That is all.
EDIT: Boy, did this get lively. And we have a new term here: "Mom shaming."
Interesting how all these people interpret the question in the title their own way, one that has nothing to do with this simple question, nor its intent.
Is all the formula sold for babies whose mothers can't breastfeed? No. Has baby formula been around the 150,000 years that Homo sapiens has been around? No. There's a fundamental problem here.
We humans need to be free. Free from large corporations. Free from government. If babies are dependent on large corporations and "supply chains," there is something seriously wrong.
The globalists created a fake "women's rights" movement to get women out of the home into fake careers so they could control and tax them. It is at that point that so many children stopped being breastfed. For 150,000 years it was totally normal for mothers to breastfeed their babies, then suddenly not? Seriously question this.
So then a manufactured shortage of baby formula causes complete chaos.
You are being manipulated, folks.
Some mothers physically cannot breastfeed. Is the answer to that to make those mothers dependent on corporate supply chains? Isn't there a better way to handle this? Shouldn't this be something produced on a household or local level?
Lots of the discussion below sounds like a pack of Wokes. It is based on emotion, not logical thought. Playing victim is never the answer. Finding practical, local solutions not dependent on the globalists is.
Here is a quote from the comments: "It's pretty easy for a man or non-mother woman to talk about breasts." Why does this writer assume that's who is writing this post? And "Mom shaming"?
If this is in reference to the formula shortage, there are a great number of women who cannot breastfeed.
The meta has squarely shifted to the side where breastmilk is touted as superior, and it is, and it's accepted as fact. Understand the strain on those who cannot.
My son was in the NICU for 30 days. My wife's ability to breastfeed without the baby in near constant contact with her causes milk supply to plummet. It was very devastating to her.
At a glance online, I'm seeing 1 to 5 percent of women cannot breastfeed. That doesn't really seem to be the issue here. The issue is that our society, both as a whole and as individuals, are so disconnected from reality that we are not running normal families with normal practices. Out-of-control taxes and brainwashing about "careers" are part of the problem, but many many families have figured out how to deal with that.
I think the point OP was trying to make is more that we have plenty of formula for those who need it, but not enough for those that want it. It is most certainly just a convenience for the majority of people. But your points still stand, it shouldn't be happening either way.
That is an oversimplification of the issue, and not accurate to all people in this situation.
Yes I'm a dude, with 5 sisters, a wife and plethora of family. Most all of of whome are not shy to talk about this issue.
I've experienced and been drug into more cabbage discussions to last a lifetime. (Helps suppress production if you are over producing).
I've had personal, up front experience with clogged ducts, screaming wives, emergency runs to the grocery store, pump repairs, bag runs, I could go on for a while.
All this to say, sensitive issue? You bet. Worth talking about? Yes! Crass as the question was, the point is clear. A lot of people have been convinced by advertising, formula manufacturers, doctors, coaches, bosses, most everyone that formula is either better for your kid, or just plain more convenient.
The latter is true, the first no. The enzymes and hormones in breast milk are far superior to formula, and better for the baby, giving it a host of benefits that is easily researched. This comes from the wife and a dozen female sisters, in laws, neices, etc, so no gruff for this coming from a man.
Now. Having said this, does that mean you are a bad parent if you are using formula? No, of course not. Lots of reasons to, and kids turn out fine.
IMO, OP was saying if you need it, use it. If you are using it w/o need, or planning to, and can switch to natura, do it.l. Didn't say it would be easy.
You can put breastmilk in a bottle. I think we're all having an unnecessary argument. In a free market, formula would be available to those willing to pay for it, and in a perfect world, every mom would breastfeed. Theres nothing quite like that microbial exchange the baby and mom get from breastfeeding, and nothing quite like being able to buy exactly what you need when you need it. Same team Farva!
I still say that wet nurses are the appropriate solution, as they have been for centuries and millenia. why did this disappear in favor of formula? SOY GMO formula?
and too many moms i know purposely didn't breastfeed because they didn't want saggy breasts - these should be a mark of honor, not shame. seriously.
A lot of women choose not to breastfeed, though, increasing demand for formula. I think that is the larger point.
