The morality here is clear. The Ukrainians were given clear orders to surrender, ample time to do it. The Wagner guy even tried to take their weapons, but they wouldn't give them. At any second during that engagement, they could have turned and fired. The kills were justified and completely legal acts of a soldier in war. Our inherent humanity cries out for these guys, of course. They were stunned and confused which is why they did nothing. The one guy looks like he'd already had an injury to his eye. It's well-known the Ukrainians are underfed, undersupplied, and being given little rest. Combat is exhausting. But if you're the other soldier, you just can't take the risk or they turn the gun on you and you're the war casualty and not them.
The best possible solution here is for the West to stop funding this nonsense, force Zelensky to the table and negotiate a peace. If Zelensky won't do it, he needs to be replaced with someone who will. And for the love of God, pick a guy who can wear a suit.
Take heed, hard for me to watch but chose to. This ain't no game, and God forbid this war, or any war, ever reaches our shores ever again. Actually, any shores. It's time we end this and finally reach that new age we keep hearing about.
The fair Lady Graham has made it clear how pleased she is that tools are in place to keep Ukraine fighting....down to the last man. This includes the kids that have no understanding of what is going on.
It’s terrible but war is HELL ON EARTH. Sitting in a foxhole scared shitless, adrenaline running 1000%, deaf from shooting and being shot at and then to have someone, with probably Slavic features, yelling at you and not knowing if it’s friend or foe…. You can’t comprehend due to confusion…they didn’t have a chance but they probably had more of a chance than most of their compatriots. Stop all war and once again thank President Trump for not getting us in any knew wars.
Hence why OG basic training seemed so appallingly brutal to emotional outsiders. That brutal training was designed to prepare recruits to SURVIVE real battles.
That means being able to handle insane STRESS which shuts down the ability to think and to be able to function on auto pilot when that happens.
It is an unfortunate reality of CQ infantry fighting that when bullets are flying and someone is too dazed/scared to think, giving them a second chance to do so can get you killed, many in that situation wouldn't even have tried to get them to surrender...
I actually feel for them as they were obviously paralyzed by fear, fear makes you do stupid shit and it impairs your ability to think.
Situational realities that I'm unaware of aside, if situation was still on-going I'm not sure I would have given them the chance to surrender....
If it was in the hole it would have been a can of cambells by the time he got there, he threw it too far and to the left hitting a point slightly lower than the top of the foxhole.
"Fear makes you do stupid shit and impairs your ability to think".
Very true. Toxic emotions, like booze, " impairs your ability to think".
That's why seducers first ply their victims with booze and why psyops peddlers use word and visual bait designed to trigger a toxic emotional reaction.
With the exception of fear(makes people self-centered and selfish) aren't really the problem as such, it's their efforts at removing the think part of the feel-think-act equation.........
Correct! They could have given up. They didn't. They didn't look all that well trained, but even my 12yo son would have known he was fucked. I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did. I don't think I would have given them that long.
How do you know these were Ukrainians that were conscripted against their will and not ukronazis there willingly? How are the Russian soldiers to know the difference?
They don't want to be there? they had a chance to surrender dipshit and be done with it. Use your head. They would have been out of the war instead they're dead.
Wow... like watching a video game. How desensitized I have become, and I don't even play video games.
This is tragic on a big scale. What a way to die. Even if they're the bad guys, do they really know that they are the bad guys--I mean, ask an American GI... does he know and believe the corruption of the MIC that has sent him into the field?
Ukraine's not the bad guy. Zelensky's been throwing the Ukrainian people under the bus with the help of Pelosi, Romney, and the like, and they're getting fat wallets from our tax dollars while they do it.
Every Ukrainian fighter left is not a nazi and has been forced to fight? Who's forcing them? Nazis? Is it safe to assume Zelensky is a bad dude who needs to die then? I don't know anything, just asking questions.
The comments in the Twitter link are an absolute look into the pure retardation that is allowed to spread by the mainstream media. Dozens of comments " I thought Russia hasn't gained an inch" " I thought Russia was losing" " Russia is losing if they have been at war for a year" etc. Send anyone of those numbnuts to the Frontline and have them shoot off a tweet about who is actually "losing" the war.
I noticed that. People are still very blue-pilled. They trust the MSM and believe they are well-informed and correct.
