I am still in the "no tariffs until no income tax" camp.
No income tax is the promise, and I won't accept tariffs until that condition is met. That just ends up double fucking us the moment another RINO or Dem gets in office.
It's a good start for someone not even in office yet. But we need to go all the way. Score that goal. Sink that basket.
People on the left are already using it to ridicule us as they claim we voted for Trump because of inflation and they say tariffs are going to cause everything to skyrocket even worse so jokes on us… I definitely agree that Trump needs to takes care of us first so we can either afford the tariffs or higher cost for American made goods. And also to provide a good slap on the left side so they can stfu and eat their words.
True, but we need the economy fixed first, because right now, Tax Return= Life saver. Only time I can afford to repair my cars enough to get thru the year and pay off my bills.
You sound like you dont know how taxes work. Tax refund at end of year means you overpaid your taxes throughout the year. No income tax would mean you keep all of that tax money in the first place.
Of course. But an extra few bucks a week would get spent. A few grand at tax time lets me catch up for the year. If prices were at 2018 level I could actually save money but my wages have not kept up with inflation.
We're going to see some radical changes once Trump is sworn in. The only question is what will he be able to pass through the squishy republicans in Congress?
Don't forget that Q has everything, even on squishy Republicans. Maybe he will release some documents or videos that put these congress critters in an unfriendly light, so their constituents can see what they do behind closed doors which runs counter to the Constitution they swore to uphold.
I think they will take excellent political bites out of the taxes (tips, etc) while they spin up the tariffs. Then likely it will be only the top 5% until the energy exports are spun up.
Except the tax code is not a feature of the federal government, but congress. Just the fact that this will be actively and publicly debated is a win, but I'm confident it won't happen in these next 4 years...
Tax on corporate gains is considered constitutional, as the owner of said company is producing goods and profiting off it. Labor income however, is not.
I don't like this. I thought Trump wanted to get rid of taxes not replace it with another form of tax. Hmmm, i'll need more info before I make a final decision, though. I wish my local taxes were lower, go to a store and I'm paying darn near ten percent for all taxes lumped together. It should be around three percent if you ask me.
Trump will absolutely have to eliminate taxes on working class incomes for this to work. This could be the primary step in eliminating income tax altogether.
Well, right, it can't do that if it's truly a flat tax. Right now I'm not poverty-stricken, but am poor enough not to pay federal income tax, and half of Americans are in my same boat. What's our incentive to support this?
The wealthy currently don’t pay much income tax. They buy assets and write down tax burdens through loopholes designed buy them and for them. This will force those people to pay their share while Trump is working on implementing tariffs. The working class has always paid more taxes than anyone else, unfairly and also by design. These people (us) will need to be exempt from the flat tax to eliminate them from continuing to be over burdened and paying more in taxes proportionately. The working class are who elected Trump into office and who are needed for the next MAGA candidate. So, Trump has talked about no taxes on tips, overtime, social security benefits for seniors. It only makes sense that a flat income tax be exempt from this same class during the transition to tariffs. The wealthy will have to bare the burden and can afford to. This can finally happen if the current tax code is scrapped. This is my take and hopefully I made it fairly clear. Let’s see what happens..
There is no such thing as your share, or their share. That is just brainwashed talk. The fact is that none of us should be paying tax. Tariffs were the way our founders went, not direct taxation on the people. Only those working for the federal government had a tax liability.
Since strongarming taxes upon us, government has raised taxes to find ways to use it, not to meet increased costs. They have created unconstitutional departments, programs, and causes to spend money on, and then want more like the greedy bastards they are.
“The government taxes you when you bring home a paycheck. It taxes you when you make a phone call. It taxes you when you turn on a light. It taxes you when you sell a stock. It taxes you when you fill your car with gas. It taxes you when you ride a plane. It taxes you when you get married. Then it taxes you when you die. This is taxual insanity and it must end.” ~ J. C. Watts, Jr. (1957- ) US Congressman from Oklahoma (R), former quarterback in the Canadian Football League
“To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, 'to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.' For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
“But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.” ~ Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) [Claude Frederic Bastiat] French economist, statesman, and author. He did most of his writing during the years just before -- and immediately following -- the French Revolution of February 1848
"The Law" by Frederic Bastiat (1848)
“The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to the public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. The wise and correct course to follow in taxation is not to destroy those who have already secured success, but to create conditions under which everyone will have a better chance to be successful.” ~ Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933) 30th US President
“It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth part.” ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) US Founding Father
“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
Virginia Statutes of Religious Freedom, 1779.
