They can SAY anything they want.
They cannot DO anything they want.
We still have a constitution.
Mandates are not LAWS. the legislature creates laws, not OSHA, not the President, not the CDC... they are claiming power they do not hold.
Obeying any asshole that pretends they have law making powers means you just GAVE said asshole the power they are attempting to steal.
ALL laws must be legal laws. Sounds funny, I know. But the truth is that congresses pass laws all the time that are in conflict with the Constitution. That means they are actually illegal. Always go back to the constitution, it's your absolute guarantee for your freedoms.
Even when someone tells you otherwise. Just say yes and do nothing. We don't need war, we don't need martyrs, we just all need to drag our feet and cause our enemy to overextend themselves.
This is how I feel- just ignore it all. Play deaf & dumb. If someone asks directly give them a Biden answer- basically nonsense! If you get fined- fight it & go to court.
Exactly. Wait for a legally binding letter that has real power and then hire an attorney to stall it.
Then at the last minute, break your company up into people groups of like 75 or less and run it as separate departments. Might actually find under performing departments that way if they have to think of themselves as a business.
an old senile man who is also not the president so his orders carry as much weight as the orders from the hobo living under the bridge which is fuck all
Check with your lawyer. Is there any way to re-structure your business into pieces with 99 employees or fewer each? Would this be a way around the mandate should it be deemed enforceable?
Getting a lawyer ready would be a start. The only people winning are the people with lawyers. It's like back when the native americans were being fucked again and again until they finally figured out how our system works.
Already have one and have been discussing this for some time. It's not the fact of the decline in business, but the fact that some of these individuals will have to give up a good career do to the Gov't. I really did not see this coming.
You and i know that, but Joe Biden just told 200 million normies its been approved, so any argument you have will fall on deaf ears.
Theres so many arguments i could make to a normie, but they are too complex and require too much context, so often i just don’t even try. I wont change their mind, and ill just make them mad
This is why I continue to say it. Are you really faulting me for saying it? OP is worried about what he is going to do, so I gave him a bit of information to consider.
I'm an employer too... not over 100 employees though; but, still, already got mentions from clients today (almost excited to say it) asking when we'll be enforcing the vaccination mandates.
I'm not. Nor would I. This has to be made into a law and it can't. It's a blatant violation of the Constitution, the EUA and the Nuremberg Code... not to mention OSHA and HIPPA.
There's no way this goes anywhere. And if it does, we no longer have a country, the Plan has failed, and the World has ended. So, at that point, who the fuck cares?
LOL. I hate blackpilling... so, I have 0% faith this is the end. And 100% faith in the Plan. This is the biggest red pill Biden has produced to-date.
Refuse to mandate... You have Constitutional Rights...
Hire all Conservatives that don't want to be jabbed... they are all looking for work!
Conservative owned companies should be posting job openings on the Conservative job boards. That will ensure your company remains profitable and in business!
If a Conservative owned company is employing 'they groupies', those groupies are contagious to the unvaxed. They are not only spewing waste in the form of lies from their covered mouths, they are spreading disease. You know what to do!
The companies that are mandating will be shutting down!
People are discussing shutting them down... Unions back in the day (before they became corrupt) knew what to do...
If you own a company that is planning to force the jab, be prepared to shut down... and yes, the workers of America know that 'the they plan' is to hire the new illegals...
Unions back in the day knew what to do about that too!
Now I don't disagree with you, but isn't what I described the kind of bullshit these mother fuckers do to keep ticking?
If you ask me, running your business as a corporation is already capitulation. You're just "playing ball".
Don't get me wrong, I prefer to stand my ground on shit where I can - this is a case of 200+ people who might not know better and trying to help them out. Maybe another solution is to totally restructure and just make everyone contractors where you come up with an independent health insurance pool. Give all your employees good contacts and poof your company is down to the minimum employees and you're managing contractors that you're very benevolent to.
It's a gray world we're in, you play or be played. Right now, having 100 or more employees puts you in a situation of getting played and I just described a solution out.
What you're getting at is just stand there and get steam rolled. I'm suggesting you make a pivot, if it makes sense. It might even wind up being advantageous. At least figure it out in case standing your ground isn't going so well ....
I wonder if there's even a way to figure out how to tax deduct the fuggen "fine"...