As much time as I spend on Telegram trying to get the other side of the story, as much as I listen to voices like Scott Ritter or Douglas McGregor, even I couldn't tell you a reasonable breakdown of killed/wounded on both sides. There's simply too much uncertainty with all of the lying that's being done by the people supplying the information.
I think it's fair for most of them not to understand. They don't understand Putin's goals so they don't know what he's trying to achieve. They don't understand the size of Ukraine or the scale of fighting, so they don't know why the lines on the map aren't moving. They aren't being told the truth about the attrition warfare strategy the Russians are employing. They're not in a position to understand. They're being deliberately lied to in order for the powers that be to justify the continued bleeding of the collective West's military strength and the theft of the financial aid being sent.
Perhaps some will wake up as Russia starts advancing, but I still think many are listening to the official party line that everything will change once Ukraine gets all of these new wonder weapons and uber soldiers being trained now in the West. Just wait til spring or summer. This war will go on for decades. That's what the Pentagon is planning for right now. Putin knows it and that's why he's moving very prudently. Personally, I wish he'd strike hard and fast and cut the head off the snake and force this war to a quick conclusion, but it's risky and the Russians seem to be very cautious still and respectful of NATO's abilities.
Friend of mine lives here and is from Ukraine. Her father left Ukraine early on when the war started and he could not return but her mother could go back and forth. It is a horrible war and when a leader leaves to have photo shoots in Vogue magazine, and has over a billion in his own bank account with his people starving and dying, tells you there are no winners in war except maybe the leaders of each country!
Best possible solution is the one that most quickly ends the war.
For me, the lessons of the A-bomb are clear here. If you have a recalcitrant enemy who'll never surrender. You have to show him overwhelming force. You have to show him his situation is hopeless. To be 110% clear, I do not support using nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons to do this. With precision-guided weapons such things are no longer necessary.
But Russia should consider a "shock and awe" campaign to blitz the reported ~60,000 defenders of Bakhmut. The enormous Russian force in Belarus probably needs to be brought into the fight. The West have to see that this proxy war is a failure. The lines on the map have to move.
Man after watching the Christchurch video on the chans before it was scrubbed, nothing gets to me any more. That video was brutal. This one is bad too, but nothing compared to the Christchurch one.
I saw the Buffalo shooting. It was downright eerie and stuck with me. It was psychotic. He was so nonchalant and looks like he’s playing Call of Duty as NPCs hit the ground. FUBAR. What kind of human being can do something like that?
I kinda felt bad for them tbh. They didn't act very aggressive, and were more dazed and confused more than anything, almost like they didn't even know how to surrender. Like they were just grabbed off of the streets, given a uniform, a gun, minimal training, and sent into the meat grinder.
If the guy had let go of his gun, both of them would've probably lived.
He gave them more than ample opportunity to surrender, and they refused (mainly the dipshit on the right). They were just completely clueless... like they thought they were playing a game or something. Weird.
Still a lot of questions to be asked. But the main point is, a soldier was pointing a gun at these guys and screaming at them to "stop". He didn't shoot at them, just pointing his weapon at them. You would think their first instinct would be fight or flight, or raise up their hands regardless of whos side they thought he was on, but Zelenskys troops don't seem to have ANY training at all. Some were arguing they were shell shocked, which seems to be the case with all of the confusion but I know for a fact U.S. Marines would raise their hands or fight back, they've been trained thousands of hours to do this with muscle memory and that's why they are one of the best in the world. It's sad to have to see this though. You essentially have kids on the battlefield, with effectively 0 training. They were likely given a gun and some equipment and immediately told to defend an area or be thrown in prison and it's been like that for a year now.
They did not look ready to fight back but yet resisted. Their opponent was standing over them with rifle in hand. Their position was taken. Why play tug-o-war the gun? They didn't quite seem to know what was going on.
This is a very difficult and sad reality of war. The approaching soldier put his life in grave danger to give them an opportunity to surrender and live. He obviously didn't want them to die but they resisted too long and left the trained soldier with little choice in my opinion if he wanted to see his family again. The Ukrainian on the left would have likely survived if the one on the right would not have struggled with the Russian. It was a wartime decision, and no one can question that decision if you were not in the Russians shoes. They were in a pitched battle and in war your life is the most important one. The Russian made a decision, and it was probably the best one he had.
hmm this has to be fake...first off, who in war is going to be wearing YELLOW arm bands and orange tape on their weapons? Shot in the face at CLOSE range and when pans back to him at 1:19, no blood on face or even splatters on cinder block...
