The MSM won’t cover this, won’t scream violation of the Logan Act because they don’t want to open a can of worms and have the populous ask more questions.
I have always said this - people inside Ukraine are helping take down deep state both in Ukraine and the deep state in Russia (all the Russian soldiers/generals captured/killed/tortured - just spitballing here). Perhaps the same with Poland and pretty much all countries at this point.
So it makes sense for Miller to coordinate with those people.
So we have Pompeo in Taiwan, Pence in Israel and Korea, Grenell in Kosovo and Serbia, and now we have Chris Miller in Poland and Ukraine. All folks that are supposedly not in there last positions. OOOOOOOOOOOOK...............
Yeah, I don’t think he’s “former” anything. Funny how MSM isn’t talking about it in outrage. They “stand for Ukraine” so hard but not that hard if it involves Pres Trump in any way. Crickets though. Isn’t that something..
Wow watched the vid twice now and I am leaning towards Chris Miller getting the "Best supporting actor in a minor role" when this shit show is over. No wonder the MSM is not upset with him, he almost convinced me he was a deep state stooge.
If Trump is still President and he is, that Act had to be signed.
I'm telling you people have a hard time deducing things here. That was my job most of my life.
I dig a lot on Bitchute and other channels. 8chan and this place is great but to piece things together you have to spread out.
Losing all my contacts on Twitter because of the censoring was brutal.
I’m still weirded out by Miller throwing President Trump under the bus after the January 6th false flag. And the one interview he gave a few weeks later where he seems like he was still trying to process what really went down. It wasn’t the reaction of someone in the loop.
I’m still weirded out by Miller throwing President Trump under the bus after the January 6th false flag. And the one interview he gave a few weeks later where he seems like he was still trying to process what really went down. It wasn’t the reaction of someone in the loop.
Define 'game theory'.
Why must disinformation be provided?
Define 'open source'.
Define 'public purview'.
Do we let our enemies walk through the front door?
Define 'plausible deniability'.
I appreciate your reply and would like to understand your perspective.
My point of view is Chris Miller wasn’t part of President Trump’s inner circle. He really was caught off guard by the events at the Capitol. When he gave his initial human response on January 6th he was angry and lashed out at President Trump.
Later when he viewed video of the events he saw two things. The hallmarks of a false flag and the hallmarks of a counter operation that he was totally unaware was authorized. This was his confusion during the interview in what appeared to be a church.
If these observations are correct then it was Miller that was provided plausible deniability by President Trump. But clearly Miller did the opposite for the President, he did not defend Trump, he accused him and only after several weeks did he finally walk it back.
I look forward to the day when we know the truth, just not sure it will all be revealed.
If you are taking the long view and looking at patterns which the white hats use, then perhaps Trump needed to take flak over jan 6th. The public need to be coached in just how deep the treason is and they need their mind changed at a certain rate. They need each apex and nadir pointed out to them loudly.
An example of this might be Trump allowing himself to be shouted down so loudly by the MSM over "bleach" and HCQ. He'll be proven right on HCQ of course and the public will remember the mental rollercoaster ride they have been on and how the MSM cheated them of their health.
Trump never shut anything down, he left that decision to the individual states. Trump funded a vaccine to get the economy opened up, how can you blame him for that. The fact that the pharm industry turned it in to a mass depopulation event can't be blamed on Trump.
Trump is not a scientist, how was he supposed to know the ingredients they chose to put in these vaccines? The vaccine was released as a experimental drug and could not be mandated, Biden tried and he found out. Everyone who took it did so voluntarily, many of us had enough sense to stay away, far away. They tried to push it where I worked, I was willing to walk away from a 30 year career, everyone could have done the same.
I think that the fact that Trump more recently still supported the vaccines is about giving the deep state a little control. If Trump came out against the vaccines, that news would spread like wild fire, the deep state would know their only method of control was failing. At that point the deep state would have become unpredictable. There are thresholds that need to be crossed before certain information can come out. Keeping the deep state walking a certain path is how they corner them in the end.
