Electric Vehicle Charging Insanity
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Now add in the impending rolling blackouts this summer. Oh yeah, this is gonna get real fun watching it all unfold.
Nomore AC, no more refrigerator, no more lights, no more video games, no more anything really.
Unless you go full solar with battery backup at your house .
That might be the rub. Youhave to convert your house to solar or you get no power.
You can also get whole house generators that run off of natural gas. Not too sure how long they work or how long it operates before it has to recharge.
IT IS A BIG BIG SCAM = SPECULATIVE BUBBLE!
Listen to this wise lady (a scientist), she calls it Tulip-O-Mania:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7dUtGMCiA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
One additional thing to know about solar and wind generators is that they take more energy to produce than they will ever deliver back to the grid before they reach end of useful life.
Now do recycling.
With few exceptions like paper and aluminum, it involves far more energy, cost, and incredible amounts of pollution than not recycling.
True, and that's why there are dead wind farms with their ugly wind generators decaying away. It's very expensive to get rid of those 300 foot towers.
Yes, just another scam; paper, cardboard, aluminum, and glass are the overwhelming majority of what CAN be recycled.
Even most plastics that are marked as recyclable are only 'theoretically' recyclable and only get diverted to a landfill. Any clear plastic or 'soft' plastic might as well go to the garbage (think product packaging).
Was funny how I found out, was at the local mall and see the janitor grabs the garbage-only bag, puts it in the bin, open the bag larger and puts the paper and plastic-only bags into the garbage bag, close it, and moves on to the next one...
Oddly, that criticism will hold little weight, even though it's a valid argument. There are so many reasons why solar is being pushed in the most absurd ways possible.
One that manages to trip up many greenies is when you mention that for a solar power plant to operate, it needs a connected turbine ready to maintain output if some clouds show up. The reason is that most of them don't understand that to provide power to the grid is essentially in a contract along the lines of "from x time to y time, you will supply ___ MW of power." Where if the solar array is 1 MW short, that generator needs to be on standby to make up the difference.
Very true. When the solar array feeds into the grid, there are generators that can ramp up to pick up the slack when clouds pass over the solar panels. It is difficult for grid operators to maintain consistent high quality power when solar is part of the mix.
There's also the factor that the grid management puts renewable energy on the lowest priority for inclusion into the grid. (Although that might have changed some since I was looking into that topic)
Unfortunately, due to CA government requirements, Utilities have to purchase solar and wind energy as part of their renewable portfolio at prices that are triple the cost of ‘dirty’ energy. See who makes money from this crap and you’ll know why it’s still around. Search ‘Hunter Biden and solar energy and wind energy.’ The crooks are making money while the customers get screwed.
That does sound about right, and part of that cost relates to the redundancy needed to ensure that when 'on' it supplies what they advertise.
Then there are people like Cernovich who are pushing people to get into solar installations as a career option with high earning potential. He got pissed off when I mentioned that the only reason people save money is because of taxpayer money going in, and the manufacturers get tax money to be able to pay out that much, but that it's all just scams, and that while I have the skills to do it, my integrity would not allow me to make money like that where there's no expectation of benefit for the buyer.
Was one of the few times he responded to me, and essentially gave that argument a "that's out of context" level of counter argument.
Electric cars have been around a long time. It will be popular for those that are traveling short distances but never long distances.
The lack of repair parts for electric cars makes it impractical for the everyday person to own an electric car.
An electric car enthusiast is like a linux user. You have to be really dedicated and well informed of the pros and cons.
Linux runs the vast majority of servers and is the core technology behind Android that runs a lot of smart phones and is arguably the core technology behind Apple's MacOS. No one who has deployed any sort of scientific computing or number crunching uses freaking microsoft products. They are a joke.
I run linux and constantly run simulations on my workstation. I haven't launched windows in quite some time, even for games. To be honest it is MS windows that is the odd man out.
Linux can run some games better than Windows 10(and 11) so at least there's that, I guess.
The customizability and lack of incredibly invasive Microsoft operating system is also a major gain.
If I were literally just using a PC to browse, I would definitely run Linux.