Choose not to breast feed is another way of saying choose to work you know. Don’t pop off your opinion without any direct personal experience to help shape that opinion into something resembling reality
May I comment? I worked outside of the home because I was told I must. Parents, society and husbands. I nursed all three of my babies at least a year because I wanted to do the best of everything in my power for my kids. Not everyone does. How's that for direct personal experience?
So you were able to breast feed while also working outside the home?
Very fortunate that you were in a situation that enabled you to do so. That is not a universally available option. The reality is far fewer women, married or single, are in a position that allows for the choice to breast feed to actually be a choice for them.
Frankly no. I did not have a situation that allowed me to do so. Try working in the tech field a traditionally men's job in the 80s and 90s when I had my three. What they had was a woman who knew what I was going to do. Oh and your last sentence is bull. Woman have to stop believing that they can't! And just do. Lose your job or a husband? There are always more of each. And do not claim being single because I've been a single working mom more than once. Divorce and death. Being married has nothing to do with it.
It is actually easier to pump and breastfeed while working now than one and two generations ago, just check with HR and have them pull up regulations that require pumping stations, that are not bathrooms. Of course, if one is working from home it's not a question - unless they are also choosing to outsource their baby care.
I mean mothers who choose exclusively not to breastfeed, those people exist. You can still breastfeed when you can and supplement with formula, making the formula you do have last longer, thus needing less. You sound like the pro abortionists not allowing anyone to have an opinion if they're not a woman.
There are as many - and more - that are not given the choice. Some are not able because they work. A lot. With poor or no reliable support systems (no family near and the friends they have are also working. A lot. )
Some are unable due to hard medical reasons.
Some are unable because some infants just will not breast feed. It happens - my middle daughter would not.
To presume that it all simply comes down to a choice to breast feed or not to is extraordinarily short sighted and strongly indicates lack of life experience to make such a proclamation.
Those are all valid cases, for sure. But I wasn't speaking of all women, I know many that simply refuse it because they think it'll make their breasts sag, or that it's disgusting and "not needed in today's day and age."
The ones that literally refuse to. You took that to assume I was referring to any woman that doesn't breastfeed as not wanting to.
Your points all stand on their own, and they are certainly valid.
You sound like you’re defending a position against an attack that I never actually made
I would be interested in seeing how years of birth control affects breast milk production.
Amen Hallelujah. Well said. 👏Mom shaming someone because they do not breastfeed is not good for anyone. A lot of babies cannot latch because of the structure of their mouths. It can be a huge source of angst for the mother and thank goodness there are alternatives because the surgery to fix it is not always easy and finding a wet nurse in proximity is also not simple. I had based parents - my mom had eight kids and only nursed half because to take care of the others while nursing was taxing, so she made her own formula for the other half. She was an amazing person and I never would have shunned her for choosing not to nurse four of us.
They need to do tongue-tie checks in those cases. Even a very slight one can affect things and once it's easily remedied, nursing happens well.. source, personal experience.
It came off a lil femenazi-ish kek
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Most definitely.
they shame wet nurses and shut down any human milk market (which has this specific, very practical use) My mother was a neonatal nurse and it was very common for them to hook mothers up with each other if some needed help feeding decades ago. and in my personal opinion, an organization with the name " Planned Parenthood " should be at the forefront of coordinating things like this for new families, instead of just being murder factories.
https://www.onlythebreast.com/
Ask around the people you know with babies. Likely you don’t know just how many women struggled because you never thought to ask the very people in your own life. I know I didn’t have a clue until I was knee deep in the baby game. In my small circle I would say it’s a third formula fed for mom to go back to work or for on the go convenience , a third breast fed because it worked and they knew it was best option, and a third formula fed because of medical complications (infections, low supply, baby intolerance, etc).
"great number" is a HUGE exaggeration, and although your NICU experience is tragic, it's also an giant outlier.
The vast majority of women don't end up with babies in the NICU and the vast majority of women can breast feed just fine.
They simply chose a career over their kids and dropped them off at the dontcare with bottles of fake milk.