Ohhh, that would make a Big difference. The Ukies are known for shooting their own soldiers for not fighting. That's what I thought this was and to me explained their surprise and hesitation.
WARNING! This is a very raw and brutal video clip, but it demonstrates that all the Ukronazis had to do was surrender, but they chose not to.
The morality here is clear. The Ukrainians were given clear orders to surrender, ample time to do it. The Wagner guy even tried to take their weapons, but they wouldn't give them. At any second during that engagement, they could have turned and fired. The kills were justified and completely legal acts of a soldier in war. Our inherent humanity cries out for these guys, of course. They were stunned and confused which is why they did nothing. The one guy looks like he'd already had an injury to his eye. It's well-known the Ukrainians are underfed, undersupplied, and being given little rest. Combat is exhausting. But if you're the other soldier, you just can't take the risk or they turn the gun on you and you're the war casualty and not them.
The best possible solution here is for the West to stop funding this nonsense, force Zelensky to the table and negotiate a peace. If Zelensky won't do it, he needs to be replaced with someone who will. And for the love of God, pick a guy who can wear a suit.
🤢🤮
Take heed, hard for me to watch but chose to. This ain't no game, and God forbid this war, or any war, ever reaches our shores ever again. Actually, any shores. It's time we end this and finally reach that new age we keep hearing about.
The fair Lady Graham has made it clear how pleased she is that tools are in place to keep Ukraine fighting....down to the last man. This includes the kids that have no understanding of what is going on.
u/#correct
It’s terrible but war is HELL ON EARTH. Sitting in a foxhole scared shitless, adrenaline running 1000%, deaf from shooting and being shot at and then to have someone, with probably Slavic features, yelling at you and not knowing if it’s friend or foe…. You can’t comprehend due to confusion…they didn’t have a chance but they probably had more of a chance than most of their compatriots. Stop all war and once again thank President Trump for not getting us in any knew wars.
Hence why OG basic training seemed so appallingly brutal to emotional outsiders. That brutal training was designed to prepare recruits to SURVIVE real battles.
That means being able to handle insane STRESS which shuts down the ability to think and to be able to function on auto pilot when that happens.
It is an unfortunate reality of CQ infantry fighting that when bullets are flying and someone is too dazed/scared to think, giving them a second chance to do so can get you killed, many in that situation wouldn't even have tried to get them to surrender...
I actually feel for them as they were obviously paralyzed by fear, fear makes you do stupid shit and it impairs your ability to think.
Situational realities that I'm unaware of aside, if situation was still on-going I'm not sure I would have given them the chance to surrender....
If it was in the hole it would have been a can of cambells by the time he got there, he threw it too far and to the left hitting a point slightly lower than the top of the foxhole.
"Fear makes you do stupid shit and impairs your ability to think".
Very true. Toxic emotions, like booze, " impairs your ability to think".
That's why seducers first ply their victims with booze and why psyops peddlers use word and visual bait designed to trigger a toxic emotional reaction.
With the exception of fear(makes people self-centered and selfish) aren't really the problem as such, it's their efforts at removing the think part of the feel-think-act equation.........
Correct! They could have given up. They didn't. They didn't look all that well trained, but even my 12yo son would have known he was fucked. I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did. I don't think I would have given them that long.
War is hell.
How do you know these were Ukrainians that were conscripted against their will and not ukronazis there willingly? How are the Russian soldiers to know the difference?
They don't want to be there? they had a chance to surrender dipshit and be done with it. Use your head. They would have been out of the war instead they're dead.
Civil discussion only, frog.
You have no previous notes on you, so here's a friendly warning. We're all in this together.
u/#wwg1wga
Are you saying they'll be shot by their own if they surrender?
Because what you said makes zero sense. Which sounds as dumb as our enemies.
Imagine dying via ak47 at point blank range so that Hunter can smoke crack and the demonrats can launder more money.
#Progress
Zelensky should be drawn and quartered.
And the liberals of the west cheer it on while boosting each other. What a fucked up time to be alive.
Wow... like watching a video game. How desensitized I have become, and I don't even play video games.
This is tragic on a big scale. What a way to die. Even if they're the bad guys, do they really know that they are the bad guys--I mean, ask an American GI... does he know and believe the corruption of the MIC that has sent him into the field?
Ukraine's not the bad guy. Zelensky's been throwing the Ukrainian people under the bus with the help of Pelosi, Romney, and the like, and they're getting fat wallets from our tax dollars while they do it.
