Vaccine effectiveness is irrelevant at this point. This is about freedom of choice. Even if the vaccine gave super powers that is still no excuse to mandate it.
Indeed we are... Or maybe we were just being reasonable and amicable to our neighbors... Either way if we need an Amendment that states "under no circumstance are these rights ever to be suspended" then so be it. I'm at the point where the Fed needs to be completely stripped of all "emergency" power. Only states should have such and even that needs to be reexamined.
Kavanaugh noting that Republican state officials were challenging the requirement, but the medical facilities actually affected by the mandate “in fact overwhelmingly appear to support” the rule.
Yeah the medical facilities support the mandate because they are probably getting a kickback for supporting it. Probably because they are fudging death records saying people are dying of c-19 after they kill them with their “protocols”, and getting fat checks for doing it. They are following their puppet masters in big pharma, scratching each other’s backs.
I've heard that hospitals get up to $100,000 per dead Covid patient. Nah, no incentives there! Incentives for remdesivir (50% chance of shutting your organs down), incentives for venting (kiss of death, fibrosis of the lungs, etc.). Why would they complain about this? They could lose A LOT of money.
$13,000 for a positive COVID test result and hospitalization.
$39,000 for putting a patient with a positive COVID test on a ventilator.
$48,000 for a COVID patient that dies in the hospital.
That's a cool $100,000. But they also get a 20% bonus based on the patient's entire hospital bill if they prescribe Remdesivir instead of other medications.
Essentially the federal government is bribing hospitals to generate as many positive COVID test results as possible (40+ amplification cycles ftw!), and then to murder the patients with ventilators and Remdesivir.
I was on oxygen in hospital for 16 days, no less than 8 different people asked me if I was going to take remdesivir. I refused it. They also push the vaccine while your in there, my response "Still using fetal cell lines". My god these people are children, from the eye rolls to the smartass comments when you say no to something. I also had to smuggle ivermectin in, first hospital said i could bring it in and then threw my friend out when he arrived, they think they have you by the balls and it is close to forced imprisonment, but you can sign yourself out at any time. I left the first hospital and went to another.
They talk to you about vaccinating six weeks after your infection. We don’t even have Covid vaccines in my hospital. We have flu shots but it’s policy not to carry Covid since we can’t give them anyway once you are sick.
Yes, remember you go there by yourself and ask them for help. If I don’t like a business, I don’t sign a contract for their services. You can cancel your contract as long as you aren’t putting yourself in danger.
Although Twitter doc said he allowed a dying Covid patient to sign out. He got halfway across the parking lot and passed out due to lack of oxygen. ER doc ready to put in intubation but other doc came and stopped him relaying the patient signed himself out refusing care. The patient died.
So it’s a bold move, but they are willing now to say even if they die we will respect their wishes. Not so much with little old ladies or men which could be argued they were demented and vulnerable, but they are willing to let adults die if they refused care now. Seems like a great win for medical freedom.
Even if it's freedom to fuck up and die of a disease. Any disease. Whether it's a pandemic or 'plandemic' doesn't matter. If you don't want a tetanus shot or a covid jab, that should be on you, not the government.
Free to choose. Not free from consequences. That's what our country is/was/should be built on.
I don't need or want a baby sitter or nanny state. I want to be free. To live my life, and make it great (or fuck it up) as i will it.
That's freedom.
The indiscriminate surveillance? The cancel culture? The threat of not having a job if you don't take the jab?
That's terror. Terror built into the system.
Freedom loving patriots don't negotiate with terrorists.
Cancel culture is the extension of your idea of freedom of choice not freedom from consequences. If plenty of other people want to use the free market and freedom of speech to "cancel" someone or boycott them or whatever else it may look like, it's utilizing the same freedoms you're advocating for. Just a note for internal consistency.
100%!! It should never have to get to this point.... we need to make sure that nothing like this can ever be "mandated" again... we have God-given rights that cannot be taken away by any man or government.
These dumb corrupt mother fuckers aren’t even arguing about a drug that’s been approved. It shouldn’t be at the Supreme Court. It’s not even a real fucking drug.