Split the company into two or three? Maybe an administrative company that owns the plant and equipment and provides administrative services, and a productive company(s) that rents the plant and equipment and pays fees for the administrative services by selling your product.
Yes, the U.S. Constitution. Read it. It's the Supreme law of the land. Mandates are not lawful if they contradict the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Either stand up for the constitution or get ready to spend your life bending over.
bless you for being a great patriot employer. did biden say the penalties for companies or have you heard of any you would face??? this is illegal as fuck! find a based lawyer i'd say at least to be ready. I'm sure you obviously have legal but are they on your side in the end? You can fight back!!
Stay the course. Wait for it to go though the courts and make sure OSHA knows you will hold them responsible for any adverse reactions to these vaccines.
Also not a lawyer, but in my experience, companies do this to avoid getting insurance and other benefits for their employees. So current employees might lose insurance, if they have it. Insurance might oy pay for vaxxed, so might not matter.
You are not a doctor. You don't play one on TV. You should not be placating the Government to do so now. Only you can be held liable for any adverse events to your employees. The Government and CDC will allow you to register these side effects though. No medication is safe for an entire group of people. Not even asprin. So stop before you start and make them (FED or State) come after you. Then join class action lawsuits for remedy. Easier said than done. But you will still be able to look in the mirror after all is said and done. Also, congrats on building your company that created this situation. Good Job!
Lie your ass off. They do. There is no law. Gum up the system Alinsky style. Make them prove you wrong. Or, give in without a fight. Be meek and compliant. Until the next thing comes up. This is not business. This is war....
You can pretend they've all been vaccinated because no one has reported themselves as not vaccinated. If you push this, some people may die. You don't want to live with that guilt.
Why would I feel guilty if I allow my employees to make their own choices regarding the jab?. I am advocating lying to the vax nazis, not my employees. I would feel worse if I forced someone to take this jab and they had a terrible reaction, or worse, which you and I both know happens. Are you an American?
It depends on what state you are in. If you are in Arizona , Florida or any state willing to fight these mandates, you should contact the Governor or AG for guidance on how to fight the mandate.
I understand it’s hard being in the position you are in, and I’m sure you’re going to get a lot of opinions here. So, I’ll just give ya my two cents. I’d fight back, pray like heck, and keep trudging on. I know it has to be hard, I’m sorry. I work in a place with over 100 employees, but We are all spread out between 10 places. Prepared for an email from HR none the less. They, quite literally, will have to fire me. As, I’ve reached the Tippity top of this dictatorship and I refuse, yes refuse, to be contempt and controlled by these evil people.
Can you just announce that in keeping with company policy, we will not be violating your privacy or interferring with your health information and choices?
They can SAY anything they want.
They cannot DO anything they want.
We still have a constitution.
Mandates are not LAWS. the legislature creates laws, not OSHA, not the President, not the CDC... they are claiming power they do not hold.
Obeying any asshole that pretends they have law making powers means you just GAVE said asshole the power they are attempting to steal.
Hang Tough.
Even if the legislature passed a law, and the president signed it, and the supreme court reviewed it...
I still wont take the vaccine.
ALL laws must be legal laws. Sounds funny, I know. But the truth is that congresses pass laws all the time that are in conflict with the Constitution. That means they are actually illegal. Always go back to the constitution, it's your absolute guarantee for your freedoms.
Do nothing. Carry on as normal and wait for someone to tell you otherwise.
Right now, the only person telling you to do something is an old senile guy on TV.
Even when someone tells you otherwise. Just say yes and do nothing. We don't need war, we don't need martyrs, we just all need to drag our feet and cause our enemy to overextend themselves.
Ignore, ignore, ignore.
This is how I feel- just ignore it all. Play deaf & dumb. If someone asks directly give them a Biden answer- basically nonsense! If you get fined- fight it & go to court.
Passive aggressive
Exactly. Wait for a legally binding letter that has real power and then hire an attorney to stall it.
Then at the last minute, break your company up into people groups of like 75 or less and run it as separate departments. Might actually find under performing departments that way if they have to think of themselves as a business.
an old senile man who is also not the president so his orders carry as much weight as the orders from the hobo living under the bridge which is fuck all
Check with your lawyer. Is there any way to re-structure your business into pieces with 99 employees or fewer each? Would this be a way around the mandate should it be deemed enforceable?
