of brown people and did nothing. Did nothing while H1-B’s taking jobs from young American college grads.
I voted Trump 3x lol. 18-35 year old men were one of the largest demographics for Trump last election. Just if you are gonna generalize young people I am gonna generalize boomers.
Gen Z and Zillenial men are far right. Trump is actually a disappointment in many ways for what we want. Yeah we have some clowns but cost of living is out of control. I really only spend my money on food, gas, rent, a couple of subscriptions and I still am one car accident away from getting buried financially.
And all we see is older people shitting on us while brown people keep coming and taking over this country with no end in site. We could care less about the GDP and Stock market when housing is unaffordable and Pajeets, Muslims and illegals are everywhere
Lol, you guys are just arguing in cross-purposes. Bit of a useless exchange. Listen to each other, you might learn something. (kek, I'll wait for the down votes. Thanks.)
I think that u/AnonDan has missed / can't see the point of the first comment, but he's also not exactly wrong, either. Culture today is structured to push young people in the direction of instant gratification. That's just a fact.
But the issue isn't simply black or white. There are multiple factors affecting the situation that young(er) people find themselves in today. Not being willing to sacrifice might be true for some, but certainly not for all. Meanwhile, as the OP is saying, you have an economic system that is totally stacked against them.
But I mean, u/pnwhomebrewer 's "most boomer take I have ever seen" is definitely a slur, and nothing else. And then blanket blaming 'you' and making it completely personal.... sheeesh. Dan rises to the jab, and comes out with "Unlike you I didn't vote for Joe Biden".... One of the kekiest slams I've ever seen... ( to paraphrase from brewer) but totally just reactive and uncalled for.
As for u/SorosOrMuskPickOne, Dan is clearly saying 'we' in the context of him and his significant other, not 'we' as in 'we boomers' or 'our generation'.
So far, I'm yet to find anything in this exchange that actually constructively discusses the issue. You're all acting like kindergarten frogs. (Note: this comment does not necessarily reflect the views of the moderators. /s)
Keep you jabs for the woke lefties on X, peeps. Maybe try to be a little constructive here?
(Addendum: apologies for the comment, but I haven't filled my downvoted quota for the day.)
Ok, I'll accept that when he said we that he meant no one in his generation and just himself and one other person in his family. u/AnonDan you good with that?
What u/AnonDan said is true. It is necessary to do similar to buy any significant asset relevant to income, and income is crap right now, and saving money for a lot of them can be nigh impossible due to inflation. Pretty much have to cut spending to the bone and live way below means to grab assets right now.
“Pretty much have to cut spending to the bone and live way below means to grab assets right now”
Which is what we did back then. Actually we have lived below all of our marriage. And still do in retirement. I’ve seen younger people driving cars twice the cost of mine pull into an apartment complex. They choose to spend for today and not save for tomorrow.
I've been tuning in a bit to Triggernometry recently. Some interesting thoughts. Worth a listen. Viewpoint on numerous current 'controversies' contrastive and worth thinking about, imo.
ps. Nice post, OP. Certainly got the grits going. Well done.
Back in my days I could get a job working at the Movie Theater, Fast Food joint or some grocery story with no problem while I was still in HS, which set my work ethic. That ain’t a possibility today with these opportunities all gone to illegals and/or turned into some permanent job career.
They can still find work at Trader Joe's, Starbucks, In and Out Burger, etc. My 19 year old started at Starbucks at 16. Another young lady (20 years old) started at Trader Joe's at 17. A young man I know who is a senior in high school has worked at In and Out Burger for 2 years. They just have to look at companies who don't hire illegals and then do the work (show up for your shift; actually work while at work; etc.)
TBH. A massively bitter pill for many on the right to hear. But no less true. The status quo has failed the younger generations and things must change.
You want their support. Then you need to give them a tangible vision to believe in today. Rather than referencing an idealized past they are so far removed from. You might as well be telling them Arthurian Legends.
First time in human history where children and grandchildren are progressively doing worse than the older generations. And the solution is to stop buying Starbucks and avocado toast. Aka Super Boomer Jim Cramer.