I meant the nazis... those at the border sending the men back.
That's really tragic.
The messages still being circulated (even on this board) are that the Ukranian Nazis are still fighting.
But I don't doubt you.
Every Ukrainian fighter left is not a nazi and has been forced to fight? Who's forcing them? Nazis? Is it safe to assume Zelensky is a bad dude who needs to die then? I don't know anything, just asking questions.
They had a chance to stop and live. They chose death.
I'm with you. Totally agree.
If that man wanted a chance to see his wife and daughters again he would not have struggled to hold onto his rifle while being ordered to surrender.
Absolutely heart-breaking.
The comments in the Twitter link are an absolute look into the pure retardation that is allowed to spread by the mainstream media. Dozens of comments " I thought Russia hasn't gained an inch" " I thought Russia was losing" " Russia is losing if they have been at war for a year" etc. Send anyone of those numbnuts to the Frontline and have them shoot off a tweet about who is actually "losing" the war.
They obviously don't watch nearly enough Intel Slava Z.
Donbass Devushka on telegram has more of the like kind reports to Intel Slava Z.
I noticed that. People are still very blue-pilled. They trust the MSM and believe they are well-informed and correct.
As much time as I spend on Telegram trying to get the other side of the story, as much as I listen to voices like Scott Ritter or Douglas McGregor, even I couldn't tell you a reasonable breakdown of killed/wounded on both sides. There's simply too much uncertainty with all of the lying that's being done by the people supplying the information.
I think it's fair for most of them not to understand. They don't understand Putin's goals so they don't know what he's trying to achieve. They don't understand the size of Ukraine or the scale of fighting, so they don't know why the lines on the map aren't moving. They aren't being told the truth about the attrition warfare strategy the Russians are employing. They're not in a position to understand. They're being deliberately lied to in order for the powers that be to justify the continued bleeding of the collective West's military strength and the theft of the financial aid being sent.
Perhaps some will wake up as Russia starts advancing, but I still think many are listening to the official party line that everything will change once Ukraine gets all of these new wonder weapons and uber soldiers being trained now in the West. Just wait til spring or summer. This war will go on for decades. That's what the Pentagon is planning for right now. Putin knows it and that's why he's moving very prudently. Personally, I wish he'd strike hard and fast and cut the head off the snake and force this war to a quick conclusion, but it's risky and the Russians seem to be very cautious still and respectful of NATO's abilities.
Friend of mine lives here and is from Ukraine. Her father left Ukraine early on when the war started and he could not return but her mother could go back and forth. It is a horrible war and when a leader leaves to have photo shoots in Vogue magazine, and has over a billion in his own bank account with his people starving and dying, tells you there are no winners in war except maybe the leaders of each country!
Best possible solution is the one that most quickly ends the war.
For me, the lessons of the A-bomb are clear here. If you have a recalcitrant enemy who'll never surrender. You have to show him overwhelming force. You have to show him his situation is hopeless. To be 110% clear, I do not support using nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons to do this. With precision-guided weapons such things are no longer necessary.
But Russia should consider a "shock and awe" campaign to blitz the reported ~60,000 defenders of Bakhmut. The enormous Russian force in Belarus probably needs to be brought into the fight. The West have to see that this proxy war is a failure. The lines on the map have to move.
Wish I hadn't seen this
Sorry mate, I tried to flag it for the sensitive
It was marked sensitive on the twitter link.. I chose to click it.
I've seen worse
way worse.
After I saw the video of the two danish girls get executed in Morocco, not much can faze me.
Man after watching the Christchurch video on the chans before it was scrubbed, nothing gets to me any more. That video was brutal. This one is bad too, but nothing compared to the Christchurch one.
Tidbit: The Christchurch shooter had spent time in Ukraine training with the (CIA backed) Azov Brigade. Coincidence?
I saw the Buffalo shooting. It was downright eerie and stuck with me. It was psychotic. He was so nonchalant and looks like he’s playing Call of Duty as NPCs hit the ground. FUBAR. What kind of human being can do something like that?
"What kind of human being can do something like that"?
Someone who is no longer human?
Marked NSFW for you.
One of the two almost looked like he was ready to surrender
Glad you did. More people need to see war.
Idiot had lots of opportunity to shoot him and just was asking for it. Could have taken out a few but just ate lead like he was hungry for it.
