Leahy, not Roberts, to preside over impeachment trial
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So they're giving up on even the appearance of impartiality.
and Constitutionality... but we know how they've always felt about that.
When I explained all of this last night, even to the "practicing law for 25 years" account, a bunch of people didn't like the info I posted by referencing both SCOTUS blog and Senate impeachment rules. Some even hit "minus" button while, very obviously, not paying attention to what I posted nor making an attempt at reading Senate impeachment rules, nor SCOTUS blog I provided a link to.
Its all a kabuki theater right now. Per SCOTUS blog (repeating what I posted last night) it is absolutely irrelevant who presides since that person has absolutely no input into proceedings, just an observing part and nothing else. The ONLY thing that is relevant is the final vote, one per senator, with 67+ required to convict.
Right now there are only 5 GOPe critters I can count that will vote against Trump, and this includes McConnell for good measure, leaving Chucky and McConnell well short of the required number. So, I have no idea why they are proceeding, but then libtards had no votes to proceed last time and still moved to trial.
What if McConnell has been given a deal and his "going along" with an impeachment trial was to draw more swamp out? By deal, his malfeasance might not be made public, he's allowed to resign over health reasons but is not prosecuted. Just a thought.
That’s fine I guess, as long as they seize every penny of his ill gotten money too. I’m not okay with letting them slink off quietly into the night while still being millionaires. Let the family keep the “good name” but the last thing this country needs is yet another generation of silver spoon shitheads living off inheritance.
No argument there. His wife Chao (if I remember right) has family ties going back to Chiang Kai-shek era so there is a whole other angle to things. That being White Dragon (Koumintang) vs. Red Dragon (CCP), billions in Japanese WW2 gold stolen from 1930s China the White Dragons in Taiwan may now control, Myannmar puppet regime, a lot to unpack. Makes me wonder if Neal Stephenson didn't have an inner track on things 20 years ago -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon
Could be. With all the shenanigans going on for months now I am not sure what to think anymore. On the one hand we saw McConnell so easily go against Trump. Now I see him fighting Chucky over giving up nuclear option going forward. And McConnell seems eager to get to trial, pointing out that you may be right and he's just playing a role knowing full well there are no GOPe votes to convict Trump, all the while egging Chucky and rats on to get this over with. Not only will Trump be the first POTUS to stand 2 impeachment trials, one even as a civilian now (which is more than dicey under the Constitution from what I read), but first POTUS not to be convicted in the process.
I am still trying to understand what it is that Chucky is trying to achieve when he doesn't know there are no GOPe votes there. Unless, and again, as you say, McConnell somehow has convinced Chucky that he'll whip enough GOPe votes in due time. While GOPe resolve seems to be growing by day.
Like I said, I call kabuki theater right now with difficult to read tea leaves. None of it makes any sense. For any normie, that is.
Apparently, not sure how this is even lawful. Inventing whatever rules they want.
This is why I'm only abiding by laws that I want to until the government gets unfucked
That's the spirit!
I keep telling the people around me about the lockdowns: "Yeah, so? You know what I hear when they say '2 more weeks'? I hear '2 more weeks not paying taxes on my income'. I'm not working, am I? ;D"
The Calvinball impeachment
Ahhh fellow men of culture I see. Comics are just not made the same anymore. So glad I own all those books.
Word. I'm too old for anything later than the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. In this Edition - Fat Freddy's cat shits in Freewheelin' Franklin's coof-mask!
https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/87978-calvinball.jpg
I think you'll like this one ;)
I had completely forgotten about this panel!!! Nice catch!
NOT "comic books!!!" They are "GRAHIC novels!" lol
Anyone caught without a mask has to go to 3rd base touchdown zone
First Trump has to hop on one foot blindfolded to 32nd base, then the trial can begin
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6:
It's not. It's yet another reason to try for treason.
Chief Justice choosing not to preside over this process is proof that this is unconstitutional. But most of us know how to read the Kings English at an 8th grade level. So we knew it was unconstitutional already.
Had to mess up that beautiful number 17 to upvote but I figure some douche downvoted it once so I canceled that out and now it's actually 17
Anyone got a leaderboard of who committed the most amounts of treasonous acts at this point? Who's our front runners?
Even I can understand this. But I'm not a lawyer.
If anything, you can interpret that the Chief Justice does not need to preside BECAUSE it is not the President (current) being tried. Furthermore, "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments" gives cover to proceed even though Trump is "out of office" because he was impeached. Seems like there is cover that it is not treason, just an unprecedented occasion.
What does seem short-sighted is that supposedly Trump or his representative(s) would be able to bring up election fraud evidence and / or the real story of the Capitol "insurrection". Will be interesting to see if there is an avenue for this or if it turns out to be a railroad trial where the "rules" prevent either from happening.
That's a good point, actually. Fits with the gun salute conundrum, where they apparently didn't treat Biden as POTUS, too.
Agree; I can't yet see that happening, too.
