The issue with Congress are the ones that hold dual citizenship. You are American or you are the enemy of America. We are Americans not Italian American, not African American, not Israeli American so on and so on. I have a heritage that goes back to England and Scotland and I love that part of me but I am American first. If you are not American and proud then you need to go back to the country you identify with most because that is where your true loyalty is.
My wife keeps telling me to get dual citizenship with Poland. I keep telling her no man can serve 2 kings. I am American, and will die American. There is no plan B.
It is clinically insane that new immigrants have to swear an oath of allegiance to the US, forsaking all former allegiances...and we have fucking DOZENS of congresscritters who will not do it.
They are citizens of Israel first, America second (or last), and that's that.
It is clinically insane that new immigrants have to swear an oath of allegiance to the US, forsaking all former allegiances...and we have fucking DOZENS of congresscritters who will not do it. They are citizens of Israel first, America second (or last), and that's that.
No, this is not correct. The US does not make new immigrants give up their citizenship to their native country.
Some countries won't allow their citizens to retain their native citizenship if they gain citizenship in another country. Some do, though, like the US.
I don't know why so many people here don't know this. It's like Civics 101.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
You know Barron and Melania Trump hold dual citizenship with the US and Slovenia.
Does that pose a problem for you, that Donald Trump's wife and youngest son are enemies of America?
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Look at those downvotes. Now why would people be upset at this post? I'm not the one who said people of dual citizenship were enemies of America. And I'm certainly not responsible for Barron and Melania Trump having dual citizenship in America and Slovenia.
Is it a "shooting the messenger" issue? I think that must be it.
I'm wondering how long this post will stay up before someone goes crying to the babysitters because I hurt their feelings with facts.
The attitude shown here isn't only limited to those holding office.
Do you really think that the wife and son of the President of the United States can't sway the President on public matters? That they don't hold any influence?
I would think they hold just as much influence in shaping policy as others holding public office, if not more.
If a Democrat president's wife held dual citizenship with, say, Mexico or Israel, can you honestly say you wouldn't have an issue with that?
There is a requirement to hold office. Unless barred by the constitution or laws, all other familial ties and influences should be part of public discourse and the individual voters.
We can play the "What if" game all day but our President Trump was constitutionally elected. The 80+ congressmen and women with dual citizenships are illegal.
If you want to barr people from holding office because of familial ties, submit that bill into law, and just hope that it doesn't bar good Americans from office while criminals get away like always.
I like that you are critically thinking about President Trump's possible foreign influences but I can't help but believe that you are trying to sow doubt within our community. We can judge the worth of this man by all of his good deeds and that is many.
Where do you find that it's illegal for people with dual citizenship to hold public office in the US? As in Congress, or lower offices. Not the Presidency. I fully remember the issue with Ted Cruz running for president.
I'm not trying to sow doubt. I simply want people to a) be aware of facts and b) not be hypocrites.
Not wanting people to live in a fantasy LaLa Land and not be aware of very important facts, and not want them to look like idiots to the public (and thereby make ALL of Trump/Q supporters look like idiots) isn't an attempt to sow doubt.
Edited to add:
I feel the need to clarify my position here. I understand that people get upset when someone gets close to criticizing Trump here. But I, personally, do not feel the need to approve of every thought or deed committed by Trump in order to support him. Indeed, I think it's impossible to agree 100% with what anyone else does, and I don't feel the need to pretend to do so to prove my loyalty.
I, personally, could not give less of a shit if Barron and Melania hold dual citizenship. I do, however, despise hypocrisy. So when I see someone say that people who hold dual citizenship are "enemies to America", I feel the need to point out who, exactly, is included in that.
I also hope to prevent people from walking into "gotcha" like questions on camera, making the entire community look like mouth-breathing troglodytes.
So take that as you may towards determining my intentions.
But I'm sure this will end up on the "Someone said something I don't like, so delete them!" pile of demands our babysitters have to sift through.
