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And yet so many Catholics don't get it and continue with the religion of works, not faith, with so many proscribed, unbiblical practices. Sad.
If Catholics would notice their religion wasn’t Christianity, there wouldn’t be any Catholics.
They would notice if they read the Bible instead of the catechism. Most of the ones I know don't even own one, the catechism is taught to children.
Yup. I have sat in a Catholic Church. It felt like a brain washing service. Only the priest reads the Bible, everyone repeats Gods word, after each verse. It was fking weird.
Yeah because repeating words of praise and worship to God is “fking weird.”
I have sat in protestant Churchs and they break out the full rock concert laser light stage shows and big screen video's to induce some outwardly phony euphoria of the spirit moving you, as opposed to solemn internal reflection of ones relationship with God.
What do you think the catechism is?
(Hint: it’s the teachings and traditions of the bible and the church)
Your beliefs didn’t even exist until the 1600’s.
Who believes ? I’m a messianic Jew. My believes existed the moment the disciples accepted Jesus as the messiah.
In the Bible it does seem like James and Paul contradict each other, but as more understanding what they both are saying is that...through faith do we do our works for God. As we have faith, love and respect for the Father, we do the works out of love.
It reminds me of my Bible lesson a few weeks ago where it said “ a Christian doesn’t work “for” salvation, a Christian works “because” of salvation with Christ.
And obviously many people even wonder what are works. They think it’s helping down at the soup kitchen, lol. I mean it can be. But your heart. How you handle situations. How is your thinking? When you become saved in the name of Jesus Christ, it’s like God giving you a new heart. How does a person act now? They should be different.
Ok I’m rambling, but I hope anyone looking for more info about your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, will do so. ❤️👍
The challenge for the Christian is to distinguish between a good idea/work and a God idea, so many good ideas are not God's plan for us.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Most know the first part but never gat to the second.
The works are that which God has prepared for each of us as individuals, work within our capabilities/giftings. In the parable of the talents they were give according to ability Matthew 25:15 - the talent wasn't the ability is was the work God has prepared for each individual - arrives as opportunities, may or may not involve money. Some are 5 talent people, some 2, some 1 - but God only asks us to do the works He prepared for us.
When we succeed He delights in us, and we still get the reward!
LOL. Or perhaps the Church was overtaken by Jesuits. Maybe that's the greater problem than lay Catholics? Seriously, what is the intent of your comment? Who is your enemy?
What little sect do you belong to? Does it instruct you to always try wedge between good Christians? Is there a Bible verse you could point me to for such inspiration?
Here's one I have for you.
“That they may all be one.” John 17:21
I posted this reply earlier, but somehow it got 'deleted'...so I'll repeat it here.
Think about this for a moment....
Let's say you had a dad that was loving and very successful. He gave you advice the entire time you grew up, hoping that if you took that advice you'd have a great life.
Let's say you could repeat back every single piece of advice your dad ever gave you. That would only mean that you memorized what your dad said.
But when would you know that you believed the advice your dad gave you?
Only when you grew up and you were out on your own. If you lived the way your father taught, then you actually believe him.
Belief is acting out your faith. Memorization is fine, but it doesn't fulfill the requirement in John 3:16 -- 'When you believe in the Son, you are destined for eternal life.'
Believing in the Son is having been persuaded by God that what Jesus teaches is the best way to live your life. And if you have been persuaded of that, then you do live your life that way. In other words, your 'works' are your faith.
No one (except an idiot) believes that they 'earn' their way into heaven. It is a free and unmerited gift from God. But if I believe what God has told me, then I live my life that way. My works are indistinguishable from my faith.
Those of you who think that Catholics think they 'earn' their way into heaven are misguided. We don't. You simply don't understand what the Greek word 'pisteuon' means. That word, in John 3:16, means to believe, to have been persuaded, to adopt a worldview, and to live out that worldview.
Anyone who does not do that, does not believe...and therefore risks not receiving the promise contained in John 3:16. You only need to read as far as John 3:36 to have Jesus confirm it for you.
God bless you.
False! You catholic haters lack the one thing that is actually required of us:
Charity.
The bible you read only exists because of the catholic church which was started by Christ. One act you miss that is in fact required of us:
Repentance.
The church He created. Denomination’s were, I don’t think, apart of the plan. It does nothing but divide Christians. That, IMO, is the devils business.