I do believe it was OPs intention to touch upon the cultural factors that lead to opting for formula, versus physiological ones. Although before we jump to "choosing a career over their kids", we must first reconcile:
That is by far the larger elephant in the room, not the more visible, corporate climber Karen archetype of suburbia we as a demographic are more exposed to.
Completely agreed that the single mother situation is the elephant in the room. Whether you're a Karen corporate climber, which my office is FULL of, or a single mother, the root cause still points back to mothers in both cases.
Women control access to sex, and thereby control male behavior. If women are wanton whores, and throw their sex around freely, then they create, through their actions, men of low quality.
Men, in general, will take sex however they can get it. If women put sex behind strict rules of monogamy and commitment, then men will alter their behavior in order to have access to sex. Men will become monogamous and committed family men in order to reach the vagina grail.
If women flop over and go legs up for any swinging dong that passes by, then men will take the no-commitment sex that leads to single mothers. So both the corporate climbers and the single mothers are leading to the failure of western civilization.
Women, on their own, could almost completely fix western civilization through just a couple of smart decisions, starting with treating their vagina like the most precious gift they have rather than a cheap ride at the traveling carnival.
Don't know why you've been downvoted. This is 100% true.
Extreme sexist feminazis seem to be gathering here. I'm giving both of you up votes.
So true. Like it. "Woman as victim" is as sexist as it gets.
And should we consider why so many homes are single mothers? After all if we are doing root cause analysis, shouldn't we?
Destruction of the family unit. Both due to financial and cultural factors.
All Clown goals. Do you not think the Great Awakening will impact this? Do you think "The Best is Yet to Come" will not address the 25% of children growing up with single moms?
If anons aren't thinking this big, then they don't fully grasp how encompassing Clown World is. How seeped into every single piece of Media we have consumed, our parents have consumed, and even our grandparents have consumed their entire lives.
Yep!
Mine tried, and did everything we were told but also couldn't produce.
I was never a formula proponent before, but when you literally can't make it...
My daughter just had her first baby, who was born with a double cleft lip and cleft palate. The baby cannot breast feed, and so my daughter is not producing much milk even though she pumps as much as she can. Her baby is dependent on formula to keep her healthy and allow her to grow large enough that she can have surgery to repair the cleft lip.
I support all the moms that want to raise their babies their personal way. Everyone faces different challenges and opportunities when raising infants and young children.
Here is the elephant in the room...
Democrats want to kill babies in the womb and also once they are born. They are baby and infant killers. Remember that at each and every election.
The ones in power, yes. Their followers, however are very much misguided. Yeah some of them screech about killing children, but it is very likely they are being edgy and absurd to trigger the ones asking the questions.
Humans like the idea of violence and evil, but as a whole only a very minor few actually want to engage in it.
There's a lot of women who cannot breastfeed due to no fault of their own. It's insensitive to assume women are using formula because they're lazy.
This is an interesting point.
I do not know the biological reasons for why some women can, and some women cannot breastfeed. It does make one wonder if the inability to do so was a desired effect from Big Pharma and Big Food, and if they may have had a role to play.
If the vaccines can cause sterility in men and women, then anything is possible.
Part of it is that neonatal medicine has advanced. Babies that would die before reaching full term can now survive and thrive in NICU. But a premature baby often cannot nurse on his own, because he's too small and weak. In that instance formula saves his life.
Some don’t produce enough milk and need to supplement. Happened to my wife with a couple of our kids.
Nurse maids could be a thing again.
Definitely could be a result of chemicals and who knows what other exposures.
I was born in 1953 and my mother couldn't breast feed. She and my grandmother mixed a formula for me. I've never suffered any health issues other than having the flu once when I was 25. I've also only had one vaccine in my life which was the polio vaccine when I was 6.
There has been little or no discussion about this. Thanks for bringing it up.
Lots "choose" not to because they've been indoctrinated to believe it's "weird or gross"
Otherwise it's just the laziness "convenience" factor - which further perpetuates the consoomer dependency. Remember, they absolutely do not want an independent autonomous populace.
I have a half a dozen friends who desperately wanted to breastfeed and could not. Their body just would not make milk despite trying for days with a lactation expert. When the baby starts starving, you give it a bottle!
