I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population. Regardless, X should absolutely not ban the ADL. "Banning" anyone from the conversation does two things:
it completely disqualifies any concept of an open conversation. It shuts out anyone on the "other side" who wants to talk about that side of the conversation. These are the exact people who need to be reached. Thus shutting them out defeats the entire purpose.
Related to (1), but for emphasis: It's either free speech or it's not. If you are silencing anyone, you can silence ANYONE. The conversation must be free or no one's mind can possibly be changed, and thus the division persists. The way to defeat lies is not accomplished by silencing the liar, forcing them into the shadows, but by shining light on them. We must be able to discuss it: let them speak, and show the evidence to the contrary. You want to end the division? This is the only way to accomplish it.
Banning the ADL would accomplish the opposite of a victory for We The People.
Exactly. And some digs on chans indicate that the ADL is behind this BanADL trend (we all know how they love to play victims).
ADL's undue influence must be completely eliminated, but they should be free to post whatever they want under their handle, and then let people see how they get ratio'ed.
unfortunately the marketplace of ideas is fake. they control the media, they control the culture, they are flooding the forums with bots and "shills" to manufacture consensus, all of which programs your friends and neighbors to betray their god given instincts.
giving your mortal ENEMIES, "people" who want you dead or enslaved, a voice is a mistake. it is one of the primary factors enabling degeneracy & evil to run absolutely rampant in the modern world.
in current_year.jpg, you can't debate your enemies. you must simply destroy them.
Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem, regardless of biases from Elon or anyone else. Free speech means free speech. REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem, but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem,
Yes, but this is where the ADL has their influence. They suppress others' ability to speak freely.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem
But THAT is NOT happening, which is WHY it is a problem.
If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem
And what would you propose to do about that, especially when the other side is successful in banning the ability to respond with free speech?
but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Again, when only ONE side acts in a moral and just way, what do we do about the side who refuses to do so AND is able to censor the other side?
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
One thing I have come to realize the past couple of years is that some of these philosophical ideas about liberty must be kept in CONTEXT.
As John Adams said, America was founded for a MORAL people. If everyone was acting in a moral way, then we wouldn't need many laws at all.
But not everyone does. And when one side is able to squelch the free speech rights of the other side, we have to have a SOLUTION that actually can work in the REAL WORLD.
ADL has been acting OUTSIDE of the framework of morality. AND they have had some success in shutting down the free speech of others.
Therefore, IMO, it is morally just to shut down their free speech.
What OTHER solution would you suggest? And before you give your answer, I have to tell you this: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY POSITION, BECAUSE YOUR POST WILL BE DELETED.
Get the picture? That is the problem we face with disgusting people like those who run the ADL.
Of course it’s Catsfive that suppprts banning. What are you going to do if all the conversations you ban for taking place on here end up being true? What if all the people you call retards end up being right?
Also, are you gonna ban me for pointing out that you’ve stickied 3 of your own posts at once? Talk about a gate keeper
Oh? Were they my posts? No, they were posts that someone else posted on PDW that I moved over here because they were super relevant to GAW. Did they already previously exist on GAW? No, I searched for the content from someone in search, you'll notice I don't steal other people's posts and sticking my own. It's embarrassing to be outlifted and out researched and outhustled by PDW. When you see three cats five posts sticky to the front page, it's not me that should be embarrassed, it's YOU.
Your last post on GAW was almost a year ago. Seriously, what do you care? You are exactly the kind of do nothing, low info, low effort loser we don't want shitting up the board. Welcome to embodying the exact reason we mod GAW the way we do.
You mean it wasn't true when I said that General Flynn's story was a most important piece of the puzzle, was told it wasn't relevant, and banned? __ Monty Hall Monitor
This is what makes Truth Social so key. They built it to be independent from these evil 3rd parties. Maybe at some point Musk will make a deal with Truth S & run twitter off the Truth servers. This is when we will see real free speech. Until then he is sorts compromised
I gotta come back to this. We cant get mad and start a revolution because of what these guys did to us and then turn around and do it to them right? Dialog is key
This is just a survey as a result of Torba being consistently targeted and attacked by the ADL. Lou Dobbs and Turning Point USA are also targeted by both the ADL and SPLC. It's pretty blatant. And with the FBI partnership they 'somehow' have been allowed to establish, it sets all Christian organizations in a position f being targeted and SWATed. Why is the ADL so anti-Christian? Why is the ADL opposed to constitutional values promoted by organizations like the John Birch Society and the Heritage Foundation?
