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I went in for a yearly checkup with my doctor.
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Me: I caught covid about a month ago
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Dr. did you get a PCR test when you had symptoms?
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Me: No.
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Dr. Then how would you know you had covid.
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Me: I was around someone with covid, I then had the same symptoms of covid such as loss of smell and taste.
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Dr.: You should get the vaccine then.
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Me: I have natural immunity now, I no longer need the vax.
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Dr: The vaccine is better than natural immunity.
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Me: Explain to me, biologically - how you could claim any vaccine could produce a stronger immune system than the virus itself.
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Dr.: ...
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Me: Even a perfect vaccine could only produce an immune response equal to the virus with the hope that the vaccine would have less risk associated than catching the virus.
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Dr. You should still get the vaccine because we don't know how many antibodies your body produced, if you get the vaccine your body can then produce more antibodies to protect you from covid.
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Me: 🔥 Now that I have natural immunity, I am much less likely to get bad symptoms from covid (just like the vaccine claims to do) if I catch it again. 🔥
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Dr.: ...
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Me: 🔥 This means there isn't really any benefit to getting the vaccine versus just waiting to get the virus again, there is actually now an added risk of getting a side-effect from the vaccine.🔥
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Dr.: But you might not have even had covid.
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Me: Well then give me an antibody test for covid.
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Dr.: Well the antibody tests aren't as accurate as the PCR tests are. Antibody tests arent determinative if you have covid, PCR tests are.
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Me.: The PCR tests are not accurate and should not be used to diagnose covid.
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Dr.: ... Okay we can do the antibody test.
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Test comes back positive.
I Shut My Vax-Pushing Dr. Up!
ℹ️ ⚔️ Info Warfare ⚔️ ℹ️
It’s very frustrating talking to doctors about not wanting the vaccine. It’s worse when you realize they have done zero research and aren’t capable of independent thought.
It's like talking to a car salesman. That's all they do - sell cars. For one brand. And so many have no clue about the cars they're selling.
Astute analogy.
Yes. MDs, when you understand what they actually learn, cease to be impressive.
%90 of them don’t do shit but read from a script to write a “script”.
I like that ☝🏼
True, follow the matrix, you have this, and this symptom, follow the line over to drug x. We don't have a healthcare system, we have a system that manages sickness.
Think about the psychiatrist, or as the are called today, mental health professionals. They are the biggest dope dealers on the planet.
Yep. If the system wasn’t rigged OxyContin would have never happened.
One minor flaw...the car salesman at least knows they’re selling you crap ...
What are you buying? Every new car I’ve bought (4) has been really good.
Doctors spend decades in training and certainly have keen awareness they are now peddling death and lies.
So car salesmen get no love, including from me, but they’re coming out way ahead of the widely-crooked medical profession by my count.
#nailedit
C's get Degrees. These people are narrow minded to the point of blindness
Doctors are just highly paid bureaucrats
They are Highly indoctrinated and heavily in debt ... makes them easy to manipulate. The residency period they go through is very MK Ultra-like.
The ones that got in for the $$ are completely owned.
The ones that got in it to help people are a Huge blessing, they are the ones Rising Up now
Spot on.
Or killed. They would rather you die to increase their non-jabbed numbers.
I hesitate to lump all doctors into this category the same way I hesitate to lump all teachers into CRT generators. Nearly 15 years ago my dad was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor and told to get his affairs in order. Presently, my dad is alive, well, and cancer-free. A very good doctor saved his life.
I get what you're saying though and generally avoid all things medical like the plague.
Thank you. I know great doctors and I was a great teacher. It is so good to not be constantly blamed or accused. Teachers like me are part of the answer.
As a fellow educator, (retired), it is so nice to be in the company of great teachers. I'd like to think I had a hand in molding more than a few lives for the better over the last 30 years. We are not all lost. God bless, fren.
Fair point. I was generalizing, but there are, of course, some good doctors just like there may be some good bureaucrats out there somewhere. They got fooled and sucked into the system. They didn’t start like that.
