Wagner forces have surrounded the headquarters of the Russian Southern Military district in Rostov, and tanks have their cannons aimed.
(twitter.com)
Who's been more effective?
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Note that the Russian military headquarters for the southern region is the headquarters that oversees the war in Ukraine.
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Already reported by Prizogvy (sp) as fake propaganda during interviews. Sorry for TG video https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/70598
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Do you think Wagner pulled out of Ukraine, thus leaving an opportunity for Ukrainian forces to advance? It may be a trap to entice the remaining Ukrainian forces out in the open to be annihilated.
That's what I think will happen. It's an established pattern by now.
Reeks of psyop.
I wonder if it's a drag net op to round up the last of the DS in Russia... kinda like we might like to see something sorta similar state side? Clean and Swift...
My wife is half Russian and half Ukrainian and she says it’s a nothing burger 🤣. All of her family is military and equivalent FBI for both sides
All the pictures and videos are with daylight. If im not mistaken this would have been over the last few hours where it would have been like 3am and dark.
Nope, it wouldn't be that dark at Rostov-On-Don even at this time, because of their latitude.
The city is at around the same latitude as Winnipeg and Calgary in Canada. Just check their latitudes, plus a day light map.
Rostov only gets like 3 hours of fully black night this time of the year, and they get almost 17 hours of full daylight.
Sorry, please explain like im 5...is someone trying a coup to take down Putin?
Putin has arranged a provocation to make it look that way in the MSM.
Just a small point to note, being an ex tanker, the fact that the turret is in the gun forward position and elevated means nothing. This would be the usual position for it when simply driving down a road. Sure one's a few degree's off center but it's no big deal.
You ain't swinging the turret around when driving down main roads when your not tactical, the chances of hitting trees, lamp posts etc is not worth it.
They look like T64's so I'm assuming the gun isn't stabilised hence it being elevated, or it's just in that position.
The other vehicle looks like a BTR80 fwiw.
LOL Watch where you are getting you news. I believe that story is fake bullshit, and your falling for it.
I will apologize if I am wrong.
and people are strolling about doing their normal activities.... ? More Obama propaganda...
Today was quite the tet e tete between Wagner, Russian officials, and the media. Some semblance as to the why of what we are looking at now
TLDR -
Prigozhin accuses Moscow of deadly rocket attacks on "Wagner" mercenary units, promises revenge.
The Ministry of Defense of Russia denies this information. Prigozhin claims that "Wagner" units entered Rostov without resistance.
"Wagner" units allegedly shot down a Russian army helicopter.
Prigozhin invites the Russians to join him, with 25 thousand people in the group.
A criminal case has been opened in Kyiv in connection with an attempt to organize an armed rebellion.
Security measures have been stepped up in the Rostov region in southern Russia and in Moscow.
The Russian authorities have called on the residents of Rostov to "stay at home".
Fake and gay. And you are all debating it as if it is real. Prediction: Nothing will come of this
Looks like propaganda....
100%
Told you!
https://greatawakening.win/p/16biTmeDgv/i-am-now-200-certain-that-this-h/
This whole senario is already history.
It appears Twitter is being used as a disinformation tool. Rostov is in the south on the Crimean border. Another report states Wagner is moving north in the Voronezh region. Now why would Prigozhin split his military? It sounds too 'fantastic to believe.
Can someone fill me in, been out of the loop the last few days and I'm confused AF right now.
Looks like the west brought them to get regime change in russia. They are mercenaries after all
I don’t think this is gonna go the way they think it’s going to go.
I don't wanna trust things (((they))) show me as a general rule i guess..
I do not see their insignia, or flags.
Doubt.
LOL at the habbening posters.
Everyone standing around observing, and recording. LOLOL. As if. Very violent indeed.
ONE of the commenters (@mo00478295) says that
One of the commenters is an idiot.
Wagner uses the same equipment as the Russian military.
Yes, you don't see them because they've hidden the insignias. As another user put it, "So there are no obvious markers to separate out who is Wagner and who isn't. If people start firing in central Rostov, it could get really confusing, really fast. No one knows who is who anymore."
LOL at the panic.
I don't think so.
I thought the germans liked the nazis
Something big is indeed happening, that much is undeniable. This may be bigger than any news in the last 60 years, as implications may be world and history changing. If it's real, this could trigger WW3 as Putin may not back down. If it's fake, this may trigger the "habbening" of the storm, as Putin is obviously a chess piece in the story/movie.