Makes you wonder when the Military will step in on this rogue government.
That's IF they do. Sorry, I'm having a bad day.
Since Pres. Trump is no longer the President of the United States, Article 1, Section 3's stipulation that the Chief Justice must preside at the trial of a POTUS is no longer applicable.
The presiding officer in impeachment trials for non-presidents (judges, mainly, but apparently now ex-presidents too) is "whoever the Senate picks," and "oldest member of the Senate from the majority party" is pretty standard.
Whether or not Article 1 Section 3's "Chief Justice presides" requirement applies to this impeachment or not has been somewhat in dispute for the past few days -- since he was President when impeached but is no longer at trial -- and apparently it's on the cusp of being settled. (My guess is that Roberts wants to wash his hands of the whole thing and said "please no.")
Horseshit.....this is up to the US Constitution.
Yep. That’s why it was critical to complete the steal for them in the Georgia run off.
They brazenly stole the GA run-off too.
Give Mad Max the job,
it would be comedy gold
That shit-show would play on BET network for years! Better than Sanford and Son re-runs.
"Stick her face in some dough and make gorilla cookies."
Fred G. Sanford
But it's not the president on trial, so it's not covered by the constitution.
Then there should be NO Impeachment if he is not the current prez.
Isn't that a bad precedent? If we can't punish an outgoing president cause there's not enough time 2 weeks before the end of their term?
It must be or else how are they impeaching a president? If he's no longer President how can he be impeached? Whichever way you go they are in trouble
This is a point of constitutional debate.
Lefties will say that a pizza delivery guy should still be punished for eating the pizzas even if his contract is up right after they find out. Especially if that punishment means he can't get another pizza delivery job.
That's where I fall short. There are so many nuances in the Constitution that I'm really in the dark.
You are correct and the Constitution makes no reference to either the Majority or Minority Leader. From the standpoint of the Constitution, they are no different than any other Senator.
Post particular Article/Section in the Constitution that spells it out. Then read the SCOTUS blog on the issue. Stop posting BS only because that is what WE want and expect. And its all really irrelevant. Again, per SCOTUS blog. Read it. And then find my posts from last night with links and explanations. All the info is there.
So a trial that doesn’t conform to the constitution.
It’ll be just as meaningless as the inauguration. Good to know.
My thoughts exactly... It's all for the show.
This whole thing blows apart our Constitution. Even the AP gets it. They understand that nothing is right about what's going on here. I am absolutely sick to my stomach. If our military does not step in and put a stop to these frauds in office, we are going to go beyond a point of no return. Congress has no precedence whatsoever. Trump's Law and Order sounds very important now, doesn't it? The Constitution is our law, but these people do not care. If they are willing to forego the Constitution, to allow a very impartial person to preside over a sham impeachment (the first against a president and now a second one against something that is not Constitutional--a private citizen). How do you think Leahy will rule if they attempt to bring in evidence of voting fraud even though that fraud was the reason the patriots (who were framed, by the way), were in D.C. on January 6 for a PEACEFUL protest. The evidence will again go unseen. It's time--it's past time for the military to get involved. https://townhall.com/columnists/briandarling/2021/01/15/the-unconstitutionality-of-a-senate-impeachment-trial-of-donald-j-trump-postpresidency-n2583213
Unless of course the whole Corporation thing is true and these clowns are just playing with their foreign Corporation and saying F the rules. I mean they are the corporate officers and can make the "rules" whatever they want. And if it is true then Trump doesn't give a crap anyways because he doesn't want to be president of their foreign corporation. Trump wants to be President of the Republic.
A bunch of ifs and buts for sure. We will see how it plays out.
Well, the Senate can't do any other business while they pursue this clown-world shit ...
I’m not into hopium or the two president theory. But I had a thought.
If Trump really is the president, then it makes sense that he can still be impeached.
Well, for one he won.
Was Hillary busy? I mean might as well go all the wqay
It's just more proof that this is all about spectacle rather than the Constitution. And expect Leahy to stop any attempt by Trump's lawyers to introduce evidence of election fraud.
Chief Justice John Roberts will not preside over Donald Trump's Senate impeachment trial, which is scheduled to begin in earnest on Feb. 8.
Instead, Senate President Pro Tempore, Pat Leahy (Vt.), the most senior member of the Senate Democratic conference will preside over the trial.
A Senate source said Leahy, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is expected to preside at the trial.
A spokesman for Leahy said the decision on presiding over the trial is up to Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
We'll have a fair trial and then find him guilty. Same as any other trial run by Demtards.
You think that many Republicans will vote to impeach?
How many voted to confirm Biden again?
More than voted to impeach the first time.
Probably not but if enough abstain/don’t turn up as well... who knows.
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Day 1 will be nice to get the military in there to arrest them...
not constitutional. No legal way for them to enact any rulings or LEGAL consequence. My guess is the Trump team will boycott such an unconstitutional attempt at ambushing Trump, and hopefully many Republican senators will boycott as well to deny them a quorum. This is third world junta crapshoot and should be a wakeup call to everyone, including any democrats who are not brain dead sheep (if any are left)
hunta?... junta.
