For many years the World has wondered why Prescription Drugs and Pharmaceuticals in the United States States of America were SO MUCH HIGHER IN PRICE THAN THEY WERE IN ANY OTHER NATION, SOMETIMES BEING FIVE TO TEN TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE SAME DRUG, MANUFACTURED IN THE EXACT SAME LABORATORY OR PLANT, BY THE SAME COMPANY??? It was always difficult to explain and very embarrassing because, in fact, there was no correct or rightful answer. The Pharmaceutical/Drug Companies would say, for years, that it was Research and Development Costs, and that all of these costs were, and would be, for no reason whatsoever, borne by the “suckers” of America, ALONE. Campaign Contributions can do wonders, but not with me, and not with the Republican Party. We are going to do the right thing, something that the Democrats have fought for many years. Therefore, I am pleased to announce that Tomorrow morning, in the White House, at 9:00 A.M., I will be signing one of the most consequential Executive Orders in our Country’s history. Prescription Drug and Pharmaceutical prices will be REDUCED, almost immediately, by 30% to 80%. They will rise throughout the World in order to equalize and, for the first time in many years, bring FAIRNESS TO AMERICA! I will be instituting a MOST FAVORED NATION’S POLICY whereby the United States will pay the same price as the Nation that pays the lowest price anywhere in the World. Our Country will finally be treated fairly, and our citizens Healthcare Costs will be reduced by numbers never even thought of before. Additionally, on top of everything else, the United States will save TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Trumps most Consequential Post
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This is cutting off one of the main drivers of corruption in the health industry.
Next up, ban big pharma from running advertisements.
My first thought was...advertisements for big Pharma will disappear as their funding dries up.
Exactly what I thought. Like a balloon popping. Which defunds the MSM.
Advertising is mostly used to prevent networks from running adverse news coverage, for fear of losing pharmacy ad dollars.
Good point!!
I pray so. Those damn ads imprison millions of vulnerable people.
OMG yes because its not just about the drugs and money but also normalizing deviant behaviors.
How will they advertise if they have no miney to spend? This also drastically cuts down television and entertainment as thats an industry that profits greatly from pharma commercials.
It all sounds good to me.
I've been reading since 2008 how escalation of medical costs was the certain death-by-slow-cuts strategy. When obamacare took an already bad thing and maliciously made it way worse. More bankruptcies due to unbearable medical cost burdens, more power in the hands of the unaccountable to escape all consequences, more hindrances and roadblocks to hinder all free market corrections and arbitrage.. and thats before covid and the clotshots directly tried to murder the whole world.
Winding this all back and bringing justice to the anarchist lawless industry has to start with a couple of steps in the right directions.. and cutting away profiteering and patent abuse is hopeful.
Please, more of the same!
Yeah, next up cut medical costs. Hospitals are so f'n expensive. Like just to get a CBC done costs 300$
You've got that right!
I want hospitals to have to publicly post rates for common services and have to compete with one and other.
I really wish the do-nothing Republicans would start introducing legislation to make these EO stick.
The RINOs and Dems will hate this EO because they make so much money from Big Pharma kickbacks, and this strangles a lot of their cash flow
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE SEEING THE "DO NOTHING" congcritters doing exactly what their "money bags" friends are saying to them!!!!!
It's getting 'bout that time for the hammer to coming dropping down on these critters!!!! Mid-Terms are just around the corner and PDJT is going to 'blister" some of these critters asses!!!!!
Cutting prices = reduction of income. Reduction of income = less $ for advertising and dr incentives to push specific drugs. Less $ for advertising = less income for MSM. It’s a downstream win Big blow to MSM income. Will CNN or other news outlets be forced to sell ? Hmm.
RFK also wants to ban Big Pharma from network advertising at all. Seriously. Normal people aren't Doctors. They don't get to decide what medications they need. That's a Doctor's job. The entire drug advertising industry is a grift. It should all be illegal.
That’s great news for people who rely on expensive prescription drugs.