TL;DR: this may reveal the true reach of either Q (is it real, does it have worldwide influence, etc) or the DS (did they play a giant, unexpected move?), and may trigger the rest of the storm.
Here's my questions:
Why would Russia fire missiles at its own mercenary unit?
Why would that "middle" have absolutely zero ground disturbance?
Wagner Group announced they're fed up what, two weeks ago? And marched back. Russia is known to wipe out troops who retreat from the battlefield. Russia is known to monitor troop movements. They would have seen this coming, it's not like Wagner Group Instant Transmissioned over to the city. Why wouldn't Russia have prepared to stop this insurrection?
Why would Wagner Group fight Ukraine, then turn around and fight Russia? Do they expect Ukraine and NATO to just forgive them, and Wagner has been accused of war crimes?
if some random account on Twitter claims the CIA convinced the Wagner general that Putin is gonna off him, why wouldn't the Kremlin also know this, and put a stop to it?
Something else to consider:
A foreign invading force into Russian territory would warrant all our war by Putin, as he has stated intervention by foreign military and/or invasion onto Russian soil would result in a full declaration of war.
This is not a foreign invading force: "this be ya own"
What does this mean as a response from Putin? Putin wouldn't drop bombs on his own city when morale is already down throughout Russia. Or would he?
If he does, this would be seen as worthy of intervention from NATO? I don't think so. But if the DS is in control of NATO, why wouldn't they strike when Putin is appearing weak?
If Putin doesn't take action, would this give room to conspiracy theories: "how do you make it appear that you have cornered an animal without causing actual outright harm to the animal nor the handler?" Putin has reason to appear weak and cornered, where if this was planned and orchestrated by both parties, then there is something greater happening, without the result of any casualties.
You have made a very high effort post that lists exactly what Russian MoD wants the West to be thinking right now. Now consider the other possibility, that Prigozhin is working hand in hand with MoD to create MILDEC tension they can use to do things like catch Ukrainian infiltrators and justify tighter control they need to counter something the actual enemy is sending their way.
Yes, this is not that far fetched either.
I was listening to Col. Macgregor yesterday talking about some of the Russian tactics they have been using. Recently, the Russians set up a fake missile battery with lots of explosives for UKR to target. When they hit it, there was a huge explosion. This convinced the UKR troops they were on target and for all nearby artillery to open up on the position.
In reality, the ploy was for UKR to give up their artillery positions, which RUS quickly took out.
It’s called impeachment. Have you seen the movie “Wag the Dog”
A comment from the Moscow Times (which I cannot recover) suggested that the circumstances and stresses of battle command have gone to Prigozhin's head, and he has arrived at a messianic sense of mission ("on the white horse"). The same commenter said it is a common syndrome that happens...until the rider falls off. But Prigozhin hasn't yet fallen off.
The Moscow Times is a western-biased publication. Think MSM narrative peddler.
That may be so, but the quotation was apt. The Moscow Times coverage was essentially identical to the TASS coverage, but there wasn't much to "cover," as the situation was (and is still) murky.
There is some commentary that Prigozhin may have been "turned" by the CIA, but his behavior suggests that he has a serious bee in his bonnet. Delusions of persecution and grandeur?
It's just acting. Already came to an agreement with Putin with Lukashenko moderating in less than a day with zero shots fired or any combat of any sort whatsoever.
"when morale is already down"? Russia is absolutely winning the Ukrainian conflict. I don't believe any of the western sources on this theater. The following is from "Simplicius", who stated a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
#1. Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
#2. Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
#3. Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
If say, #1 above is the case, it would mean the following:
The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
"Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.
I will assume they are taking down some globalhomo fags.
Is it not possible that this is all just a headfake by Russia to convince the West that they're divided and weak in order to bait the Ukrainians into a last death charge?
Well, if that's what they're trying to convince the west of, I think it is working.
This is kayfabe 100%. Putin's address only went out via RT, not on Russian media.
Yeah I watched video of the soldiers running about but letting civis literally stand inches from them. A real mil op would no have potential combative come anywhere near them and thier equipment
Exactly.
Agreed. Local Euro MSM is all over this already.
Well, the funniest thing about it is, that they call the mercennaries turning against Putin "CIVIL WAR"!
If true, it would be a coup détat - so here we have the first lie!
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Calndestine:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1672521095000346624.html
That is very close to what is happening, yes. Also note that Ukraine was making tons of noise about some kind of nuclear strike Russia was allegedly going to do, and with this that whole news cycle has been erased.
This could be the reason for the head fake. Stop the fake nuclear accident.
One of many, many Russian objectives being met simultaneously. Brilliant move.