Yeah except Windows has a neat little thing where those things you disable silently re-enable without prompt or notification. You'd basically have to run Tron at random to keep getting rid of it all.
I run Linux and I run an online business, printer, scanner, digital photos, web browsing, accounting etc....
Haha. Leave it to the gamers and hackers on here to get into a debate on the merits of Linux under a thread about electric cars.
kek. updoot 4 u.
Thanks. We love our gamers and hackers.
Amazon is switching to the Linux KVM hypervisor.
https://www.quora.com/What-hypervisor-does-Amazon-AWS-use-for-running-EC2-instances
Or just buy a tesla and use the charging network for long distance. Super easy.
Its easy to see. There is NO WAY to change to electric vehicles.
Unless there are one of 2 situations. Far fewer people, or far fewer cars. Or both really.
Lets sit and think of that it would take for a metro area anywhere USA to even get the grid setup. Let alone build the station and be able to supply power. All the materials that need to be mined and manufacturered is a chucnk.of that too.
Tesla solar roof and power packs to charge your personal vehicle is the right future.
Why is that?
You mean for home powering or something else?
Home and vehicle. Pretty much all of Tesla products working together.
Every home has a potential charger. Gas “stations” are not needed for most trips in an EV. My EV is fully charged (enough) every morning. It is a huge time saver.
So that argument is bunk.
However, charging an EV takes about 10KW, similar to my 20+ year old air conditioner… and we know AC causes outages during summer heat waves. Imagine every home running a 10KW load every night, all-year long.
I don’t believe our grid is prepared for electric vehicles.
Also, how many of those homes are multi-car? Mom, dad, kid(s) all have to go to work/school at different times and places. Good luck making that work with one vehicle.
Yea, multi-vehicle is a problem, but I think Tesla already has a solution. I just installed their "wall connector" and it has options to chain multiple chargers along one circuit and they will take turns charging the cars connected. So you could easily have 2-3 (wow, six!) of them in a row and they would do their best to charge all your cars overnight.
I wondered how multi-vehicle charging would work.
So does it rotate every so often and all cars are partially charged, or does it charge one fully and then move on to the next?
Then there's the issue of apartment buildings. How do all those get charged? Chargers in every parking slot? That seems unfeasible.
I don't see how we're ready for EVs on a large scale. (I do freely admit though, in a lot of ways, I'm technologically-challenged!😄)
I do not know how the chargers share current. They probably do current limiting based on state of charge for each vehicle. Tesla also allows you to share your calendar with your car, so it's possible they are able to prioritize cars that have earlier departure times than others.
Apartment buildings have electricity, they just need to install the chargers in their parking areas... this is not much different than a house without a charger. People now advertise their home has an EV charger already installed--it is a selling feature! As EV ownership grows, apartment complexes are going to start advertising they have reserved charging spots for EVs as a way of attracting tenants. LOL, craigslist even allows you to search for this option.
Thank you for the info. Interesting about the calendar share, and it makes sense.
As far as apartment buildings, maybe some of the smaller ones have garages or something for parking. The larger ones, especially hi-rise, have parking lots like in front of a store or at the mall. When all tenants plus family members with cars need to charge at night, how will that happen without chargers in every parking slot? I just don't see that happening. Maybe I'm wrong.
That argument doesn't feel debunked to me. It still takes about an hour to charge up in the middle of a road trip, instead of five minutes to fill the tank.
What's wrong with natural gas—we have centuries and centuries of it beneath the earth's crust, waiting to be exploited. Burns nice and clean. Seems like the perfect solution until solar nanotechnology finally takes over and lets every car roof and hood power the vehicle all day long, and into the night with batteries.
Water molecules can also be split using hydrolysis, burning the hydrogen and using oxygen to support the combustion, expelling water vapor as exhaust. Why not slap a condenser on that bad boy, and recycle that exhaust!
That's why H2O and nat gas cars are not happening. Too sensible and cost-effective and energy efficient.
100% accurate.
My grid has hundreds of thousands out of power in a light breeze what seems like multiple times a year now.
