You organize locally. We have a group where I live, its actually one of the only tea party groups left in the country, start hosting meetings twice a month at pizza ranch, or some decent restaurant, invite all like minded people, discuss LOCAL politics, and start taking school board, city council and mayor, county commissioners, sherrifs accountable by sending letters, attending meetings etc.
Through word of mouth attract other like minded people, once you know them personally you can vet them, you can network your way into local politics, and experience the nitty gritty, find out what you need to do to make real change at a local level. Elect members to local offices, support them (you'll need to register as a PAC). Get donations from members, there are middle class and even high class people that will see what your doing and want to help through donations.
Don't try to organize like cultural marxist do, with masks and hiding, organize like Conservitive Americans, they're afraid of that. Organize small protest to get your name out like no mask no jab signs being held. Everyone doesn't agree 100% on everything where I'm at, but we all hate CCP, ANTIFA, Big government.
We have treasurers, state house, county commissioners, city councilman, all come to meetings now, we're a force to be reckoned with, but at a local level, but after all that's why we're a republic right? So when the government tyrany gets out of control we can take the reins and set the ship right, we can do it, but start local.
I want my public servants to be surveilled while on the job. And if they don't want to be then I don't want them to be public servants.
Now I don't want constant 24 hour scrutiny. In fact we can put in provisions to prevent using it to micro manage. That's fine. But no surveillance is not an option.
Don't overreact to ideas like this. A camera in a children's classroom is no different than adult supervision. Yes, only faculty and the parents of the children involved should have access, but these are children we're talking about. They need protection from creeps and weirdos.
We had cameras on our buses when I was growing up - it started in the early 90s. Or at least they said there camera 🤣 it was probably a bluff. We had a blinking black box above the driver.
1.Yes children need protection from creeps and weirdos - and it is also the reason to not install camera which could be hacked or accessed by such ones.Reality is "only faculty and parents" is not real due to technology and its vulnerabilities.
2.Main problem are creeps and weirdos not lack of camera
3.No,it is not overreacting. We cannot allow cameras everywhere including our houses. People,were you ever reading 1984 ?!!!
good, if they can put cameras in your home and suspend a child for the toys he has in his room, parents should be able to see what is being taught. Cameras should be pointed at the teacher and board obviously, not at the children, and must include audio. some sort of authenticator like they have for steam would be necessary so only parents and not random creeps can tune in. Not sure why there is opposition to this, they have cameras at dog care places and stuff. the teachers are your employees and its your right to make sure they're not commie cunts at any hour of the day. Of course best choice is still to homeschool.
so you're ok with sending kids to Hilter Youth Indoctrination Camps aka public schools, but listening in on their indoctrination is just a step too far? I am confused.
It is impossible to be really secured - first thing
It will never be implemented in those way you want by the government - second thing.
Putting cameras in your house willfully is bad habit - were you reading ever 1984 ?! And wifi camera is REALLY easy to hack. Child can do that even after some googling.
Why does the camera system need to be connected to a network?
If we have patriots in charge of the government unlike now why would it be a given that it wouldn't be implemented the way we want?
If the people are the ones overseeing and coordinating with officials the way the system is implemented and the way it works how is it not being implemented the way we want?
While it would be possible to have a very secure system that only parents could access to see the livestreams of their children, it'll never be perfect, so if it's that big of a concern the system could just be fully offline with no live broadcast. If parents want to see the footage it can be taken from the school's local copy and shown to the parents when needed.
And putting cameras in your house is a far cry from putting them in public places or in schools.
How isn't when you want to keep camera on whole time. Thing with "directed on the teacher" is bullshit tyrants say to sell those ideas.It never was about this.Never will be.
Cameras on the streets are too officially for people safety. Really: it is about tyrants having more control,because those cameras are mostly useless when something is done against normal citizen not against oligarchs ruling the state.