I appreciate you contributions. I was indeed wrong about having only US citizenship to hold any public office. It seems to only matter when it comes to obtaining security clearances. Potential conflict of interests, as well.
Absolutes, stated by someone in an earlier comment, such as either you are an American or you are an enemy... well, is plain ludicrous.
I don't believe in censorship and I wouldn't support that your comments be deleted. You bring up valid points so I don't understand why you would even suggest that you may be deleted. It's up to the reader to use discernment and decide whether to engage or not.
However, I do see a future where AI can effortlessly crowd out and trivialize all the human voices in the public square.
Thank you for your kind response and I am beyond delighted that you took the time to double-check your info and that you had the integrity to admit you were mistaken. That is not something that I see often, and I really admire it.
I made the comments about my comments being deleted, because my comments often get deleted because some people get butt hurt over being presented with facts that contradict what they're saying. They're not grown up enough to double-check their info or be able to admit they're wrong. So they go crying to the mods and get my comments deleted. 🤷
Slovenia has officially sided with Ukraine in this latest issue with Russia.
I, personally, don't have an issue with them having dual citizenship. I, personally, don't think that their ties with Slovenia, and thus with Ukraine, will influence anything Trump does as President.
People are misinterpreting my intentions here. I'm not trying to cast any doubt on anything Trump does.
I'm pointing out that people a) are forming very strong opinions when they are not well informed on the subject (which is a big no~no in my book, but who cares about that?) and b) are showing their hypocrisy in wanting to give Melania and Barron a free pass on the issue based on who they are.
They're saying that some people can't be loyal to the US based on being born in a foreign country or having dual citizenship, but others can (if it suits them).
If you think that the family of a President can't influence them, then I'd like to point out what's going on with POTATUS right now and what his son influenced him to do (or what he did for his son, however, you want to word it), and the consequences of it.
I'm sure if we had a Democrat president whose son and wife had dual citizenship with Mexico or Israel, the vast majority of the people here would be shitting themselves over it.
I'm saying a) know what you're talking about before calling people (including our First Lady and a damn fine young man) "enemies of America" and b) don't be a hypocrite.
Well, that is a most intriguing post. Just when I think of writing him off, he pulls something. Yet, we do see folks talk a good game, but not always play according to the principles they claimed. I will just keep watching.
This. I don't think Elon is a swamp creature. I don't think he is one of the good guy's persay, he falls in the gray. I just think he is a billionaire that, to a degree, cares about his mark in the world, and has a moral compass which tries to steer him north.
Whatever the reason, stopping that attack from happening on the Russian navy did save a lot of lives. If it did prevent escalation to WW3 like he said it did, I'll obviously say that is a good thing.
He could also be formerly swap but made a deal. Or pretending to be swamp etc. Can't really tell.
He took Soros money to build the electric car scam known as Tesla Motors.
He was pushing for the whole implanting chips in brain transhumanism thing.
All "their stuff".
However he has also been unquestionably working with the white hats...Space Force confirmed that Starlink was only possible because of Space Force. And the Twitter acquisition, exposure and cleanup are all part of the plan.
That said gray might be a great description because he's also been doing some not so great stuff at the same time - trying to create another WeChat authoritarian platform...using twitter and rebranding as "X". The whole banning of people who work remotely etc.
That’s the thing, if Elon is a white hat he’d be in perfect position to the the single point of control, be it tesla cars or the implanting chip thing to play along but making sure it never comes to fruition or be harmful. Same thing with Twitter as their bullhorn is removed from their control.
I'm not sure what to make of him. Controlled op? WH, BH, gray...
I do believe he's an actor. Common Sense Skeptic youtube channel has dozens of Elon debunking videos, very well researched. If Elon is talking, he's lying.
Passports say United States of America on the cover, not United States.
Nationality is listed as United States of America, not United States.