That is sage advice, thank you. Using the chess analogy, this board is littered with extra game pieces to protect the key players and distract the enemy. Until the truth is revealed we are reduced to speculation.
I had a sixth grade social studies teacher hate what ifs so much she made us write them 1000 times if we ever mentioned it with history. That was 30 yrs ago.
My opinion is that Christopher Miller is playing the game. He was the United States Army Special Forces colonel so there is no way that he doesn't know what went down on Jan. 6th. He can't reveal his position on the matter....just my opinion.
In the clip, it says who Miller was in Ukraine representing. He is a senior advisor for an organization called the Freedom Research Foundation, right under his name.
Okay, so what is this organization, and why would they be talking to high level Ukrainians during a period of intense conflict with Russia?
Freedom is the essential foundation for a world of justice, opportunity, and value. We envision a world where freedom, the most fundamental of all human rights, is a global institution. Our mission is to further the cause of freedom with on-the-ground, practical action to peaceably fight injustice and create freedom for all.
Okay, that explains why he was in a war zone. But why Ukraine?
Founded in 1984 by the architect of The Reagan Doctrine, Dr. Jack Wheeler, the Freedom Research Foundation fought to liberate the nations caught under the iron arm of the Soviet Empire. We are dedicated to continue this legacy of liberty into the 21st century.
Oh. Well, that explains it. And everything he says in the interview is very pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russia, so that lines up.
It’s not a violation of the Logan Act to simply talk to another country, as long as you aren’t negotiating on behalf of the United States. Showing up as a member of a “retired politician club” organization isn’t a violation of anything, and Miller is welcome to do that.
And it’s not surprising the Ukrainians would see him. They’d probably see any formerly important people who can get in front of a news camera right now to ask for help, which is exactly what Miller is doing.
A cursory glance is all it ever takes for you to prop up your narrative!
Would you like to talk about how many members of the Trump admin - and military - started their own private orgs since the election? And how many seem to be playing governmental roles even though they no longer officially serve?
How is that different from any other administration? People who work as career politicians or military often go into consulting or professional roles and continue to use their expertise and credentials.
I’m not certain what else you’d expect political operatives to do when they are no longer working directly for a President.
"Mr. Vice President, I'm going off script again, I know. But I just want to personally thank you. We've been through some stuff. We've gone through some of the most complex military operations this country's ever conducted, and your steady hand and your leadership during those was a great source of strength for me."
Transcribed myself by ear, so you can check my work. Link at the bottom.
It sounds way more benign in context. He's not referring to some major operation, he's clearly talking about a lot of operations over the course of the administration's existence. Military operations have clearly gotten more complex, technology and intelligence have become even more layered, and the geopolitical climate was troublesome.
Listen to it in context. It feels greatly like a reach that Miller's comments about multiple complicated military operations was referring to something different than the complicated military operations that are always ongoing regardless of who the POTUS is.
I don't think I'd be able to, because "as though they still represent the United States" is a statement of opinion, not fact. What does that mean, exactly, and how is it distinguishable from the typical behaviors? When I'm searching through, how do I know to reject a story because you won't find it to be "as though they are still representing the United States"?
Professional people who worked with international leaders in a professional capacity will probably still be using those skills after no longer working for the government. This is their major skillset. They aren't going to abandon their expertise just because their guy lost an election.
I'm not the one making the claim that this is unusual behavior. If Miller says he was there on behalf of the Freedom Research Foundation, and that organization exists to talk to world leaders about Preserving Freedom, then that's what the evidence suggests he was doing out there with Ukraine. Not representing Donald Trump.
You can choose to believe that the official story is a lie, and it might be! Maybe the whole Foundation is a front for White Hats to do diplomatic work on behalf of Trump's parallel government without alerting anyone.
That's possible.
But the only evidence I see for Miller doing that right now is wishful thinking that it might have happened, and the official story might be a lie.
I can entertain the notion that a story is a lie without accepting that argument on its face. I can accept the possibility that Miller was in Ukraine on behalf of Trump. But until I see the evidence that is true, I don't rejigger entire worldviews based on what MIGHT be happening, in perfect secrecy due to an infallible plan.