I go to a Baptist church, but I would never call myself a Baptist. The church is all that matters. And church doesn’t require a building. It’s the people inside. If a person wants a denomination...then let Jesus himself be that denomination. Because He belongs to none of them. He is all of them. He is.
There is only one church that is not a denomination: the catholic church.
Baptists demy the sacraments that the Apostles participated in.
You are correct. Repentance and belief.
Theologically, they are one in the same in the following sense...
You 'repent' (turn around) and return to God's worldview (what he teaches), which is 'belief'.
See my (longer) response to undine for details.
God bless.
They are not one and the same. They lead to each other. Repentance is a specific act.
Agreed, they are distinct. That's why I said they connect 'in the following sense' -- plus I was trying to tie my the other post (about belief). Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Actually, it's much more profound the way you said it. They lead to each other.
I just checked. I can't find my first post (somehow it got 'deleted')...so I'll repeat it here.
It's in response to undine's original comment...
Think about this for a moment....
Let's say you had a dad that was loving and very successful. He gave you advice the entire time you grew up, hoping that if you took that advice you'd have a great life.
Let's say you could repeat back every single piece of advice your dad ever gave you. That would only mean that you memorized what your dad said.
But when would you know that you believed the advice your dad gave you?
Only when you grew up and you were out on your own. If you lived the way your father taught, then you actually believe him.
Belief is acting out your faith. Memorization is fine, but it doesn't fulfill the requirement in John 3:16 -- 'When you believe in the Son, you are destined for eternal life.'
Believing in the Son is having been persuaded by God that what Jesus teaches is the best way to live your life. And if you have been persuaded of that, then you do live your life that way. In other words, your 'works' are your faith.
No one (except an idiot) believes that they 'earn' their way into heaven. It is a free and unmerited gift from God. But if I believe what God has told me, then I live my life that way. My works are indistinguishable from my faith.
Those of you who think that Catholics think they 'earn' their way into heaven are misguided. We don't. You simply don't understand what the Greek word 'pisteuon' means. That word, in John 3:16, means to believe, to have been persuaded, to adopt a worldview, and to live out that worldview.
Anyone who does not do that, does not believe...and therefore risks not receiving the promise contained in John 3:16. You only need to read as far as John 3:36 to have Jesus confirm it for you.
God bless you.
It is so simple - accept Jesus Christ and have a place in the kingdom of God for eternity. I urge people to do soon without delay. God bless.
It's one thing to say it, but how does one truly mean it?
That is both a work of the Holy Spirit, and a deep recognition of what was suffered by Jesus to pay for your sin and gratitude for the price paid.
Well said - many miss Jesus discussion with Nicodemus (John 3) it's the work of the Holy Spirit to change us! We just have to accept the gift.
What happens in John 6?
In the latter half of John 6, we read about hundreds (or perhaps thousands) of people listen to Jesus speak, listen attentively with all the extra information of his hand gestures and intonation, and determine that what he is saying is too extreme for them to bear. So they leave.
Not just the crowd (who leaves first), but also the disciples (who had given up their entire lives to follow Jesus). They didn't leave because of a 'bad metaphor'. They knew exactly what Jesus meant - and they were unable to believe it.
Yet we have people today, 2000 years later, saying that John 6 is a metaphor. Why do people who do not have the benefit of being there live, think they understand it better than every single person that was there?
And why would his disciples leave for a bad metaphor?
Only the apostles stayed - and even they were freaked out.
It's not a metaphor.
BOOM
Much but I was referring to the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus which as I noted occurs in John 3:1-18
You can’t be a protestant if you understand John 6
Thank you.
You ask a very important question that most people miss (to their peril).
See my response to undine53.
I just checked, and somehow my first post got 'deleted'...so I'll repeat it here.
It's in response to undine's original comment...
Think about this for a moment....
Let's say you had a dad that was loving and very successful. He gave you advice the entire time you grew up, hoping that if you took that advice you'd have a great life.
Let's say you could repeat back every single piece of advice your dad ever gave you. That would only mean that you memorized what your dad said.
But when would you know that you believed the advice your dad gave you?
Only when you grew up and you were out on your own. If you lived the way your father taught, then you actually believe him.
Belief is acting out your faith. Memorization is fine, but it doesn't fulfill the requirement in John 3:16 -- 'When you believe in the Son, you are destined for eternal life.'
Believing in the Son is having been persuaded by God that what Jesus teaches is the best way to live your life. And if you have been persuaded of that, then you do live your life that way. In other words, your 'works' are your faith.