I tried 3 times to type it and it kept auto correcting.
Yeah, autocorrect really messed it up for me too. I started doubting my spelling and had to go double check!
Good word though, it totally describes what the DS is trying to do. This is south american-dictator type "governance".
Since when have they the Left let The Constitution stop them so far? It’s disgusting no legal standing whatsoever.
Idk about you guys, but I took an oath to defend the constitution against all of its enemies. Sounds to me like it’s under attack.
Leahy is nothing but a complete hack, in other words, exactly what we all expected, to a T.
Just wait until the conflicts of interest start poping up on this...
If Roberts backs out,. wouldn't the responsibility go to the next senior Justice? Woops, that would be Thomas and the dems/libs would never allow that.
No; the Chief Justice is only and always required to preside if the president is being tried, and the ‘claim’ is that that is not the case, since Trump is no longer the president, although he was when he was impeached.
I don't know why people have this idea that he buck gets passed to someone else. It's the Chief Justice or it isn't legal. In this case it's already illegal before it even got to this point.
Yes it should be why do you think humm
Wonder if Chief Pedo Roberts is already in Gitmo.....
So the cop charges you with a crime then puts on a robe to be your judge! Dog & Pony Show.
....let them pay tribute to their New World Order Peedo puppet masters..... IT MATTERETH NOT
MAGA4EVER!
At what point can the military step in and be like “ok kids, enough play time. Let the adults handle this”?
Really! WTF... Welcome to the "Banana Republic of America"... I really hope the Military is watching.
It was reported a couple of days ago that Roberts would not be presiding, but it didn't say who would.
I wonder what would be more important than presiding over a presidential impeachment trial.
Cleaning your cell floor in Gitmo
A nice all expenses paid trip to GITMO Resorts?
So a trial that doesn’t conform to the constitution.
It’ll be just as meaningless as the inauguration. Good to know.
Everyone is missing the point on constitutionality. IF Trump is not POTUS they don't need Roberts... but if Trump is not POTUS then he can't be impeached. So either way its not constitutional. They can't ever seem to get anything right.
I think this is the point where we can easily find out who believes in Q/the plan and who doesn't. If the plan is in action and we are watching a movie, there is no need to freak over all these little details. If we don't believe that, why are we here?
Just a thought but what would be the outcome of an impeachment trial of Trump? There is no president for this. Normally if found guilty the person on trial would be removed from office. Since Trump is no longer in office could he be arrested?
Could this be the first arrest? One that we find shocking?
Just a thought.
Ok, so follow that train of thought to its logical conclusion.
If they want to impeach still, but you can only impeach a standing president, then President Trump must still be....
The Constitution makes NO allowance for anyone other than the Chief Justice to preside over a presidential impeachment trial. No one. Not this necrotic motherfucker who's been warming his Senate seat for longer than I and probably the majority of people here have been alive, not anyone else.
But then the Constitution also makes no allowance for putting a private citizen on trial before the Senate to be convicted and removed from an office he does not hold.
Trump DOESN'T currently hold the office, right senators? RIGHT?
Sixth-gear, full-throttle banana republic stuff. Frightening.
I was wondering how they were going to outdo themselves after the Pipeline and Tranny Sports EOs today. Well played.
Thought it had to be the Chief Justice? So zero rules, fucking clown world. I’m moving to the moon.
I'm tired of these people constructing narratives, and then persecuting people, both public officials and private citizens, based on those false narratives. What do they think will happen if they "convict" Trump based on this sham? We need to get rid of these people.
I’m not really concerned about a now bankrupt city-state that essentially wields no power, and cannot impeach a man who at the moment is not president. Holding this trial would make them admit trump is the legitimate president, and trump, with all his evidence against Biden, would use this opportunity to invoke the 25th against a president who is fraudulent. They are in full blown panic and are running out of cards to play. Anything they try to do to trump will be moot because they have no power or authority. It is also unconstitutional in the first place to rush through this sham as well. These people are sick. These people are stupid! :)
I think Rush referred to him as “Leaky Leahy” for leaking information. Guess he was like Adam Schiff in his early days.
Rush also calls him "Senator Depends". Kek.
“ critics say this creates a conflict of interest because Leahy voted in February to convict Trump on two articles of impeachment. “
Well durrrrrr
Trump should lay all bare in the trial. Vote fraud, Nancy Pelosi wondering why there are no uprisings (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3fsG5tyxRjw), John Sullivan and other alleged agents provocateurs at the Capitol. If he gets convicted, it’s meaningless since it was unconstitutional. This is a great opportunity to get his message out with little risk. BTW, I’m having trouble believing that someone is just going to pop up and save us at this point, but it is strange just how unusual what they are doing seems. One way or another the Republic as we knew it has been suspended. Not that that’s new, but they don’t even seem to care for protocol.