Well, when you have a well-thought out argument, it typically takes more than a few words to properly illustrate it. The amount of words doesn't always reflect logical thinking, but logical thinking often requires robust description.
Isn't that exactly the same thing that you guys say about Q? That it takes a more comprehensive approach than reading a Twitter post to understand?
That may be. We know that Miller was prepared for his role over many years, maybe decades. He was promoted at the exact moment. I dont think he is one of the 10, but he reports to one of them.
No, that is incorrect. Trump is the President in exile because of the stolen election and the foreign countries that have perpetrated the take-over from within. Leaving Biden and his admin compromised by his dealings with those countries. Biden had domestic and foreign/global countries working to get him installed as a puppet president/administration. He is compromised by China, Ukraine, Italy, UK and other countries.
He admits to frank talks with high level officials and nothing? Mike Flynn barely does something similar while going into a position that he would hold to have frank discussions with high level people and the world ends according to dims and fale news.
Why is Chris Miller talking like he believes all the msm propaganda that "Russia bad" and Ukraine is defenseless and needs more supplies? Unless he actually went over acting like they believe all the nonsense and are on Ukraine's side to find out some facts about what labs have been hit and how badly? Maybe even find out the numbers associated with how many soldiers & civilians have been killed and how much military equipment was destroyed compared to what they had.
He’s there to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. All parties will give Trump credit and say he was instrumental in brokering it. Trump will then hammer Biden on this topic.
Trumps needs to distance himself from Putin, and appear sympathetic to Ukraine and see what can be done about the AZOV Nazi's that have infiltrated the Ukrainian military that are doing the atrocities. Zelensky also needs a way out and Poland can assist with that plea deal. Because at this point it cannot be anything else. How will we know Putin is ok with that, hostilities largely cease. The DS wants a war. They are goading both sides, and appearing sympathetic before the midterms will dampen msm vitriol swaying some left to veer right in November.
The MSM won’t cover this, won’t scream violation of the Logan Act because they don’t want to open a can of worms and have the populous ask more questions.
Precisely. Because if things were 'normal', they should be all over this.
Real America’s Voice covered it today. Broadcasted an interview with Miller about it.
Kind of hard to say it is the Logan Act. As Only the Real President Would send His Sectary Of Defence To Ukraine.
That’s what I was curious about.
Miller chose his words interestingly.
I mean those words could be said by Putin. Largely they have been.
I have always said this - people inside Ukraine are helping take down deep state both in Ukraine and the deep state in Russia (all the Russian soldiers/generals captured/killed/tortured - just spitballing here). Perhaps the same with Poland and pretty much all countries at this point.
So it makes sense for Miller to coordinate with those people.
Like when that german kid flew a cessna into red square, Gorbachev used it as an excuse to purge the commie hardliners.
Me too, most because as desperate as it is getting for them theybwull pull something heinous just to blame Russia and pull everyone else in.
I mean at this point they have basically blamed Russia for everything.
What next?
Russia is causing global warming by consuming cabbage and farting excessively!!!!
Wait till Putin drops what really happened with Hitler.
I thought Poland was already based af.
You thought wrong. Don't fall for the memes. Same shit as everywhere else, 2 main parties, one is globohomo the other is RINO-equivalent.
Same here- don’t they get credit for having a wall and shutting down the forced import of refugees?
I think Hungary has the border wall all around their country and refused mass immigration, Poland refused forced immigration pushed by the EU.
Thank you for straightening me out!
It's why they had to align with the Nazis. Probably the only people willing to do their bidding.
You mean Jews.
Yep. And I’m glad the MSM is to busy being distracted with Elon. Look over there but not over here please.
So we have Pompeo in Taiwan, Pence in Israel and Korea, Grenell in Kosovo and Serbia, and now we have Chris Miller in Poland and Ukraine. All folks that are supposedly not in there last positions. OOOOOOOOOOOOK...............
Why is Pence in Israel? Here we go again is Pence ??
Great question! I was wondering the exact same thing! 🤷🏼♀️
Can't wrap my head around that one. Unless he's playing his part. Had to go with the steal and play the bad guy? Idk.
