We all need to set aside our differences and support right to repair
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Companies are screwing farmers over by telling them lies about being able to repair. Farmers have been doing this for decades and now are barred from doing so? Big corporations must be stopped!
Also from another farmer: As a farmer their is why I buy Kubota. They not only allow me to repair my own tractors and zero turn, they give me a “how to” exploded diagram on repairing that part! I LOVE THEM! Their a lil cheaper, self repair and have lasted longer then ANY Deere we’ve ever owned.
The older generation seems stuck on deere for some reason...
Ironically my dad who is sort of old school like that poopooed JD when I asked him what happened to his old riding lawnmower and why the new one wasn't a JD. I think some people are starting to figure out JD doesn't have their best interests at heart. Pretty sure the only reason his tractor is JD is because its older and he repairs it.
Deere is garbage equipment these days.
The only JD piece of equipment my father ever had on his farm was a 290 pull type swather (one you attach to the back of a tractor to use). Every other tractor, piece of machinery, and even lawn mowers were all various other manufacturers like Case, MF, Roper and more. He would not touch JD because their parts were outrageously priced and always had to be shipped from the United States.
Not every farmer was dumb as to fall into the JD trap.
P.S. A little fun fact about that "green" paint. That particular color of paint is somehow copyrighted much like the way that that particular color or red for Coke is also protected. You want some JD "green" to patch up blotches on your machinery well that's gonna cost you. Also not 100 percent sure on this but I was told by a dealer that they internally call their "green" paint "JD Orange." and I think it also has something to do with the same copyright bull so internally they called it by a completely different color. Keep in mind this was some 30+ years ago so things have likely changed if this was ever true.
Sorry, I was rambling. Carry on.
Because many, many companies have gone from producing quality, long-lasting products to deliberately producing lower-quality products with earlier expiration dates and "planned obsolescence". Greed.
Might be one of the reasons why a new combine costs $900k
WTF. I guarantee me and my dad could fix a fucking Linux anything better than some technician who went to a class and knows nothing about computers. I have 30 fucking years playing with BSDi, HP-UX, SCO, FreeBSD, and Linux systems. Hell my very first computer was SCO Xenix. Linux didn't even fucking exist. Guess who gave it to me? My dad.
I'm headed down to the farm when I move so I guess I'll run into this bullshit soon enough.
SCO - have not heard that in a while - is it still supported? I was an application guy, not systems, back in the day but it seems like SCO was popular in certain sectors because you could get a source copy and make mods + multi-user on a PC. Sorry for the aside - just curious for info from someone more current - I left that life in '93 when things were shifting from text based to WYSIWYG. I worked mostly in the DEC world.
SCO was great up until the late 90s when they were bought out and decided to ditch their old version because it was too hard to upgrade it and bought a monstrosity that barely worked. At the time I wasn't really tracking what SCO was doing and assumed it was still a great OS. I took a job working with it and the biggest problem was that it's network drivers were just utter shit. We were doing Y2K upgrades and the OS itself was the problem. I tried to convince them to let me use FreeBSD and of course they wouldn't.
That's why you don't hear about SCO any more. They imploded. By Y2K their products were junk. I saw it first hand. With Linux and FreeBSD out there and free with no licenses etc there just wasn't a market for it any more.
Thanks for the SCO history lesson, fren.
You can probably make a living jailbreaking tractors.
People would be shocked to know that our military is caught up in the same trap of being essentially at the mercy of tech corporations. The US military cannot repair much of its own equipment. That was partially behind why Trump brought back the B-52 - we can fix the damn things ourselves. This is a huge national security issue and no one is talking about it. I hope this issue over Deere opens that topic up for the serious discussion it deserves.
The U.S. Military Has a 'Right to Repair' Problem
Strange how the japanese sometimes " get it " more than an american company.
They're ahead of us in technology.
Not always, but they master it.
America invents. Japan masters. China copies.
Back in the day, I did most of my own automotive work and repaired things like TV's. Things like tubes, capacitors, resistors were standardized enough so that consumers could keep things going for a reasonable cost if they were willing to put the effort in. Too much "black box" stuff these days. Congress is doing us dirt.
Yeah, this is why Radio Shack is dying. Back in the 80s we lived in Radio Shack. My dad was always making us help him fix something and he made us learn those stupid color codes for resisters etc.