No one (except an idiot) believes that they 'earn' their way into heaven. It is a free and unmerited gift from God. But if I believe what God has told me, then I live my life that way. My works are indistinguishable from my faith.
Those of you who think that Catholics think they 'earn' their way into heaven are misguided. We don't. You simply don't understand what the Greek word 'pisteuon' means. That word, in John 3:16, means to believe, to have been persuaded, to adopt a worldview, and to live out that worldview.
Anyone who does not do that, does not believe...and therefore risks not receiving the promise contained in John 3:16. You only need to read as far as John 3:36 to have Jesus confirm it for you.
God bless you.
God knows.
Love it!
Thank you Jesus! Though i feel unworthy.
We are all unworthy yet he still loves. Hallelujah! All glory to God!
Amen!
The worst 6 months of my life was about understanding who Jesus was but not what he had come to do. So I spent 6 months trying to impress him and convince him I was a good person. EPIC FAIL. But I will never forget the day when I figured out The above.
Dittos! Then you might appreciate this one from Tony Vincent: Out Of My Hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bSHpiHCuA
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Frens, Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Religion will not save you. I pray for all the lost sheep to be found by our Great Shepherd of the sheep Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 3:15 KJV [15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Thank you! This is something that we really need to make clear when we speak of Jesus.
Finally! Someone with the sauce!
He is Worthy of it All
Worship him today. It will fill you with joy and bring you closer to the Holy Spirit.
All to him, I owe!!!
Excellent post, THANK YOU
He fixed me before I even broke myself.
Me too.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-2-14_2-20
"James Chapter 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
The amount due is not zero.
The amount due is REPENTANCE.
One of the things Romans deals with is the issue of salvation. While I just finished reading Romans in my study Bible a month or two ago, I could probably stand to re-read it again.
The Great Awakening is supposed to be a return to God (in addition to everything else it will bring). As Q said, "The end won't be for everyone" applies to many subsets of people.
One question I had is: did God intend for all people to be saved? Or will only a certain subset of people be saved and rise into the kingdom of eternal life?
I believe the answer is "No, he didn't intend for everyone to be saved" but I'm open to having my mind changed.
In that, I want to use a Paul Revere analogy. We gallop on our horse to try and spread the Gospel so that people might come to be saved. Anybody that does come to faith, is a +1 for the Kingdom, even if God didn't intend for them to believe. However, realizing that we shouldn't expend tons of our energy and go to great lengths to convert. This might be where "do not cast your pearls before swine" comes into play....but maybe I'm taking that out of context. Context is very important in the Bible I've noticed.
Since coming to my faith earlier this year (thank you GAW/DJT), I've had a lot of questions that my church family hasn't been able to give me a good answer to and this is one of them.
You remember how Jesus fed 3’000 people with 5 loaves breads and 2 fishes?
I usually think of it as an image: His Word is what has fed their Souls with. Few words were enough to instill many people’s hope.
Love it! ✝️☦️
u/#god
Why did he have to?
So He set an example for us to follow.🙏🏻
True, However, it goes deeper than that- God, to be truly just , can't simply let sin go, there is a penalty for sin, which is death. We sin against both other people and God, all the time, and our accumulated 'rap sheet' would require the death penalty, especially if we are held to the standard Jesus himself sets in Matthew 5:1 - 6: 8.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness far surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Personal Relationships 21 “You have heard that [j]the ancients were told, ‘You shall not murder,’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be answerable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be answerable to the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘[k]You good-for-nothing,’ shall be answerable to [l]the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the [m]fiery hell. 23 Therefore, if you are presenting your [n]offering at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your [o]offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your [p]offering. 25 [q]Come to good terms with your accuser quickly, while you are with him on the way to court, so that your accuser will not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you will not be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last [r]quadrans.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 Now if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, [s]than for your whole body to be thrown into [t]hell. 30 And if your right hand is causing you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you; for it is better for you [u]to lose one of the parts of your body, [v]than for your whole body to go into [w]hell.
31 “Now it was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away is to give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who [x]divorces his wife, except for the reason of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a [y]divorced woman commits adultery.