I guess if you would concentrate on cameras there will be cameras indeed in public schools. But not parents will be watching but state big brother. Not watching about not spreading marxist filth,but will be watching to make sure all teachers spread marxist filth. I cannot shout over you but you are dangerous ignorants at best if you think just installing monitoring is solution of the problem...
And it also means that at the end voice and picture of the children will be released into net. Don't say it wouldn't. Even "most perfect" theoretical systems can degenerate in practice. Evaluate how much good and how much evil cause those cameras everywhere else now.
You will chose what you want. But you now go the way tyrants want,I warned you.
Until you're t boned by a Karen who ran the light, files a report that it was your fault only to have video evidence vindicate you.
Surveillance is a tool that can be implemented to protect citizens and hold public workers accountable. It's how we use it that matters. Not the tool itself.
This. For people who are mostly pro-gun, it surprises me how many people here blame the tool instead of how it's used. Frankly, it seems like pretty much any tool that isn't a gun gets blamed around here.
The solution isn't to completely remove and ban the tool, it's to fix, educate, or ultimately get rid of the people and ideologies that would use them for evil. If you just ban the tool and move on you still have the evil lingering looking for the next tool to use for their agenda.
These people are so obnoxious, but they're also so bland and boring that they make being gay their 1 personality trait, or being a c*ck sucking commie. You'd have to be drier than stale toast to think that being gay or a commie makes you more interesting.
Can parents audit classes?
If so parent should form audit rotations like car pools.
Say, once a week or month chose a class of their kids' to audit. Sit and watch, and report to the group.
Breaks my heart when you compare the stock of men who went to fight ward not even 100 years ago...this is what happens when they spray cuckboy chemicals into the water supply to reduce testosterone etc. It does far more than just make frogs gay.
No reasonable expectation of privacy in a public setting. Beyond that, you literally have a spy device that reports your location, what you are saying, what you are doing, and what media you are consuming directly to the government at all times in your pocket RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
Yeah no camera, what we need is a constiutional body like a sheriff who is not for government but for the people. The rules are aligned with the constitution and the people. They can investigate issues reported to them and do mandatory checks on schools at any time. They can investigate what is being taught etc. Does this sound any good?
No,as long as body cameras are whole time on instead of "failing" in critical moments. But important thing is: recording is not transmitted in case of cops.
Also (It will be "flood" so sorry,but I will repeat):
On the one hand, we see time and again these teachers trying to keep things from the parents so I can see the need for transparency. But I also see how this could slip down the slope of a surveillance state as u/Qanaut says. Frankly, I'm glad my kids have graduated. But it's only a matter of time before they marry and have kids of their own. Tough call. One thing is certain though, this trend of taking back our schools has got to continue
Sounds to me like you just hate/fear cameras for no good reason. Tools are not evil or bad, how they are used can be. Getting rid of the tool doesn't fix the fact that there are evil people who will just find a new tool to abuse. So banning the tool is just a bandaid solution, the actual solution is to solve the evil people problem.
I've read every word. None of it has been convincing. And each time I post a counterargument to what you say you seem to just disappear or ignore the points I made. Almost like you have no counterarguments or good reason for your belief that stands up to a debate.
Ever notice how gayz a,ways have to peacock their sexuality they can’t just chill. Imagine a male normal teacher rubbing his balls in class and eyeing the girls. It would a national tragedy
Pot, meet kettle.
Why run from communism right into a fascist dystopian surveillance state?
Cameras in classrooms is a dumb idea.
EXACTLY...
restore classic Education and staff schools with qualified and fully vetted teachers
Who vets them and determines if they're qualified or not?
not fucking communists
How do we ensure that is the case? Unlike the current batch we have which the people surely didn't put there intentionally.
You organize locally. We have a group where I live, its actually one of the only tea party groups left in the country, start hosting meetings twice a month at pizza ranch, or some decent restaurant, invite all like minded people, discuss LOCAL politics, and start taking school board, city council and mayor, county commissioners, sherrifs accountable by sending letters, attending meetings etc.