I wish this fucking shot was just instantly fatal. All the lefties and half these court idiots would be gone and we wouldn’t have to worry about it.
What's this about Roberts and Epstein? I saw Wood make that accusation, but I never saw any evidence, so if you have some, I'd be interested in seeing it.
I thought it was some sort of "John Roberts" listed, but it may have been a lawyer with the same name of I remember some digging that was done. It's a fairly bland or common type name, and does not necessarily implicate the John Roberts on the supreme court
If you look behind the scenes at these phony "fact check" sites, you find that they are funded by organizations with political biases. You must always ask yourself. Who is writing about this so-called "truth." Who funds the site and pays their expenses. What are the origins and history of the funders and who are they associated with. In the case of factcheck.org they receive their funding from the liberal Annenberg Foundation.
The Annenberg Foundation was originally founded by Walter J. Annenberg, a conservative who supported Ronald Reagan. However, when Walter Annenberg died, his family took over the management of the foundation and it took a turn to the far left and has ties to radical left individuals such as Bill Ayers and his friend and fellow left wing radical collegue Barack Obama. How is factcheck.org associated with these people:
To start, Ayers was the key founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001. Upon its start in 1995, Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Geesh, that alone connects all three. Well, it branches out even more from there.
Ayers co-chaired the organization’s Collaborative, which set the education policies of the Challenge. Oddly enough, Obama was the one who was authorized to delegate to the Collaborative in regards to its programs and projects. In addition to that, Obama often times had to seek advice and assistance from the Ayer’s led Collaborative in regards to the programmatic aspects of grant proposals. Ayers even sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”. They both also sat together on the board of the CAC’s Governance Committee. Obama and Ayers were two parts of a group of four who were instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern the CAC. Keep in mind that the “A” in CAC is for Annenberg, the owners of FactCheck.org. The funding for Ayer’s projects and those of his cronies was approved by Board Chair, Barack Obama.
It’s not about the medical corporations. It’s about the individuals working within those companies who do not want injected with government experiments.
I don't give a shit what the GMO treatment does or doesn't do, I don't give a shit if medical institutions support the mandate and I don't give a shit what agency is used to enforce the mandate.
The entire thing is unconstitutional on its face and should be thrown out post haste.
What I haven't heard in the arguments YET ... is how in the hell can ANYONE "mandate" an EMERGENCY USE ONLY drug that has NOT been approved ... AND the fact that the pharm companies will NOT provide the ingredients of their drug, OR the adverse reactions?
Peak clown world! All reason and logical thinking has been thrown out in favor of irrational, emotional, and downright dangerous decisions. It's like we're living through a very long episode of the twilight zone. Let's just hope we wake up from this nightmare soon!
What I find interesting that does not get much attention is the OSHA fines. The fines for noncompliance are up to about 14K per employee and can be multipled exponentially if the employer does not comply further. These fines are deemed serious offenses. You can search the OSHA database to get an idea of fines - you see a lot in construction, etc for obvious reasons but also in healthcare - I think the primary offense has to do with unsafe blood issues - disposing improper, etc. So while this is being presented under the guise of employee health, there is a level of lying by omission here.
BTW - OSHA fines are not tax deductible. And the money collected from the fines goes to the US Treasury general fund. It does not go to OSHA.
They mentioned they deal with a lot of blood and bodily fluids. They've also already mandated the flu shot for the medical field, unless religious or medical exemption is granted.
Oh. Must be my local medical facilities policy. I noticed it a few years ago when I was job searching. All the jobs at the local hospitals said they require annual flu shots unless there was a medical or religious reason. They also do not hire anyone who smokes. 🤷♀️
Still illegal as it's experimental. Under the NC, in a normal year or decade, it would be ruled unConstitutional. To me that's the central argument. It's not approved.
I was going insane when one of the SC Judges stated (this is not word for word) that HHS can tell hospitals that they should wash their hands and wear protective equipment, why can't we tell them to take a vaccine? My eyes almost rolled out of their sockets.