Ukraine used to be listed on Wikipedia as the number two most corrupt country in the world. Guess that’s two less aholes to worry about.
I kinda felt bad for them tbh. They didn't act very aggressive, and were more dazed and confused more than anything, almost like they didn't even know how to surrender. Like they were just grabbed off of the streets, given a uniform, a gun, minimal training, and sent into the meat grinder.
If the guy had let go of his gun, both of them would've probably lived.
Fuck Around, Find Out.
He gave them more than ample opportunity to surrender, and they refused (mainly the dipshit on the right). They were just completely clueless... like they thought they were playing a game or something. Weird.
Another good reason to give up! Don't grab your rifle if it's empty unless you plan to use it as a club and keep fighting.
The guys in the trench looked disoriented, possibly concussed from the grenade or in shock, we'll never know.
This is combat. People die. Politicians send support. More people die.
We saw one brief scene from that soldier's perspective.
How many has he seen that will play over in his mind?
My heartfelt thoughts go out to all of those people, around the globe, affected by conflict.
This is just terrible. Although I have to say, the pro-Ukraine people have smiled when unarmed Russians were murdered. So, you get what you give.
They also cheer on the death of Ashli Babbitt.
Any russian fags get a translate on the dialogue… other than the obvious hurrrdurrr surrender narrative ?
https://targum.video/v/2023/01/11/244c8785519b3d1ed7a911eb9e71ec0a
Still a lot of questions to be asked. But the main point is, a soldier was pointing a gun at these guys and screaming at them to "stop". He didn't shoot at them, just pointing his weapon at them. You would think their first instinct would be fight or flight, or raise up their hands regardless of whos side they thought he was on, but Zelenskys troops don't seem to have ANY training at all. Some were arguing they were shell shocked, which seems to be the case with all of the confusion but I know for a fact U.S. Marines would raise their hands or fight back, they've been trained thousands of hours to do this with muscle memory and that's why they are one of the best in the world. It's sad to have to see this though. You essentially have kids on the battlefield, with effectively 0 training. They were likely given a gun and some equipment and immediately told to defend an area or be thrown in prison and it's been like that for a year now.
Yeah, i agree with all you said. I just wanted to know what the whole exchange was about rather than just surrender… thx for postin fren
The liars ehave the losers believing they are winning
They did not look ready to fight back but yet resisted. Their opponent was standing over them with rifle in hand. Their position was taken. Why play tug-o-war the gun? They didn't quite seem to know what was going on.
There was a time, not long ago, that this would've been censored on Twatter.
u/#LetTheSinkIn
Geez a little heads up that it contains deaths up close would have been nice. Holy fuck.
This is a very difficult and sad reality of war. The approaching soldier put his life in grave danger to give them an opportunity to surrender and live. He obviously didn't want them to die but they resisted too long and left the trained soldier with little choice in my opinion if he wanted to see his family again. The Ukrainian on the left would have likely survived if the one on the right would not have struggled with the Russian. It was a wartime decision, and no one can question that decision if you were not in the Russians shoes. They were in a pitched battle and in war your life is the most important one. The Russian made a decision, and it was probably the best one he had.
Choosing death over surrender probably means that surrender is the worst option. Russia is not kind to nazis, never have been.
I don't think they were talking about Zalinsky at the Golden Globes.
How very sad.
I read the comments as well.
People talked over these men's deaths like it was a bad play in a football game.
hmm this has to be fake...first off, who in war is going to be wearing YELLOW arm bands and orange tape on their weapons? Shot in the face at CLOSE range and when pans back to him at 1:19, no blood on face or even splatters on cinder block...
No blood?
The Guy on the Left looks looked like he was raising his hands up to surrender. Translation?
One looked ready and the other looked scared. Really sad. There just pawns.
Guy on the right struggles for the gun and guy on left left gave a clear sign he was surrendering and he gets shot first? This confuses me.
I wonder how much it costs for Ukraine to rent a soldier for this war?
The guy on the left puts his gun down then gets shot. Emotions were high all around. It's war. Anything goes.
bang bang lol
What are you talking about, they didn´t want to surrender. They could have killed him easily for trying like this.
Did I misunderstand something here that these were Ukrainian soldiers shooting Ukrainian soldiers?
This is Russians asking Ukrainians to surrender
Ohhh, that would make a Big difference. The Ukies are known for shooting their own soldiers for not fighting. That's what I thought this was and to me explained their surprise and hesitation.