33 “Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told, ‘[aa]You shall not [ab]make false vows, but shall fulfill your [ac]vows to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, take no oath at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, nor [ad]by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you take an oath by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37 But make sure your statement is, ‘[ae]Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is [af]of evil origin.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not show opposition against an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other toward him also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your [ag]tunic, let him have your [ah]cloak also. 41 Whoever [ai]forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors, do they not do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Even the Gentiles, do they not do the same? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
6:1 “Take care not to practice your righteousness in the sight of people, to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
2 “So when you [a]give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, so that they will be praised by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 But when you [b]give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your charitable giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
5 “And when you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they [c]will be seen by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6 But as for you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
7 “And when you are praying, do not use thoughtless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard because of their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
Tax payers have been paying it all a, with interest 🤡
Biden student loan forgiveness is probably way more scientifically fact-checked, it’s debunking the cult of extremists like Jesus could ever forgive as well as a Democrat 😂🤡
Amen!
...The troll in me wants to make a joke about jews and keeping the change... but I get what op is driving at here, so I'll be nice, lol.
They are covered by Jesus' payment too. See Romans 11.
oh sure. like I said, it's more of a troll joke. Jews are an easy scapegoat.
but this is the internet, and I'm not above a little mischief now and again...
what mean by rejection and loneliness ?
Romans 7 and 8 speak of adoption into a family.
Thank you, I briefly skimmed, seems like Romans 7 was talking about marriage and losing a husband? Romans 8 talked about Jesus and God being our Father.
Romans 7 .., That's true, except we are the ones who die to our sin- Once one dies, they are no longer 'tied' to the Law by covenant. (Just as death releases us from marriage vows: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A23-46&version=NASB
4 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were brought to light by the Law, were at work in [g]the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the [h]Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
What does this mean?
Good Question: Paul speaks later in the chapter about a dual nature- we have a sin nature which we inherited from Adam, and a new nature. You could think of the sin nature as a badly mutated nature that wrecks havoc with our human nature, which is created in God's image. Our old nature that desires to sin is what is put to death. Also, in relation to the 'marriage' comparison, if our old nature is dead, it is no longer 'wed' to the Law.
That's what I say when they pass the basket....
I'll see myself out =======>
This logic doesn't fit well with me. Almighty God has to sacrifice Jesus in order to have a payment for the sins of mankind? Why couldn't he just forgive each one of us on an individual basis based on our individual actions?
Religion has to be reasonable and easily explained. This concept is absurd to me and seems more like something Europeans at that time would believe, not the people of the area Jesus was from.
I also find it peculiar that both Jews and Muslims believe in strict monotheism and God not requiring anything under any circumstance per the definition of "God".
I don't buy this one. I haven't since I was a kid. Just doesn't make any sense.
All sin has a penalty, just as all crimes should. God did not have to sacrifice Jesus (and this is where some Christians really need to read and take into account all of Scripture) Jesus, who is God come in the flesh, chose to pay the penalty for our sin Himself. As He said, John 10: 11 - 18
If Jesus is God in the Flesh why would he yell "Why have you forsaken me?" I don't understand this.
So God comes in the flesh to be a human, then gets tempted by Satan (Absurd to even think about Satan even attempting to tempt God), then gets sacrificed and asks Himself why He's forsaken Himself?
And He chooses to sacrifice His human body to pay for sins that He Himself requires payment for? What?
Again, no reasonable logic here. What makes far more sense to me in this specific context of monotheism is the Jewish and Muslim version of it. Even the Sikhs believe in One and One God only.
I've been waiting 30+ years for someone to reasonably make sense of the "God in flesh requiring payment to God in spirit yet God is one*.
That's a good question, and one that many raised in either Judaism or Islam ask all the time. He was quoting King David (Psalms 22- This Psalm is called the Crucifixion Psalm because of its explicit description of what a crucified person would have felt) as a teaching tool. God has three Persona, (dimensions, if you will) They are distinct, yet united. Sacrificing His human body for sin is a hard concept to grasp, but this illustration might help: A judge convicts an adult child of his of a traffic violation that requires payment of a fine. He and the son or daughter both know justice needs to be served, but the adult child does not have the means to pay the fine. The judge passes the sentence, then pays the fine himself after removing his Judge robe....
https://www.keithferrin.com/blog/simple_explain_trinity
How come the concept of 3 Gods was not a thing prior to the New Testament other than in Pagan circles? Why are Jews strict monotheists?
These analogies are human rationalizations. The bottom line is it makes zero sense. God is not subject to laws. By definition, He is above all constraints or else there is no God.
The idea that He had to manifest in flesh and had to pay for the sins of mankind means he is subject, and not God.
The judge in your story needs to sentence his son because he is subject to the law that was created by others. God is not subject to anything.
You cannot claim to be monotheist and rationalize these things. It's ridiculous.