8 U.S. Code § 1449 - Certificate of naturalization; contents
A person admitted to citizenship in conformity with the provisions of this subchapter shall be entitled upon such admission to receive from the Attorney General a certificate of naturalization, which shall contain substantially the following information: Number of application for naturalization; number of certificate of naturalization; date of naturalization; name, signature, place of residence, autographed photograph, and personal description of the naturalized person, including age, sex, marital status, and country of former nationality; location of the district office of the Service in which the application was filed and the title, authority, and location of the official or court administering the oath of allegiance; statement that the Attorney General, having found that the applicant had complied in all respects with all of the applicable provisions of the naturalization laws of the United States, and was entitled to be admitted a citizen of the United States of America, thereupon ordered that the applicant be admitted as a citizen of the United States of America; attestation of an immigration officer; and the seal of the Department of Justice.
Look at the end. Citizen of USA, not US. Passports say United States of America on the cover, not United States. Nationality is listed as United States of America, not United States.
Hardly anyone is a citizen of the United States, other than those with consular reports of birth abroad, and births in the Territories.
8 United States Code doesn't list the names of the 50 states in its definitions.
Naturalized foreigners are not citizens of the United States because their certificates state that they are citizens of the United States of America.
Treasury Decision 2313 talks about the taxation of nonresident aliens and cites the Brushaber case. If you look at the pleadings in that case, Brushaber declared himself to be a citizen of the State of New York.
Tax laws generally apply to citizens of the United States (and those that claim they are).
You know, some of you guys are ripe targets for people like Jordan Klepper. For those who don't know, he regularly interviews Trump supporters using "gotcha" type questions, making them look ignorant and silly.
For everyone getting all riled up about people holding dual citizenship and how they need to pick a country or get out of the US, and that they're the enemies of America, please note that Barron and Melania Trump (you know, President Trump's wife and youngest son) hold dual citizenship with Slovenia.
I don't know if you all never knew that, or forgot, or are pretending it's not true, but you really should know stuff like this. And you should realize that people who want to make you look stupid will definitely know it and will use it against you.
Either you're saying that Trump's wife and son are enemies of America or they can't be fully loyal to America, and they should ditch their dual citizenship or leave....or you give them a free pass just because of who they are and you're hypocrites.
Remember, this board is supposed to represent Q to the public (most of whom are normies). We're supposed to be smarter and better than this. Aren't we?
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;...
The US Citizenship Oath says otherwise. How does Barron have Slovenian citizenship? Since his father is a US citizen, so is Barron from the day he was born. Where is this coming from? Who is passing this off?
Those with dual oaths have US citizenship first, then take a second oath for another country. Many Jewish Americans have taken an Israeli citizenship under Israel's policy, Right of Return, and kept their US citizenship.
By the way, the US does not demand that a naturalized citizen renounce their native citizenship. They can if they wish to. I believe that is where you're getting that oath. That's the oath a naturalized citizen gives if they wish to renounce their native citizenship.
Some foreign countries make you renounce your native citizenship if you become a citizen of a foreign country. Slovenia is not one of those countries. You may keep your citizenship there if you wish and become a naturalized US citizen as well.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
The issue as I understand it is a conflict of interest for government electees, appointees, and employees with dual citizenship.
Not sure involving Melania and Barron is the best argument to negate conflict of interest for legislatures, et al. Still lack admission or proof both have dual citizenship. Just because they can, doesn't mean they do.
Okay. Just curious, if you had evidence that they do hold dual citizenship, how would that change your opinions?
The democrats had a field day concerning Trump, Melania, Barron, and Melania's parents when he became President. Did you pay attention to it when it was going on?
It was when Trump was trying to make/change laws about people coming here on tourist or work visas and chain migration. And he had married a woman who was here on one of the visas he wanted to change. And then when she got her citizenship, she brought her parents over via chain migration. Which was something that Trump was, at the time, trying to reduce or eliminate.
So, yeah, the whole thing about Barron and Melania having dual citizenship and being the immediate family of the US President was chewed over relentlessly.