That’s a fair assessment. I think it’s just a reflection of how close minded people are as a whole. Not just doctors. But doctors are highlighted bc we have a “medical” situation right now.
I 1976 I was in a head-on collision. Broke my hip in 10 places. I had a great Orthopedic surgeon who put me back together with one well placed rod that pulled all my bones back into place. With a lessor doctor, I would be crippled for life.
I remember once going on a follow visit. He took xrays. Then when he came in to view the xrays, I remember him standing there, just staring at the xray, and saying out loud, almost like he forgot I was in the room, "Damn I did a good job." He told me that when he showed his peers what he had done, they told him it was impossible. He was very proud of the job he did on me.
He had long retired, but I called him a few times just to thank him for for what he did for me.
Well he was a "third opinion" surgeon who said he could remove the tumor from a location in the brain that the previous two had said was not possible. I guess at that point my dad figured he had nothing to lose by putting his trust in door number three. He underwent the surgery for a successful removal of the tumor. The other 2 docs weren't even willing to try. The body is a miracle machine blessed to us by the grace of God. But this doctor gave me more time with my dad and I am forever grateful.
No they are grifters for Big Pharma.
They are no longer doctors and we need to stop treating them as such.
They have been taught in their indoctrination centers, how to THINK about scientific matters. They are not taught ABOUT scientific matters..
This is why they can cure no disease and are only capable of treating symptoms, because that’s all big pharma allows them to think about..
They are getting paid 90 dollars to administer vaccines. They can make 1500-2500 per hour just administering vaccines..
They don’t even administer the vaccine. The nurse or MA does…
They are grifters and they have no special knowledge, just a Rx pad.. that’s all that makes them useful..
I say this based on experience. They murdered my mother-she had cancer..
Incompetent morons.
Do you have a good source for the $90 info? This is a good red pill for someone I know.
I will try to find the article..
I’m sorry..
I read a lot of stuff.
Should have saved it..
But I’ll find it. It’s now my mission!
From what I show, Medicare only pays out $40.00 for administering each dose.
That's what Medicare pays. Like the eyeglasses that are advertised for 79.99 that always end up being $300.00 or more.
Here is where you probably saw the $90.00 info. But it's AUS not USA.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/meanwhile-in-australia/
Makes sense. There is a reason even grocery stores want to admin them. Pretty soon there will prob be vaccination door to door “salesmen”
Doctors and Lawyers and other such professions are rewarded by this crappy system we live in. They aren't going to rock the boat.
I’ve come to realize, sadly, that even my doctors are choosing to “follow the line” as it’s come down from “on high” (clinic and hospital administrators), who get their protocol from some “corporate” entities, who have dollar-signs $$$ in their eyes (and maybe some with reptilian vertical slits). Everyone lower level (doctors in an examining room and on up) ASSUMES the next highest l-up professional from their own position has “done the research” and vetted reputable sources. But no one has. They’ve all been scammed. Where the buck stops for this well orchestrated delusion-scam-on-the-world is … George Soros. Perhaps someone can find and post that video of the interview with Soros about his life (60-Minutes? 10 years or so ago?) where he SAYS something like “My greatest wish before I die is to see the destruction of the United States.” Stunning! In plain sight.
I recently had to do a phone appointment with my VA appointed doctor. She asked me a bunch of medical questions and then got on the vax. I had to school her in opposition to the BS she thought she knew. I had her speechless at one point and then she said in exasperation “Well, it sounds like you don’t really need a doctor then?” I replied, “No, I really don’t and the only reason we’re having this conversation is because it’s required to have an appointment with you on an annual basis to keep my VA benefits”
The entire medical profession is built on a mountain of government regulation designed to provide doctors with the greatest return for minimal work. Just a bunch of box ticking sheep that are trained to toe the line rather than to provide medical care.