Never has been.
Still has the football.
Yeah, I don’t think he’s “former” anything. Funny how MSM isn’t talking about it in outrage. They “stand for Ukraine” so hard but not that hard if it involves Pres Trump in any way. Crickets though. Isn’t that something..
They always disappoint, BQ. They're just utterly predictable at it!
He's the current, real Sec of Defense.
Yes it's a huge proof the fact they aren't plastering this all over in their usual grandiose style
Wow watched the vid twice now and I am leaning towards Chris Miller getting the "Best supporting actor in a minor role" when this shit show is over. No wonder the MSM is not upset with him, he almost convinced me he was a deep state stooge.
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Anons and lurkers if you read any comment, read this one !
Oh I don't know.... DEVOLUTION maybe? Someone has to practice sane foreign relations.
Well well well
Hmmm... because Chris Miller is the real Secretary of Defense?
Trump signed the Insurrection Act so why wouldn't he be?
Sauce he "signed the insurrection act" ? I've had a microscope on this a long time and don't remember seeing any proof of that.
Do you really rhink that would be made public?
If Trump is still President and he is, that Act had to be signed. I'm telling you people have a hard time deducing things here. That was my job most of my life.
I'm with ya. I also think it was signed or invoked, just we don't have any hard proof other than circumstantial.
I dig a lot on Bitchute and other channels. 8chan and this place is great but to piece things together you have to spread out. Losing all my contacts on Twitter because of the censoring was brutal.
So much is happening behind the scenes and when it's all reveled even we'll be shocked at the magnitude.
And this gives an idea how normies will be affected. Shaken to the core.
I can hardly wait to see the Russian Military tribunals! I have got to get more popcorn!
Interesting the Dems are not screaming Logan Act.
I’m still weirded out by Miller throwing President Trump under the bus after the January 6th false flag. And the one interview he gave a few weeks later where he seems like he was still trying to process what really went down. It wasn’t the reaction of someone in the loop.
I appreciate your reply and would like to understand your perspective.
My point of view is Chris Miller wasn’t part of President Trump’s inner circle. He really was caught off guard by the events at the Capitol. When he gave his initial human response on January 6th he was angry and lashed out at President Trump.
Later when he viewed video of the events he saw two things. The hallmarks of a false flag and the hallmarks of a counter operation that he was totally unaware was authorized. This was his confusion during the interview in what appeared to be a church.
If these observations are correct then it was Miller that was provided plausible deniability by President Trump. But clearly Miller did the opposite for the President, he did not defend Trump, he accused him and only after several weeks did he finally walk it back.
I look forward to the day when we know the truth, just not sure it will all be revealed.
If you are taking the long view and looking at patterns which the white hats use, then perhaps Trump needed to take flak over jan 6th. The public need to be coached in just how deep the treason is and they need their mind changed at a certain rate. They need each apex and nadir pointed out to them loudly.
An example of this might be Trump allowing himself to be shouted down so loudly by the MSM over "bleach" and HCQ. He'll be proven right on HCQ of course and the public will remember the mental rollercoaster ride they have been on and how the MSM cheated them of their health.
Long games.
And he will be proven very wrong in regards to the shutdown and the vaccine.
Trump never shut anything down, he left that decision to the individual states. Trump funded a vaccine to get the economy opened up, how can you blame him for that. The fact that the pharm industry turned it in to a mass depopulation event can't be blamed on Trump.
Trump is not a scientist, how was he supposed to know the ingredients they chose to put in these vaccines? The vaccine was released as a experimental drug and could not be mandated, Biden tried and he found out. Everyone who took it did so voluntarily, many of us had enough sense to stay away, far away. They tried to push it where I worked, I was willing to walk away from a 30 year career, everyone could have done the same.
I think that the fact that Trump more recently still supported the vaccines is about giving the deep state a little control. If Trump came out against the vaccines, that news would spread like wild fire, the deep state would know their only method of control was failing. At that point the deep state would have become unpredictable. There are thresholds that need to be crossed before certain information can come out. Keeping the deep state walking a certain path is how they corner them in the end.