Of course. The people who made their money. Don’t want to acknowledge it. So the reply with the platitudes and bootstraps rhetoric.
Part of the consumption they so criticize. Is being driven explicitly by the fact the Young don’t see a future worth living in. So why would the young bother saving and making the ‘Right Decisions’. Why not spend their money on luxuries to enjoy now. Not like they’ll get anything out of scrimping, saving, and living well below their means in the long run.
And statistically it’s unlikely well over half of young men will ever have a family to take care of. Let alone get married to begin with.
So that is also another reason why many simply don’t choose to make the conventional ‘correct decisions’. They’ve got no reason to.
Its all brainwash. Conservatives, liberals, communists, capitalists... Conservatives never willingly admit that they love socialism when it comes to police, fire dept, or military. They don't wish to address those items. Ask yourselves: "Why?"
This may be obvious, but our biggest enemy is corruption of our government and parties. It robs our people and leads to youth wanting change.
Many of our politicians are complicit, but a whole lot of others turn a blind eye. We need strong leaders that make it their top priority and are willing to fight it with everything at their disposal.
Greed doesn’t rest. We can never take a break from the fight.
Vote for those speaking out against it, if you can find them.
TBH this thread is the most massively positive one I've read in a while. Acknowledging this makes me 1000x more faithful in the plan than any thread about how Trump is going after Comey or that J6 is going to be exposed. Those are good, don't get me wrong, but I personally don't think real lasting change will come from either. The fact that more people are seeing this feels like we're seeing the forest 'for the trees and how we really win.
Conflation of the issues of government control within capitalism at its root is the fundamental flaw with socialism. With central banks, governments print money like an open faucet, crippling the spending powers of the common American. By moving the money away from fungible and fixed assets like gold/silver towards paper, the problem was exacerbated.
The capitalist system we enjoyed for almost 100 years thanks to jackson was crucified on jekyll island by wilson, and killed by nixon with the death of Breton Woods. The central banks of the world (mostly government controlled) used government to pervert capitalism, disguising their own socialism with it. They printed endless money until they couldn't anymore.
Yes, the system isn't benefiting the people anymore. The youth are seeing the effect of shit degrees and poor education systems, while the cabal continues treating the world as a piggy bank filled with slave labour. They convince these weak minded souls that they deserve a hand out, deserve free stuff, and should never work or suffer for what they want in life. They are fed a mind virus, and it has spread like the flu.
It is time to end that system of governance once and for all. I only hope by NYC seeing its effects, and understanding capital flight is a real thing, it will teach the city, state, and nation that real socialism has been tried and it always, always fails.
The real reason socialism is on the rise is because we have several decades of youth who were never taught the dangers of socialism and communism. On purpose.
I don't know that it was done on purpose in many cases. (some, definitely, but not all)
I taught at the college level for over 8 years so I have that experience.
IMO, the problem is that college professors live in an "ivory tower". There are really no market pressures on their employment/salary. (especially after they achieve tenure) They live in a "bubble" that is detached from the real world. I have a problem with one particular professor that relates to my profession. IMO, he lives in a bubble and is truly blind to what is going on in the real world. It is no so much arrogance or mission; it is ignorance.
This is a rabbit hole worth exploring. IMO, this is a structural problem within academia.
One of the main reasons in my opinion, is the reason they had a plan to replace american citizens was largely due to the fact that america qould become a lawless hellscape with roving gangs, drugs, sex and trafficking etc... it becomes far easier to take control of the nost powerful country on earth first on your way to taking over the qorld, and to take america you needed blue votera en masse but also the lawlessness as a cover for your own massive two faced corruption.
The irony is that if they took the time to actually get and stay engaged in our society, there wouldn't be a need for socialism, communism, or fascism. Or even Islam, for that matter.
My dad is 87 and is a retired, accomplished, electrical engineer. To his credit he often states that when he was in college he could work over the summer (hard work) and earn enough money to pay for the next year's tuition. He'll point out that today's kids don't have that same chance because of all the corruption in education.