Getting a lawyer ready would be a start. The only people winning are the people with lawyers. It's like back when the native americans were being fucked again and again until they finally figured out how our system works.
Already have one and have been discussing this for some time. It's not the fact of the decline in business, but the fact that some of these individuals will have to give up a good career do to the Gov't. I really did not see this coming.
Do not comply, hire a lawyer, make it known you are not complying so like minded Patriots flock to purchase your goods.
Fight back fren. God Bless and Stand Firm
Mandates are not laws.
Lets not play this game again.
People used to say “its not FDA approved”, but now they took that argument off the table.
Now you say “its not the law”...
Well soon it could be the law.
Start saying things like “HELL NO IM NEVER TAKING YOUR JAB”
It's not FDA approved. Stop believing MDM. They twist the truth to confuse
You and i know that, but Joe Biden just told 200 million normies its been approved, so any argument you have will fall on deaf ears.
Theres so many arguments i could make to a normie, but they are too complex and require too much context, so often i just don’t even try. I wont change their mind, and ill just make them mad
This is why I continue to say it. Are you really faulting me for saying it? OP is worried about what he is going to do, so I gave him a bit of information to consider.
Also I say mandates are not laws meaning, who gives a fuck what Xiden says, do not comply it isnt a law.
read the approval letters...it is still not approved..they approved a derivative thats not available until 2024.............
right. a fact which is mighty strange on its own
I'm an employer too... not over 100 employees though; but, still, already got mentions from clients today (almost excited to say it) asking when we'll be enforcing the vaccination mandates.
I'm not. Nor would I. This has to be made into a law and it can't. It's a blatant violation of the Constitution, the EUA and the Nuremberg Code... not to mention OSHA and HIPPA.
There's no way this goes anywhere. And if it does, we no longer have a country, the Plan has failed, and the World has ended. So, at that point, who the fuck cares?
LOL. I hate blackpilling... so, I have 0% faith this is the end. And 100% faith in the Plan. This is the biggest red pill Biden has produced to-date.
Refuse to mandate... You have Constitutional Rights...
Hire all Conservatives that don't want to be jabbed... they are all looking for work!
Conservative owned companies should be posting job openings on the Conservative job boards. That will ensure your company remains profitable and in business!
If a Conservative owned company is employing 'they groupies', those groupies are contagious to the unvaxed. They are not only spewing waste in the form of lies from their covered mouths, they are spreading disease. You know what to do!
The companies that are mandating will be shutting down!
People are discussing shutting them down... Unions back in the day (before they became corrupt) knew what to do...
If you own a company that is planning to force the jab, be prepared to shut down... and yes, the workers of America know that 'the they plan' is to hire the new illegals...
Unions back in the day knew what to do about that too!
NO FOOD FOR ME...NO FOOD FOR THEE!
Can you start another company that splits the employees?
You have company A with 200+ employees so you split that into companies A,B,C.
company A can remain in control of B and C.
Employees just get "reallocated" across A, B, and C as appropriate...
Then they just lower the number.
Stop capitulating or die.
👆 Fuckin right
Now I don't disagree with you, but isn't what I described the kind of bullshit these mother fuckers do to keep ticking?
If you ask me, running your business as a corporation is already capitulation. You're just "playing ball".
Don't get me wrong, I prefer to stand my ground on shit where I can - this is a case of 200+ people who might not know better and trying to help them out. Maybe another solution is to totally restructure and just make everyone contractors where you come up with an independent health insurance pool. Give all your employees good contacts and poof your company is down to the minimum employees and you're managing contractors that you're very benevolent to.
It's a gray world we're in, you play or be played. Right now, having 100 or more employees puts you in a situation of getting played and I just described a solution out.
What you're getting at is just stand there and get steam rolled. I'm suggesting you make a pivot, if it makes sense. It might even wind up being advantageous. At least figure it out in case standing your ground isn't going so well ....
I wonder if there's even a way to figure out how to tax deduct the fuggen "fine"...
Hire me
Me too ✋
I haven't seen the timeline for compliance yet, but I would just wait for the legal challenges to make their way to the Supreme Court.