The amount of times I've had to see a doctor about a condition I already diagnosed myself just to get a prescription is staggering. They say its under the guise of public safety, but really a bunch of doctors got together and used state power to ensure you have to pay them $100 to get permission to buy a $5 drug.
And don't get me started on specialized medicine. I've experienced horrible appointments that I have complained about and refused to pay for. Their response? "We'll just bulk bill it". Which in Australia means they will just charge Medicare and not charge you any excess. So they still get paid with borderline Medicare fraud.
Sad but true, box ticking sheep. But it was not always like that, as you know.
My doctor when I was a kid, was a real doctor. He would put his two fingers on your chest, tap them and listen to the sound with a stethoscope. He would look at your tongue, finger nails, eyes, in your ears, check your reflex, do all those kind of diagnostic things. I heard stories of big city doctors that could not find out what was wrong with someone, and yet he was able to make the determination.
He was also a good friend of the family. I grew up right across from the little three room doctors office, so any time I had an issue, I just walked across the street.
Unfortunately, he took up with this woman that shot and killed him.
My childhood Dr had a full blown medical office adjacent to the medical library in his home. No Nurses. The few vaccines I got given right there (mid 60’s). When I came down with Mumps he came to our home each day until I was better, carrying his little black bag. 30 miles North of Boston, in Stoneham Mass.
Those old timely doctors understood medicine, and how things worked, and cared about their patients.
I am the youngest of five, born 66 years ago today, and the same doctor, not this one though, one across the stateline in Ga, brought all five of us into the world.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🎉🎊 PATRIOT!!! 💕
Thanks much.
Something I've remembered since probably 15:
Age does not depend upon the amount of accumulated birthdays, yet the elasticity of our spirit, and the vigor of our mind.
If we've left our dreams behind, and hope is cold
If we cease to look ahead, if our ambitions fires are dead
Then we are old.
But, if in life we take the best
And if in life we keep the just, and still hold love
Then no matter how the years go by
No matter how the birthdays fly
We are not old.
I love that Fren...saved 💕🙏
If this happened to my son, or wife, lord help the son of a bitch that did it.
Thats absolutely awesome.
This is so accurate with the VA! Doctors hate how they wasted tons of time and money for us to end up schooling them. Oh the irony
My regular doctor got all pissy and passive aggressive after I told her I was seeing a Functional Doctor... like I was cheating on her. Very weird.
Functional medicine has some odd opposition. Doctors are mostly sub specialized, the idea of a total view approach might threaten a few small minds.
It minimizes their efficacy, it makes them think you doubt their knowledge/skill and for some the fact that you aren't spending money with them is upsetting.
Makes sense I guess.
Well we did break up... I'm not going back- she's a vax pusher
I'm looking for a cost effective way to get labs and want to use the Functional Medicine approach also. We have a Chiropractic Dr. But she does not offer this service.
Do you know any group who can do functional tests online and interpret the results? Their is one Functional in my town but cost is over $1k....There are a lot of online lab test places just looking for a good one.
It would be awesome if Americas Frontline Dr.s could offer this! We used them to get 2 scripts HCQ!
Thanks in advance.....WWG1WGA
Thank u/paperairplanes I will check them out and appreciate your detailed experience!!
This is good article is from Sept 12, I just read through it.
It goes into some detail about how, and why the vaccine is shutting down our immune system. It is the first article that actually shows the mRNA code and how it was modified to keep the vaccine from being destroyed when injected, and suggest the designers should have considered the question:
"but what would be the consequences of switching off that important early warning system?"
It also goes on the talking about the reason we are beginning to see cancers that were in remissions killing people.
Summary:
Summary
Changes to key parts of the mRNA code in SARS-CoV-2 vaccines may be causal in changing the innate immune response via toll-like receptors. Toll-like receptors are important components in defence against infection and downstream effects may also include inhibition of CD8 T cell response. CD8 is a vital part of the immune system’s ability to eradicate infection and cancer. Those changes may be reflected in recent reactivated Varicella Zoster infections although specific mechanisms are unclear at the moment. Anecdotal reports of significant uptick in cancer presenting to medical consultants may be consistent with aberrant toll-like receptor and dendritic cell changes leading to an inhibition of the anti-cancer CD8 effector response. Further data are required but the prospect of an altered CD8 response to infection and cancer is very concerning and should prompt urgent investigation.