His generation also generally receives defined benefit pension plans. I remember about 10 years into my career the company brought in a heavy to freeze the pension plan and go to 401ks. I'm in accounting and saw the $3 million + credit the company booked to the P&L
When I hear conservative pundits rail on like the Tasmanian Devil from classic Looney Tunes as they "educate" today's "clueless" young people about the superiority of capitalism I think "you go skippy - that's sure to work well". Young people today are mostly experiencing crony corrupt corporatism, not free market capitalism.
Our side IMO needs to empathize a lot more with young people about how they are intentionally being screwed economically, intellectually, spiritually, etc.
I wonder sometimes what the goal is - "puff yourself up and look tough" or ACTUALLY make a difference. Youn people CAN be reached with the truth about the evils of socialism / communism, but we have to start by acknowledging their reality which is often more difficult than ours was.
Many flavors of Conservatism are probably the most resistant to change in this respect and unwilling to accept things have changed. In part because many of those most resistant.
Already made their wealth and money. Which leads to the mindset of ‘Fuck you brats. I got mine.’ Or alternatively you’ve got the people who desire to use things as they stand to fleece their neighbors and get ahead in life. Again the mindset of ‘Fuck you. I got mine’ predominates. Thusly while they may call out problems. They truly don’t want to change anything. Because they want to use the system to their own advantage. Even if things as they stand are broadly detrimental to everyone who isn’t them.
Conversely. You can actually see The reactionary right meaningfully growing in power and influence. Unlike the more mainstream/Libertarian end of the right who have the deepest obsession with Capitalism. As they largely don’t treat the markets with the same reverence and sacredness. And are more communal in acknowledging the individual is part of a community. Not just a solitary rock on his lonesome. Unlike other ideological right-wing positions which tend to treat the individual as supreme and that everything else must bend to serve the individual.
Yes. These TradCon women walking around with giant crosses in their necklace. I have no issue with Christians. But Jesus did speak about those who profess the most in their garments and so on are the biggest hypocrites.
They display their so called faith but have no works behind them. They don’t care about the lepers and the poor of today. I don’t want to see a 10 in cross around your neck and your Prada bag as they get into their Land Rover and go to brunch.
Princesses Diana was a perfect example of true Christian power from an upper class. Amazing woman. They made an example of her.
Not to mention tradcon women are just making all their money off of social media and product marketing, not off of some new commitment to simple living. They either film videos in their new 3 story house, or on their 10 acre farm that they pretend to maintain in perfect clothes, all bought with influencer money and sales from their skincare line.
It's like let them eat cake, but first buy my cookbook about how I make my own from scratch and I'm better than you, peasant.
And funded by their husbands trust fund.
Amen. It’s exhausting seeing people busting their butt to shave a nickel off someone else’s wages.
Leviticus 19:13 - "'You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.
James 5:4 - Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you have kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of those who reaped have entered into the ears of the Lord of Hosts.
I see this out of both sides all the time. Liberals complain about the minimum wage, but won’t tip workers to the point they suggest, and don’t want to pay the costs or do the work necessary to actually fix the issue. Conservatives will get overly spendthrift.
It’s likely many people are mindful of these issues sometimes, and not so much in others.
No idea how good or bad I am at this issue myself, just hopefully not terrible in it.
Absolutely! The illusion of free market capitalism is what we are seeing. We will never be free while a federal income tax exists, along with all the other corporate bylaw that pretends to be "lawful."
Precisely, my dad said he made $5 an hour at his first real job. Asked him how much 1 ounce of gold cost... it was $40. Told him to find me an entry level position that pays $15,000 a week today and he can continue lecturing about my generation being unmotivated despite having the same opportunity he had.
$5 an hour, at the last time gold was around $40 an ounce, would mean your dad was making the equivalent of $40 an hour today, which is crazy for a first real job.
In thr early seventies gold was forty dollars an ounce and my dad made $40 a day. At the time of our conversation gold was ar $1,400 an ounce. Told him to find me an entry level position making $1,400 a day or he can't say I have the same opportunity he did.
Our government is captured. Period. Has been since 1913
I wish more people understood that this is the problem.