I'm surprised that you all didn't know/didn't remember any of that. It was a really, really, big deal during the first few months of Trump's presidency.
The attitudes I see here aren't limited to only those in Congress or in government positions. And the question of the loyalty of the President's wife and child is certainly as important as that of those in government positions.
So, yeah. People should really know this type of stuff when they have such strong opinions about it. And calling people with dual citizenship "enemies of America" is quite a strong opinion.
But going back to my original point, I wonder sometimes how well some people here would fare if some lib came up to them with a camera rolling and asked them these types of "gotcha" questions.
Because it is just embarrassing and cringe-worthy to watch what some idiots say on camera, who just so happen to support Trump and/or Q. And then it's made to seem like all Trump/Q supporters are that stupid.
So maybe we should at least be aware of these things. 🤷
Suppose at the time I felt the same as I do now. Seems anchor babies and chain migration has more to do with illegal entry than legal entry. Melania entered legally, so I had and still have no issue with her status.
The dual citizenship issue should be addressed for those in government whether elected, appointed, (sub)contracted, hired. I don't know any pro arguments for such. As for spouses, I suppose it depends. A dual citizenship with Ukraine is not the same as a dual citizenship with Slovenia.
Anchor babies and chain migration are not limited to illegals. A person could come here on a student visa, get pregnant, and have the baby in the US. That's still an anchor baby. It helps the mother (and often other family members) stay in the US longer than their visa would have allowed. The same thing applies to chain migration.
It just adds insult to injury when the person who does either is illegal.
So it depends on what country the person has dual citizenship with if you believe it's a threat to America? Slovenia has sided with Ukraine in this most recent conflict with Russia. Does that affect your opinion?
So, hypothetically, if our next President is a Democrat and has a spouse and child with dual citizenship in Mexico, would you take issue with that? What if they're Canadian? Or Israeli?
I, personally, think that we should hold the same standards for everyone. No matter what their nationality is, they should be treated the same. Because I think it's hypocritical to say we can trust the loyalty of someone based on where they were born. If one person can be believed to be loyal to the US no matter their country of birth, then all the others in that situation should be treated the same. I take the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution seriously. They're both full of the ideas of "all men are created equal" and the laws we have for equal rights. But that's just me. 🤷
Such a conversation is not appropriate here as assumptions are made on intent or purpose that are not accurate. Going back and forth appears to create even more assumptions to fit a debate model. There's an inability, or perhaps, unwillingness to "listen" using this medium. have a good night.
I'm not really keeping up with the show anymore because it really doesn't concern me until it's showtime (and that's not for several years yet), so I don't know what Elon's been doing.
The issue with Congress are the ones that hold dual citizenship. You are American or you are the enemy of America. We are Americans not Italian American, not African American, not Israeli American so on and so on. I have a heritage that goes back to England and Scotland and I love that part of me but I am American first. If you are not American and proud then you need to go back to the country you identify with most because that is where your true loyalty is.
"Pledge of allegiance" is just words to some people.
To the flag.
And the republic which the flag represents.
Do not pledge allegiance lightly.
Aligning yourself with the tangible, visible symbol of our Republic. Our nation.
To put our nation first.
They are words, yet those words hold significant meaning.
Of course. most of the US and local government is disqualified because they broke the pledge long time.
Like metallica sang, "you know it's sad but true".
foreign and domestic
Domestic is the worst
To Israeli citizens yea ofc. They want to destroy us.
Some say America is a free country 🤷🏿♂️
My wife keeps telling me to get dual citizenship with Poland. I keep telling her no man can serve 2 kings. I am American, and will die American. There is no plan B.
Yes, I think some frens are researching this dual citizenship issue in Congress.
As of 3 years ago, there were about 80 sitting congress with dual citizenship. 100% Constitutionally illegal to hold office yet still there.
It is with a single nation and nearly all "top" congress have it: i.e. Schumer, Schiff, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc.
Bonus points if you can tell me which nation..