Fucking DTE.
"I don't believe..." Your beliefs have no merit in any reasonable discussion.
Belief is the enemy of knowing.
Our grids ARE NOT prepared for electric vehicles. I can say this 100% certainty.
Also, trips have a start and a destination. Are you suggesting Car Chargers will be at all your Destinations as well? If not, that cuts all your distances in half so you can get home to your Charger. Not the case for Gas Stations. You have 100s of options.
Tesla's supercharger network is ubiquitous enough. I worried about destination chargers six years ago. I don't worry about them today.
Not sure about non-Tesla EVs however.
The chargers are powered by Nuclear and Coal plants.
The physical electrical lines to get that power there are only so big and can only handle so much current.
They don't have room on the electrical grid to handle more than 6 Tesla chargers here or there.
They don't have near enough room on the electrical grid for 1 in 5 people to own an operate an electric vehicle. From our estimations and what I've been told by inspectors, only 3-5 homes per block could have a charger. The grids couldn't handle more without serious upgrades. No money for that.
The reality is they will turn Car ownership into a service. The average person will never own an electric car.
I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but the electric grid has way more capacity than that. Tesla's superchargers are consuming 10x more power than my home charger and they have 12-20 of them in a parking lot. That's like 200 level 2 home chargers in one spot.
At my house, the Air Conditioning uses 10KW and the Tesla charger uses 10KW. I can run both at the same time, sure, but normally run AC during day and Tesla at night.
However, the power grid gets overloaded on hot days by everyone using AC... I expect the same will happen when everyone is charging their EV at night. So upgrades are needed, but maybe 20-30% more capacity, not 100% or 200% more.
The number one design issue is the prevention of thermal runaway. EV batteries are a ticking time bomb. Put that as number one, and your arguments above to follow, to say the purchaser of an EV is a fool
The technology is not there. This has been done by design. If you are wondering about this, read up on the Invention Secrecy Act, then become familiar with 35 U.S.C. 181; the so-called Secrecy of Certain Inventions and Withholding of Patent.
It's mind blowing how inventions are disappeared (confiscated) and then moth-balled in some unknown warehouse vault. It's all to prevent upheaval from the existing (controlled) infrastructure as it relates to national security. In other words, crony capitalists (oil and finance) along with the masters of the universe ARE the existing infrastructure. Whether we ever see it in our life time, these Acts and Codes need to be overhauled or even rescinded.
We need to clean house at the U.S. Patent office where ongoing corruption occurs and the Rothschild banking cartel has gained complete control of it. I am not exaggerating this either.
Did you know in 1971, energy conversion systems were subject to review and possible restriction if they offered conversion efficiencies “in excess of 70-80%.” How much has changed from that time to the present? Automobiles today still get approximately the same MPG as in the 1930s. The only technology that has drastically changed are the computers; so-called "Smart" technology, which is really a euphemism for a Spy Device.
Why does the U.S. Patent office use a provision allowing them to slap a "national security" gag order on a patent application? Many energy technologies have disappeared through this means. How many inventions have been confiscated and disappeared?
At the end of fiscal year 2015, there were an accumulation of 5,579 invention secrecy orders in effect. In that year alone there were 95 new secrecy orders imposed. Only 36 prior orders have ever been rescinded.
What is the total number today?
If you really believe we already have the best technology available, you live in a world where the oxen drawn cart is the best driver-less technology that can found.
In today's modern world, the Amish have the right idea regarding transportation and making a living as they always have since they arrived to America in the mid-1700's. I'm fortunate to live among them and to have a great relationship with many of them.
The patent office was DESIGNED to get ideas before the public heard about them.
A inventor doesn't want to lose out of money so he goes to the patent office with his idea.
Now, the deep state has the idea, the name of the person, and all information they could ever need to copy, take, buy, bury any idea.
Exactly right. It's a rigged game and you and I aren't members of the club.
IMO get rid of it.
Patents are doing the opposite of what they were originally designed to do.
In Europe, Ford sells the Ford Focus that gets 80 mpg, but it's illegal to sell here.