The same Supreme Court who fucked over 80 million Trump voters?
EO's are NOT laws.
Well they kinda work like laws. The President can sign any EO he wants, and if the Legislature fails to act to limit that EO, its effectively the law
Drag your feet…. What’s the timeframe to get employees vaxd? 1week? 6 months? 2 years? Who says you aren’t working on it?
This. Do absolutely nothing. OP is in complete control of the situation.
Mandates are not laws.
Hard enough to find good employee's with critical thinking skills, now it is going to be near impossible.
We are closer to 200. This is a no win situation at this point for some individuals.
Split the company into two or three? Maybe an administrative company that owns the plant and equipment and provides administrative services, and a productive company(s) that rents the plant and equipment and pays fees for the administrative services by selling your product.
Yes, the U.S. Constitution. Read it. It's the Supreme law of the land. Mandates are not lawful if they contradict the rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Either stand up for the constitution or get ready to spend your life bending over.
10000% this.
bless you for being a great patriot employer. did biden say the penalties for companies or have you heard of any you would face??? this is illegal as fuck! find a based lawyer i'd say at least to be ready. I'm sure you obviously have legal but are they on your side in the end? You can fight back!!
Stay the course. Wait for it to go though the courts and make sure OSHA knows you will hold them responsible for any adverse reactions to these vaccines.
Also not a lawyer, but in my experience, companies do this to avoid getting insurance and other benefits for their employees. So current employees might lose insurance, if they have it. Insurance might oy pay for vaxxed, so might not matter.
That's because there is no language. He's going to have to issue the EO before anyone can do anything.
You are not a doctor. You don't play one on TV. You should not be placating the Government to do so now. Only you can be held liable for any adverse events to your employees. The Government and CDC will allow you to register these side effects though. No medication is safe for an entire group of people. Not even asprin. So stop before you start and make them (FED or State) come after you. Then join class action lawsuits for remedy. Easier said than done. But you will still be able to look in the mirror after all is said and done. Also, congrats on building your company that created this situation. Good Job!
Split your company !!!
Fire the vaccinated!
Best Answer Ever !!! 💗
1 hire a lawyer and 2 is it possible to divide the company in half into two business?
Not sure if this would red pill mf’ers or black pill them… Prolly both
Love this.
No
also, can i have a job? lol
Lie your ass off. They do. There is no law. Gum up the system Alinsky style. Make them prove you wrong. Or, give in without a fight. Be meek and compliant. Until the next thing comes up. This is not business. This is war....
You can pretend they've all been vaccinated because no one has reported themselves as not vaccinated. If you push this, some people may die. You don't want to live with that guilt.
Why would I feel guilty if I allow my employees to make their own choices regarding the jab?. I am advocating lying to the vax nazis, not my employees. I would feel worse if I forced someone to take this jab and they had a terrible reaction, or worse, which you and I both know happens. Are you an American?
Did you read my comment? I was AGREEING with you and adding to your comment.
I said you can PRETEND they've had the vaxx, didn't I?
Yes, as an employer, if I PUSHED the vaxx I would feel guilty.
DrMccoy, Please accept my apology. Please expose my obtuseness any time my friend. God knows we all need this at times.
No problem. Takes great character to admit when you're wrong. Peace.
Employer here, do nothing.
Stand strong, it is against the Constitution.
Just brainstorming here but maybe look into splitting your company into two or three companies to put you under 100 employees?
That's a good idea. Different sectors, different LLC's
It depends on what state you are in. If you are in Arizona , Florida or any state willing to fight these mandates, you should contact the Governor or AG for guidance on how to fight the mandate.
Ignore it.
yup definitely lawyer up.
I understand it’s hard being in the position you are in, and I’m sure you’re going to get a lot of opinions here. So, I’ll just give ya my two cents. I’d fight back, pray like heck, and keep trudging on. I know it has to be hard, I’m sorry. I work in a place with over 100 employees, but We are all spread out between 10 places. Prepared for an email from HR none the less. They, quite literally, will have to fire me. As, I’ve reached the Tippity top of this dictatorship and I refuse, yes refuse, to be contempt and controlled by these evil people.
Can you just announce that in keeping with company policy, we will not be violating your privacy or interferring with your health information and choices?