Very well could be. Although, if you look into the historical record, it's always been a problem for some. That's where wet nurses would be employed.
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This is what was happened to me with my son. He had latching issues with a serious tounge tie. By the time we figured out the problem, my supplies had plummeted and he was failing to thrive. He responded well to formula and was a happy baby from there on. My daughter had no issues with latching and she nursed for 15 months.
Yes, that happens. And when you end up bottle feeding, it's no big deal. My first kid nursed until she started teething and then I had to switch to a bottle. I just hate cleaning them is why I'm a bf proponent!🙂
Lots of guys on this thread probably have never held a baby much less had to feed one.
Maybe because you need to have some weight on your bones. If not, nature basically choses to save the Mom rather than the child with the hopes she will have more children in the future.
I can tell you that's bullshit from experience. Had my first as a 95 pound nineteen year old. That's when I discovered I could make a TON of milk. No problems there.
Some of these friends I have ain't slacking in the pound department at all!
Although this is physiologically true, the US doesn't exactly have a lot of starving adults...
They might be nutritionally starving though, depending on what they are ingesting.
I'm sure that happens, but there are also a lot of women who had to undergo caesarean and/or have premature NICU babies. A premature baby often doesn't have a mouth large enough to breastfeed and they often don't have the baby-fat to go a prolonged period of time without nursing. In that situation, mom has to pump which is no substitute for an infant, and often milk supply dries up. What should she do then? Let baby starve to death? Hire a wet nurse? Formula is often the answer, and it's often a very emotionally difficult decision for a woman to come to terms that she is unable to breastfeed.
Premature babies make up about 10% of the babies born in the US, which is very high for a developed nation. Probably because of high rates of obesity. 83% of mothers start out breastfeeding, but that number drops to 57% by 6 months. Why does this happen? Supplementing baby's diet with formula AT ALL will tell the boobs to stop producing so much milk. As the baby grows it needs more, not less. Going back to work and resorting to a pump can also cause the milk to dry up since skin to skin contact increases prolactin and oxytocin levels which is needed to make and release breastmilk.
If women were informed about these things maybe they would adjust their plans of returning suddenly back to work or supplementing at all with formula.
All babies should be fed breastmilk, but especially premature ones. It helps their cognitive development considerably.
Mothers also have the option of buying breastmilk.
https://www.onlythebreast.com/
It drops so much at 6 months because that's about the time that babies can start to eat baby food or mashed foods, so the baby is having a mix of breast milk and baby food. Not all babies start around then, but that is the average.
No one is arguing against breast milk. It's the best for baby. No one is arguing against educating women about the benefits of breast milk.
Some women just can't due to their circumstances. Either their own health prevents them from being able to breastfeed, baby's health prevents nursing, and/or the family financial situation. Paying for human breast milk is going to be way more expensive than formula.
Before formula existed, the option for these mothers was to let baby starve and die.
The countless benefits of breastmilk over formula are not to be understated. 3-5 IQ point increase for instance is a huge one. If I had to, I would gladly pay $1 an oz for that short period of time during my child's development so that he could have the best chance at success in life.
I think if parents truly knew just how great breastmilk was for their babies they would make it a priority to give it to their little ones. No excuse could hold up to the fact that formula is going to hinder the potential that little one has. The poorest 20% of Americans are richer on average than most nations in Europe and that's because of our generous welfare state.
Well good thing we live in a time where we don't have to choose between either of those things.
I assume nothing of the sort. I am saying that we are living in a Matrix instead of having normal, healthy families.
Infant mortality rate is much lower now than in years past. But many babies are born premature and unable to nurse, because they're too small and weak. Decades ago these babies would just die. Now they can survive and thrive, and part of that is formula.
I agree with this, I've watched friends marry and have kids and some of that stuff is just disgusting to me. In one case she was having her first kid and she was having anxiety and the doctors told them to have the baby early to which they did as well as get vaccinated and now they all are constantly sick. I can no longer accept this level of ignorance in friends. I can't watch them kill themselves.
Infant mortality rate is much lower because you're not factoring in abortion rates.
Thank you. I made a similar point and was also down-voted.
I downvoted you because you are missing the whole point of the post.
