Audits only apply to a filed return. Sign on the dotted line and they can audit that return almost in perpetuity. However, when a return is not filed there is another process that takes over. I know because I was involved in a tax revolt back in the seventies. It did not go well for most involved. I was one of the few lucky ones.
It was fairly easy back in the seventies to claim on a W-4 enough exemptions to not have any federal withholding. The employer had to honor it. Now it is different - the IRS clamped down. After not filing a return you will get the usual letters from the IRS, some time later, that you have not filed your return and will be assessed a fine for late file, the interest, blah blah. There is not a whole lot of contact with them for several years. It is easy to think that nothing is happening - but it is.
The statute of limitations on a no-file return is 3 years. At almost the 3 year point the IRS assesses what taxes they think you owe based on the information they have. After they assess the return and determine the money they think you owe they then start the process of collections. In the seventies and eighties there was a 6 year statute of limitations on collections of assessed monies owed. After the 6 years, the collections have to stop unless you have agreed to some payment plan with the IRS which at that point you will pay till they get their money even after you die. On a joint return, they can come after both spouses. Because of previous tax revolts, the IRS has extended that time to 10 years on collections. That is a long time to run from the IRS.
Once an assessed amount is levied by the IRS, including fines and interest, the amount owed can balloon to thousands. I figured I owed originally about $600. By the time the IRS started collections the bill had blown up to $28K in just 3 years. The IRS will not arrest you, but they can sure make your life miserable. They can garnish your wages, clean out your bank account, ruin your credit, and other things. In addition, a bankruptcy will not clear an IRS debt. I was lucky because I was in college at the time and was able to ride out the statute. The sad part were the others I knew that also decided to revolt and the heavy hand of the IRS reached deep into their pockets. So, it may sound like a good thing to do, but think carefully and understand how the process works before taking the leap. Make sure there is water in the pool before you jump. Until the IRS itself is either abolished or revamped, not paying taxes may not be a prudent move.
" The IRS will not arrest you, but they can sure make your life miserable. They can garnish your wages, clean out your bank account, ruin your credit,"
100% correct. You're not going to get arrested, but they will make damn sure your financial life is totally ruined. They can do that in mass because it's automated. They will wait until just before the 3-year statute runs out, then nail you, that's done on purpose.
The IRS needs to be abolished because it's illegal, and I think it will be, but everything takes time.
Nope. Filing an extension only delays payment on a filed return. You are still agreeing that the money is owed. Unless the IRS is abolished they will get you one way or the other.
Once we overpaid our taxes per an IRS letter. We had to end up contacting our Congress Critter in order to get back the money. Took 6 months. The bastards
It has to be in unison. It will never happen without someone like Trump saying "don't pay taxes". Everyone is scared of the repercussions until it's a huge movement.
For last year yes. They still need your money this year.
They got what they already got,dont give them anymore from today forward. Money printer go brrrrrrrrrrrr wether you pay or not. You need your money more than they do.
There are multiple plays. GME will always have the highest short interest, by far, they've kept the price suppressed for like 3 years. Zero debt a billion in the bank. They are becoming profitable again. They aren't going bankrupt. Shorts are fd.
I don't know about y'all, but I lost all my crypto keys and seed phrases in a tragic boating incident awhile back. Truly heartbreaking. If the IRS comes asking, I'll tell them to scrape the bottom of the Delaware river if they want their cut.
Lets Amend The 16th Amendment, to specifically forbid the government from taxing incomes.
I dont think it was properly ratified in the first place,
And if they want to argue it was ratified, then we say it wasn’t ratified by us, and there should be a referendum vote, and we will say if income taxes are so popular, then surely they would pass again.
Theres no reason we have to be eternally enslaved to US income taxes, based on things that other people may or may not have done.
Its time to end US income taxes.
They are oppressive, punitive, and are mostly used for things would never agree to, if we were given a choice.
Never ever pay taxes early. There’s no reason for the governor to owe you money nor to pay ahead of time. I’ve trained my wife who always paid more and he to file for refunds to not question this.
Yes, it was a joke. We need a good wife, one that trusts us and depends on us to lead. Good strong marriages are rare today. Many on here will lie and say they have one. Men and women equally to blame.
There need to be an Insurance revolt too!! My frigging homeowners insurance went up a couple thousand dollars this year, and I can't see any particular reason for it. Granted I do live in the land of Morgan and Morgan lawsuits. Florida's ratio of insurance claims to homeowners per capita is off the charts.