Theoretically, this should drive health insurance premiums down for everyone. If the insurance companies pay less, we should be paying less to them. That is, if they don't just pocket the difference. This might require another executive order by Trump to fix.
He’s revealing this Big Pharma pricing “approach” is actually a massive money laundering scheme. They take our money and distribute it to powerful people around the world.
This will certainly be a game changer for people on prescription drugs, Medicare recipients, and for health care costs in general.
No, it won't.
Because there is no difference between when he tried to do this back in 2020 and now.
Upvote for the independent thought, Bakas, but I assume Trump recalls 2020 and either feels it will work this time, or there is another underlying plan (maybe even just shifting public opinion), who knows.
Yeah,but would be beneficial if he revealed why it's different this time.
Kind of doesn't have the best track record on this stuff. Insults people by assuming they just won't remember and don't need to know.
Though, his assumption that people won't remember seems to be accurate.
He issued an EO like this one in 2020? Can you provide sauce on that?
I supplied one here in this conversation thread, several times. Or, if you really wanted to know, you could have taken the time to type "Trump Prescription EO 2020" into a search engine instead of asking me for it.
But, anyway, here:
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-announces-prescription-drug-payment-model-put-american-patients-first
Two things:
Thats not an EO, is was a proposed “model”. So, no, he did not “ try this before”.
That was in November 2020. Do you remember what happened in November 2020?
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Might as well reply to you here as well, so you can't pretend you didn't see my reply.
Yes, there most certainly was. He signed a whole slew of EOs in 2020 concerning pharmaceuticals.
Executive Order 13937: Access to Affordable Life-saving Medications Signed on July 24, 2020, this order aimed to ensure that low-income individuals could access essential medications at affordable prices.
Executive Order 13938: Increasing Drug Importation to Lower Prices for American Patients Also signed on July 24, 2020, this order sought to allow the importation of certain prescription drugs from other countries where they are sold at lower prices.
Executive Order 13939: Lowering Prices for Patients by Eliminating Kickbacks to Middlemen Signed on July 24, 2020, this order targeted the rebate system, aiming to pass discounts directly to patients instead of intermediaries.
Executive Order 13948: Lowering Drug Prices by Putting America First Signed on September 13, 2020, this order introduced the "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) pricing model, proposing that the U.S. would pay no more for certain Medicare drugs than the lowest price paid by other developed countries.
That last one is the same as the one he just signed.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13948-lowering-drug-prices-putting-america-first
There's information for you there.
Here's a video of him talking about it:
https://youtu.be/_SlsN1rhbrc?si=NQQ0aNEP1iMzQ5Lv
I'll even throw in a link to where you can search government records for information on any EO your little heart could wish for:
https://www.govinfo.gov/
Now, what was that you were saying?
Quite frankly, you don't seem to be competent at research, on this elite research board.
It isn't difficult at all to find any of this information. It took me a grand total of 4 minutes to find all this.
Now I'm curious to see if you're going to be a big enough person to admit you were wrong and apologize (extraordinarily doubtful), just abandon the conversation and pretend you never said anything and that I never answered you (pretty likely), or move the goalpost somehow and deflect with some ad hominem nonsense(I'd say this is most likely).
So, which will it be? 🤔
I use zero prescription drugs so this is not consequential to me. What, are we a nation of druggies?
Yes.
My wife is on prescription drugs for schizo. $20k every 3 months without insurance. $250 with insurance. The pills are generic and very easy to make, no idea why they are still so pricey, they should be pennies per pill.
I'm not on prescription drugs either, but we have been getting severely ripped off for decades. I'm glad Trumps doing this, I just hope it sticks after his term is over.
Clearly. 🫤
Well, they do call it a "drug"store.
United States States of America?
Why does no one else remember that he did the exact same thing back in 2020 and it was never implemented because of all the lawsuits against it?
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-announces-prescription-drug-payment-model-put-american-patients-first
He even called it the same thing.
Really, does no one else remember things?
What has changed between then and now that will make it any different this time around?