If a dry vapor provides a 100 percent burn rate, why do fuel injection systems still make use of the same aerosol spray concept of liquid petro as back in the 1920s?
In Dec. 12, 1936 Canadian Automotive Magazine states that the standard carburetor gets about 25 mpg at only 9% efficiency. That's about the avg. mpg that automobiles get today! What has all the computers and digital electronics for fuel efficiency done for us. Nothing
Also, in the same 1936 article, it talks about the Pogue carburetor, which is 72% efficient overall at 200 mpg. That's right. These Pogue carburetor automobiles got 200 mph in 1936. Here's the story on the Pogue carburetor.
Our technology advances have been suppressed for a very long time. And there is so much more than just this.
I'd buy an electric truck like the Rivian.
charge overnight
never have to spend time at gas or even charging stations if you drive less than 250 miles a day (a number that continues to grow)
more storage for the space
So far the implementation of e-vehicles is going smoother than anyone could have expected. The first people driving cars had zero gas stations and no way to make gas at home.
Perhaps the costs are unsustainable for most, but that is always the case with new products and technologies. Usually the trend is for technology to become more affordable over time.
E-vehicles are not unicorns powered by rainbows, but they are a vehicle option that has advantages and disadvantages compared to petroleum vehicles.
This is a fair comment, but the question remains as to whether or not E-vehicles are better environmentally than gas vehicles - which partially depends on where the electricity comes from.
But the fueling station bottleneck can be solved by swapping in fully charged batteries in exchange for the ones that have been depleted.
Dude, I can’t even change my own battery in less than an hour because of the way my car is designed. So unless gas stations just have a half dozen onsite mechanics and thr batteries are all in easy to get to locations which just makes them easier targets for theft, then you are looking at still having this shit take too long for a swap, faster than a total charge but unless the stations just have a spare thousand batteries to swap and then charge the new ones this shit will not work.
I'm not claiming that lithium batteries are the way to go - but rather that the batteries and cars can be designed for a fast swap, and swap stations can be built for charging and swaps. And swaps could be done in about a minute.
And you're right that with current designs it would be logistically impossible.
This is a limitation. The upside for ev's is that they can be charged at home overnight. If you often surpass 250+ miles a day, petroleum vehicles are the superior choice at the moment.
100 miles in a day is a busy day for most. So an EV would mean not having to stop at gas or charging stations. If a longer trip was planned, then a petroleum vehicle would be preferred.
I get that charging while at home is the best plan, but you have to remember most people are fucking retards who will absolutely forget to plug in their car and then wake up to a dead battery just like they don’t always plug in their phone. Sure you could say the same about someone not buying gas, but afain that person could walk down to a gas station buy a couple of gallons, walk back and then have enough to get to work and maybe only be a late, there is no way you could charge long enough to get you through most commutes there and back in the time it would take to make going into work worth it.
There’s a stronger argument to transition as much work as possible to work from home than there is to get everyone in ev’s if the concern was impact on the pollution.
On the highway yesterday near Dallas, a Tesla was slow rolling with a sheriff in front and an arrow board truck behind.
A combustion engine could have got a quick gallon or two of gas and driven 70 mph to the station.
Ironically, a Dodge Charger, inconvenienced by the little green fairy car, was able to put a smile on the arrow board drivers face as the Charger hammered the V8 to get back up to the normal 80mph.
You charge them at home.
50 watts? What are you charging? An LED lamp?
I'm sure they mean 50 amps.
If that's incorrect, what else is incorrect?
I'm aware of these issues with EVs just like the next guy but I'd prefer my information to be accurate.
Part 1: overnight charging at home. Nullified.
Part 2: people are buying EVs new in droves. Most of the loss of value is in first delivery, yet they can't keep up with orders.. Who buys a new car with the idea of selling it?... Part 2 nullified.. And that's using existing tech... Sounds like an ideological grudge trying to be rationalised. The internal combustion engine is preposterous, and only exists because of business conspiracies. Also, should note that I got banned for sharing not q information, as with this thread
I think Nikola Tesla had a few ideas regarding electricity and it’s availability.