All I did was check to see if they still had a web page. I haven't been in one in like a decade or more. They're dead enough that I wasn't sure. So I decided to play it safe in my wording. :)
Still have a meter I built from one of their kits. Remember the days when I would bring a bag of tubes to test at the "Tube Tester."
Kek. My dad build a TV from a kit he bought. By the time I was old enough to do anything real tubes were fading away, but I remember them. Somewhere around here I still have his card punch though.
Still have some Heathkits, all TTL though.
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That's not cool. I get you are doing the resistor codes, but there are better versions to share.
Fair point. That's just the one my dad taught me.
Edited to be less offensive.
Are there Radio Shack stores anywhere anymore?
They still have a web page but I couldn't find a store finder thingy. They did have a link to become an affiliate... shrug. They only one I knew of still around in Tucker GA is gone. At least I'm pretty sure its gone and has been for a long time.
Lucky you. The only Radio Shack near me closed about eight years ago. I spent many hours there with my husband and children. They loved the place.
There are no more stand-alone Radio Shack stores, but there are "authorized dealers", which is what you found. They still have a fairly extensive inventory on the radioshack.com website, which I'm glad to know about, because I dabble a little in electronics, and wasn't sure where to find stuff.
As a teenager, before I went to college, worked at an automobile service station. We did engine overhauls, body work, etc. Owner was successful. Today it's very different.
Farmers are pissed and rightfully so: https://youtu.be/EPYy_g8NzmI
So true, for some reason this REALLY hits a nerve.
and rightfully so.
Because farmers fix their own shit. Farms run on ultra thin margins. If you had to send your equipment out every time it was down, you'd be in the poor house...Part of farmin' IS fixin. You'll learn all about fixing fences, to keep the animals on the property, hydraulics, driveshafts, cooling systems, air pressures and corn stalks, ether and glow plugs... it's a constant learning curve in this master's course... but wait, there's more! By the time you get real good, you'll be too old to matter anymore, you'll be invisible to most, and ridiculed for being a knuckle dragging farmer that fed people...no such thing as a dumb farmer.
Question: you know how biden is pushing for auto-stop technology in vehicles? Is this a capability included in newer farm equipment as well?
You see where I'm going with this, right?
Think how easy it would be to cripple farmers/food production by simply putting a 'stop' on their equipment. Either they bow down or they can't farm. And we don't eat.
Something to consider...
The farmers near me use horses. They make their own moonshine too.
Isn’t particularly secret.
No matter how flashy and smooth the product/UI. The backend systems of most major corporations and probably the majority of brick and mortar small scale Businesses are patched together Frankenstein like abominations. Created and kept running by the blood, sweat, and tears of legions of IT guys and programmers. Not to mention copious amounts of metaphorical duck tape.
Small businesses have like, two dudes in a 2 foot by 2 foot closet sitting on each other's laps (at the same time) because the other foot has an ancient Windows 98 PC with a 4:3 CRT on top of it
Excellent point
What's Dominion run on? I remember it was something outdated and easily hackable but I cant remember the OS.
Biden supposedly signed an Executive Order for Right to Repair (one of the rare things I'd give him a thumbs up for).
I was expecting Louis Rossmann to talk more about it, or bring it up more (as to why nothing's been done since that was done like 1.5 years or so ago), but most of the times when I flip on it's some randomness going on with his life and I don't visit youtube as often as more for such updates.
Executive order referenced (haven't read):
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/07/09/fact-sheet-executive-order-on-promoting-competition-in-the-american-economy/
Rossmann's initial video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-qEDjUJYY
I don't know what's happening with that executive order either. I'd be curious to see if that executive order even has bite. Because it's actually a good one if nothing else was shoehorned into it.
Right to Repair is integral. We own our hardware, we do not license it. Also, by making our software dependent on what is essentially NFTs (e.g. face/touch ID not working when display is replaced with identical display, or slowing phones down, etc.) it is exclusively there to make more money at the consumer's (hefty) expense.
If I buy a $1200 phone, I want to be able to repair it for a couple hundred dollars rather than dump another $1200. But the hoops and cost of going through Apple directly is ridiculous.
Agreed, big tech making stuff intentionally non-repairable is a huge problem. However, there is another huge problem: Biden was never duly elected, he got in by fraud. And as far as I'm aware, anyone who got into office by fraud - any laws or policies created are invalid and null and void. Whether they are "good" or "bad".