I did not miss the point of the post - I was responding to a comment within your post, which I agreed with. Had nothing to do with what you said as anyone with a lick of common sense knows that breastfeeding is best. Some moms have extenuating uncontrollable circumstances, however, that make that it hard do. In those situations, thank goodness for an alternative - and I would prefer in that case for the mom to home make formula, not rely on Gerber to do the job.
The amount of blurglehurfing in this thread about the tiny percentage of women who can't breast feed is mind blowing. The TINY percentage, does not obviate the fact that women were designed by God to be at home taking care of their children and that includes feeding them from their own bodies.
Stop picking careers over your families.
Downvote all you want. Upvotes don't mean two squirts of rancid coyote piss to me.
Not all women who work are picking careers over family. Both I and my daughter work because first I and them she got out of abusive relationships.
We both had to work first I did to support her and she does to support my granddaughter.
We take care of each other. One income is not enough to pay the bills.
This is also the same in many lower income families.
Both parents needing to work in two parent households is also necessary.
My mom was the main breadwinner in our family because my dad wouldn't hold down a job.
She worked in the main gas station in our town first pumping gas then in the parts department and then as bookkeeper as well as working for a farmer driving tractors and combines during springs work and harvest.
Later she was a truck scaler and a road crew foreman for a construction company.. Because you know she chose career over family...
Now excuse me while I go learn to code.
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you were saying how women chose careers over family, We worked because we chose our family over abusive, or incompetent men and weren't just going to jump from one relationship to another. I stayed single from when my daughter was a newborn until she graduated highschool. My daughter is raising my grandaughter with my help because my grandaughter's dad was abusive she chose to have the baby instead of an abortion but couldn't stay with the man because he beat the shit out of her even while she was pregnant. Should I go on?
No, you didn't choose family.
You all chose shitty men, which is the opposite of "choosing family". You, your mother and your daughter all chose poorly and broke the family model.
You see that right? You see that none of you chose family because you didn't choose good, stable men to form relationships with?
In God's name, why? She went her entire formative years without the balancing influence of a strong male figure in her life? Did having no father figure in her life help her pick a good man?
Now, let's try this again...
Finish this sentence... and it had better not be "My granddaughter... works because she picked a shitty man"... Right?
Because now that the last three generations of women in your family have managed to pick assholes, you can spot them a mile away and teach your granddaughter what to look out for.
Because I didn't trust that any man I brought into our lives wouldn't molest her or abuse me. I was in a church and busy trying to raise her, never met any man that was right for me, take your pick. Yeah I made a bad choice so did my mom and daughter they didn't seem so bad when we first met them. I spent my life avoiding another bad choice like that. I did try, to find someone wholesome, and good, I guess that doesn't exist any more.
I thought I did a good job raising my daughter, thank you for showing me what a mess I am, have a great day.
Damn good comment. We need to stop this "women as victims" crap.
Well I won't give you one but I will agree with you
There are also plenty of women who wean after a few months or who feed a mix of breast and formula. And recently many who are afraid to breastfeed after being vaxxed. Once you stop breast feeding you just can't restart. I wish people would stop over simplifying this.
In my career, I have seen many mothers in the hospital and the out-patient setting coming in for breastfeeding support. There are many reasons for breastfeeding problems, but the biggest is families who mean well, but tell mothers to just “give the baby formula”. Nowadays parents are led to believe they should train the baby like a puppy. Babies have a small stomach and need to feed 10 or more times per day. Many view this as a inconvenience and sabotage breastfeeding by giving formula to make the baby sleep. Slick advertising tells parents a particular formula is “closest to breast milk”. Breastfeeding takes education, patience, confidence and determination, since breastfeeding appears to be a lost art. People regard breasts as a sexual object-okay to wear next to nothing with revealing clothing, but disgusting if you discreetly feed a baby in public. This should be an awakening with transport issues, formula production issues, and crop and poultry destruction in the name of “Avian flu” and “ecoli contamination“. The only one you can depend on is yourself. You need to be self dufficient. Breastfeed so you are not dependent on formula/Big Pharma companies, improve your health to reduce medications you need to take, be prepared with canned foods, if you have a small area of land, grow and can or freeze your vegetables, have a supply of water stock piled and a rain barrel with the ability to clean the water. If you have a fireplace keep wood available just in case. This is all deliberate, part of the Deep State plan. It is going to get worse.