Good thing most charge at home
Isn't it that the battery itself costs $10k, but that it's another $10k+ for the labor to install the new battery?
The reason this is not an issue for the NWO is because stats like this are contingent on having the same population and utilization of 2022.
NWO KNOWS that all populations will significantly (60-75%) decrease over the next few years (2025).
They will not have the same volume of usage. This is why it is not an issue to them.
Know the signs.
Its a small point, but the EV is also having to haul the battery around, whether empty or full it weighs the same, the same is not true of gas. So all else being equal, they are less efficient in that department.
Liberals never, ever consider for one nanosecond what goes into making one of their electric car batteries.
The slave labor. The pollution. The toxicity. The co$t.
They HATE mining when it's for coal, diamonds, silver, or gold.
They suddenly LOVE mining when it's for lithium.
Because liberalism is a mental disease that requires constant self-contradiction and denial of human nature.
While I don’t disagree with the sentiment, there is some error in the math. 50W times 600 is only 30 kW, not 30 megawatts. Second, a fast charger is more like 50 A at 208V. If three phase power, now your up to 10 Mega watts. Our company spent $50K to install 3 chargers at work…
I think there is a helluva lot to be said for electric cars. Low maintenance and lower fuel costs especially for city driving like I do. If they would come out with an electric affordable "commuter" car I'd jump on it in a minute. Buy it, pay it off, drive the piss out of it.
If you leave that plastic golf cart in the road I will gladly put my big bumper in the taillights and shove it in the ditch with the rest of the garbage for you. :)
NIO battery swapping is the best solution, for now. But it's not clear how that will scale up in the next few years.
From a practicality standpoint, the best you can hope for is to recreate the old rail networks around the interstates for long distance travel. Meaning that you'll have some random town popup in the middle of nowhere so that people can charge their cars and have something to do during the downtime.
Unless of course you can start to tackle the alternative of hot swapping batteries. Which would include making the batteries removable in the first place and not structural like the engines on a single seater race car, and standardizing them compatibility. Then the issues of battery ownership; if you're leaving yours at some location is there a rental fee and holding fee, some sort of exchange credit, or simply buying multiple batteries with storage fees in case you want to travel in that direction?
The problem with batteries is that they decay quickly though, even when not in direct use
Where do these people think the energy for powering comes from? The profit/power goes to: 1). Those who own powering stations, 2). Electric car makers, 3). The government, because they can control your travel, 4). Dependence on foreign countries for battery replacement-expensive battery replacement
I've been saying for a while now that we do not have the infrastructure to go full electric. And a charging time of 30 mins to 8 hours? say goodbye to long trips.
Until we use the electric motor driven generator in a closed loop (patent belongs to standard oil", there will be nothing but pretty paperweights sitting at those charging stations.
I know it is an unpopular opinion here, but it's coming and no amount of complaining or whining will stop it. Electric cars will win in the capitalist marketplace because they are require much less maintenance and are smooth and quiet.
You can bluster all you want about the power grid, about how bad lithium batteries are for the environment, about how long it takes to charge a battery.
But please realize that battery tech has been improving my entire life. We can building more power plants. It isn't rocket science. As demand increases, in a capitalist society it creates incentive for capital to flow in and create more supply.
Tech is moving forward. You can't stop it with memes or tee-hee pictures of people charging their Telsas with diesel generators. It is just a fact.
You're being quixotic. The elites don't want us to drive electric cars. They want to radically reduce automobile ownership and force everyone to take public transportation. Here's the skinny on Electric Vehicles (EVs):
Starting price is about $60 thousand. The range for a brand new fully charged battery is 300 miles. After the first charge the mileage will lessen with every charge. The frequency of charging the battery along with the amount of time to charge increases as time goes on.
An Electric Vehicle (EV) will lose about 50% of their power in freezing temperatures.
Fast charging an EV ( about 30 to 50 minutes) is BAD for the battery and will shorten its life.
Charging on 120 volt takes THREE DAYS!!!
Charging on 1220 Volt takes all night.
EV manufacturers say to not leave your EV in the sun all day as heat is bad for the battery( yes they are that fragile ).