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” ~ James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
1792, in disapproval of Congress appropriating $15,000 to assist some French refugees
“Beware the greedy hand of government, thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” ~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809) US Founding father, pamphleteer, author
“The theory of the IRS is rather repugnant to me because the assumption is made that I, the government, owns 100% of your income and I permit you to keep 5%, 10% or 20%. You're vulnerable, you've sold out. The government can take 80% if they want, which they did at one time.” ~ Dr. Ron Paul (1935-) American physician, US Congressman (R-TX), US Presidential candidate
Candidates@Google interview, July 13, 2007
I'm taking all of this as wait and see. This mess is to confound the enemy so I say let it be that. It's fucking November 23 FFS. Pop your corn and chill frens.
Congress can write general law for the territories and laws for the States of the Union that come under the powers of the federal government as written in the Constitution. Congress has no duty to inform you which hat they are wearing.
Explain why 8 United States Code doesn't contain the names of all the States of the Union? I have searched.
Explain why the US Treasury published Treasury Decision 2313 (TD2313) in which they deemed Brushaber, a man born in New York, as nonresident and alien (meaning non-citizen) to the United States.
Bottom line, people born in the 50 states have citizenship in their states, and not the United States (the federal government, Washington DC).
The tax laws apply to US citizens, and non-citizens receiving money from federal sources.
Hopefully eliminating income tax will come incrementally. Rid the USA of the IRS. That will save some serious money. And cut almost all of the 3 letter agencies.
Nope, part of the FED which will be dissolved. There will be no need for the IRS to exist in the new republic. It is an abomination to the constitution. Don’t know how you could argue otherwise.
They are already being underfunded. I have friends that haven’t paid taxes in almost 10 years and nothings been done about it.
Income Tax = Slave Tax
This. It's still income tax. They took the shackle off your left leg and put it on the right...and everybody cheers.
I am still in the "no tariffs until no income tax" camp.
No income tax is the promise, and I won't accept tariffs until that condition is met. That just ends up double fucking us the moment another RINO or Dem gets in office.
It's a good start for someone not even in office yet. But we need to go all the way. Score that goal. Sink that basket.
People on the left are already using it to ridicule us as they claim we voted for Trump because of inflation and they say tariffs are going to cause everything to skyrocket even worse so jokes on us… I definitely agree that Trump needs to takes care of us first so we can either afford the tariffs or higher cost for American made goods. And also to provide a good slap on the left side so they can stfu and eat their words.
Movement and momentum in the right direction is moar gooderer than hillary clinton and those like her tho...
True, but we need the economy fixed first, because right now, Tax Return= Life saver. Only time I can afford to repair my cars enough to get thru the year and pay off my bills.
You sound like you dont know how taxes work. Tax refund at end of year means you overpaid your taxes throughout the year. No income tax would mean you keep all of that tax money in the first place.
Of course. But an extra few bucks a week would get spent. A few grand at tax time lets me catch up for the year. If prices were at 2018 level I could actually save money but my wages have not kept up with inflation.
We're going to see some radical changes once Trump is sworn in. The only question is what will he be able to pass through the squishy republicans in Congress?
Don't forget that Q has everything, even on squishy Republicans. Maybe he will release some documents or videos that put these congress critters in an unfriendly light, so their constituents can see what they do behind closed doors which runs counter to the Constitution they swore to uphold.
Biden set precedent with that flurry of executive orders day one. I have a feeling potus will return the favor.
This is why I think there needs to be a precipice still. Trump said "the pause" will make things way easier in his 2nd term.
I do not see any congressfags changing as of late. I still see the same old bull shit.
Precipice needs to occur and mass arrests by military.
People are demanding he flush the swamp.
Before he would have been called a drastic move. Folks also hate the msm.
Don Jr is NOT DJT. Maybe wait a little?
I think they will take excellent political bites out of the taxes (tips, etc) while they spin up the tariffs. Then likely it will be only the top 5% until the energy exports are spun up.
From your mouth. If thays what they are doing g then they should spell it out. I'm onboard and patient if that's the plan amd its explained.
Federal tax is illegal.
Except the tax code is not a feature of the federal government, but congress. Just the fact that this will be actively and publicly debated is a win, but I'm confident it won't happen in these next 4 years...
Not a feature of the Executive branch...but your point is valid
Why have any tax espescially when it's unconstitutional? This isnt returning to rule of law. As long as we don't fix this we fix nothing.
Tax on corporate gains is considered constitutional, as the owner of said company is producing goods and profiting off it. Labor income however, is not.
“Corporate Gains” being, specifically, gains from sale of stock, not company profits.
I don't like this. I thought Trump wanted to get rid of taxes not replace it with another form of tax. Hmmm, i'll need more info before I make a final decision, though. I wish my local taxes were lower, go to a store and I'm paying darn near ten percent for all taxes lumped together. It should be around three percent if you ask me.
Unrelated to anything but I keep reading "LFG" as "Looking For Group" and it confuses me every time.
lol same. WTF does it mean?