It is clinically insane that new immigrants have to swear an oath of allegiance to the US, forsaking all former allegiances...and we have fucking DOZENS of congresscritters who will not do it.
They are citizens of Israel first, America second (or last), and that's that.
And now you know why it is taboo to speak any ill of Israel or jews.
No, this is not correct. The US does not make new immigrants give up their citizenship to their native country.
Some countries won't allow their citizens to retain their native citizenship if they gain citizenship in another country. Some do, though, like the US.
I don't know why so many people here don't know this. It's like Civics 101.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html#:~:text=U.S.%20law%20does%20not%20require,risk%20to%20their%20U.S.%20citizenship.
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
https://www.usa.gov/dual-citizenship
The one established in 1948.
Yep!
Isreal
The very one, yes.
You know Barron and Melania Trump hold dual citizenship with the US and Slovenia.
Does that pose a problem for you, that Donald Trump's wife and youngest son are enemies of America?
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Look at those downvotes. Now why would people be upset at this post? I'm not the one who said people of dual citizenship were enemies of America. And I'm certainly not responsible for Barron and Melania Trump having dual citizenship in America and Slovenia.
Is it a "shooting the messenger" issue? I think that must be it.
I'm wondering how long this post will stay up before someone goes crying to the babysitters because I hurt their feelings with facts.
Are they holding office? Hmm?
The attitude shown here isn't only limited to those holding office.
Do you really think that the wife and son of the President of the United States can't sway the President on public matters? That they don't hold any influence?
I would think they hold just as much influence in shaping policy as others holding public office, if not more.
If a Democrat president's wife held dual citizenship with, say, Mexico or Israel, can you honestly say you wouldn't have an issue with that?
There is a requirement to hold office. Unless barred by the constitution or laws, all other familial ties and influences should be part of public discourse and the individual voters. We can play the "What if" game all day but our President Trump was constitutionally elected. The 80+ congressmen and women with dual citizenships are illegal. If you want to barr people from holding office because of familial ties, submit that bill into law, and just hope that it doesn't bar good Americans from office while criminals get away like always. I like that you are critically thinking about President Trump's possible foreign influences but I can't help but believe that you are trying to sow doubt within our community. We can judge the worth of this man by all of his good deeds and that is many.
Where do you find that it's illegal for people with dual citizenship to hold public office in the US? As in Congress, or lower offices. Not the Presidency. I fully remember the issue with Ted Cruz running for president.
I'm not trying to sow doubt. I simply want people to a) be aware of facts and b) not be hypocrites.
Not wanting people to live in a fantasy LaLa Land and not be aware of very important facts, and not want them to look like idiots to the public (and thereby make ALL of Trump/Q supporters look like idiots) isn't an attempt to sow doubt.
Edited to add:
I feel the need to clarify my position here. I understand that people get upset when someone gets close to criticizing Trump here. But I, personally, do not feel the need to approve of every thought or deed committed by Trump in order to support him. Indeed, I think it's impossible to agree 100% with what anyone else does, and I don't feel the need to pretend to do so to prove my loyalty.
I, personally, could not give less of a shit if Barron and Melania hold dual citizenship. I do, however, despise hypocrisy. So when I see someone say that people who hold dual citizenship are "enemies to America", I feel the need to point out who, exactly, is included in that.
I also hope to prevent people from walking into "gotcha" like questions on camera, making the entire community look like mouth-breathing troglodytes.
So take that as you may towards determining my intentions.
But I'm sure this will end up on the "Someone said something I don't like, so delete them!" pile of demands our babysitters have to sift through.
I appreciate you contributions. I was indeed wrong about having only US citizenship to hold any public office. It seems to only matter when it comes to obtaining security clearances. Potential conflict of interests, as well. Absolutes, stated by someone in an earlier comment, such as either you are an American or you are an enemy... well, is plain ludicrous. I don't believe in censorship and I wouldn't support that your comments be deleted. You bring up valid points so I don't understand why you would even suggest that you may be deleted. It's up to the reader to use discernment and decide whether to engage or not. However, I do see a future where AI can effortlessly crowd out and trivialize all the human voices in the public square.