Through word of mouth attract other like minded people, once you know them personally you can vet them, you can network your way into local politics, and experience the nitty gritty, find out what you need to do to make real change at a local level. Elect members to local offices, support them (you'll need to register as a PAC). Get donations from members, there are middle class and even high class people that will see what your doing and want to help through donations.
Don't try to organize like cultural marxist do, with masks and hiding, organize like Conservitive Americans, they're afraid of that. Organize small protest to get your name out like no mask no jab signs being held. Everyone doesn't agree 100% on everything where I'm at, but we all hate CCP, ANTIFA, Big government.
We have treasurers, state house, county commissioners, city councilman, all come to meetings now, we're a force to be reckoned with, but at a local level, but after all that's why we're a republic right? So when the government tyrany gets out of control we can take the reins and set the ship right, we can do it, but start local.
Great explanation, thanks. Saved for future reference.
By the way we're not at pizza ranch now, we're in halls.
Or remind them they are on camera.
Real simple. The students can do it
I want my public servants to be surveilled while on the job. And if they don't want to be then I don't want them to be public servants.
Now I don't want constant 24 hour scrutiny. In fact we can put in provisions to prevent using it to micro manage. That's fine. But no surveillance is not an option.
How is placing cameras in public places where anyone can already see exactly what you're doing an invasion of privacy?
I HAVE A RIGHT TO JACK OFF IN PUBLIC AND GET AWAY WITH IT DAMMIT!
Because of FERPA. A student with disabilities misbehaves in class for all to see is a violation of privacy. That’s just a single example.
The footage doesn't need to be available to everybody. Only the parents of the children in the footage and others it may concern need access.
Aren't tards already supposed to be in their own class anyway?
Monero is our path back to sovereignty
Cuz that's way harder than...talking to your kids lol. They all have phones. If something is worthy of recording they can whip em out.
Don't overreact to ideas like this. A camera in a children's classroom is no different than adult supervision. Yes, only faculty and the parents of the children involved should have access, but these are children we're talking about. They need protection from creeps and weirdos.
We had cameras on our buses when I was growing up - it started in the early 90s. Or at least they said there camera 🤣 it was probably a bluff. We had a blinking black box above the driver.
1.Yes children need protection from creeps and weirdos - and it is also the reason to not install camera which could be hacked or accessed by such ones.Reality is "only faculty and parents" is not real due to technology and its vulnerabilities. 2.Main problem are creeps and weirdos not lack of camera 3.No,it is not overreacting. We cannot allow cameras everywhere including our houses. People,were you ever reading 1984 ?!!!
By the way: I know McAfee is probably LARP but watch this: https://www.iatkos.in/2021/07/whackd-q.html
let me quote this:
Of course it is completely against ingersoll lockwood narration about masks but read this and think about this anyway - even if it is larp.
good, if they can put cameras in your home and suspend a child for the toys he has in his room, parents should be able to see what is being taught. Cameras should be pointed at the teacher and board obviously, not at the children, and must include audio. some sort of authenticator like they have for steam would be necessary so only parents and not random creeps can tune in. Not sure why there is opposition to this, they have cameras at dog care places and stuff. the teachers are your employees and its your right to make sure they're not commie cunts at any hour of the day. Of course best choice is still to homeschool.
exactly nitrox dont let the 3 coomies that downvoted you bother you
Downvotes without counter points does not make the statement less true. If anything it just validates it harder.
This discussion was here on GA once already
No,we NOT need communist surveillance in schools,we need to get rid from communists in schools.
so you're ok with sending kids to Hilter Youth Indoctrination Camps aka public schools, but listening in on their indoctrination is just a step too far? I am confused.
No I am not ok about that. Homeschool as it is better.
But if you send your child to school then for the god sake visit lessons, and if it is really HYIC - react ! You NOT need camera to do this !
If parents would be watching in person what's the difference? A camera is just a pair of eyes with a perfect memory that can't lie.
It is impossible to be really secured - first thing
It will never be implemented in those way you want by the government - second thing.