I got through a LOT of books while breastfeeding. Lol Plus, the time spent with my babies was just blessings. I am grateful to God and my husband that hubby was willing and able to support us so that I could do that.
Amen to this.
It's just like the child birthing process. Big pharma makes a lot of money on hospital births with epidurals and scheduled c-sections, the works. Most mothers don't need all that. Natural midwives and birthing at home used to be the norm in the US up until the 1930's. They have scared a lot of women into believing that their baby is probably going to die like in the "old days" if they have a home birth which is totally false. Midwives use modern technology, just like doctors and will transfer the mother to a hospital if that becomes necessary.
I've been working in my mind how to phrase this for the past 4 days...
You hit it out of the park!
My wife has a better rack than a professional billiards table. That is all.
But in all seriousness your topic is an interesting one that can be deeply delved into. Our species is devolving somehow. Boobs on women are like broad shoulders on men. It’s nature and analogous to fertility and survival of the species. The reality we have created or “bestowed” upon us is fake. This huge ass on women trend that is perpetuated by social media is uber retarded and completely unnatural. Sure I enjoy a nice turd cutter but it’s purely aesthetics, nothing natural about it. You ever see a meerkat twerk, in the wild or otherwise? Me neither.
I miss Ellen Page. Hard Candy and Juno were masterpieces and now she’s about to kill herself over a chimera.
It's a Rorschach. Depending on your worldview, it's either you're fucking a dude, somewhere inbetween, or still a woman.
Fair point!
The need for formula has a lot to do with the quality of food that we as a society eat, and the chemicals we are exposed to, and other garbage that our bodies commonly ingest, compared to what older generations ate, and were exposed to.
The fact that formula is needed today, more than in years past is indicative of problems with human health, and other issues that indirectly impact human health.
I know that you are a fellow patriot, I do think this is a sign that all the mothers who took the "clot-shot" are starting to wake up. I know a lady that just had her third child, and her dr. suggested she use formula since she has gotten the shot. The stories about babies dying from breast milk seems to have penetrated some sheep's brains.
They still don't understand what Mockingbird is.
The point: They want jabbed moms to be forced to breast feed. And as a bonus create a little more chaos .
LOL
The wet nurse is an ancient character. She kept feeding babies and never stopped making milk. So there's that. The wealthy women who could afford it used wet nurses all the time. They are still around. But I doubt many women are putting that out there. Still, it exists. And is a good thing!!
I had a wet nurse.
That's interesting. Do you think you inherited some traits of your wet nurse? Scientists have done a study on mice regarding epigenetic programming through breastmilk via DNA methylation. Basically, mice adopt characteristics of their wet-nurse and when the mice milk-siblings mated together, the offspring they bore had an array of health issues (as if the parents were closely related). They haven't done much studies in humans, but it would be fascinating to find out if infants' health or behavior can be altered through breastmilk.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.569232/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5336253/
I feel people are not taking their pre-parental health seriously enough, on a whole they are not doing enough preparation with their diets and overall health.. There's a cryptic book out there, "Your Body Never Lies" that goes into what effects each of the parents have contributed to the constitution of their baby.. Bottom line, if your body is fucked up, whether you know it or not, it'll seriously effect the baby - and it's generational, meaning that if grandma ate like shit, treated her body like shit, then her grandkids will definitely be affected.
If you didn't know this already, a pregnant mother carrying a girl baby will also be carrying the eggs that would potentially become her grandkids. So whatever she's doing to her body, fucking drinking, smoking, any physical or emotional trauma she buries in herself WILL affect future generations.
Our planet is fucked, meaning you can't go down to the ol' stream and fetch a pail of water for cooking supper because it's contaminated, intentionally poisoned, and so is everything else that is vital for life, air and soil. Absolutely done by design. There's a culling coming, y'all. C19 was just a preview.
Seriously great comment.