Thank you for your kind response and I am beyond delighted that you took the time to double-check your info and that you had the integrity to admit you were mistaken. That is not something that I see often, and I really admire it.
I made the comments about my comments being deleted, because my comments often get deleted because some people get butt hurt over being presented with facts that contradict what they're saying. They're not grown up enough to double-check their info or be able to admit they're wrong. So they go crying to the mods and get my comments deleted. 🤷
Slovenia has officially sided with Ukraine in this latest issue with Russia.
I, personally, don't have an issue with them having dual citizenship. I, personally, don't think that their ties with Slovenia, and thus with Ukraine, will influence anything Trump does as President.
People are misinterpreting my intentions here. I'm not trying to cast any doubt on anything Trump does.
I'm pointing out that people a) are forming very strong opinions when they are not well informed on the subject (which is a big no~no in my book, but who cares about that?) and b) are showing their hypocrisy in wanting to give Melania and Barron a free pass on the issue based on who they are.
They're saying that some people can't be loyal to the US based on being born in a foreign country or having dual citizenship, but others can (if it suits them).
If you think that the family of a President can't influence them, then I'd like to point out what's going on with POTATUS right now and what his son influenced him to do (or what he did for his son, however, you want to word it), and the consequences of it.
I'm sure if we had a Democrat president whose son and wife had dual citizenship with Mexico or Israel, the vast majority of the people here would be shitting themselves over it.
I'm saying a) know what you're talking about before calling people (including our First Lady and a damn fine young man) "enemies of America" and b) don't be a hypocrite.
I hope that's cleared some things up.
Elon plays a very important role in this show. Wake up the woke!
Elon needs to admit his fraudulent past and give credit to the people who deserve it.
Well, that is a most intriguing post. Just when I think of writing him off, he pulls something. Yet, we do see folks talk a good game, but not always play according to the principles they claimed. I will just keep watching.
This. I don't think Elon is a swamp creature. I don't think he is one of the good guy's persay, he falls in the gray. I just think he is a billionaire that, to a degree, cares about his mark in the world, and has a moral compass which tries to steer him north.
Whatever the reason, stopping that attack from happening on the Russian navy did save a lot of lives. If it did prevent escalation to WW3 like he said it did, I'll obviously say that is a good thing.
He could also be formerly swap but made a deal. Or pretending to be swamp etc. Can't really tell.
He took Soros money to build the electric car scam known as Tesla Motors.
He was pushing for the whole implanting chips in brain transhumanism thing.
All "their stuff".
However he has also been unquestionably working with the white hats...Space Force confirmed that Starlink was only possible because of Space Force. And the Twitter acquisition, exposure and cleanup are all part of the plan.
That said gray might be a great description because he's also been doing some not so great stuff at the same time - trying to create another WeChat authoritarian platform...using twitter and rebranding as "X". The whole banning of people who work remotely etc.
That’s the thing, if Elon is a white hat he’d be in perfect position to the the single point of control, be it tesla cars or the implanting chip thing to play along but making sure it never comes to fruition or be harmful. Same thing with Twitter as their bullhorn is removed from their control.
I'm not sure what to make of him. Controlled op? WH, BH, gray... I do believe he's an actor. Common Sense Skeptic youtube channel has dozens of Elon debunking videos, very well researched. If Elon is talking, he's lying.
I think he cares about his kids. He wants a future of peace for them.
A Trump/Musk ticket, could you imagine?
Musk is not a natural born US citizen, so no.
🤦
This dude is so unpredictable
That African American is a patriot.
Only one passport, eh? What's he referring to exactly? Heh
We are going to need to know more about kamala, Obama, Mitch and other swampers soon. Who does have split loyalty?
Statement! This is elpn saying hes ready to rumble and fuck around and find out
Look at the end. Citizen of USA, not US.