Let’s f*ing go
"Let's Fucking Go", but "Looking For Group" was already in my acronym lexicon WELL before it was Go time.
Trump will absolutely have to eliminate taxes on working class incomes for this to work. This could be the primary step in eliminating income tax altogether.
Well, right, it can't do that if it's truly a flat tax. Right now I'm not poverty-stricken, but am poor enough not to pay federal income tax, and half of Americans are in my same boat. What's our incentive to support this?
The wealthy currently don’t pay much income tax. They buy assets and write down tax burdens through loopholes designed buy them and for them. This will force those people to pay their share while Trump is working on implementing tariffs. The working class has always paid more taxes than anyone else, unfairly and also by design. These people (us) will need to be exempt from the flat tax to eliminate them from continuing to be over burdened and paying more in taxes proportionately. The working class are who elected Trump into office and who are needed for the next MAGA candidate. So, Trump has talked about no taxes on tips, overtime, social security benefits for seniors. It only makes sense that a flat income tax be exempt from this same class during the transition to tariffs. The wealthy will have to bare the burden and can afford to. This can finally happen if the current tax code is scrapped. This is my take and hopefully I made it fairly clear. Let’s see what happens..
There is no such thing as your share, or their share. That is just brainwashed talk. The fact is that none of us should be paying tax. Tariffs were the way our founders went, not direct taxation on the people. Only those working for the federal government had a tax liability.
Since strongarming taxes upon us, government has raised taxes to find ways to use it, not to meet increased costs. They have created unconstitutional departments, programs, and causes to spend money on, and then want more like the greedy bastards they are.
“The government taxes you when you bring home a paycheck. It taxes you when you make a phone call. It taxes you when you turn on a light. It taxes you when you sell a stock. It taxes you when you fill your car with gas. It taxes you when you ride a plane. It taxes you when you get married. Then it taxes you when you die. This is taxual insanity and it must end.” ~ J. C. Watts, Jr. (1957- ) US Congressman from Oklahoma (R), former quarterback in the Canadian Football League
“To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, 'to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.' For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
“But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.” ~ Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) [Claude Frederic Bastiat] French economist, statesman, and author. He did most of his writing during the years just before -- and immediately following -- the French Revolution of February 1848 "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat (1848)
“The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to the public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. The wise and correct course to follow in taxation is not to destroy those who have already secured success, but to create conditions under which everyone will have a better chance to be successful.” ~ Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933) 30th US President
“It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth part.” ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) US Founding Father
“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Virginia Statutes of Religious Freedom, 1779.
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” ~ James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President 1792, in disapproval of Congress appropriating $15,000 to assist some French refugees
“Beware the greedy hand of government, thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” ~ Thomas Paine (1737-1809) US Founding father, pamphleteer, author
“The theory of the IRS is rather repugnant to me because the assumption is made that I, the government, owns 100% of your income and I permit you to keep 5%, 10% or 20%. You're vulnerable, you've sold out. The government can take 80% if they want, which they did at one time.” ~ Dr. Ron Paul (1935-) American physician, US Congressman (R-TX), US Presidential candidate Candidates@Google interview, July 13, 2007
Exempt the first $50,000 per person
I'm taking all of this as wait and see. This mess is to confound the enemy so I say let it be that. It's fucking November 23 FFS. Pop your corn and chill frens.
It confounds us, as well. It does double-duty.
Congress can write general law for the territories and laws for the States of the Union that come under the powers of the federal government as written in the Constitution. Congress has no duty to inform you which hat they are wearing.
Explain why 8 United States Code doesn't contain the names of all the States of the Union? I have searched.
Explain why the US Treasury published Treasury Decision 2313 (TD2313) in which they deemed Brushaber, a man born in New York, as nonresident and alien (meaning non-citizen) to the United States.
Bottom line, people born in the 50 states have citizenship in their states, and not the United States (the federal government, Washington DC).
The tax laws apply to US citizens, and non-citizens receiving money from federal sources.
Hopefully eliminating income tax will come incrementally. Rid the USA of the IRS. That will save some serious money. And cut almost all of the 3 letter agencies.
IRS is going away- 100%!
No it isn't unfortunately
Yep, totally is. No doubt. Trump’s already been talking about it. It’s part of the FED, the FED is gonna be gone.
No it isn't, it will just be restructured.
Nope, part of the FED which will be dissolved. There will be no need for the IRS to exist in the new republic. It is an abomination to the constitution. Don’t know how you could argue otherwise. They are already being underfunded. I have friends that haven’t paid taxes in almost 10 years and nothings been done about it.
A sales tax is the only solution. Spend like a rich person, pay like a rich person. Spend like a poor person, pay like a poor person
Flat tax of 0%?
Doesn't have the authority.
Two weeks!