It used to be when mothers couldn’t or wouldn’t breastfeed their babies there was probably a cow or goat right around the corner or in the backyard that could be milked. A lot of people have also been programmed to believe raw milk is dangerous leading to an unatural dependance on factory formula. I breastfed 6 babies entirely in their first year. Apparently I am now producing liquid gold. 😂
Formula is a new thing. Didn't babies used to drink cow's milk in a bottle?
Its such a touchy subject. I want to share this bc I really have experienced all sides more than anyone I know, being honest. My last nicu nurse told me she will always share my story bc it was incredible and helps other moms. I talked to her a cpl years later, she says she shares it all the time.
Ive had 2 nicu babies, one for 3 weeeks but one for 2 months--and it was so hard--but I did breastfeed. However, during the nicu days I needed to supplement a couple feedings bc my supply was low. Ive had surgery there and it cut ducts, being transparent so hold the jokes.
Nicu 1 they have to give some formula to fill in gap of what I could not. When baby was home, I went straight to only BF. 1st dr appt, the dr said baby was 'starving' and would be readmitted if I didnt fatten him up. So I added formula again. I cried many nights bc LISTEN: AT EVERY SINGLE FEEDING, it took 3 things: BF, then bottle of formula, then pump to increase supply. By the time one feeding over, it was time to start again. Ive never been so exhausted but after a cpl mths home, he was FULLY BF, only. It took everything I had. He gained the weight, never went back, did awesome. Is a big and super strong teen.
Nicu 2, same story with my BF supply issues, but this time my dear friend also nursing with a massive supply, donated to me. My gosh she would drop off so many bottles, I wished for so much milk. So, her donations continued to fill in gap and my baby was only BF, while in nicu. I did the same thing as nicu 1, BF, bottle, pump--except bottle was mainly her donated milk,. But after discharge a weight gain formula the drs insisted I give 1x a day was added for about 1-2 months. Again, after awhile she was fully BF as well.
For both cases I had the chips stacked against me, long nicu stays, severed ducts but I wanted to BF. It hurt, made me cry, and made me pray and depend on God and dig deep to keep it up.
I dont want anyone to feel bad, and I say this to say if you want to BF, its possible but in some cases like mine it will take all youve got. Im a fighter forever and from many years of training have a different mindset so Im only offering my story as an anecdotal account that anyone who reads it, should you or anyone you know, ever in the future want to refer to this-- to help you see it thru, trust me you can.
Yes.
A very intense shill this time.
Damn. I got stickied. This is great.
What if it's just another way to "vax" the babies though the tainted breast milk
"Lots of the discussion below sounds like a pack of Wokes. It is based on emotion, not logical thought. Playing victim is never the answer. Finding practical, local solutions not dependent on the globalists is."
This site is packed full of faggots. Don't take it personally.
I don't. I am finding it entertaining. But I didn't know there was a bunch o' wokes on this board, which is an eye-opener.
Me too. I didn't know that being awakened meant that you have to ditch the emotions and become a robot. 🤖🐸
There is the one good thing that's come from woke/feely types. My daughter was able to take pump breaks at work. (They basically gave her a little nook and a chair) Due to their financial situation she worked for awhile before being able to quit. She was able to pump at work so that I would have enough milk for the next day for baby while she was gone. I know this isn't happening for everyone, but I feel blessed it worked out while it had too.
Haha. "Bubbling beakers and silver nitrate and shit..." 😆
Great edit OP!
Yes it is. I blame both the religious and the secularists for their various distortions.
Boobs are for procreation purposes in that they are there to attract a mate to procreate. They aren't the end all be all of existence. Should they be appreciated and gawked at? Decide for yourselves.
Boobs are also for feeding babies. I believe both functions are equally important. And yes some women struggle with it or can't do it. That sounds like a symptom of too many years in the system.
If mom gets the vax, baby will be poisoned by the tit.