You're missing the bigger picture here: the main goal of these rules (and the Holy Trinity) is for christians to be able to guilt trip themselves into giving Jesus' death so much more weight than they would be able to, otherwise.
"Humans killed Jesus, who is God's son and also God Himself, and Jesus' death on the cross saved us all as long as you repent and believe in His sacrifice" ---> this tale only has any weight if you believe Jesus truly is God's son and also God Himself (so you believe the "Holy Trinity")... because if not, them this was just some random judaean prophet's crucifixion by the romans thousands of years ago.
But imagine you're a christian who's up there in Golgotha watching the crucifixion of Jesus as it unfolds: the son of God, who you know is imbued with the very spirit of the one God Almighty Himself, is bleeding right before your very eyes and crying "My God, why have you forsaken me?"... as the minutes pass, he's there and he's dying and you're waiting and nothing happens. And he dies.
How do you even begin to backpedal or backtrack from this?... You don't. You double down. Yes he died... he died for me. His death saved us all. He expired all our sins. Now we'll be going to heaven. If we just believe his sacrifice.
In other words "everything that just transpired that would break my belief, I will instead twist and use to re-enforce my belief". You hold on to your belief and you strenghten it in whatever way you can. Or else your whole world fails.
Christianity does not work without the Holy Trinity and these rules that God Almighty seemingly "has to follow" for reasons unexplained. But that is just how mythology goes: it's a buy-in, and you either buy-in on the idiosyncrasies or you don't, based on how much it speaks to you. Thing is, this tale spoke to a whole lot of people. It still does. Why? Do people like the guilt trip? Or rather they like the feeling that "someone loves them so much, that this someone sacrificed himself to save them". I think we can see how that's a very powerful feeling, it's inspiring really - enough to make any miserable person feel loved, and perhaps even make them want to be better. Yes it's objectively a guilt trip, but this is one they feel inspired by. No matter how awful you feel (you are?), there's this big someone who did this one big thing for you, and he saved you. You just feel loved.
Ok but is it true or not?... The answer varies, but bottomline is, that's just how humans are. It's not any different in other religions. Again, that's mythology for ya. A collection of tales that speak to you, that inspire, that you hold on to, for some reason. If the myth / tale speaks to you, then you just shrug off the things that (yes) are illogical.
The Holy Trinity was made up almost 70 years after Jesus death, in Rome, in order to not lose control. There is no concept of the Holy Trinity before. Christianity works fine out with it it's not even an issue lol. Lots of Christians in the Middle East believe in God and God alone with Jesus being the Son but not God.
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Q: In response to your question about why couldn’t God just forgive. Why did He have to sacrifice his son?
A: because there are spiritual laws that even God Himself are subject to, as are Satan and his demons.
First to know is, there is no gray area between believing in God Almighty and choosing not to belief. Choosing not to believe is the exact same thing as choosing Satan.
Now in your why Jesus had to have his blood spilled. The spiritual laws require blood sacrifice to redeem another. It’s all in the Old Testament starting with God killing animal to use their skins to cover Adam and Eve in their nakedness and shame for their sin against God. And those laws can be seen in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and throughout the Bible right up to Jesus holding the cup of wine at the Passover declaring “this is my blood shed for you”.
Spiritual laws require blood to be paid to free the sinner from his sin. Jesus was born to die for every.single.one.of.us. And here’s the kick: he died for us while we were still sinning!
Wherever a drop of His sacred blood (remember His Father is Almighty God who gave Jesus perfect blood! For where does a baby gets it’s DNA for blood from? It’s father!) spilled, was redeemed from the curse of sin and death.
That’s just the beginning. When He rose from the grave, he put eternal death under his feet so that we too will rise from the grave and live eternally with Him in glory!
And all we have to do? Believe and confess Jesus is Lord over our life. Some call it cheap grace. I call it Everlasting Love and Grace.
Spiritual laws that God is subject to? Oh my lol this is a new one. God is not God if He is subject to anything. By definition that invalidates the entire word "God".
Not buying it. "Spiritual laws require..." sounds like rationalizing unreasonable belief systems.
How come there is no need for God to sacrifice anything for Jews in regards to sin? In Judaism it's as simple as asking for forgiveness in sincerity and trying not to do it again. As is Islam as is Sikhism.
Again, it makes no sense that God would come in the flesh and be tempted by Satan, a creation of His own for the riches of the world, another creation of His own only to be sacrificed for Himself by Himself required of Himself. Makes no sense lol
Ok you’ve made your mind up. God bless you.