The vast majority of Americans recognizes their anti-Christian agenda. And that is what it is. The ADL is blatantly opposed to Christian values and is the lead attack organization promoting Zionism. Don't believe me? Even Haaretz, a prominent Israeli publication recognizes this. The ADL targeted the John Birch Society. Now why would they do that? Here's an article from the Jerusalem Post revealing their spying operation. What gives the ADL the right to take on police powers to spy on other organizations? Could it be that the ADL should register as a foreign organization or FARA? Why hasn't this been enforced when it is clearly a foreign lobby group. Manafort and Flynn have been prosecuted on far less than what the ADL has been doing for decades without registering for FARA categorization. As Shane Burley and Ben Lorber have rightly opined, the ADL blindly equating the white Christian Right with pro-Palestinian human rights activism is actually setting American Jews in position of peril. Other American conservatives claim the ADL and SPLC go outside their mandate and label legitimate right-wing organizations, particularly with an anti-immigration position (e.g., Lou Dobbs), as hate groups. Dobbs called the ADL and SPLC as "absolute advocate groups for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens" and said of the ADL, "They are a joke." ADL has targeted 'Turning Point USA' and other organizations like Steve Bannon's 'War Room'. The ADL even classifies being anti-'Antifa' as "white supremacist".
I doubt that qualifies as an unbiased poll on a random selection of the population. Regardless, X should absolutely not ban the ADL. "Banning" anyone from the conversation does two things:
Banning the ADL would accomplish the opposite of a victory for We The People.
Exactly. And some digs on chans indicate that the ADL is behind this BanADL trend (we all know how they love to play victims).
ADL's undue influence must be completely eliminated, but they should be free to post whatever they want under their handle, and then let people see how they get ratio'ed.
Let them fail in the marketplace of ideas.
Only when there is a free marketplace, which is exactly what orgs like ADL try to suppress.
unfortunately the marketplace of ideas is fake. they control the media, they control the culture, they are flooding the forums with bots and "shills" to manufacture consensus, all of which programs your friends and neighbors to betray their god given instincts.
giving your mortal ENEMIES, "people" who want you dead or enslaved, a voice is a mistake. it is one of the primary factors enabling degeneracy & evil to run absolutely rampant in the modern world.
in current_year.jpg, you can't debate your enemies. you must simply destroy them.
You love tyranny. Its only the flavor you object to.
They should remove their undue influence
The only way to accomplish that is to let them speak, and allow for the other side to present all of the evidence that proves their lies.
This is the power of truly free speech.
Well.. I feel like catsfive was referring to their influence within the company, and that is indeed a problem as we have already seen in Elon's Twitter.
I didn't really get that, but I can see that now that you've said it. However, the solution remains the same. It's all about letting people speak.
Maybe, but letting people speak doesn't change things if Elon bends over backwards to make them happy, and I think that's a pretty big problem.
If everyone speaks freely, then there is no problem, regardless of biases from Elon or anyone else. Free speech means free speech. REAL problems come from censorship of the less obvious variety: bots which create artificial "consensus" e.g., or shadowbanning of opposing viewpoints. If censorship of any kind is going on, overt or hidden, it's a real problem, but if everyone is truly free to speak, the problem takes care of itself.
Regardless however, preventing someone from speaking at all, no matter who they are, is not a victory but a loss.
Yes, but this is where the ADL has their influence. They suppress others' ability to speak freely.
But THAT is NOT happening, which is WHY it is a problem.
And what would you propose to do about that, especially when the other side is successful in banning the ability to respond with free speech?
Again, when only ONE side acts in a moral and just way, what do we do about the side who refuses to do so AND is able to censor the other side?
One thing I have come to realize the past couple of years is that some of these philosophical ideas about liberty must be kept in CONTEXT.
As John Adams said, America was founded for a MORAL people. If everyone was acting in a moral way, then we wouldn't need many laws at all.
But not everyone does. And when one side is able to squelch the free speech rights of the other side, we have to have a SOLUTION that actually can work in the REAL WORLD.
ADL has been acting OUTSIDE of the framework of morality. AND they have had some success in shutting down the free speech of others.
Therefore, IMO, it is morally just to shut down their free speech.
What OTHER solution would you suggest? And before you give your answer, I have to tell you this: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY POSITION, BECAUSE YOUR POST WILL BE DELETED.
Get the picture? That is the problem we face with disgusting people like those who run the ADL.
But the ADL wants to ELIMINATE that as a possibility.
What about when ADL actually DOES get someone banned or censored?
What should be the punishment for those in the ADL who commit such a crime?
Of course it’s Catsfive that suppprts banning. What are you going to do if all the conversations you ban for taking place on here end up being true? What if all the people you call retards end up being right?
Also, are you gonna ban me for pointing out that you’ve stickied 3 of your own posts at once? Talk about a gate keeper
Oh? Were they my posts? No, they were posts that someone else posted on PDW that I moved over here because they were super relevant to GAW. Did they already previously exist on GAW? No, I searched for the content from someone in search, you'll notice I don't steal other people's posts and sticking my own. It's embarrassing to be outlifted and out researched and outhustled by PDW. When you see three cats five posts sticky to the front page, it's not me that should be embarrassed, it's YOU.