Passports say United States of America on the cover, not United States. Nationality is listed as United States of America, not United States.
8 U.S. Code § 1449 - Certificate of naturalization; contents
A person admitted to citizenship in conformity with the provisions of this subchapter shall be entitled upon such admission to receive from the Attorney General a certificate of naturalization, which shall contain substantially the following information: Number of application for naturalization; number of certificate of naturalization; date of naturalization; name, signature, place of residence, autographed photograph, and personal description of the naturalized person, including age, sex, marital status, and country of former nationality; location of the district office of the Service in which the application was filed and the title, authority, and location of the official or court administering the oath of allegiance; statement that the Attorney General, having found that the applicant had complied in all respects with all of the applicable provisions of the naturalization laws of the United States, and was entitled to be admitted a citizen of the United States of America, thereupon ordered that the applicant be admitted as a citizen of the United States of America; attestation of an immigration officer; and the seal of the Department of Justice.
So what is the important takeaway?
Hardly anyone is a citizen of the United States, other than those with consular reports of birth abroad, and births in the Territories.
8 United States Code doesn't list the names of the 50 states in its definitions.
Naturalized foreigners are not citizens of the United States because their certificates state that they are citizens of the United States of America.
Treasury Decision 2313 talks about the taxation of nonresident aliens and cites the Brushaber case. If you look at the pleadings in that case, Brushaber declared himself to be a citizen of the State of New York.
Tax laws generally apply to citizens of the United States (and those that claim they are).
WOW!!!!!!
citizen of the united states not us citizen
Anything that starts with US is a corporation and operates under ucc.
That’s the spirit.
You know, some of you guys are ripe targets for people like Jordan Klepper. For those who don't know, he regularly interviews Trump supporters using "gotcha" type questions, making them look ignorant and silly.
For everyone getting all riled up about people holding dual citizenship and how they need to pick a country or get out of the US, and that they're the enemies of America, please note that Barron and Melania Trump (you know, President Trump's wife and youngest son) hold dual citizenship with Slovenia.
I don't know if you all never knew that, or forgot, or are pretending it's not true, but you really should know stuff like this. And you should realize that people who want to make you look stupid will definitely know it and will use it against you.
Either you're saying that Trump's wife and son are enemies of America or they can't be fully loyal to America, and they should ditch their dual citizenship or leave....or you give them a free pass just because of who they are and you're hypocrites.
Remember, this board is supposed to represent Q to the public (most of whom are normies). We're supposed to be smarter and better than this. Aren't we?
The US Citizenship Oath says otherwise. How does Barron have Slovenian citizenship? Since his father is a US citizen, so is Barron from the day he was born. Where is this coming from? Who is passing this off?
Those with dual oaths have US citizenship first, then take a second oath for another country. Many Jewish Americans have taken an Israeli citizenship under Israel's policy, Right of Return, and kept their US citizenship.
By the way, the US does not demand that a naturalized citizen renounce their native citizenship. They can if they wish to. I believe that is where you're getting that oath. That's the oath a naturalized citizen gives if they wish to renounce their native citizenship.
Some foreign countries make you renounce your native citizenship if you become a citizen of a foreign country. Slovenia is not one of those countries. You may keep your citizenship there if you wish and become a naturalized US citizen as well.
"U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship."
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html#:~:text=U.S.%20law%20does%20not%20require,risk%20to%20their%20U.S.%20citizenship.
"U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
https://www.usa.gov/dual-citizenship
You really should check out these links. You'll learn quite a bit.
That's the US government saying it. Not me.
I'm not the one responsible for their citizenship status. I'm not going to defend them one way or another.
If it's a matter of you not believing what I say, I applaud you for your skepticism. Go take a few minutes and look for yourself. It's not a secret.
PS- He's getting his Slovenian citizenship from his mother, who is....Slovenian.
Thanks for the info.
The issue as I understand it is a conflict of interest for government electees, appointees, and employees with dual citizenship.