Did anyone bother to ASK How much MOney the hospitals & doctors are PAID to push this covid narrative? Until they ask about the money they are not scratching the surface of this evil mandate.
If they uphold medical institution mandates would that destroy the medical field? Start a parallel system?
I'd think too, the fact it doesn't prevent infection or transmission should matter because otherwise there is no point in mandates.
Also the fact that we is know the death Rates in the workforce has gone up 40% seems pretty obvious why, with people just dropping dead
Ultimately we know mandates violate both the NC and the Constitution
I don't think it's as many people leaving the medical system as we may imagine. I don't know if you all remember the protests but nurses at Houston Methodist medical centers, they were in the news for a bit. Out of over 61 thousand medical employees total at their facilities, only about 150-200 people actually quit or were fired for non compliance with the vaccine mandates. That percentage of those actually quitting vs the number staying is not enough to create a parallel medical system. Maybe you could have a couple rather small clinics, but very low numbers quitting in any given area don't create a very big surplus of health workers at all.
Please watch Dr David Martin the illusion of knowledge. He is right..we thought we knew who the top bad guys are but he just said who it was. Every time I listen to this guy more illusions shatter.
I urge you to listen cos we are fighting in the dark until we know the truth. He got Jenner right .. nasty eugenist...reassured me he was pulling no punches but I had no knowledge of what he went on to say..
Key justices appeared potentially more sympathetic to the healthcare mandate, however, with Kavanaugh noting that Republican state officials were challenging the requirement, but the medical facilities actually affected by the mandate "in fact overwhelmingly appear to support" the rule.
I thought we were a Constitutional Republic? The majority don't get to violate the individual's God given rights no matter how many people want to. If it has so much support, why the mandate? People would do it voluntarily. This decision does not need to be "left up to Congress" this is unconstitutional.
I really hope things start coming to a head; but even with this, I don't think we're "at the precipice".. I get the feeling it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The DS is not going to go quietly, they will be kicking and screaming the entire way and will try to do as much damage as possible. I think right now the best thing people can do is speak truth. Truth will be the lifeboat for those caught up in this storm of lies, and the more people you can save the better.
I don't even understand how something so blantaly fuckking obviously unconstitutional, that not only is there a constitution against it but a whole series of laws is being reviewed by scotus. The world is broke, time for us to fix it.
Who owns John Roberts? Who really owns John Roberts? The Maxwell trial and the verdict are playing a role. Will she sing? If so, does she finger Roberts or pass? If she doesn't sing, will Roberts feel safe?
Healthcare mandate is even more illegal than private businesses.
Taxpayer money goes into Medicare and Medicaid so healthcare "facilities" that use it are receiving federal funds, paid for by the population that the Constitution protects, without our permission.
They simply cannot do that. It's even more unconstitutional because the federal government is even more directly involved.
Let us not forget "Johnsheretohelp" whistle on John Roberts. He is seriously compromised. His forcing the mandate into play would intentionally cause the civil unrest needed to enter in the November midterms under some form of lockdown.
why are they even discussing who is in favor or not? I thought their job was to question the Constitutionality of it all.
Fuck John Roberts
Theology, politics, drama, it's all there. No constitutionality, just theatre.
This ^
and Trump appointed these two clowns. WTF???
Exactly however this court seems to have forgotten The Constitution is the supreme law over our country.
Is it though, if it isn’t followed/enforced!?!
My point, exactly they no longer follow the law of our country.
100%
No one seems to be questioning whether the vaccine limits transmission. Since it doesn’t why is the mandate even paying the smoke test
Vaccine effectiveness is irrelevant at this point. This is about freedom of choice. Even if the vaccine gave super powers that is still no excuse to mandate it.
Agree but still annoys me to listen to them talk about it like it has superpowers.
Fair.
Indeed we are... Or maybe we were just being reasonable and amicable to our neighbors... Either way if we need an Amendment that states "under no circumstance are these rights ever to be suspended" then so be it. I'm at the point where the Fed needs to be completely stripped of all "emergency" power. Only states should have such and even that needs to be reexamined.