Oh look, a call to action with no instructions how to participate, but share with everyone you know! This is the modern day email chain and it's stupid.
We don't "pay" taxes so we can't "stop paying taxes".
They're stolen before payment for our services is issued.
I can ask an employer to stop stealing it but they'd rather pick the next jobless guy to work their dock that isn't going to be a hassle for them.
If you do this, make sure your assets are protected first. "Sell" everything at market value. Family/friends are suspect. "Market value" protects them.
Buy gold or silver, bury it for later. Find a dumpster with a video camera, toss empty box(es) during daylight hours. That way you can say you knew the IRS was coming for ya, and if they were going to steal it, you were going to make sure no one got it.
If you're not up for that, vacuum-seal your cash and bury it. Then start spending time in casinos. Not one, farm it around a bit. Make sure you use valet parking, keep the stubs. Use your credit card to buy lunch or dinner while your there. Establish the trail. Don't forget to not claim your 'gambling losses'. Save that for the spontaneous lightbulb moment during the IRS interrogation.
I would love to not pay taxes, but he doesn't have the following to convince people and this just a publicity stunt to get attention towards running for president.
I was worried something terrible would happen. I wrote a letter about why I didn't pay and they seem to not care. I am glad more people are joining the bandwagon.
187,000 new IRS agents was a silent threat to anyone refusing to pay future income taxes? Perhaps this is our road forward. I would gladly stop paying taxes if we were all in agreement. I 100% agree, taxation without representation must stop now.
Well if they want to go after people for not paying their taxes, start with all the "green card holders" who either don't pay a friggen cent because they are "self-employed" or get all their taxes back because they have a crap ton of kids!
Unfortunately, the money we pay on taxes isnt the same money going to the illegals, that stuff is printed on the spot. Ours is just pocketed by the elites
Hard to stop paying taxes when you need things that are taxed. Gas, food, clothes, house products, maintenance of things you own, etc. We are taxed on everything! We get a refund instead of paying at end of the year. Maybe because we have the max taken out of check to avoid paying each year. I don’t claim to understand it. Husband does our taxes.
imo.. we'll have to pay taxes this year (for 2023) but probably won't for 2024, or maybe 2025. . .I think part of the plan has been to eliminate income tax, and property tax, but i'm not going to revolt and fail to file.
also I don't know if anyone has heard of "georgism" property tax.. this is just more communism/ marxism.. don't fall for it. these people will try to replace income tax with this hot garbage.
we'll have to pay taxes this year (for 2023) but probably won't for 2024, or maybe 2025. . .I think part of the plan has been to eliminate income tax, and property tax
Thanks, it isn't about what I need, but I'll still upvote the question. Just wondering if you're having the same soaring rapturous fantasy I've had for decades about the elimination of income tax and property tax, or if there's any reason to think there's some kind of reality to it.
the Q end game is to return the United states to a constitutional republic, , this is being done by waking people up, and THEN, getting rid of the bad criminal evil .. the plan has several obvious phases and parts, one of which is financial. the Financial stage is where their money gets Taken from them and given to people that are very angry at the corruption.. this phase seems to be happening soon, , but i've been wrong on dates before. the Financial stage involves not just making them poor, but also exposes the criminal./ traitorous activities by the assholes.
part of returning to a constitutional republic involves removing all the deep state.. the deep state ARE all the 3 letter agencies, including the IRS, in order to remove them thou, requires a deep and widespread anger at it first. it seems as if we are in the beginning stages of everyone hating the IRS, but we aren't there yet. . this is just from my observations as to where the WH's seem to post.. this is why I think the IRS wiil be gone as an entity within a year or two. it isn't a rapturous fantasy iv'e had for decades, I just do a lot of observing,
This is really a matter of how you have your W-4 filled out if you are employed by someone or a company. If often get a refund you would have to increase the number of dependents on your W-4 to lower the amount withheld from your paycheck. Then come tax time next year you would owe and decided whether to pay or not. Not filing for a refund would be stupid and actually have the opposite effect.
W-4 contains a question. US citizen? This is where it starts. It is not the only thing. If I am not mistaken, we have someone here on GAW who has successfully withdrawn himself from the voluntary tax collection scam.
The US government tax and spending system is very redistributive (socialist). It moves money from wealthy states (mostly liberal) on the east and west coast to poorer (mostly conservative) states in the middle
If the US government tax and spending system breaks down then money stops being redistributed. Conservative states will get a lot poorer, liberal states a lot richer. Some Conservative states will lose 35% of their GDP.