Putting cameras in your house willfully is bad habit - were you reading ever 1984 ?! And wifi camera is REALLY easy to hack. Child can do that even after some googling.
Anyway: I know McAfee is probably LARP but watch this: https://www.iatkos.in/2021/07/whackd-q.html
let me quote this:
So what if it is the truth ?
Why does the camera system need to be connected to a network?
If we have patriots in charge of the government unlike now why would it be a given that it wouldn't be implemented the way we want?
If the people are the ones overseeing and coordinating with officials the way the system is implemented and the way it works how is it not being implemented the way we want?
While it would be possible to have a very secure system that only parents could access to see the livestreams of their children, it'll never be perfect, so if it's that big of a concern the system could just be fully offline with no live broadcast. If parents want to see the footage it can be taken from the school's local copy and shown to the parents when needed.
And putting cameras in your house is a far cry from putting them in public places or in schools.
How is keeping public servants accountable "Communist surveillance"
How isn't when you want to keep camera on whole time. Thing with "directed on the teacher" is bullshit tyrants say to sell those ideas.It never was about this.Never will be.
Cameras on the streets are too officially for people safety. Really: it is about tyrants having more control,because those cameras are mostly useless when something is done against normal citizen not against oligarchs ruling the state.
I guess if you would concentrate on cameras there will be cameras indeed in public schools. But not parents will be watching but state big brother. Not watching about not spreading marxist filth,but will be watching to make sure all teachers spread marxist filth. I cannot shout over you but you are dangerous ignorants at best if you think just installing monitoring is solution of the problem...
And it also means that at the end voice and picture of the children will be released into net. Don't say it wouldn't. Even "most perfect" theoretical systems can degenerate in practice. Evaluate how much good and how much evil cause those cameras everywhere else now.
You will chose what you want. But you now go the way tyrants want,I warned you.
I know McAfee is probably LARP but watch this: https://www.iatkos.in/2021/07/whackd-q.html
let me quote this:
Larp or not - what if it is truth ?
The cameras everywhere shit has got to go! I can't go anywhere here without seeing 6 cameras strapped to every other telephone pole. Its sickening.
Until you're t boned by a Karen who ran the light, files a report that it was your fault only to have video evidence vindicate you.
Surveillance is a tool that can be implemented to protect citizens and hold public workers accountable. It's how we use it that matters. Not the tool itself.
This. For people who are mostly pro-gun, it surprises me how many people here blame the tool instead of how it's used. Frankly, it seems like pretty much any tool that isn't a gun gets blamed around here.
Exactly. The internet is not evil. How it's used can be.
Yep, neither are smartphones or the TV.
The solution isn't to completely remove and ban the tool, it's to fix, educate, or ultimately get rid of the people and ideologies that would use them for evil. If you just ban the tool and move on you still have the evil lingering looking for the next tool to use for their agenda.
Commie tattoo, gay clothes.
Says it all, in the open.
Instead of asking for Cameras somebody shall ask why they were even employed ! (And such people shall be kicked out of course)
aaaand they're all god damn PEDOPHILES
Iam all for cameras in school, but just like the vegas shooting and jan.6th event how convient for them cameras not working.
These people are so obnoxious, but they're also so bland and boring that they make being gay their 1 personality trait, or being a c*ck sucking commie. You'd have to be drier than stale toast to think that being gay or a commie makes you more interesting.
And corruption went down significantly. I do not believe in putting cameras everywhere, but having no cameras is also wrong.
Actually you should just get your kids out of public schools. Education is not the role of government, it's your responsibility as a parent.
If you give your kids to Caesar to be taught don't be surprised when they come home as Romans.
Can parents audit classes? If so parent should form audit rotations like car pools. Say, once a week or month chose a class of their kids' to audit. Sit and watch, and report to the group.
I'd rather pull my kids and figure out an alternative way to educate them. And my spouse is retired after 47 years in education. We're both disgusted.