Stuff like this, doesn't it make you start to question - if the plan was to make the Dems and Biden expose themselves and how they are doing everything bad, why this? Doesn't it then give normies the ammo to say "see? Biden isn't all bad, he's just a poor old man and all that pedo talk is just conspiracy theories"
I dunno, if they try to argue that because he does one thing that is beneficial then they're actually even more unintelligible than I even thought.
One unequally good deed (that seems unenforced) does not absolve the sins of hundreds or thousands of bad ones.
Rossmann is a well-meaning idiot who made his workers wear masks.
I think you may have hit the nail there - he (Biden) does ONE good thing and it does not get enforced...but...his defenders can then point to that ONE good thing as an accomplishment, Maybe he signed that order and never had any intention of it being enforced. It does not have to make sense, just be there as an example for his defenders so THEY can justify their support of Biden to themselves.
Or you can do like me; buy a Tracfone for $40 (a "smartphone" but without ability to load apps), and pay $28 every 3 months for all the voice and text you would likely need. Anything more, you just use a laptop. The slavery to smart phones that pervades the U.S. still amazes me.
Agreed, big tech making stuff intentionally non-repairable is a huge problem. However, there is another huge problem: Biden was never duly elected, he got in by fraud. And as far as I'm aware, anyone who got into office by fraud - any laws or policies created are invalid and null and void. Whether they are "good" or "bad".
Stuff like this, doesn't it make you start to question - if the plan was to make the Dems and Biden expose themselves and how they are doing everything bad, why this? Doesn't it then give normies the ammo to say "see? Biden isn't all bad, he's just a poor old man and all that pedo talk is just conspiracy theories"
There are some legit things the classical liberals have issue over. How they want to solve them, however, is often problematic.
Right to repair, helping the poor, healthy food, etc.
So long as it's designed this way legitimately because it is cheaper and lasts longer, that is fine. It seems that too many companies are designing things intentionally to limit their repairability.
By who? And how is this different from all the decades in the past with the same issues? People have been working on their own cars that literally run via controlled explosions and this problem of DIYers doing dangerous repairs is minimal.
This is bullshit. An 80s Japanese car lasts forever and is easy to repair, but doesn't look like a Russian tank. It also has all the features I want, but I could see wanting some more modern features. But these modern features could easily be integrated into the existing design without making it look like a Russian tank.
The same goes for phones. Older smart phones were easy to repair and had the features we want, but didn't look like a Russian tank. Sure, they weren't as slim, but "Russian tank" is a bit of a hyperbole. I don't think anyone actually cares about how slim their phone is, especially when they're putting it in a bulky "drop proof" case anyway. It's just marketing that tells us we want that.
I highly disagree. The government does not require anything that cannot be made in a cheap, repairable, and still attractive looking manner.
The electronic complexity of cars hasn't gone up "70%" due to government regulation.
We managed to switch from carbs to EFI while still retaining a high degree of repairability. The electronic complexity of cars then went up infinitely (from nearly zero electronics to a computer controlling the engine), yet the cars were still very repairable. Sure, there were people complaining at the time, because it was new and there was a learning curve, but parts were available, and we mechanics/DIYers weren't arbitrarily locked out.
As time went on, that repairability waned, primarily due to artificial means.
Meanwhile, for the combine that just broke down for the hundredth time, my husband's boss must pay yet another $2k to have yet another young book-learned idiot come "fix" it. He can't figure out whats wrong, doesn't fix anything, but still gets paid.
Try to keep older cars running. In another 5-10 years all the new vehicles that operate with computers and wires are going to crap out and be nightmares to trouble shoot and fix. Junk yards will be overrun with hopelessly dead used parts piles. Wires and connectors only last so long out on the road getting shaken every day...
This 👆👆👆 My dad taught me a car is simply to get you from point A to point B. Everything else is pointless (insert expensive). My jeep has 260k on her and rides cross country like a boss. I have amazing mechanics who duct tape the things they can and fix the things that need it. One day, old cars are going to be more valuable than all the bells and whistles… bc they can still be “worked on”. Then came along the climate change, inflation reduculous act. Buy an old car.
Planned obsolence is a bitch. But wires will last ages, being shaken is not a problem if properly secured and rated. Connectors with proper tolerances also will survive.
You're more likely to have a malfunction from solder cracking from extreme temperatures than just that.
I had an 03 VW that had insulation flaking off of a few wires. Loved the car for ten years until it turned into a Jeckel/Hide monster. Some mornings it would start and run like it was new. Some mornings it would start in limp mode. It kept life interesting like that in the last couple of years I had it. I also live where salt is used to melt snow/ice and destroy motor vehicles -corroded grounding points and corroded everything is exasperating.