I recall that. And he lowered the cost of diabetes drugs.
u/#q695
Does anyone remember The Dead Scientists List? Those who found better cheaper ways of doing things were killed because keeping us backward, sick and ignorant made us easier to exploit.
No more kick-backs to the doctors? Next: Tort reform.
What kind of tort reform?
Those most likely to fight Trump’s “Most Favored Nation” drug pricing Executive Order fall into several predictable categories—each with a clear motive to maintain control over drug pricing and medical gatekeeping:
Why? The MFN policy slashes their profit margins by up to 80%.
Companies like Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Merck will lose billions.
They’ve lobbied hard against this kind of pricing reform before.
Expect legal challenges, lobbying pressure, and fear campaigns (e.g. “innovation will suffer”).
Primarily Democrats, but also Republican establishment figures tied to donor money.
They’ll argue that it’s “unconstitutional,” “anti-business,” or “dangerous.”
They may push media narratives claiming this will harm patients or delay research.
Entities like HHS, CMS (Medicare), the FDA, and even the AMA may resist.
Many of these bodies are deeply entangled with Pharma through “regulatory capture.”
Expect internal memos, slow-roll implementation, and bureaucratic sabotage.
“Trump’s reckless plan could harm seniors.”
“Trump defies experts—again.”
“Doctors warn against populist drug order.”
They serve as Pharma’s PR arm during narrative warfare.
This includes the WEF, WHO, and UN-aligned trade groups.
MFN pricing disrupts global control of drug flow and cost disparity models.
Expect backdoor pressure on allied nations to publicly disavow or stall Trump’s move.
Well, here you can see who will fight it.
It will be the same people who fought it (and won) back in 2020 when he tried to do this very thing.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-announces-prescription-drug-payment-model-put-american-patients-first
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Which nation is
Any statisticians or sites that track that sort of thing? And what do they pay?
Then, there are some potential risks to a "Most favored nation's policy":
Reduced innovation - although I guess that we don't worry about innovation so much akshully - they conducted a tracked global experiment, already.
Supply chain disruptions - which may mean down sizing of premises - also not really a problem IMO - let them eat cake. Make aspirin and Ivermectin. Generics are great stuff.
Lower reimbursements to hospitals, clinics etc., which may be good too akshully, considering the 'healthcare providers' that manage to provide inordinate amounts of painkillers to slums, because (see #6).
A disturbance in who pays for what, which may end up costing individuals with extreme, chronic conditions, who should not have to pay for the bog pharma misfortune < this is by analyzing stakeholders, who are likely silent
International trade implications - again a disturbance in the networks, and possible fallout
Gaming the system - prolly the most important, but also most subjective in terms of motivation, (but praps traceable through transactions), risk I can think of.
All these promises frm both sides to lower pharma cost...all it took is an executive order
No, it takes much more than an EO.
It's nothing at all to sign an EO.
What the issue is is implementing the EO.
Which is why when he signed virtually the exact same EO back in 2020, it was legally challenged and was never actually implemented.
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/trump-administration-announces-prescription-drug-payment-model-put-american-patients-first
If the only thing you care about is big announcements and having the illusion that things are being done, then yeah, EOs are awesome.
But if you ever actually want anything to change in real life, it takes more than just scribbling a name on a piece of paper.
The President of the United States isn't a dictator. They can't just sign something and poof! Now that's the way things are!
They have to go through legal challenges.
Just curious, do you ever keep up with the EOs after Trump signs them, or do you just assume that they were actually implemented?
Yup! Trump is good at grabbing headlines… follow through tho… man, as “eventful” as these first 4 months have been, everything he got us excited about during all his rallies; mass deportation, quick trials for drug lords and the biggest exaggeration he ushered… “I’ll have a peace deal signed the first day, within an hour of stepping into the office” - yeah, that Ukraine thing hasn’t really played out the way he said it would.
I’ll hold my breath… until then, please wake me when I pass out. I wouldn’t want to miss anything.
It just really, really bothers me that so many Anons apparently have the memory of a goldfish.
How do they not remember any of this stuff? And it's not just the EO he just signed. I could find examples of people forgetting important stuff all day, every day here.