Well informed people know that the rare earth metals necessary to build EVs come at 90% from China which means China holds the battery industry by the balls.
Lithium is a comparatively rare element, although it is found in many rocks and some brines, but always in very low concentrations. The lithium extraction process uses a lot of water—approximately 500,000 gallons per metric ton of lithium. It takes between 12 and 18 months of an evaporation process, the mixture is filtered sufficiently that lithium carbonate can be extracted. Lithium prices doubled between 2016 and 2018 due to exponentially increasing demand.
Most cobalt or lithium mines are in poor nations where workers are underpaid and mistreated PLUS mining for those uses billions of gallons of water that is then contaminated and rejected in the environment (so much for pollution!).
During the Obama-Biden administration, hydraulic fracturing was accused of causing a number of environmental problems—faucets on fire, contamination of drinking water, etc.—but the administration’s own Environmental Protection Agency could not validate those accusations. Mining and processing of lithium, however, turns out to be far more environmentally harmful than what turned out to be the unfounded issues with fracking.
Lithium-ion batteries can go into a “thermal runaway” due to a production error or damage. It is an irreversible process in which the battery will ignite, resulting in the release of toxic gases, flash flames and some explosions. Due to the increase in the number of incidents involving lithium-ion batteries, insurers are increasing premiums and asking companies to take adequate security measures. In EVs, think of the vehicle accidents and the danger. Know that Lithium battery fires and accidents are on the rise and present risks. Even disposal of Lithium batteries have caused a number of fires and explosions in consumer products and at recycling plants in the U.S.
It's a big con game for ending private ownership of automobiles and to force the public to take mass transportation. This will be forced on us just like the face masks and 'COVID' vaxx. Most people will not be able to afford or depend on EVs. Biden said 2 years ago he was going to put the oil industry out of business. Today, SoT Buttigieg confirmed forcing the public to take mass transportation is in fact their plan.
It takes 500 thousand pounds of earth to make ONE Electric Vehicle Battery! 1. A cost that is NOW moving towards $300,000 for a replacement battery. 2. NO PLAN FOR HANDLING CORROSIVE EV BATTERY WASTE. 3. Ok, people! You can’t be THAT STUPID unless you are being bribed. 4. The People are aware that this whole EV push is part of the WEF Great Reset which we are NOT having.
Higher ups are really pushing for electric vehicles. Union Pacific was told to decrease their shipment of fuel by 20% and 50%. Why? Here is the real reason why gas prices are so high. "CEO Of Pilot & Flying J Exposes The Truth To Why Diesel Prices Are High At Truck Stops"
Fast charging is usually only bad on a battery after 70-80%.
This is because the batteries heat up from the pressure.
If you keep a reasonable charging pace and keep the battery below a certain temperature, you should be able to preserve the life.
And your point is? Look, EVs are a carrot leading to a dead end. The ruling cabal don't want you to own an automobile. They are going to force every one to take mass transit. The police state demands it.
I love my plug-in hybrid. I drive on electric all the time.
It doesn't take 3 days to charge. More like 2.5 hours.
Battery tech will improve. When I was young the only battery tech was lead-acid and carbon-zinc.
Please listen to me. No matter what happens with politics, the marketplace is going to chose electric cars.
There is nothing can be done about it. It is unstoppable.
Being upset with me won't help. I'm sure if you like gasoline engines you will be able to buy ICE engines for the rest of your life.
And battery tech will improve. IDK why this seems so hard for patriots to understand.
It is Capitalism. Money flows in. More researchers get hired. They figure this stuff out.
I get it that you don't like electric cars because you think it is a leftist thing. A libtard thing. But I'm trying to tell you that it is a capitalist thing. They are just better. I love my car, it is freaking awesome. I've been to the gas station maybe 6 times in 2.5 years. I pay almost nothing for electricity.
The marketplace will decide, not blustering on the internet.
You've missed the entire point I made above. The EV is a planned dead end. The elites do not want anyone to own a vehicle. This is why the price of EVs are only going up from the starting price of $60,000 upwards. No one will be able to afford them. The battery technology will not be allowed to improve because the real plan is for every one to take mass transit. Get your bicycle ready.