Be careful what you wish for - this looks like a liberal trap
They can't audit every blade of grass
Audits only apply to a filed return. Sign on the dotted line and they can audit that return almost in perpetuity. However, when a return is not filed there is another process that takes over. I know because I was involved in a tax revolt back in the seventies. It did not go well for most involved. I was one of the few lucky ones.
It was fairly easy back in the seventies to claim on a W-4 enough exemptions to not have any federal withholding. The employer had to honor it. Now it is different - the IRS clamped down. After not filing a return you will get the usual letters from the IRS, some time later, that you have not filed your return and will be assessed a fine for late file, the interest, blah blah. There is not a whole lot of contact with them for several years. It is easy to think that nothing is happening - but it is.
The statute of limitations on a no-file return is 3 years. At almost the 3 year point the IRS assesses what taxes they think you owe based on the information they have. After they assess the return and determine the money they think you owe they then start the process of collections. In the seventies and eighties there was a 6 year statute of limitations on collections of assessed monies owed. After the 6 years, the collections have to stop unless you have agreed to some payment plan with the IRS which at that point you will pay till they get their money even after you die. On a joint return, they can come after both spouses. Because of previous tax revolts, the IRS has extended that time to 10 years on collections. That is a long time to run from the IRS.
Once an assessed amount is levied by the IRS, including fines and interest, the amount owed can balloon to thousands. I figured I owed originally about $600. By the time the IRS started collections the bill had blown up to $28K in just 3 years. The IRS will not arrest you, but they can sure make your life miserable. They can garnish your wages, clean out your bank account, ruin your credit, and other things. In addition, a bankruptcy will not clear an IRS debt. I was lucky because I was in college at the time and was able to ride out the statute. The sad part were the others I knew that also decided to revolt and the heavy hand of the IRS reached deep into their pockets. So, it may sound like a good thing to do, but think carefully and understand how the process works before taking the leap. Make sure there is water in the pool before you jump. Until the IRS itself is either abolished or revamped, not paying taxes may not be a prudent move.
" The IRS will not arrest you, but they can sure make your life miserable. They can garnish your wages, clean out your bank account, ruin your credit,"
Or nothing. You got me right there.
Upvoted for wealth of good info
Time to abolish the IRS then.
Extension gives you until Oct to file, but you still have to pay by Apr 15.
Or incur late payment interest.
Nope. Filing an extension only delays payment on a filed return. You are still agreeing that the money is owed. Unless the IRS is abolished they will get you one way or the other.
Genius!!
I like this thinking
Most working people, imo, have paid in all year to receive a refund…..hard to not pay what you already paid.
Refund?! I haven't seen a refund in ages.
Once we overpaid our taxes per an IRS letter. We had to end up contacting our Congress Critter in order to get back the money. Took 6 months. The bastards
Once the taxpayer understands that their taxes go to paying the Feds interest ONLY, I believe this revolt will take off.
It has to be in unison. It will never happen without someone like Trump saying "don't pay taxes". Everyone is scared of the repercussions until it's a huge movement.
Believe me, the spirit of "no taxation without representation" is still alive in this country-the IRS bullies won't be able to walk down the street...
I hear you brother, but I really don't see it happening unless some huge influencer got millions of people to do it.
You are correct
What about Rand Paul or his dad??
Taylor Swift?
Only reason to watch the super bowl IMO
If Swift & Kelce announced we should stop paying taxes it would be worth the drama others put around it all 🤣🤣🤣
^^^THIS.
The J6ers peek through the steel mesh screen with interest....
Yes, we need our own NGOs and George Soroses to help us get organized. We don't have that. Trump is the closest that we have.
THIS ☝️ I believe POTUS will abolish the IRS, The FED and much more.
If POTUS led the charge we would follow. u/queue-anon
For last year yes. They still need your money this year.
They got what they already got,dont give them anymore from today forward. Money printer go brrrrrrrrrrrr wether you pay or not. You need your money more than they do.
That's an argument they've deemed frivolous so many times
Yes, they have. And there are remedies for it. You won’t win playing only defense.
They are doing it wrong.
Not paying your taxes is anti- Semitic.
Kek
m00n s00n
Some good DD on the teddy board recently.
If towel ends up being “the play”, there are going to be about 200,000 pissed off apes.
Kek
We tried to share with them,but platinum skankles wouldn't let us.