What happened to this being an elite research board?
And then don't even get me started on how so many Anons, who definitely should know better, have no clue how the government works and thinks the President can just do whatever he wants by signing an EO. (But obviously only a Republican president. Whenever a Democrat president does the same thing, they scream it's unconstitutional. 🙄)
But I should probably shut up now, so I don't catch a ban for "dooming". 😒
You are making shit up. Anon cant have memory recall about shit that never happened
And you suck at basic research. Seriously. It's embarrassing.
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Difficult as always, Bakas, but keep up the good work of demanding the sauce and bringing receipts!!
Kudos, keep up the good work! 👏👍
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Remember he has an entirely different team around him this time.
They are all bulldogs and won't take no for an answer.
Really? Because he always hires the best people.
You sound a lot like my bat shit crazy liberal neighbor.
Really? Was your neighbor President Trump? Because he's the one that says he always hires the best people.
You've revealed yourself. ZERO substance to your statements.
There was no equivalent EO in 2020. Disinformation.
Yes, there most certainly was. He signed a whole slew of EOs in 2020 concerning pharmaceuticals.
Executive Order 13937: Access to Affordable Life-saving Medications Signed on July 24, 2020, this order aimed to ensure that low-income individuals could access essential medications at affordable prices.
Executive Order 13938: Increasing Drug Importation to Lower Prices for American Patients Also signed on July 24, 2020, this order sought to allow the importation of certain prescription drugs from other countries where they are sold at lower prices.
Executive Order 13939: Lowering Prices for Patients by Eliminating Kickbacks to Middlemen Signed on July 24, 2020, this order targeted the rebate system, aiming to pass discounts directly to patients instead of intermediaries.
Executive Order 13948: Lowering Drug Prices by Putting America First Signed on September 13, 2020, this order introduced the "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) pricing model, proposing that the U.S. would pay no more for certain Medicare drugs than the lowest price paid by other developed countries.
That last one is the same as the one he just signed.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13948-lowering-drug-prices-putting-america-first
There's information for you there.
Here's a video of him talking about it:
https://youtu.be/_SlsN1rhbrc?si=NQQ0aNEP1iMzQ5Lv
I'll even throw in a link to where you can search government records for information on any EO your little heart could wish for:
https://www.govinfo.gov/
Now, what was that you were saying?
Quite frankly, you don't seem to be competent at research, on this elite research board.
It isn't difficult at all to find any of this information. It took me a grand total of 4 minutes to find all this.
Now I'm curious to see if you're going to be a big enough person to admit you were wrong and apologize (extraordinarily doubtful), just abandon the conversation and pretend you never said anything and that I never answered you (pretty likely), or move the goalpost somehow and deflect with some ad hominem nonsense(I'd say this is most likely).
So, which will it be? 🤔
Hey, look! You abandoned the argument when.I showed you were wrong.
Now why would you do that?
Nope, you are a shill fuk. Not wasting time arguing an obvious point with retards.
But hey, look at that ad hominem!.
You're pretty predictable, aren't you?
I said there was a high chance you would ghost the conversation after being proven wrong. You did.
I called you out on it, and you came back with an adhominem post, which I said was most likely.
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Ad Hominem only applies when the attack is directed to clown the arguer. I don't have to do any of that. You exposed yourself. Shill trash. Say hi to your mom for me.
Oh honey, you don't even know what an ad hominem attack is, do you? It's not to "clown the arguer". The entire point of the ad hominem argument is to shift the discussion to your opponent's perceived faults, instead of sticking to the subject. You don't want to discuss the actual topic here, because you know you're wrong. So you deflect.
Here, I'll help you on your path to learning about logical fallacies. You're welcome in advance for taking pity on you and pulling this material for you to learn about what ad hominem is. If you insist on using it as much as you do, then you should really understand what it means. I hope you have an absolutely fantastic day. 🙂
"Ad hominem fallacy (or ad hominem) is an attempt to discredit someone’s argument by personally attacking them. Instead of discussing the argument itself, criticism is directed toward the opponent’s character, which is irrelevant to the discussion.