Yeah the medical facilities support the mandate because they are probably getting a kickback for supporting it. Probably because they are fudging death records saying people are dying of c-19 after they kill them with their “protocols”, and getting fat checks for doing it. They are following their puppet masters in big pharma, scratching each other’s backs.
I've heard that hospitals get up to $100,000 per dead Covid patient. Nah, no incentives there! Incentives for remdesivir (50% chance of shutting your organs down), incentives for venting (kiss of death, fibrosis of the lungs, etc.). Why would they complain about this? They could lose A LOT of money.
They get 20,000 a head for treating with remdesivir. that is documented. Someone just found the paper trail last week
Imagine what else is happening?
Well, $14,000 just for being admitted with covid. No wonder tests are "free." And $40,000 if your vented.
https://www.brightworkresearch.com/how-the-us-covid-treatment-protocol-maximized-hospital-admissions-and-deaths/
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$13,000 for a positive COVID test result and hospitalization.
$39,000 for putting a patient with a positive COVID test on a ventilator.
$48,000 for a COVID patient that dies in the hospital.
That's a cool $100,000. But they also get a 20% bonus based on the patient's entire hospital bill if they prescribe Remdesivir instead of other medications.
Essentially the federal government is bribing hospitals to generate as many positive COVID test results as possible (40+ amplification cycles ftw!), and then to murder the patients with ventilators and Remdesivir.
I was on oxygen in hospital for 16 days, no less than 8 different people asked me if I was going to take remdesivir. I refused it. They also push the vaccine while your in there, my response "Still using fetal cell lines". My god these people are children, from the eye rolls to the smartass comments when you say no to something. I also had to smuggle ivermectin in, first hospital said i could bring it in and then threw my friend out when he arrived, they think they have you by the balls and it is close to forced imprisonment, but you can sign yourself out at any time. I left the first hospital and went to another.
Yeah doc, im already fighting an infection, but somehow that vaccine is gonna help now
They talk to you about vaccinating six weeks after your infection. We don’t even have Covid vaccines in my hospital. We have flu shots but it’s policy not to carry Covid since we can’t give them anyway once you are sick.
Yes, remember you go there by yourself and ask them for help. If I don’t like a business, I don’t sign a contract for their services. You can cancel your contract as long as you aren’t putting yourself in danger.
Although Twitter doc said he allowed a dying Covid patient to sign out. He got halfway across the parking lot and passed out due to lack of oxygen. ER doc ready to put in intubation but other doc came and stopped him relaying the patient signed himself out refusing care. The patient died.
So it’s a bold move, but they are willing now to say even if they die we will respect their wishes. Not so much with little old ladies or men which could be argued they were demented and vulnerable, but they are willing to let adults die if they refused care now. Seems like a great win for medical freedom.
Exactly u/GimmeMemes 👈🏻 BOOM!
And every damn doctor and nurse knows what is going on, but very few are blowing the whistle to speak the truth and prevent cold blooded murder.
I believe "I was just following orders" didn't hold up in the Nuremberg Trials.
Event 201 predicted that the public would eventually turn against the heath care workers
Laundered tax money everywhere!
They should do what is best for the people.
And what is best for the people is freedom.
Even if it's freedom to fuck up and die of a disease. Any disease. Whether it's a pandemic or 'plandemic' doesn't matter. If you don't want a tetanus shot or a covid jab, that should be on you, not the government.
Free to choose. Not free from consequences. That's what our country is/was/should be built on.
I don't need or want a baby sitter or nanny state. I want to be free. To live my life, and make it great (or fuck it up) as i will it.
That's freedom.
The indiscriminate surveillance? The cancel culture? The threat of not having a job if you don't take the jab?
That's terror. Terror built into the system.
Freedom loving patriots don't negotiate with terrorists.
Right on.
Exactly spot on.
Their idea of "free of consequences" is removing everything you can do in the name of protecting people.
Cancel culture is the extension of your idea of freedom of choice not freedom from consequences. If plenty of other people want to use the free market and freedom of speech to "cancel" someone or boycott them or whatever else it may look like, it's utilizing the same freedoms you're advocating for. Just a note for internal consistency.