One might be forgiven for asking: surely someone must have cautioned against doing that? And isn’t that why new drug/vaccine products are supposed to be thoroughly tested before they are given to large populations?
Anyone remember the Anon from this board that posted about a family member/friend dying from cancer after taking the vaccine? This explains a lot
I don't understand much about the Bayhe-Dole Act from what I've just read.
One thing that struck me was this statement: “asserts that university research is ‘skewed’ toward marketable products and not basic research”
Look how long ago his research was.
Does research results on targets that do not change over time have a shelf life.
I have an encyclopedia set from the 1800's. I can look up information on the chemical element Iron, and the 1800's information is still valid. It's still atomic number 26 after all these years.
Thanks for the advice, yup already looking lol.
100% concur. The meta around this conversation is that the doctor is shitty and you should try and find better. Why take advice from people who are far less well informed than yourself?
An educated populace is a powerful weapon.
If there's one thing I've learned from the Corona Virus plandemic, it's that there's a shitload of quacks out there.
And many of them are wearing white coats or scrubs.
Maybe more spineless than anything else.
Oh there's plenty of that to be sure. But I think we've all been guilty at times (myself included) of far overestimating the medical and general cognitive abilities of the doctor's we place our trust in.
I've experienced that first hand more times than I care to admit.
Would be good if someone put together a short authoritative (scientific papers) document that we could print out and hand to doctors.
Maybe also include the Nuremberg Code and the Hippocratic Oath at the end.
And don’t forget. Most people develop immunity without developing antibodies.
Antibodies are something your immune system only develops if it deems something enough of a threat to reserve critical real estate in your immune system.
If your immune system made antibodies for every threat, your blood vessels would explode. There wouldn’t be any room for red blood cells.
This is almost exactly how it went at my physical in August. It was like pulling teeth to get him to write orders for antibodies test so it would be covered by my insurance.
$$$Follow the$$$
Frauds in white coats
Pharmaceutical drug pushers
Monsters in lab caots*
Fixed that for ya. They are complicit. #rope
Argh typos!
https://mikrotik.com/product/CAOTS
The ones that don’t accept insurance are far more likely to be open minded.
Don't forget nurse practitoners. My husband's NP is ex-military. We love him. Not a vaccine pusher. Made arrangements with local pharmacy to get enough ivermectin for his patients. He gave him a prescription for ivermectin just in case he gets it again.
I actually was thinking to do research on a couple that are ‘in network’ for me. Both me & my husband need new primaries- both have retired. I would love to see what they post on social media- were they Trump haters? That’s a red flag lol
Great write up!
This should give a few folks around here a good script to go by when they go see their doctors for their checkups this fall.
What do you call someone who graduates at the bottom of their class in medical school?
Doctor.
I remember years ago my daughter had mono - it had been going around school and some of her friends. She had symptoms so I took her to the doctor & they did a rapid test and said it’s negative. I asked if they could do a blood test and they said no. Two weeks later she breaks out in a rash- I look it up and sure enough it can be one of the signs of mono left untreated. I call up the doctors office and tell them. They say a rash isn’t a symptom- I said yes it is!! Not a typical one but it is- look it up. I said do the damn blood test! They were reluctant- I said why won’t you just do the damn blood test- what is the big deal? They reluctantly did it- called me 2 days later- yep -she has mono. These medical professionals think they know all or what’s best. This is why when you get a major diagnosis to always always always get a second & third opinion before agreeing to any surgery or course of treatment. And make sure those opinions are not all friends.
Making sure the opinions are not all friends. This is so true. My mom just experienced this and point blank asked her nurse “do you really think if I go to X after going to Y, that they will contradict their friend?” and the nurse said “you have a point.”