Not sure involving Melania and Barron is the best argument to negate conflict of interest for legislatures, et al. Still lack admission or proof both have dual citizenship. Just because they can, doesn't mean they do.
Okay. Just curious, if you had evidence that they do hold dual citizenship, how would that change your opinions?
The democrats had a field day concerning Trump, Melania, Barron, and Melania's parents when he became President. Did you pay attention to it when it was going on?
It was when Trump was trying to make/change laws about people coming here on tourist or work visas and chain migration. And he had married a woman who was here on one of the visas he wanted to change. And then when she got her citizenship, she brought her parents over via chain migration. Which was something that Trump was, at the time, trying to reduce or eliminate.
So, yeah, the whole thing about Barron and Melania having dual citizenship and being the immediate family of the US President was chewed over relentlessly.
I'm surprised that you all didn't know/didn't remember any of that. It was a really, really, big deal during the first few months of Trump's presidency.
The attitudes I see here aren't limited to only those in Congress or in government positions. And the question of the loyalty of the President's wife and child is certainly as important as that of those in government positions.
So, yeah. People should really know this type of stuff when they have such strong opinions about it. And calling people with dual citizenship "enemies of America" is quite a strong opinion.
But going back to my original point, I wonder sometimes how well some people here would fare if some lib came up to them with a camera rolling and asked them these types of "gotcha" questions.
Because it is just embarrassing and cringe-worthy to watch what some idiots say on camera, who just so happen to support Trump and/or Q. And then it's made to seem like all Trump/Q supporters are that stupid.
So maybe we should at least be aware of these things. 🤷
Suppose at the time I felt the same as I do now. Seems anchor babies and chain migration has more to do with illegal entry than legal entry. Melania entered legally, so I had and still have no issue with her status.
The dual citizenship issue should be addressed for those in government whether elected, appointed, (sub)contracted, hired. I don't know any pro arguments for such. As for spouses, I suppose it depends. A dual citizenship with Ukraine is not the same as a dual citizenship with Slovenia.
Anchor babies and chain migration are not limited to illegals. A person could come here on a student visa, get pregnant, and have the baby in the US. That's still an anchor baby. It helps the mother (and often other family members) stay in the US longer than their visa would have allowed. The same thing applies to chain migration.
It just adds insult to injury when the person who does either is illegal.
So it depends on what country the person has dual citizenship with if you believe it's a threat to America? Slovenia has sided with Ukraine in this most recent conflict with Russia. Does that affect your opinion?
So, hypothetically, if our next President is a Democrat and has a spouse and child with dual citizenship in Mexico, would you take issue with that? What if they're Canadian? Or Israeli?
I, personally, think that we should hold the same standards for everyone. No matter what their nationality is, they should be treated the same. Because I think it's hypocritical to say we can trust the loyalty of someone based on where they were born. If one person can be believed to be loyal to the US no matter their country of birth, then all the others in that situation should be treated the same. I take the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution seriously. They're both full of the ideas of "all men are created equal" and the laws we have for equal rights. But that's just me. 🤷
Such a conversation is not appropriate here as assumptions are made on intent or purpose that are not accurate. Going back and forth appears to create even more assumptions to fit a debate model. There's an inability, or perhaps, unwillingness to "listen" using this medium. have a good night.
Date fagging: Sep 15 to 23rd, expect something big.
He's gotten/getting $Billions$ from Defence =(U.S. Taxpayer)
The American way, the American dream.
Oh look, that guy that wants to put chips in our brains is saying things that appeal to a Trump base.
Passports - another great big sham.
I'm not really keeping up with the show anymore because it really doesn't concern me until it's showtime (and that's not for several years yet), so I don't know what Elon's been doing.
The guy is generally bad vibes all around.
Then you're not paying close enough attention....
I agreed 💯. I am American only and love God and my country.
He's Pissed off...Have you seen the left attacking him now with him denying access to Starlink on the front for the UkroNazis...I would also react....