Ron Paul said similar. He worked as a waiter in the summers and paid room board books and tuition for Duke medical with his tips. Unreal. Someone said basic wages should be about 150 an hour.
They calculated what. Person in the 1950s could pay for with a high school education and the income needed today to have the same opportunity. Central banking is theft by currency debasement. A silent killer.
You hit the nail so hard on the head it drove through the entire wall. Our younger generation is getting screwed with cost of living and housing prices skyrocketing, but wages stagnating. Companies are demanding more effort and hours, but wages are only enough to barely scrape by. I 100% agreed woth you, we should NOT want conserve this corrupt crony system. We are living under the sustem of the cabal, and Q said it was designed to enslave us under financial pressure and stress. We need to replace it with something that frees people and brings prosperity, and not just for us, but all nations and all people's across the world. I do not want the western world to be the only propesperous nations. I want all people to be free from the hands of the cabal system.
Wall street is 60/40. They steal from the people. Pensions were secure, not gambling on stocks that are gamed.
Too many jobs offer neither anyway.
Young people in America and other western countries have never been part of a government that isn't corrupt or works for them . If you take a 40,000 ft look , our government works against us in the form of regulations and taxation
The percentage of small business in 1900-2020 is rapidly declining. 2020 was the kill shot. And they never got remediation for the busted economy. As usual the Fed opened credit facilities for Fortune 500 and gave the rabble inflation. This was a massive crime and it’s evil.
I believe POTUS is in the process of rectifying this . Maybe a reset of some kind and putting us back on the gold standard with blockchain to protect our currency
No he’s not. He’s not going to do anything.
Trust but verify- Regan
Sounds a bit shilly. Why no faith?
Whitehouse today pushes for blockchain protected home loans. How's that for nothing
100%! Also include the banks keeping us enslaved with debt and mortgages.
I have been thinking about this for a while and came across a guy who thinks the same thing.
Also in the video, he says this.
This really clicked.
Edit: Forgot to summon u/QDay who might like this post and comment based on one of their recent posts.
While the government is actually trying to replace actual citizens, it is also getting them dependent on its bribes.
The government infantilizes healthy adults!
This
I don’t think many young people are willing to make the financial sacrifices required to buy a house. To get our first house we sold newer cars and bought old. Stopped spending except for bare essentials and paid off all debts. Saved every penny, didn’t go out to dinner. Nothing. It took over a year in our case, mostly because we didn’t start buried in credit card debt. Most young people today live for the moment, buy expensive cars, spend every penny and live on credit. Way above their means.
They can't afford nice homes anyway, even if they avoid the fancy car. Then the homes they can afford are small townhomes with no resale value in areas they don't want to stay in, because they don't know if they'll have to move for work in a few years. When you take away the ability to afford a nice single family home, and ability to know if you'll be able to stay there, why strive for one?
What's wrong with getting a nice car in the meantime? Why do we have to denigrate anything nice in their lives while they're struggling, and then just tell them to buck up or move? I know plenty of older folks who are struggling with saving enough for retirement so I don't see a huge generational difference.
We can't deny that economics has gotten worse and worse for the middle class since the 80s and postwar America. This is what Trump ran and won on. It's Make America Great Again, not America Is Great But You're Just Lazy
Most boomer take I have ever seen. You all let in millions of brown people and did nothing. Did nothing while H1-B’s taking jobs from young American college grads.
Define Boomer. More than likely you're talking to a gen Xer. The term boomer is so overused to describe anyone older than you.
I didn’t let anyone in. Unlike you I didn’t vote for Joe Biden. I was early retired for a brown Indian. Don’t blame me for your BS.
I voted Trump 3x lol. 18-35 year old men were one of the largest demographics for Trump last election. Just if you are gonna generalize young people I am gonna generalize boomers.
Gen Z and Zillenial men are far right. Trump is actually a disappointment in many ways for what we want. Yeah we have some clowns but cost of living is out of control. I really only spend my money on food, gas, rent, a couple of subscriptions and I still am one car accident away from getting buried financially.