Yep. It's a species level tragedy and we are fucked if this isnt addressed.
Great story🩸. Can I use it with my Dr? Thank you
Yes! Are you coming up for an appointment soon?
Had one. Dr said we were in great health at our yearly physical 9/24/21. Husbands job because of DOD Contracts must have all employees vaxxed. We called our Dr Friday for exemption. She said we should have been vaxxed months ago due to our age 67,69 because we are at high risk. Going to try talking to her again.
PM me
How?
Click on his name. Then, under the right-hand column banner [About NOT_ADMIN] you should see "send a message".
(This is for a laptop. I don't own a smartphone.)
If you can find a concierge doctor, they’re far more likely to get it.
It will cost you, but it will be worth it.
I don't give a shit if I have antibodies or not.
I'm not afraid of diseases pushed by the MSM.
Should have told him to fuck right off. Listen to my heart, check my blood, and refill my blood pressure meds and I’ll see you next time.
Unfortunately they are getting kickbacks from vaccines just like they do the medications they prescribe. They are no longer concern about taking care of their patients but rather taking care of their pockets.
This is not an unusual interaction with a doctor. In fact, it is typical. Those of us who have been following the science know more about Covid than most physicians. We are much more aware of the vaccine side effects and the superior natural immunity most of us have from getting Covid, even mild cases. These doctors do as they are told without thinking. They read the headlines in medical journals who get the majority of their funding from big pharma and never question anything. These are the people we entrust with our lives. In many ways they are simply an extension of Pfizer, J&J, etc. and don't even know it.
The PCR tests will end in December. This is according to the CDC. Cannot believe your doc would still be pushing this test. Apparently, he isn't keeping up with the latest information.
Is your doctor just brain dead, or is he getting some kind of kickback to push this nonsense.
Good!! Now fire him and stay the hell out of the hospital.
Your doctor sounds like a fucking idiot.
Get a new doctor.
Sounds like it’s time for a new Doc.
Luckily I witnessed cancer/chemo ravage a man who literally looked like a Gollum like skinny shell of a man he used to be….truly horrifying to see at 12, but my Mom cured herself from cancer and if I ever get that shit it’s Gerson Therapy and high dose TCH oil aka (RSO) (Latest studies from Israel show thc kills cancer cells) - Chemo is worse then Cancer
Can verify☝🏼 RSO & CBD CAN cure many of (some) cancers. ALL cancers tho...still awaiting proof of that(?). I made my own RSO and utilized it along with several other treatment protocols.
Amen! RSO and the Gerson Therapy are my go to for cancer
Gerson works. There’s several therapies now and majority are old knowledge come-back to the fore. New ones too thanks to covid...possibly the only positive thing to result from Chyna-virus.
I think all the Frontier Doctors and Nurses need to form their own hospitals throughout the country so that "we the people" who have been blessed with "common sense" have a place we can go to for medical care without being harrassed, interrogated and put on a list! I pray each day that I stay healthy enough to get thru all this BS without requiring a hospital (or doctors) visit.
How many doctors do we actually know who are not on board with this covid vaccine garbage? Seems like 98% of them are all in it
They have always been pharmacy shills
Yay! You won that argument hands down! Hubby and I both recently saw our Dr in separate appointments and I was astonished that the subject of the vax, or even COVID, never came up with either of us. I even have a vague recollection of her agreeing with me when I said something about still having to wear these damn masks. I think we may actually have found a Dr who’s not buying into the BS.
instead of this lip wiggling, just ask if he would bet his life that the vaccine is safe and effective, make him sign a paper stating so, if not, why should you bet yours?
The Dr is a liar or stupid. PCR tests are not specific for COVID at all. That fact has been all over the place.
My God, get a different doctor. What a sad fuck, that guy. He/she should lose his/her license for even CLAIMING a vaccine is better than your immune system!
Yeah, and this is just ONE of many subjects that they have been taught wrong for decades! Another is cholesterol and thyroid.