This is being accomplished by design. If you are wondering about it, read up on the 'Invention Secrecy Act', then become familiar with 35 U.S.C. 181; the so-called 'Secrecy of Certain Inventions and Withholding of Patent'.
As an example, did you know in 1971, energy conversion systems were subject to review and possible restriction if they offered conversion efficiencies “in excess of 70-80%.” How much has changed from that time to the present?
Why does the U.S. Patent office use a provision allowing them to slap a "national security" gag order on a patent application? Many energy technologies have disappeared through this means. How many inventions have been confiscated and disappeared?
At the end of fiscal year 2015, there were an accumulation of 5,579 invention secrecy orders in effect. In that year alone there were 95 new secrecy orders imposed. Only 36 prior orders have ever been rescinded. The uptick of secrecy orders has exploded in the last 20 years.
What is the total number today?
If you really believe we already have the best technology available, you live in a world where the oxen drawn cart is the best driver-less technology that can found. The marketplace will not decide. Government decides, especially when it is fascist. Being naive and quixotic is believing your negotiation with the firing squad will somehow work.
^^ This, 100%. If you're on a Q-centric forum, u/Lapstrake, you need to start looking at a 40,000 foot view. u/Tewdryg is absolutely right and has the receipts to back it up. Nice information btw Tewdryg!
The elites are controlling humanity and government dictates policy (ICE -> EVs, in this instance), then crony capitalism CEOs do their bidding - they're all in the club and the useless eaters are NOT in it. They all push the "going green" bullshit to get people to consent and buy into the narrative. "Peak oil" narrative....it changes every couple of years.
The Cabal has been lying to humanity for centuries. We absolutely have the technology available for better batteries/EVs and better ICEs and shit we don't even know about. It's all about control, like Tewdryg stated. EVs are an excellent way to control the eaters (social credit score not high enough -> no charging for you) and/or price them out of personal transportation. Nobody is saying that you can't have your EVs if that's what you're happy with - just don't force that bullshit on people who want ICE vehicles. There is more than enough oil, there is likely better ICE technology and/or fuel source for them. Again, suppressed and hidden by the elites.
Thanks for the support. This dude is a plant. I mean 'plant' because he doesn't acknowledge one iota of what I wrote. I've had better conversations with my kitchen bowl of kumquats.
No problem. The guy is definitely strange, hard to tell if he's a shill or not. I noticed he was active in quite a few of the stickies from yesterday and he had several top comments in them. I don't understand how he can make other connections within Q movement, but not understand the green energy/EV scam that the elites are pushing.
I was beginning to think of it as an AI bot after the response never acknowledged one word I wrote. If so, GAW has a real threat to deal with.
Nothing you just said matters. What matters is what customers want. They will want electric cars because they are better.
That is what capitalism does. It gives people what they want.
I knew it would be an unpopular opinion. I don't care. I say what I think.
Electric cars are going to replace gasoline cars because people will want them.
Battery tech needs to be improved. It has improved steadily over my long life, and there is no reason to think it will not improve more.
It's coming. I love my plug-in hybrid. It is the best car I've ever had. Driving it is almost free.
You can't stop this trend because you don't like it. It is market forces. As long as we are free to buy what we want, then people are going to choose it.
I agree.
But I think the electric car will win out because it doesn't matter when the energy comes from. That is an issue that is handled by the locality. Could be from coal, or from nuclear power, or natural gas, or anything else.
Batteries need improvement, you are right on that. If they can't solve that problem that would mean swapping them out. There are a lot of problems with trying to do that.
I could see utility of plug in hybrid which would take far less battery materials 10x less than a strict EV. Charge is to cover first 30miles of driving which is 80%or more of many people’s commutes. Also potential use of vehicle in reverse as a backup generator for your house.
Thanks for sharing your experience and opinion, even if it’s unpopular.