I've only offered questions that people love to give analogies on. The reality of the situation is that the 3 in 1 concept wasn't even around during Jesus time. It's a creation of Rome to keep control of the masses.
You are wrong. Dead wrong. Read the word of God — the God-breathed word of God. If you have separated God’s spirit from your “smarts”, you will have no Godly wisdom. Your choice. Btw read Romans 8. It explains the spiritual law we Christian believers have been set free from.
Fren, God is perfectly just also. You can think of him as High King and Judge. Do you feel justice is done when a criminal is set free with no punishment? It would not be very just right? Even if the victim has forgiven him, the crime still happened.
This is the concept of atonement, which you can read about in detail here, starting at "Vicarious Atonement" https://carm.org/doctrine-and-theology/substitutionary-atonement-of-jesus-christ/
Matt Slick is very logical and is glad to answer any further questions you have. I am glad to also!
But God can punish and serve justice as He wills on an individual basis lol. I don't see why He would need to sacrifice anything, anyone and frankly Himself in some weird transition to being human and asking Himself why he forsake Himself.
The trinity makes no sense to me. Never has.
He could punish and serve justice as He wills, but then he wouldn't be perfectly just right?
The posters above replied to most of your others questions here and I agree with them.
The Trinity is our best understanding of how God has revealed Himself to be 3 persons. This is consistent with the Jewish Torah. God said We (plural pronoun) will create Man in Our (plural) image. There are many examples in the Torah where the Messenger of the Lord (pre-incarnate Jesus) visits people and is treated as and worshipped as God. But that is a pretty deep theological conversation I can point you to some good resources on it if you're interested.
Why wouldn't that be just? "I am God. I judge all. End of story". By definition of the word "God" that fits as it should.
It seems most aren't even aware of the Trinity is. It was added 70 years after Jesus death and had nothing to do with him or his words lol. Nothing.
Rome created it.
We is a term to describe magnificence and more importantly, it's royal. In Islam Allah is reference with a "we" as well. This is not evidence of plurality lol
The queen of England referenced herself (singular) as "we" but it doesn't mean she's describing 3 entities. She's speaking as royalty.
I've seen all the resources brother. The point of questioning it was to make others think about how ridiculous it is to try and justify a 3-1 but 1 God.
A God that is subject to "spiritual laws" (another anon actually wrote that.
Whatever, it is what it is lol
Because if He judged all "just fine" you and I would know that God was a liar. He wouldn't be acting according to his own standard. God is perfect, therefore by definition He must judge accurately and fairly.
The word Trinity was created after the Bible was written but the concept is clearly outlined in scripture in multiple places. Jesus and many others including his followers and Romans recognized Him as the Son of God. Jesus directly claimed to be God and did not stop people from worshipping Him. Whereas Angels stop people from worshipping them.
There is no royal We in ancient Hebrew. It is not the same as Arabic or modern English sensibilities.
In my humble opinion you are putting God in a box. You expect God to operate and exist like humans do, as one spirit or one body. Christians believe God operates simultaneously as three persons who have eternally co existed. Because that is what He revealed to us.
(Including the Older Covenant!)
What are you talking about? Gods judgment isn't "just fine". It's Gods judgment lol. And every individual gets judged by their individual actions. It's as simple as that.
Jesus gets on his knees in the Bible and worships God lol. What the Romans did was create a cartoon in the trinity, That's all it is. He asks God "Why have you forsaken me?" as he's being tortured. God asked Himself why is Himself betraying Himself?
I am putting God in a box? You and people like you subject God to "spiritual laws" and requirements for blood sacrifice. I put no such limitations on God.
God is above all and has zero limitations on Him and does not need or require anything to do as He wills. It's as simple as that.
If you believe in absolute truth (I do) then there is a perfect justice by definition. I believe God is that by nature. In order to meet a standard there has to be a standard and you have to hold to it. Otherwise "perfection" is meaningless. What you describe would be God acting arbitrarily, which He does not.
Jesus prays to the Father, that is not the same as worshipping the Father. The other poster answered your question about Jesus quoting a Psalm when He said, "why have you forsaken me?" Did you read the Psalm? It's very fascinating.
I didn't put God in a box. He laid out specific requirements for His people, which can be found throughout the Bible.
God can certainly do anything He wishes but in order to have the titles of good and perfect He certainly has to meet His own standard. A God who acts arbitrarily is not good or perfect.
Just keep Him on the cross, whatever the cost...