100%!! It should never have to get to this point.... we need to make sure that nothing like this can ever be "mandated" again... we have God-given rights that cannot be taken away by any man or government.
It’s still a fucking experiment.
These dumb corrupt mother fuckers aren’t even arguing about a drug that’s been approved. It shouldn’t be at the Supreme Court. It’s not even a real fucking drug.
I wish this fucking shot was just instantly fatal. All the lefties and half these court idiots would be gone and we wouldn’t have to worry about it.
Good, I hope everyone is ready, I’m staying firm even if it means losing my job.
What's this about Roberts and Epstein? I saw Wood make that accusation, but I never saw any evidence, so if you have some, I'd be interested in seeing it.
I thought it was some sort of "John Roberts" listed, but it may have been a lawyer with the same name of I remember some digging that was done. It's a fairly bland or common type name, and does not necessarily implicate the John Roberts on the supreme court
https://files.catbox.moe/auplzi.PNG
But that's not John Roberts. I see no resemblance. Are you sure?
Edit: It's pretty clearly not. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/posts-misidentify-man-shown-in-photo-with-ghislaine-maxwell/ And if you don't trust these sources, what sources do you trust and how are they more trustworthy than these?
Looks like Roberts with messed up hair to me.
Now tell me this one doesn't look like Roberts.
https://greerjournal.com/the-reason-chief-justice-roberts-is-being-blackmailed/
I can't believe you actually tried to use factcheck on this site as proof. Come on man.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2923825/posts
OSHA vaccine strike
It’s not about the medical corporations. It’s about the individuals working within those companies who do not want injected with government experiments.
I don't give a shit what the GMO treatment does or doesn't do, I don't give a shit if medical institutions support the mandate and I don't give a shit what agency is used to enforce the mandate.
The entire thing is unconstitutional on its face and should be thrown out post haste.
These should never be called "Vaccine Mandates". They are "Mandatory Enrollment in Phase 3 Clinical Trials Mandates".
What I haven't heard in the arguments YET ... is how in the hell can ANYONE "mandate" an EMERGENCY USE ONLY drug that has NOT been approved ... AND the fact that the pharm companies will NOT provide the ingredients of their drug, OR the adverse reactions?
Lots of drugs are FDA approved,
and yet, you still need a prescription
They literally called them FDA approved vaccines! I heard it with my own ears and couldn't believe it. I can't remember which justice said it.
Peak clown world! All reason and logical thinking has been thrown out in favor of irrational, emotional, and downright dangerous decisions. It's like we're living through a very long episode of the twilight zone. Let's just hope we wake up from this nightmare soon!
What I find interesting that does not get much attention is the OSHA fines. The fines for noncompliance are up to about 14K per employee and can be multipled exponentially if the employer does not comply further. These fines are deemed serious offenses. You can search the OSHA database to get an idea of fines - you see a lot in construction, etc for obvious reasons but also in healthcare - I think the primary offense has to do with unsafe blood issues - disposing improper, etc. So while this is being presented under the guise of employee health, there is a level of lying by omission here.
BTW - OSHA fines are not tax deductible. And the money collected from the fines goes to the US Treasury general fund. It does not go to OSHA.
8th amendment
How are American citizens who work in healthcare any different form anyone else. Makes no sense that these are even two separate cases.
They mentioned they deal with a lot of blood and bodily fluids. They've also already mandated the flu shot for the medical field, unless religious or medical exemption is granted.
There is no mandate for flu vaccines. Been nursing for 20 years and I do not take that shit.
Oh. Must be my local medical facilities policy. I noticed it a few years ago when I was job searching. All the jobs at the local hospitals said they require annual flu shots unless there was a medical or religious reason. They also do not hire anyone who smokes. 🤷♀️
Reject the frame that your religious “exemption” is subject to someone elses opinion
Still illegal as it's experimental. Under the NC, in a normal year or decade, it would be ruled unConstitutional. To me that's the central argument. It's not approved.