Fauci is there to take the flak for that.
I find the best way to keep sane in the information war is to stay 40,000ft up.
I wish I had more than "you're watching a movie" but to postulate on the what-ifs is to invite circular logic into your ordered hall.
That is sage advice, thank you. Using the chess analogy, this board is littered with extra game pieces to protect the key players and distract the enemy. Until the truth is revealed we are reduced to speculation.
It's why current events are like poop and history is like manure. One is smelly, raw and putrid and the other is fertilizer that helps things grow.
I had a sixth grade social studies teacher hate what ifs so much she made us write them 1000 times if we ever mentioned it with history. That was 30 yrs ago.
My opinion is that Christopher Miller is playing the game. He was the United States Army Special Forces colonel so there is no way that he doesn't know what went down on Jan. 6th. He can't reveal his position on the matter....just my opinion.
Interesting. Warsaw is/was a child trafficking hub, from what I know.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Pompeo also in Israel at this time?
Why assume he is there for nefarious reasons, when it is more likely he is there to meet with anti-globalist allies?
People looking for the boogie man. Who is in china?
I thought the same. Unless he is telling them the jig is up.
I had heard Pompeo was in Taiwan, I have not clarified this though.
I haven’t clarified mine either. You may be correct but someone went to israel. I think Keith?
He was there when they had a major power outage either late last month or earlier this month.
DEVOLUTION BABY
Why indeed?
In the clip, it says who Miller was in Ukraine representing. He is a senior advisor for an organization called the Freedom Research Foundation, right under his name.
Okay, so what is this organization, and why would they be talking to high level Ukrainians during a period of intense conflict with Russia?
https://freedomresearchfoundation.org/our-cause/
Okay, that explains why he was in a war zone. But why Ukraine?
Oh. Well, that explains it. And everything he says in the interview is very pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russia, so that lines up.
It’s not a violation of the Logan Act to simply talk to another country, as long as you aren’t negotiating on behalf of the United States. Showing up as a member of a “retired politician club” organization isn’t a violation of anything, and Miller is welcome to do that.
And it’s not surprising the Ukrainians would see him. They’d probably see any formerly important people who can get in front of a news camera right now to ask for help, which is exactly what Miller is doing.
A cursory glance is all it ever takes for you to prop up your narrative!
Would you like to talk about how many members of the Trump admin - and military - started their own private orgs since the election? And how many seem to be playing governmental roles even though they no longer officially serve?
Nah, you'd rather ignore all that.
How is that different from any other administration? People who work as career politicians or military often go into consulting or professional roles and continue to use their expertise and credentials.
I’m not certain what else you’d expect political operatives to do when they are no longer working directly for a President.
Actually, I did! Live!
And you got the quote wrong.
"Mr. Vice President, I'm going off script again, I know. But I just want to personally thank you. We've been through some stuff. We've gone through some of the most complex military operations this country's ever conducted, and your steady hand and your leadership during those was a great source of strength for me."
Transcribed myself by ear, so you can check my work. Link at the bottom.
It sounds way more benign in context. He's not referring to some major operation, he's clearly talking about a lot of operations over the course of the administration's existence. Military operations have clearly gotten more complex, technology and intelligence have become even more layered, and the geopolitical climate was troublesome.
Listen to it in context. It feels greatly like a reach that Miller's comments about multiple complicated military operations was referring to something different than the complicated military operations that are always ongoing regardless of who the POTUS is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owht1y37IT8&ab_channel=TrumpWhiteHouseArchived
19:20 mark.
It's different because they are openly meeting with world leaders.
John Kerry and Obama did that too, but they had to do it secretly because they were orchestrating the destruction of America.
Grenell, Pompeo, Pence, and Miller are openly meeting with our allies as though they still represent the United States.
Find some examples of this happening before.
I don't think I'd be able to, because "as though they still represent the United States" is a statement of opinion, not fact. What does that mean, exactly, and how is it distinguishable from the typical behaviors? When I'm searching through, how do I know to reject a story because you won't find it to be "as though they are still representing the United States"?