Your last post on GAW was almost a year ago. Seriously, what do you care? You are exactly the kind of do nothing, low info, low effort loser we don't want shitting up the board. Welcome to embodying the exact reason we mod GAW the way we do.
TALK ABOUT BEING A MORON.
You mean it wasn't true when I said that General Flynn's story was a most important piece of the puzzle, was told it wasn't relevant, and banned? __ Monty Hall Monitor
This. It's better to keep them around to ridicule anyway.
Yes. We must remove the AI NPCs before the human NPCs can be tuned from "nons" to "anons".
Uber-based comment.
Well, the ADL is the epitome of racist organizations so…
Torba: Should X ban the ADL?
Also Torba: Why X can't ban the ADL.
This is what makes Truth Social so key. They built it to be independent from these evil 3rd parties. Maybe at some point Musk will make a deal with Truth S & run twitter off the Truth servers. This is when we will see real free speech. Until then he is sorts compromised
Gab is already in that position.
If Truth Social becomes a public company, it could face some problems, especially if Blackrock and similar become large shareholders.
Just beware ...
Truth runs on Rumble’s cloud
That's a decent read.
Don't ban them... but call them out on their bullshit.
It's high time we stopped ignoring the fact that they're liars and promoting hate under the guise of "protecting" the perpetrators.
It's the same old story, same old song and dance, a my fren.
Don’t ban ADL, just don’t ban or censor those who disagree with or criticize them.
Stand up to jewish hate
torba is fine, but i trust elon more because he can meme
I personally like them for different reasons, which I think you outline very well here. 100% agree. Elon isn't perfect but
I gotta come back to this. We cant get mad and start a revolution because of what these guys did to us and then turn around and do it to them right? Dialog is key
If they shoot bullets at you, you can't shoot back?
I’d rather ADL keep posting and everyone calls them out on their bullshit
ADL shouldn’t be banned, but the ADL shouldn’t be allowed to ban anybody else, which they do all the time. Who TF funds this evil communist group?
Interesting question.
(((Who))), indeed.
Have you noticed anything?
Who claims their behavior in each country was fine,
But still got expelled from one hundred and nine?
This is just a survey as a result of Torba being consistently targeted and attacked by the ADL. Lou Dobbs and Turning Point USA are also targeted by both the ADL and SPLC. It's pretty blatant. And with the FBI partnership they 'somehow' have been allowed to establish, it sets all Christian organizations in a position f being targeted and SWATed. Why is the ADL so anti-Christian? Why is the ADL opposed to constitutional values promoted by organizations like the John Birch Society and the Heritage Foundation?
The vast majority of Americans recognizes their anti-Christian agenda. And that is what it is. The ADL is blatantly opposed to Christian values and is the lead attack organization promoting Zionism. Don't believe me? Even Haaretz, a prominent Israeli publication recognizes this. The ADL targeted the John Birch Society. Now why would they do that? Here's an article from the Jerusalem Post revealing their spying operation. What gives the ADL the right to take on police powers to spy on other organizations? Could it be that the ADL should register as a foreign organization or FARA? Why hasn't this been enforced when it is clearly a foreign lobby group. Manafort and Flynn have been prosecuted on far less than what the ADL has been doing for decades without registering for FARA categorization. As Shane Burley and Ben Lorber have rightly opined, the ADL blindly equating the white Christian Right with pro-Palestinian human rights activism is actually setting American Jews in position of peril. Other American conservatives claim the ADL and SPLC go outside their mandate and label legitimate right-wing organizations, particularly with an anti-immigration position (e.g., Lou Dobbs), as hate groups. Dobbs called the ADL and SPLC as "absolute advocate groups for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens" and said of the ADL, "They are a joke." ADL has targeted 'Turning Point USA' and other organizations like Steve Bannon's 'War Room'. The ADL even classifies being anti-'Antifa' as "white supremacist".
Did Gab ban ADL?
What is ADL?
A controversial hate group financed and run by Jewish Supremacists.
Thank you.
Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
... which is ironic, because they have become the most defaming of all organizations.
Reminder: It is not defamation if it can be proven; it is only defamation if it is false.
Thank you.
Him banning them would make him a hypocrite. The left would definitely use that against him if he did do it.
No banning!
How funny will it be when the ADL is designated as a hate group (right before "hate group" designations are done away with entirely, of course...)
So 91.2% of those voting haven't learned anything from the last 6 years. Terrific.
GASP! Such anti-semitism!
Well if elon bends over backwarxs for them they sure as shit wont get banned, but idt they should be banned anyway. Free speech and all.
https://ibb.co/kX68SXs Isra -el is left for last for an important reason -- it looks like it all falls in place...
It's biased af We hate it but most normals suck this caulk
Now why would Elon ban his backers?
I didn't even know he had an account on X
Anti-Defamation League (ADL), https://www.adl.org/about/mission-and-history https://www.adl.org/myths-facts-about-adl
So ...
You are using the ADL's website to determine what are the "myths and facts" about the ADL?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!