I hadn't considered the salt aspect. We really need a better way of dealing with ice.
Ya mean like this?
Could've spent all that Ukraine money on an infrastructure project like this. Would've been cool.
Conservatives seem to be opposed to costly infrastructure improvements, even when they're actually improvements that improve our lives, efficiency and longevity of things.
Roads in general get destroyed by salt (especially since for some reason cities use shitty mixes not designed for it, and it's so bad you can see concrete from 50 years ago lasting longer than new concrete..) so by reducing the amount needed we would have to replace our roads less often too
Cars have been operating with computers and wires for decades without turning into a hopeless pile of parts after 5-10 years.
if that's the case... farmers can no longer be assumed to BUY John Deere... plenty of other options out there..... the sad thing is that they make billions in profit fixing inferior machinery. that's just like drug companies.... keep people sick so they can sell them drugs.
Farmers are mechanics with a serious gardening hobby.
Watch you some good YouTube farming channels and learn. Their shit is high tech. They spend a ton of time doing maintenance and when stuff breaks in the field they don’t have time to load up that heavy equipment and take it in for service.
Its just more proof we don't actually "own" what we buy. Our cell phones are, legally, owned by the phone manufacturer, which is why they can force your phone to update and kill your battery life to "encourage" you to buy a newer model.
Farmers don't "own" their tractors, and John Deere is trying to force them into expensive repairs that farmers typically would do themselves to avoid downtime at critical times of the year, like planting and harvest.
It's like Apple got into the farm implement business except way worse!
Unbelievable Deere sells their ungodly priced equipment as such, if they want to hold such a power over buyers than they should only lease/rent equipment. If you buy something it's yours, you bought it and can do with it what you like.
Get over yourselves guys. Shit, most farmers I've known are gear heads and have seriously built muscle cars or pickups.
I like open designs anyone can work with
however look in to "right to repair", sometimes they're trying to create regulations to force businesses to make products a certain way
instead people should openly build good designs, create and support those businesses, then the businesses with nonrepairable designs can be defeated voluntarily without relying on the government
Yeah but considering JD, what they are doing is nefarious. Owners void their warranties if caught doing any kind of major repair work to their equipment.
right so we need to start other companies and support them
JD shouldn't get the business as they've shown they're not a good company
Agreed and absolutely correct.
This is old news though. Farmers been talking about JD strangling them by the short hairs with warranty nullification for well over a decade now.
The fine print when you buy a new JD implement figuratively says "XXX,XXX runtime/hr powertrain warranty..... But, if we discover you've done so much as any repair work then your warranty is voided and licensed JD retailers cannot sell you parts".
So basically, they are forcing all new owners of their implements to be slaves to the "dealership" for any and all repair work. It's nothing more than a huge money grab. The secondary side effects are what they are. Desirable to JD? Perhaps. Desirable in the grand scheme of all things controlled by wicked corporate interests and oversight? Sure. But the bottom line is always $$$.
We must reclaim our independence and autonomy at all levels
This is important. Needs to be for everyone...
This is with everything. Cars and computers especially. If I can't put linux or BSD on my computer without breaking the warranty, F you. If I can't wrote my own software to solve problems specific to my needs, F you. If I can't replace parts in my computer, game console, car, home appliance, etc, F you!
Good Shit
Louis Rossman is doing good work pushing for that.
https://www.wired.com/story/john-deere-tractor-jailbreak-defcon-2022/
https://securityledger.com/2021/04/deere-john-researcher-warns-ag-giants-site-provides-a-map-to-customers-equipment/
The researcher known as “Sick Codes” (@sickcodes) published two advisories on Thursday warning about the flaws in the myjohndeere.com web site and the John Deere Operations Center web site and mobile applications. In a conversation with Security Ledger, the researcher said that a he was able to use VINs (vehicle identification numbers) taken from a farm equipment auction site to identify the name and physical address of the owner. Furthermore, a flaw in the myjohndeere.com website could allow an unauthenticated user to carry out automated attacks against the site, possibly revealing all the user accounts for that site.
How we hacked John Deere, Case Industrial and simulated an attack on the GLOBAL food supply chain.
14:33 https://twitter.com/sickcodes/status/1424522759053340677
I wonder if they like support inquiries.
And subscription services on vehicles. What the actual fuck are we doing to ourselves?