Professional people who worked with international leaders in a professional capacity will probably still be using those skills after no longer working for the government. This is their major skillset. They aren't going to abandon their expertise just because their guy lost an election.
I'm not the one making the claim that this is unusual behavior. If Miller says he was there on behalf of the Freedom Research Foundation, and that organization exists to talk to world leaders about Preserving Freedom, then that's what the evidence suggests he was doing out there with Ukraine. Not representing Donald Trump.
You can choose to believe that the official story is a lie, and it might be! Maybe the whole Foundation is a front for White Hats to do diplomatic work on behalf of Trump's parallel government without alerting anyone.
That's possible.
But the only evidence I see for Miller doing that right now is wishful thinking that it might have happened, and the official story might be a lie.
I can entertain the notion that a story is a lie without accepting that argument on its face. I can accept the possibility that Miller was in Ukraine on behalf of Trump. But until I see the evidence that is true, I don't rejigger entire worldviews based on what MIGHT be happening, in perfect secrecy due to an infallible plan.
Think more, talk less.
Well, when you have a well-thought out argument, it typically takes more than a few words to properly illustrate it. The amount of words doesn't always reflect logical thinking, but logical thinking often requires robust description.
Isn't that exactly the same thing that you guys say about Q? That it takes a more comprehensive approach than reading a Twitter post to understand?
Thank you for the kind word. I never noticed the apparent pattern in pronunciation. I will keep an ear out for it in the future.
Why?... devolution.
That’s the theory, anyway. I’m patient enough to wait and see what happens.
Probably to help them direct their efforts at an actual enemy. The deep state.
But of course, everyone goes to Ukraine for vacation. In the middle of a war.
Could just be a goodwill thing.
Not saying it is or isn't, just laying out another possibility.
Went over there because I eh just wanted to see and talk to folks. I was curious you
Because he represents the real POTUS and is authorized with real power
Because of Devolution, Miller is still the Sec of Def?
That may be. We know that Miller was prepared for his role over many years, maybe decades. He was promoted at the exact moment. I dont think he is one of the 10, but he reports to one of them.
The SecDef for the government in exile is more accurate imo.
No, that is incorrect. Trump is the President in exile because of the stolen election and the foreign countries that have perpetrated the take-over from within. Leaving Biden and his admin compromised by his dealings with those countries. Biden had domestic and foreign/global countries working to get him installed as a puppet president/administration. He is compromised by China, Ukraine, Italy, UK and other countries.
Read the Devolution series by Patel Patriot.
And why is he cheerleading for Ukraine and Brandon?
*Poland
Also, boo! Hawkeyes! Go Cyclones!
lol.
Kinda like the one that gave them their name? 😁.
But yeah, my uncle went to Ames for school, so there's a certain amount of loyalty there.
Hawks classic logo is probably better though.
He admits to frank talks with high level officials and nothing? Mike Flynn barely does something similar while going into a position that he would hold to have frank discussions with high level people and the world ends according to dims and fale news.
WTF.
Seems like he's pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia.
kek at "Polland" great editorial skills these days. (not targeting op, here, but the publication)
Why is Chris Miller talking like he believes all the msm propaganda that "Russia bad" and Ukraine is defenseless and needs more supplies? Unless he actually went over acting like they believe all the nonsense and are on Ukraine's side to find out some facts about what labs have been hit and how badly? Maybe even find out the numbers associated with how many soldiers & civilians have been killed and how much military equipment was destroyed compared to what they had.
He’s there to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. All parties will give Trump credit and say he was instrumental in brokering it. Trump will then hammer Biden on this topic.
It's what secrets do.
Trumps needs to distance himself from Putin, and appear sympathetic to Ukraine and see what can be done about the AZOV Nazi's that have infiltrated the Ukrainian military that are doing the atrocities. Zelensky also needs a way out and Poland can assist with that plea deal. Because at this point it cannot be anything else. How will we know Putin is ok with that, hostilities largely cease. The DS wants a war. They are goading both sides, and appearing sympathetic before the midterms will dampen msm vitriol swaying some left to veer right in November.
*Poland