New mom here of twins now 1 month old; also, very experienced Labor & Delivery nurse 10+ years. I had to have a C-Section at 38 weeks--one was vertex and the other with unstable lie. I pumped, breastfed, did syringe feedings at the breast with my colostrum. I did end up using my organic Earth's Best formula the following week when both twins were readmitted to the hospital, the larger one for hyperbilirubin & phototherapy, and the smaller one for weight loss greater than 10% (weight was 4lb2oz at that point). I breastfed and supplemented with my organic formula. It's a month later and my milk has finally come in yesterday. It's a challenge feeding twins. Where I live, breastfeeding is the cultural norm, and I still feel like a failure sometimes because I still use formula when they're ravenous after breastfeeding for 2 hours straight.
My friend suggested donor milk; I said no--I don't know who has had the clot shot or not and didn't want to risk my babies dying from it or having any other potential issues with diseases/immunity, etc., or having someone else's DNA being put into my babies. Plus, what if they got used to a stranger's breast milk and didn't like my milk afterwards?
I'm surprised no one has brought up the following points:. 1) parents are being groomed to use Enfamil & Similac. With the spying they do on people's internet searches, mothers receive advertisements and free Similac/Enfamil bags filled with free products and coupons. Additionally, when I was working in the military hospitals (Army veteran) as a L&D RN, we handed out these Enfamil & Similac formula kits to all of our moms. We asked parents if they wanted to use formula while they were in the hospital, and which of the two brands they wanted. We had no other options in house (no organic, or other brands). Newborns who were considered high-risk, small or large for gestational age, or seemed hypoglycemic had their glucose levels checked. If it was low blood sugar levels and there was no colostrum available, formula was the only other option. I did help my patients with syringe feeding at the breast with the formula; I promoted and helped to teach my patients successfully how to latch their babies. I was a champion for breastfeeding and still am. But sometimes it is just not an option.
The formula available in the U.S. is pure crap. It's got a bunch of awful things in it. Even the "organic" ones had a bunch of things that I didn't want to give my babies, but it was the only options I could find locally. I didn't have the time to purchase a goat (also, the protein content in goat's milk is to high for a newborn's kidney and if not properly diluted the infant's kidneys could shut down. It is recommended for toddlers after the first year of life--or so I've discovered after research. Do an online search for Mt. Capra goat milk--they had a great formula mix for goats milk that had over 7 different products that you mix together. Shipping to where I live was $50 plus though, so not an option for me.
A lot of work places do not provide new mothers with pumping areas or the time to pump.
U.S. moms have such a short period of maternal leave in comparison to other first world countries in Europe.
We need to celebrate our mothers. Did anyone else see Calvin Klein's Mother's Day ad, where they have a "pregnant man" showcased to help support the new concept of the new family? It was a trans couple--a female with cut off tits and fully looked like a man but had a uterus and was probably around 5 months pregnant, and her trans wife who was obviously a man. They are trying to destroy the nuclear family. We are on attack from all angles--the pregnant "man," the terminology of "birthing parent" instead of mother (and all those other fucked up terms they are using to describe males and females), the grooming of children, the Planned Parenthood and abortion agenda. It's all satanic, and we need to unite and hold these people accountable for what they are doing to our families and our children.
Why is no one talking about how Pfizer (I think it was them) said that breast milk is no longer recommended and that Bill Gates just came out with his artificial breast milk, which is supposedly superior to human breast milk? This just came out this week.
These grooming of new mothers should enrage people. The lack of education for new moms, the shortened hospital stays, the short maternity leaves, the lack of support for new moms in the work force, the poor quality and control of the formula industry (which is one of the most profitable industries in the world)--these need to be brought up with this "formula shortage" that they are creating.
While we're at it, we need to support our mothers with breastfeeding. We need to hold these companies accountable for a better quality formula. And screw Gates and Pfizer.
Finally, God wins, and we need to assist with all the winning. Wishing you all the best--and to the moms out there, happy belated Mother's Day. Thank you for all that you do.
Excellent comment.
Fun Bags, usually filled with saline or silicone?
I'll agree we've become too dependent on corporations, especially in this regard, and certainly there need to be homemade alternatives (maybe adding extra fat and key nutrients to cows milk would be a good start? I dunno), but there is the reality that once a mom doesn't breastfeed or pump, she stops producing milk in relatively short order.
As someone points out in another thread ona different forum, hindsight is 20/20. I get where you're coming from, but we need solutions, not finger pointing.