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Elon Musk: "How can this be called a “continuing resolution” if it includes a 40% pay increase for Congress?" - A pay increase for members of Congress from $174,000 to $243,000 per year. (twitter.com)
posted 147 days ago by GDZeus 147 days ago by GDZeus +225 / -0
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– Anon80085 25 points 147 days ago +25 / -0

I approve a 40% pay decrease

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– 13ColoniesPatriot 13 points 147 days ago +13 / -0

and no free health plan for life, make them all pay like us.

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– jbostonbaby17 18 points 147 days ago +18 / -0

why should they get a pay raise when their bosses, we the people, are struggling to pay our bills. No pay raise, in fact, we need a freeze on pay until the national debt is paid down. We can't keep paying more and more money out of thin air and increasing the debt while everyday people are struggling and veterans are homeless. Solve some of the problems plaquing America and then we can address if a pay raise is warranted. Who gets a 40% pay raise in one swoop anyways. Only those that can give it to themselves without any regard to where it will come from.

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– dtxman75 15 points 147 days ago +15 / -0

The national debt isn't what you think it is. It is not something that can be payed down. It's another grand illusion perpetrated on the american people and is important every single citizen understand this in order to stop repeating this kind of sentiment.

The "debt" is the amount of currency in circulation, interest payment for this loan and some other legacy programs and entitlements, but by and large the debt is what is loaned to the American people from the federal reserve because in 1913 they removed the responsibility of congress to manage and create the federal currency.

To pay off the debt is in fact to remove or dissolve the federal reserve. Can't pay off a debt with what is the mechanism of that debt.

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– MAG768720 2 points 147 days ago +3 / -1

It is not something that can be payed down.

Of course, it can be paid down. It's a debt.

The "debt" is the amount of currency in circulation

No, currency is M1 money supply. The national debt is debt owed.

the debt is what is loaned to the American people from the federal reserve

The American people own some of the debt instruments (treasury securities), but also foreigners (Chyna), as well as the US gov't itself (so-called "non-marketable securities").

To pay off the debt is in fact to remove or dissolve the federal reserve.

Technically, the debt COULD be paid off without dissolving the Fed, but the problem would still exist -- the Fed creating money from nothing and earning massive amounts of free interest, making those who are insiders massively wealthy.

I do agree, the Federal Reserve must be abolished. This would eventually solve the problem.

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– The_Watcher 8 points 147 days ago +8 / -0

The national debt is debt owed.

To whom is that money owed? Who had that big a pile of money in the first place just waiting to be lent to someone?

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– Rotor 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Exactly... This.

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– dtxman75 5 points 147 days ago +5 / -0

Sure. Some of which you reference here is accurate in context. I wasn't going into details of securities and the like. That is a broader and more nuanced discussion.

Because it's called a debt does not make it a debt. It's a loan, of currency, fiat money, federal IOU on behalf of we the people to the owner, the federal reserve. If someone loans you are car, is it a debt? Do you pay that debt off with the same car.

How exactly then does the federal "debt" get paid off? How does America pay down the national debt? With dollars? Lol. Sure another tangible could be used, let's say gold. And now ripping off each American citizen twice by doing so.

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– cyberrigger 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

default ----- if every knows it can't be paid off ----- there is no illusion ----- you loaned money to a bad borrower ---- default ---- people knew what they were getting into ---- default and move on

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– 2thclnr05 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Seems like a lot of taxes are paid in every year but that money is abused and mishandled. The amount of money going to other countries is not the tax payers responsibility and neither should the debt from these bogus wars they have made.

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– hundro 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

If I lend you 1000 of my special tokens and require you to pay them back with 5 tokens/year of interest, can you pay it off?

I think this is what u/dtxman75 is alluding to?

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– dtxman75 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

That is another good example in a layer of the mess our monetary system is fundamentally based on. Making total some "debt" 1005 special tokens. Paying X fiat (debt) back in Y fiat (payment) with Z fiat (interest)

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– WhyAserverWasBuilt 9 points 147 days ago +9 / -0

Obamacare good enough for us then it's god enough for them.

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– ILoveIvermectin 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

They’ve got something in the bill for Obamacare also

https://nitter.poast.org/TomFitton/status/1869394559098044422#m

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– DCGRITS 9 points 147 days ago +9 / -0

And why should they get a pay raise when they can NEVER approve a budget on time. Seems to me they are failing at their job.

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– wasupwitdis 4 points 147 days ago +4 / -0

they need a pay CUT and have to get OBAMACARE like they shoved up everyones ass.....and they need to pay for it themself....

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– Hope4thefuture 3 points 147 days ago +3 / -0

Things need to change in Congress. (1-instead of voting their own pay raise, their constituents in their district/states need to say “yes or no” based upon performance. 2). Term limits must be established. 3). Stock trading of Congress and immediate family members or by anyone on their behalf must be banned. 4) End lobbyists influencing Congress. Make it illegal to accept gifts or financial gain from lobbyists. 5). Ban Congress from accepting any jobs from companies for which they approved contracts, or any finances. 6). Disclose the slush fund and individuals involved and then ban taxpayer dollars propping it up. 7). Make Congress live by the laws they pass: government health care-stop the Congressional private Cadillac plan. Pass a law, every member of Congress must live by it.

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– FastestRacist 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Why would you want to make being a politician such a worthless job? It takes spending hundreds of millions of dollars to even get the position in the first place.