Is it just me, or does the Pantifa boi have larger breasts and more anorexia than Muffy Dyver?
every parent has the right to know what indoctrinators are spewing!
Great Awakening was always mainly about spurring us into action. IT’S BEGINNING TO WORK!! (Eg. It’s Happening lmao).
Not a bad idea
Agree.
2 down.
~ 3.7 million to go
Its almost as though people are starting to wake up!
Just look at the online school district goals and you will already know they are being commie blm brainwashed.
The chick on the left has no tits! WTF!?
Not real chick probably.
Fucking state of it. Absolute degeneracy.
Breaks my heart when you compare the stock of men who went to fight ward not even 100 years ago...this is what happens when they spray cuckboy chemicals into the water supply to reduce testosterone etc. It does far more than just make frogs gay.
No reasonable expectation of privacy in a public setting. Beyond that, you literally have a spy device that reports your location, what you are saying, what you are doing, and what media you are consuming directly to the government at all times in your pocket RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
Yeah no camera, what we need is a constiutional body like a sheriff who is not for government but for the people. The rules are aligned with the constitution and the people. They can investigate issues reported to them and do mandatory checks on schools at any time. They can investigate what is being taught etc. Does this sound any good?
Sounds good. But would be even better if cameras were one of the ways for these officials to do their jobs.
u/EthnicEuropean: Here we go again... NO.
Instead of communist surveillance in schools get rid of communists in American schools !
It is... But lets say clearly - fighting symptoms not cures disease alone. Disease is communism.
Are you against cops having to wear body cameras?
First thing that came to mind.
No,as long as body cameras are whole time on instead of "failing" in critical moments. But important thing is: recording is not transmitted in case of cops.
Also (It will be "flood" so sorry,but I will repeat):
I know McAfee is probably LARP but watch this: https://www.iatkos.in/2021/07/whackd-q.html
let me quote this:
Larp or not - what if it is truth ?
On the one hand, we see time and again these teachers trying to keep things from the parents so I can see the need for transparency. But I also see how this could slip down the slope of a surveillance state as u/Qanaut says. Frankly, I'm glad my kids have graduated. But it's only a matter of time before they marry and have kids of their own. Tough call. One thing is certain though, this trend of taking back our schools has got to continue
How?
By sitting on ass and wanting to install cameras instead of auditing it personally, and joining school committees /s
Don't follow this idiocy about camera,understand that those above was sarcasm and move your fucking ass !
Sounds to me like you just hate/fear cameras for no good reason. Tools are not evil or bad, how they are used can be. Getting rid of the tool doesn't fix the fact that there are evil people who will just find a new tool to abuse. So banning the tool is just a bandaid solution, the actual solution is to solve the evil people problem.
Sounds to me you not bothered to read what I fucking wrote.
I've read every word. None of it has been convincing. And each time I post a counterargument to what you say you seem to just disappear or ignore the points I made. Almost like you have no counterarguments or good reason for your belief that stands up to a debate.
I'd be concerned about pedophiles stalking kids via the live feed. This is a bit extreme. Why not just talk to your kids about their class?
Wow... gay Jewish pedophiles...🤷🏽♀️
If a parent has time to monitor multiple children’s teachers, you might as well homeschool. Way less effort than watching live-streams all day.
Or they could just watch the footage later when they have the time.
I don’t agree I think it’s a bit extreme. Instead, The school districts need to hire teachers that are fucking loser commies.
Classroom feeds would become an online perving thing..........
Too many urls and too many people with too many passwords, would be a stalkers/kidnappers/rapist wet dream.....
Not canonical to Q - I know McAfee is probably LARP but watch this: https://www.iatkos.in/2021/07/whackd-q.html
let me quote this:
Larp or not - what if it is truth ? Hardware trojans are quite common - especially in Chinese products.
Ever notice how gayz a,ways have to peacock their sexuality they can’t just chill. Imagine a male normal teacher rubbing his balls in class and eyeing the girls. It would a national tragedy