And all we see is older people shitting on us while brown people keep coming and taking over this country with no end in site. We could care less about the GDP and Stock market when housing is unaffordable and Pajeets, Muslims and illegals are everywhere
Lol, you guys are just arguing in cross-purposes. Bit of a useless exchange. Listen to each other, you might learn something. (kek, I'll wait for the down votes. Thanks.)
I think that u/AnonDan has missed / can't see the point of the first comment, but he's also not exactly wrong, either. Culture today is structured to push young people in the direction of instant gratification. That's just a fact.
But the issue isn't simply black or white. There are multiple factors affecting the situation that young(er) people find themselves in today. Not being willing to sacrifice might be true for some, but certainly not for all. Meanwhile, as the OP is saying, you have an economic system that is totally stacked against them.
But I mean, u/pnwhomebrewer 's "most boomer take I have ever seen" is definitely a slur, and nothing else. And then blanket blaming 'you' and making it completely personal.... sheeesh. Dan rises to the jab, and comes out with "Unlike you I didn't vote for Joe Biden".... One of the kekiest slams I've ever seen... ( to paraphrase from brewer) but totally just reactive and uncalled for.
As for u/SorosOrMuskPickOne, Dan is clearly saying 'we' in the context of him and his significant other, not 'we' as in 'we boomers' or 'our generation'.
So far, I'm yet to find anything in this exchange that actually constructively discusses the issue. You're all acting like kindergarten frogs. (Note: this comment does not necessarily reflect the views of the moderators. /s)
Keep you jabs for the woke lefties on X, peeps. Maybe try to be a little constructive here?
(Addendum: apologies for the comment, but I haven't filled my downvoted quota for the day.)
Ok, I'll accept that when he said we that he meant no one in his generation and just himself and one other person in his family. u/AnonDan you good with that?
Bud, you started off with a "We" and pivoted here to an "I". My advice, avoid generational arguments if that's what you really mean.
Stop crapping on the younger generations en masse.
Lived it.
What u/AnonDan said is true. It is necessary to do similar to buy any significant asset relevant to income, and income is crap right now, and saving money for a lot of them can be nigh impossible due to inflation. Pretty much have to cut spending to the bone and live way below means to grab assets right now.
“Pretty much have to cut spending to the bone and live way below means to grab assets right now”
Which is what we did back then. Actually we have lived below all of our marriage. And still do in retirement. I’ve seen younger people driving cars twice the cost of mine pull into an apartment complex. They choose to spend for today and not save for tomorrow.
I've been tuning in a bit to Triggernometry recently. Some interesting thoughts. Worth a listen. Viewpoint on numerous current 'controversies' contrastive and worth thinking about, imo.
ps. Nice post, OP. Certainly got the grits going. Well done.
Back in my days I could get a job working at the Movie Theater, Fast Food joint or some grocery story with no problem while I was still in HS, which set my work ethic. That ain’t a possibility today with these opportunities all gone to illegals and/or turned into some permanent job career.
They can still find work at Trader Joe's, Starbucks, In and Out Burger, etc. My 19 year old started at Starbucks at 16. Another young lady (20 years old) started at Trader Joe's at 17. A young man I know who is a senior in high school has worked at In and Out Burger for 2 years. They just have to look at companies who don't hire illegals and then do the work (show up for your shift; actually work while at work; etc.)
unfortunately those aren’t in my area, except Starbucks.
The American my kids hate isn’t the America I grew up with. I hate it, too. But I want to restore it to its original intent, not end it as they do.
That is sad to read, but I get it.
TBH. A massively bitter pill for many on the right to hear. But no less true. The status quo has failed the younger generations and things must change.
You want their support. Then you need to give them a tangible vision to believe in today. Rather than referencing an idealized past they are so far removed from. You might as well be telling them Arthurian Legends.
First time in human history where children and grandchildren are progressively doing worse than the older generations. And the solution is to stop buying Starbucks and avocado toast. Aka Super Boomer Jim Cramer.
Of course. The people who made their money. Don’t want to acknowledge it. So the reply with the platitudes and bootstraps rhetoric.