Ad hominem fallacy is often used as a diversion tactic to shift attention to an unrelated point like a person’s character or motives and avoid addressing the actual issue. It is common in both formal and informal contexts, ranging from political debates to online discussions.
The ad hominem fallacy is a logical fallacy, specifically a fallacy of relevance, i.e, the argument raised is irrelevant to the discussion. An ad hominem fallacy appeals to our emotions and prejudices rather than facts.
Ad hominem literally means “to the person” as in being “directed at the person.” An ad hominem argument is therefore an attack directed against the person who makes a statement rather than the validity of their statement. In everyday language, this is known as a personal attack.
The goal of an ad hominem argument or ad hominem attack is to refute an opposing view indirectly, without ever engaging with it. The target of the attack usually feels the need to defend themself and thus digress from the discussion topic, which shows just how powerful ad hominem arguments are.
Here are the most common types of ad hominem arguments:
Abusive ad hominem is a direct attack on the other person’s character, targeting their age, character, gender identity, appearance, etc. Abusive ad hominem arguments are usually fallacious because the attack is irrelevant to the discussion. For example, “who is going to vote for a person looking like this?” is a fallacy because appearance has nothing to do with one’s leadership abilities. Circumstantial ad hominem (or appeal to motive) argues that a person’s circumstances, such as their job, political affiliation, or other vested interests, motivate their argument and thus it must be biased and false. For example, a salesperson may tell you that the pair of jeans you’re trying on looks good on you, and you may half-jokingly point out that of course they think so since they want to make a sale. Tu quoque (“you too”) ad hominem is an attempt to refute an argument by attacking its proponent and accusing them of hypocrisy (i.e , pointing to a contradiction between their words and their deeds). For example, a doctor suggests that a patient should lose weight, and the patient dismisses the advice on the grounds that the doctor has a few extra pounds too. Guilt by association ad hominem is a variant in which someone is attacked because of their alleged connection with a person or group that has an unfavorable reputation. For example, “Stalin was evil and against religion. All people against religion are evil.” Poisoning the well is a type of ad hominem where (irrelevant) negative information is preemptively presented to an audience to discredit whatever the opponent is about to say. For example, “before you listen to her, I should remind you that she has been charged with embezzlement.” https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ad-hominem-fallacy/
Who do you think you're fooling, exactly? Are you trying to delude yourself?
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So far......
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It's interesting how the narrative has shifted from:
"PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ARE EVIL AND POISONING PEOPLE AND MUST BE BROUGHT DOWN AND EXECUTIVES PUBLICLY EXECUTED!!!"
to
"PHARMACEUTICALS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR LIFE AND AMERICANS SHOULD GET THE CHEAPEST MEDS SO EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO TAKE MORE MEDICATIONS!!'
Kind of a mixed message there, you know.
Where was that stated? Im starting to think you are a troll account. You are posting a whole lot of bullshit with links to sources that DO NOT back up a fuking thing you post.
It's called paraphrasing. Have you never heard of that term?
Some politicians won't be happy about this. Cuts into their bribes to keep prices high.
Ya, but screw pharmaceuticals.
Great post for USA and tough crap for Big Pharma. I sure was hoping for the "Storm" text! Kek
Now THIS was the big announcement we were waiting for!
Wow! too bad MSM will either not report this, or conflate it to somehow make Trump seem bad because of it.
The prices will rise throughout the World in order to equalize... So in order that the US is treated fairly, third world nations will have to pay MORE? Does not sound good to me.
If our prices are inflated through the roof, it seems to me like some good American capitalists could produce those drugs more cheaply and undercut the Rockefeller market. (Of course, they would need round the clock protection.)
Wow
Health care went down after third parties got involved.
Is THIS the surprise he was talking about last week?? Another punch in the solar plexus to the Pharma bois!!
Also, was this supposed to be that huge, great thing he teased last week?
If so, 😕. Disappointed.
anybody else catch Trump saying "tippy-top" during the press conference?
Thank you, GEOTUS!!