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– Hope4thefuture 2 points 146 days ago +2 / -0

Today’s Congress is in it for their personal benefit, not for the country or its constituents. By limiting the financial scams, only those with true love of the country will campaign for the position. Limit funds used to campaign which will give everyone a chance. With most government workers “working from home”, take the unused government buildings and convert them into affordable apartments for Congressional members. The salaries of Congress and D.C. cost of living encourages fraud to pay to live there.

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– FastestRacist 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Limiting funding just leads to more corruption and makes is so anyone unapproved even attempting to run gets charged for corruption despite everyone else doing it.

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– 2thclnr05 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Should it really cost that much to campaign? And if that’s the case mainly rich people are all that can afford to run and most of those have no real understanding of the everyday common man’s life struggles

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– FastestRacist 0 points 146 days ago +1 / -1

Advertising and buying endorsements is an expensive industry, I'm not sure how you would get around that. the way I see it any attempt to enforce limits would just lead to even more corruption.

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– Paul_Revere 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

Mommy, I wanna be a kongressvermin when I grow up, so I can be corrupt, too!

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– FastestRacist 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

If you wanted to actually deal with corruption you'd need to pay politicians more than the net profits of any one industry.

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– Rotor 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

Do the American people also get to “opt out” of Obamacare? I know my insurance went from fabulouse to shit after Obamacare came into being. You all pledged to repeal it but you all cucked on that one....

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– cyberrigger 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

Need to DOGE everyone of those mutherfuckers who voted for it.

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– 307Sleeper 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

Nancy must need help with her medical bills, insider trading is just not sufficient.

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– RocknnRobin 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

(Cue sad violin music)

…Poor congress critters…whatever shall they do when mean ol’Trump kills their Ukraine cash cow—? Your deplorable tax dollars aren’t going to funnel themselves!!!

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– Hankey77-78 2 points 147 days ago +2 / -0

It's because they know inflation is 40%

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– alphaliberal 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

It's outrageous considering 70+% are living paycheck to paycheck, meaning falling behind, or worse losing everything.

Rent, cars, insurance medical and car/house ect, utilities, phone, groceries, property taxes, taxes in general, gas and everything else is:

TO DAMNED HIGH!

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– Bully_Solution 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

From the movie "Used Cars"

For a fraction of a second it says 17 seconds then 16. kek

"That's too fucking high"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnvX_gxGKcM

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– ZeroDeltaTango 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

What's to stop the CONgress from voting themselves 1000% raises...or Biden from issuing a blanket commutation of all federal prison sentences - ALL federal prisoners set free

Nothing

We're just getting lucky so far

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– ShadiLayMeDown 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Tar. Feathers. Lampposts.

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– SpoonySmalls 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Hella pay

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– GeorgeMcPottyMouth 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

QUID PRO QUO ,

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– PatrioticWoman45 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

How about a pay cut until they balance the budget?

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– Dogelog 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Easy way to pay it off. Make a coin from us treasury a 40 trillion dollar coin. Mint it. Give to federal reserve. Debt paid in full

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– SOGWAP 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Thats how you bribe votes.

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– Bloggerchick 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Brunson decision rids us of these parasites, anyway. I reckon we'll be doing government a little differently in short order.

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– Kilowatt2066 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

There should be NO pay increases until Trump takes office and Elon and VIVIC start on the DOGE

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– FastestRacist -3 points 147 days ago +1 / -4

Politicians should be paid far more, not sure why everyone is getting bent out of shape over a paycheck that's less then a quarter million per year, higher pay means means more expensive bribes. You people never seem to care when it's higher ups in the private sector being overpaid.

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– Framus 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Because the higher ups in the private sector aren't getting paid to work for us.

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– FastestRacist 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

And? How does that make them more deserving of that money?

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– Framus 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

Do you not understand or are you trying to be difficult here?

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– FastestRacist 0 points 146 days ago +1 / -1

My point is pretty clear.

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– PhDinNY 1 point 147 days ago +1 / -0

Do you really think the likes of AOC deserve a quarter of a million dollars a year? They do nothing but have meetings with lobbyists and sit in a chamber to vote on things. It takes zero training, and minimal knowledge, to do what they do. They shouldn't be paid more than $100,000 per year.

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– FastestRacist -1 points 147 days ago +1 / -2

I'm fine cutting down their pay once the pay of the private sector is accordingly lowered and buissinesses are made less profitable. Wouldn't you be corrupt if you had hundreds of millions of dollars being offered to you while your actual salary is lower than what the average woman demands before she'll allow you to reproduce with her?

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– 2thclnr05 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

As someone else said you have to cut out lobbying and bribes. Congress only should work so many days out of the year. They need a job back home in the area they represent. There should be a basic hotel type place that they stay in DC while in office working and not have houses there that they live in full time away from the citizens they are working for. They should have no benefits that the average worker can’t have. They should be held to the same standards and laws as every citizen is.

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– FastestRacist 0 points 146 days ago +1 / -1

As someone else said you have to cut out lobbying and bribes.

Too easy to weaponize and it wouldn't actually stop the flow of money.

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– 2thclnr05 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

So damned if we do or don’t?

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– PhDinNY 1 point 146 days ago +1 / -0

I didn't pay my wife to reproduce with me, so I can't relate to what you are trying to say.

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– FastestRacist 0 points 146 days ago +1 / -1

Women aren't willing to settle for men with low paying jobs.

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– PhDinNY 1 point 145 days ago +1 / -0

Decent women are. It's the bimbos and other women who only care about their appearance and what they can buy who seek wealthy husbands.

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