Part of the consumption they so criticize. Is being driven explicitly by the fact the Young don’t see a future worth living in. So why would the young bother saving and making the ‘Right Decisions’. Why not spend their money on luxuries to enjoy now. Not like they’ll get anything out of scrimping, saving, and living well below their means in the long run.
And statistically it’s unlikely well over half of young men will ever have a family to take care of. Let alone get married to begin with.
So that is also another reason why many simply don’t choose to make the conventional ‘correct decisions’. They’ve got no reason to.
Nihilism. As Carlin said. The American Dream, you have to be asleep to believe it. We’re not in the big club and younger generations see it.
https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/retirement/middle-class-americans-abroad-d5d018f6
Well said. 100%.
Its all brainwash. Conservatives, liberals, communists, capitalists... Conservatives never willingly admit that they love socialism when it comes to police, fire dept, or military. They don't wish to address those items. Ask yourselves: "Why?"
This may be obvious, but our biggest enemy is corruption of our government and parties. It robs our people and leads to youth wanting change.
Many of our politicians are complicit, but a whole lot of others turn a blind eye. We need strong leaders that make it their top priority and are willing to fight it with everything at their disposal.
Greed doesn’t rest. We can never take a break from the fight.
Vote for those speaking out against it, if you can find them.
“If there’s a new way, I’ll be the first in line
But it better work out.. this time”
Megadeth - Peace Sells But Who’s Buying? 1986
TBH this thread is the most massively positive one I've read in a while. Acknowledging this makes me 1000x more faithful in the plan than any thread about how Trump is going after Comey or that J6 is going to be exposed. Those are good, don't get me wrong, but I personally don't think real lasting change will come from either. The fact that more people are seeing this feels like we're seeing the forest 'for the trees and how we really win.
Conflation of the issues of government control within capitalism at its root is the fundamental flaw with socialism. With central banks, governments print money like an open faucet, crippling the spending powers of the common American. By moving the money away from fungible and fixed assets like gold/silver towards paper, the problem was exacerbated.
The capitalist system we enjoyed for almost 100 years thanks to jackson was crucified on jekyll island by wilson, and killed by nixon with the death of Breton Woods. The central banks of the world (mostly government controlled) used government to pervert capitalism, disguising their own socialism with it. They printed endless money until they couldn't anymore.
Yes, the system isn't benefiting the people anymore. The youth are seeing the effect of shit degrees and poor education systems, while the cabal continues treating the world as a piggy bank filled with slave labour. They convince these weak minded souls that they deserve a hand out, deserve free stuff, and should never work or suffer for what they want in life. They are fed a mind virus, and it has spread like the flu.
It is time to end that system of governance once and for all. I only hope by NYC seeing its effects, and understanding capital flight is a real thing, it will teach the city, state, and nation that real socialism has been tried and it always, always fails.
The real reason socialism is on the rise is because we have several decades of youth who were never taught the dangers of socialism and communism. On purpose.
I don't know that it was done on purpose in many cases. (some, definitely, but not all)
I taught at the college level for over 8 years so I have that experience.
IMO, the problem is that college professors live in an "ivory tower". There are really no market pressures on their employment/salary. (especially after they achieve tenure) They live in a "bubble" that is detached from the real world. I have a problem with one particular professor that relates to my profession. IMO, he lives in a bubble and is truly blind to what is going on in the real world. It is no so much arrogance or mission; it is ignorance.
This is a rabbit hole worth exploring. IMO, this is a structural problem within academia.
One of the main reasons in my opinion, is the reason they had a plan to replace american citizens was largely due to the fact that america qould become a lawless hellscape with roving gangs, drugs, sex and trafficking etc... it becomes far easier to take control of the nost powerful country on earth first on your way to taking over the qorld, and to take america you needed blue votera en masse but also the lawlessness as a cover for your own massive two faced corruption.
Yes!
Theyve been living socialism already and the devil told them that was capitalism.
The irony is that if they took the time to actually get and stay engaged in our society, there wouldn't be a need for socialism, communism, or fascism. Or even Islam, for that matter.