One stonk will lift the others, I belive. And most of us own both.
There are multiple plays. GME will always have the highest short interest, by far, they've kept the price suppressed for like 3 years. Zero debt a billion in the bank. They are becoming profitable again. They aren't going bankrupt. Shorts are fd.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Teddy/comments/1akbeiy/gamestop_will_acquire_dkbutterfly1/
Thanks! I’m 100% in GME. I don’t hold towel so it’ll be interesting to see which way this goes.
Same, I didn't get a chance to buy any BBBY.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Teddy/comments/1akbeiy/gamestop_will_acquire_dkbutterfly1/
Same guy that posted DD yesterday
We have some great DD writers. I belive its coming very soon.
GMErica will destroy wall street.
They have pulled the same shit so many times, that a bear trap could be set easily.....
I don't know about y'all, but I lost all my crypto keys and seed phrases in a tragic boating incident awhile back. Truly heartbreaking. If the IRS comes asking, I'll tell them to scrape the bottom of the Delaware river if they want their cut.
u/#q456
This is the way
https://qagg.news/?read=4962
u/#q4962
Lets Amend The 16th Amendment, to specifically forbid the government from taxing incomes.
I dont think it was properly ratified in the first place,
And if they want to argue it was ratified, then we say it wasn’t ratified by us, and there should be a referendum vote, and we will say if income taxes are so popular, then surely they would pass again.
Theres no reason we have to be eternally enslaved to US income taxes, based on things that other people may or may not have done.
Its time to end US income taxes.
They are oppressive, punitive, and are mostly used for things would never agree to, if we were given a choice.
How many Americans would send money to Ukraine?
So revise withholding and don’t pay April 15th. My wife will freak.
Mine too. How can we convince our wives? My wife wants to pay taxes this Thursday!
Never ever pay taxes early. There’s no reason for the governor to owe you money nor to pay ahead of time. I’ve trained my wife who always paid more and he to file for refunds to not question this.
Wives are the downfall of good men.
I don’t agree with this...but men need to stand their ground and not compromise their ethics nor convictions.
Only the wrong wife
Yes, it was a joke. We need a good wife, one that trusts us and depends on us to lead. Good strong marriages are rare today. Many on here will lie and say they have one. Men and women equally to blame.
There need to be an Insurance revolt too!! My frigging homeowners insurance went up a couple thousand dollars this year, and I can't see any particular reason for it. Granted I do live in the land of Morgan and Morgan lawsuits. Florida's ratio of insurance claims to homeowners per capita is off the charts.
insurance is a racket like everything else..........
You got it.
Oh look, a call to action with no instructions how to participate, but share with everyone you know! This is the modern day email chain and it's stupid.
We don't "pay" taxes so we can't "stop paying taxes".
They're stolen before payment for our services is issued.
I can ask an employer to stop stealing it but they'd rather pick the next jobless guy to work their dock that isn't going to be a hassle for them.
So what then, learn to code?
Get a job at the IRS. They don't pay...
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2019/04/irs-doesnt-fire-its-tax-delinquent-employees-law-requires/156399/
I don't want to risk being instructed to arrest or shoot my frens, here
If you do this, make sure your assets are protected first. "Sell" everything at market value. Family/friends are suspect. "Market value" protects them.
Buy gold or silver, bury it for later. Find a dumpster with a video camera, toss empty box(es) during daylight hours. That way you can say you knew the IRS was coming for ya, and if they were going to steal it, you were going to make sure no one got it.
If you're not up for that, vacuum-seal your cash and bury it. Then start spending time in casinos. Not one, farm it around a bit. Make sure you use valet parking, keep the stubs. Use your credit card to buy lunch or dinner while your there. Establish the trail. Don't forget to not claim your 'gambling losses'. Save that for the spontaneous lightbulb moment during the IRS interrogation.
gold
home
At the casino you can also find other people’s slips that show losses. It’s not like their names are on them.
This guy is running for president against Trump: https://anthonyhudson2k24.com/
He also has 900 followers.
I would love to not pay taxes, but he doesn't have the following to convince people and this just a publicity stunt to get attention towards running for president.
As a poor man, I'm way ahead of the curve on this one kek
Finally, I’ve said this multiple times on this board. This will be year two of unfiled taxes.
I was worried something terrible would happen. I wrote a letter about why I didn't pay and they seem to not care. I am glad more people are joining the bandwagon.
I've paid plenty of taxes, but never filed for a tax return in my 15 years of adulthood.