I was going insane when one of the SC Judges stated (this is not word for word) that HHS can tell hospitals that they should wash their hands and wear protective equipment, why can't we tell them to take a vaccine? My eyes almost rolled out of their sockets.
Did anyone bother to ASK How much MOney the hospitals & doctors are PAID to push this covid narrative? Until they ask about the money they are not scratching the surface of this evil mandate.
Who cares what they say? They have no dominion over anyone.
Not one mention of EUA status.
If they uphold medical institution mandates would that destroy the medical field? Start a parallel system?
I'd think too, the fact it doesn't prevent infection or transmission should matter because otherwise there is no point in mandates. Also the fact that we is know the death Rates in the workforce has gone up 40% seems pretty obvious why, with people just dropping dead Ultimately we know mandates violate both the NC and the Constitution
I don't think it's as many people leaving the medical system as we may imagine. I don't know if you all remember the protests but nurses at Houston Methodist medical centers, they were in the news for a bit. Out of over 61 thousand medical employees total at their facilities, only about 150-200 people actually quit or were fired for non compliance with the vaccine mandates. That percentage of those actually quitting vs the number staying is not enough to create a parallel medical system. Maybe you could have a couple rather small clinics, but very low numbers quitting in any given area don't create a very big surplus of health workers at all.
I do think if the medical people keep getting boosters the system will eventually implode anyway as all our educated providers begin to die off.
More deaths will follow if the medical system is crippled. Just be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
Agree. The IN life Insurance report of 40%increase in deaths (not from Covid) is very telling of how things may play out.
“Medical facilities overwhelmingly support the mandate”...
If that was true, they would have achieved herd immunity voluntarily.
Please watch Dr David Martin the illusion of knowledge. He is right..we thought we knew who the top bad guys are but he just said who it was. Every time I listen to this guy more illusions shatter.
I urge you to listen cos we are fighting in the dark until we know the truth. He got Jenner right .. nasty eugenist...reassured me he was pulling no punches but I had no knowledge of what he went on to say..
The top bad guys have scaly skin and vertical pupils. Just sayin...
Is this their get out of jail free card! Aliens made me do it? I dunno
Dr. David Martin Exposes
https://humansarefree.com/2021/11/dr-david-martin-exposes-the-names-and-faces-of-the-people-who-are-killing-humanity.html
Isn't all this a shocker!!
Yes, because I’ve never heard of the majority of these people or companies.
The justices are not Doctors and should be discussing Fed versus State powers and not bringing up bullshit figures like they are facts
I thought we were a Constitutional Republic? The majority don't get to violate the individual's God given rights no matter how many people want to. If it has so much support, why the mandate? People would do it voluntarily. This decision does not need to be "left up to Congress" this is unconstitutional.
I really hope things start coming to a head; but even with this, I don't think we're "at the precipice".. I get the feeling it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The DS is not going to go quietly, they will be kicking and screaming the entire way and will try to do as much damage as possible. I think right now the best thing people can do is speak truth. Truth will be the lifeboat for those caught up in this storm of lies, and the more people you can save the better.
I don't even understand how something so blantaly fuckking obviously unconstitutional, that not only is there a constitution against it but a whole series of laws is being reviewed by scotus. The world is broke, time for us to fix it.
I wonder how many will go through it anyway. US banks looks to be heading the way on Wall Street.
Who owns John Roberts? Who really owns John Roberts? The Maxwell trial and the verdict are playing a role. Will she sing? If so, does she finger Roberts or pass? If she doesn't sing, will Roberts feel safe?
Healthcare mandate is even more illegal than private businesses.
Taxpayer money goes into Medicare and Medicaid so healthcare "facilities" that use it are receiving federal funds, paid for by the population that the Constitution protects, without our permission.
They simply cannot do that. It's even more unconstitutional because the federal government is even more directly involved.
Let us not forget "Johnsheretohelp" whistle on John Roberts. He is seriously compromised. His forcing the mandate into play would intentionally cause the civil unrest needed to enter in the November midterms under some form of lockdown.