It's not coming in the sense you think.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, will want to charge their car if there's a long wait. At first they'll be fine. But slogging through NJ traffic, just to sit at a station for 45 minutes or more is just an insurmountable pain in the ass.
In order for electric to be the people's choice, you need to charge that battery from empty to full in less than 10 minutes. We are 10 years from that technology being available in an "affordable" package {under $60,000}. I'd go a step further and say the sweet spot is under 45000, but hey, that's just me.
In 10 to 15 years time the world will be a very different place and electric may be passed by altogether at that point.
You charge it at home at overnight while you sleep. That works for the vast majority of people.
Of course but if a majority of cars are electric, as the nothing can stop the electric car movement people will tell you is coming, not every single person will do that. Look at how many nitwits are constantly looking to charge their phones.
And let's say 75% of people do charge them overnight. The other 25% are going to create nothing but bottlenecks because of the time it takes to charge, not because of sheer quantity of cars.
In the suburbs? Maybe. In urban areas you might as well forget it
I wonder how ordering "options" for an EV will affect the total weight of the car thus reducing the mph or cause a strain/drag on the electric battery.
All valid points fren.
Battery tech needs to improve. But battery tech has been improving steadily through our lifetimes, right? It isn't going to just freeze in 2022.
You can't stop it just because you think it is a lefty thing. It is coming because of capitalism. Electric cars are just superior. I know it will take time to wrap your head around it, but if you can't, it won't matter.
They are going to win in the marketplace, and arguing on the internet won't make the slightest difference.
Superior with respect to which design factors?
Range in Hot and cold weather? Disaster readiness? How would EVs work in disaster scenarios such as hurricanes taking down grid for a time? Or traveling home in a blizzard?
What would act as strategic energy reserve for transportation if not oil? If grid were to be disabled for extended time such as a solar flare or EMP event, how would those cars be charged? I assume diesel gen-sets, then we would have to have backups gen-sets everywhere and logistics train to upkeep them.
Then there is problem of dealing with EVs in accidents and fires.
Somewhat case in point, I got a new lawnmower this weekend. I had looked at them a couple of years ago and saw maybe 2 electric battery powered mowers. This time, the electrics were 2/3 of their selection.
Oh no, I want electric cars. I always have. I hate posting for gas. But my main point of contention is by the time batteries get to where we need it for mass adoption, tech will have moved on. There will be competing technologies which goes to your point-tech CAN'T be stopped.
I see the market being splintered again when a new tech comes along something like hydrogen or who knows what
We already have a power grid which can deliver energy to every home and business in the US. It is not up to the task of powering all vehicles now but that can be fixed.
This is why electric cars are going to take over once the battery tech is improved.
To an electric car, it doesn't matter how you generate the energy. You don't need a whole new infrastructure and distribution center. My car is powered mostly by the Niagra River. Yours might be from the coal power plant. If I lived a little to the northwest, my car would be powered by nuclear fission.
To this point the power grid has been able to stand on its own.
I don't foresee that happening in the future.
You don't foresee what happening in the future?
I don't foresee the power grid holding up. It's the main target of enemies foreign and domestic. It's the achilles heel of this country. It's not sufficiently secured ...certainly not on a state by state basis.
There will be a manufactured event that will cripple the grid enabling what they have always wanted-to regulate power consumption and tax anything they deem excessive... Like I don't know, charging your car for 6 hours every night.
Ha ha ha ha. Cognitive Dissonance has captured your feeble mind.
They want us dependent on the grid then they’ll shut it off whenever they want. You have to mine the minerals for batteries and oil is an infinite natural resource
I think you are right that the elites want us all in electric cars so they can immobilize us all at will by shutting off the power. I imagine it would be much easier for them to shut down a power plant than trying to stop every gas station from selling gas.
But still it doesn't matter. Electric cars are coming and the consumers are going to choose them.
IMO in a few years when their batteries expire
you won't be able to give these boat anchors away.
Irrational hatred of this technology will not change anything.
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius-plug-in/2012/
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ford/model-a/2583202.html
Looks like a sweet ride!
Wifey won't let me have any more boats or cars though.
She's probably right. We can end up trapped by our possessions.