Let’s do this! Now IS the time.
They don't need our taxes if they are just printing more money. Don't go to jail for make-believe paper. There are real casualties in this war.
There's rumblings of this on the left too. They are not thrilled that their tax dollars are funding Israel's bs
187,000 new IRS agents was a silent threat to anyone refusing to pay future income taxes? Perhaps this is our road forward. I would gladly stop paying taxes if we were all in agreement. I 100% agree, taxation without representation must stop now.
"it can be proved in a court of law"
Maybe a court in North Dakota that hasn't been compromised yet.
Could not possibly agree more with this man!!
I haven't paid taxes, either state or federal, since 1996.
Can we dump 1040 paper tax forms in the Boston harbor on tax day?
I've been wanting to do this ever since homo o'biden got into office. but if I'm getting [MY] $ back i'm not refusing
Is there a nitter link for this post? I'd like to see what they are saying in comments.
Here you go!
https://nitter.catsarch.com/WallStreetApes/status/1754600239519219745
Thanks fren!
Is this why the IRS hired 70,000+ more armed agents in anticipation of this revolt? Something to contemplate.
Well if they want to go after people for not paying their taxes, start with all the "green card holders" who either don't pay a friggen cent because they are "self-employed" or get all their taxes back because they have a crap ton of kids!
Tax policy is the same for green card holders as for citizens. Deductions for business expenses and for dependents are available to you, too.
Unfortunately, the money we pay on taxes isnt the same money going to the illegals, that stuff is printed on the spot. Ours is just pocketed by the elites
It's about damn time
Careful with the property tax, they know the location of your property.
Hard to stop paying taxes when you need things that are taxed. Gas, food, clothes, house products, maintenance of things you own, etc. We are taxed on everything! We get a refund instead of paying at end of the year. Maybe because we have the max taken out of check to avoid paying each year. I don’t claim to understand it. Husband does our taxes.
Sales tax is less ridiculous than income tax, which is paying to work.
imo.. we'll have to pay taxes this year (for 2023) but probably won't for 2024, or maybe 2025. . .I think part of the plan has been to eliminate income tax, and property tax, but i'm not going to revolt and fail to file.
also I don't know if anyone has heard of "georgism" property tax.. this is just more communism/ marxism.. don't fall for it. these people will try to replace income tax with this hot garbage.
Wait, what??
what part do you need elaboration on?
Thanks, it isn't about what I need, but I'll still upvote the question. Just wondering if you're having the same soaring rapturous fantasy I've had for decades about the elimination of income tax and property tax, or if there's any reason to think there's some kind of reality to it.
the Q end game is to return the United states to a constitutional republic, , this is being done by waking people up, and THEN, getting rid of the bad criminal evil .. the plan has several obvious phases and parts, one of which is financial. the Financial stage is where their money gets Taken from them and given to people that are very angry at the corruption.. this phase seems to be happening soon, , but i've been wrong on dates before. the Financial stage involves not just making them poor, but also exposes the criminal./ traitorous activities by the assholes.
part of returning to a constitutional republic involves removing all the deep state.. the deep state ARE all the 3 letter agencies, including the IRS, in order to remove them thou, requires a deep and widespread anger at it first. it seems as if we are in the beginning stages of everyone hating the IRS, but we aren't there yet. . this is just from my observations as to where the WH's seem to post.. this is why I think the IRS wiil be gone as an entity within a year or two. it isn't a rapturous fantasy iv'e had for decades, I just do a lot of observing,
Needs to be a coordinated hard date where they get completely overwhelmed.
I’m in.
This is really a matter of how you have your W-4 filled out if you are employed by someone or a company. If often get a refund you would have to increase the number of dependents on your W-4 to lower the amount withheld from your paycheck. Then come tax time next year you would owe and decided whether to pay or not. Not filing for a refund would be stupid and actually have the opposite effect.
W-4 contains a question. US citizen? This is where it starts. It is not the only thing. If I am not mistaken, we have someone here on GAW who has successfully withdrawn himself from the voluntary tax collection scam.
Once again
The US government tax and spending system is very redistributive (socialist). It moves money from wealthy states (mostly liberal) on the east and west coast to poorer (mostly conservative) states in the middle
If the US government tax and spending system breaks down then money stops being redistributed. Conservative states will get a lot poorer, liberal states a lot richer. Some Conservative states will lose 35% of their GDP.
Be careful what you wish for - this looks like a liberal trap