I was correct about Parler and their use of AI to censor, I was correct about Rumble and their “hate speech” terms of service, and I was correct about Gettr using AI to censor as well. All of them claim to support free speech and all of them bent the knee to the Regime powers and censor “hate speech.” Twitter under Elon Musk is no different and my analysis about this situation will be right as well. Believe me now or thank me later. Take it or leave it. ….
Nothing has changed at Twitter and based on Elon Musk’s tweets over the past month nothing will be changing anytime soon. People who have been banned in the past have been given amnesty only to return to shout into the void. Folks like Alex Jones aren’t welcome back at all not because of specific policy violations, but rather because of Elon’s emotional reaction to him on a whim. The Twitter rules have not changed. The shadowbanning has not ended—in fact Musk is openly tweeting that “negative” and “hateful” content will be “deboosted” and celebrating that “hate speech” is being removed from view in record numbers. These are the facts.
Article: https://news.gab.com/2022/11/there-is-no-freedom-of-speech-without-freedom-of-reach/
He (Andrew) never got over the fact that 45 chose not to go to Gab and was very critical. 45 couldn’t just out and say he had his own social media platform in the making.
is he wrong though?
Yes. Why would 45 want to go anywhere near Gab when at every chance Torba took a potshot at him?
Yes. A lot has changed at Twitter. "Shouting to the void", welcome to Twitter. Welcome to having to market yourself to obtain followers.
Expecting more than what has already happened -- which is a fuckton -- is blatant retardism, and Torba doesn't always seem to be on the up and up.
Further to the point, Parler was already under scrutiny beforehand anyway. People were already uneasy. This was a prediction slanted towards his favor.
Re: hate speech, rules are rules. The problem isn't having rules on a site, the problem is enforcing them differently from person to person. We have similar rules here, and on Patriots.
A "deboosted" tweet is still there to be found, to be linked to, to be retweeted unlike the previous standard of being deleted outright.
Wrong about what? That Trump should have jumped on Gab? All I see with Andrew is tons of arrogance. There are plenty of stuff you cant talk about on Gab either, so pretending theirs is the only platform that does zero censorship is rich.
What can't you question on GAB.
Gab has a lot of name-caller trolls on it.
Yes, we all want free speech. But name-calling trolls should be pushed to the background.
Wrong. You can always pick and choose what you read. What else would you push back.. Jesus doesn't censor anyone either . Gab is real world people Free speech is free speech.
Elon does have a business model to take care of.
No one is going to care about pushing name-callers away from the platform.
The deep state loves to create accounts so they can name-call with a screenshot of it.
I am a solo entrepreneur. I plan on advertising on Twitter shortly.
I can't risk my brand reputation if someone sees my logo and puts some name-calling crap next to it.
Companies spend millions on reputation and public relations management.
So you are correct. Freedom of speech. I also call for Freedom to not spend my money as an advertiser that caters towards TRASHY and IMMATURE people as well.
Thats Your choice. However your choice shouldn't restrict access to information for others Truth isn't always pretty
Name-calling isn't about truth friend. Name-calling is about putting someone down.
I have relatives that are the typical black inner city cultural types. All they do is spend time insulting each other and putting crap out on social media.
If Elon allows that type of behavior to be massively promoted on Twitter. It will turn Twitter into a low-quality platform.
Any website is a form of "Digital Real Estate". If you go to a website called flippa.com.
This is a place that allows people like myself to flip websites for profit.
Twitter isn't just a public forum for Elon. It's an Asset like a piece of Real Estate that has value.
If you owned a physical property. Let's say you got Trashy Neighbors that moved in next to you. Their behavior could ruin your property value.
That's how Elon has to look at his investment.
Gab will never be valued as high as Twitter. Andrew has tons of shit-talking trolls on there.
Which devalues the website in terms of value.
JESUS called names. CHRISTIANS are called names. I prefer the Ugly Truth to an ugly lie. GOD isn't fooled by fake human righteousness. Twitter is gonna be fine with or without your support. CBS said the same thing you posted. They left Twitter and had to come back to Twitter. GOD called names too. No one complains when Christians are called names. Let the market of ideas sort things out. You do have a block button.
I've seen lots of ugly lies on GAB, too.
Just like there were on Voat.
There is a difference between unfettered free speech and rules outlined that you agree to and are enforced equally to all sides.
You can't have unfettered free speech on any place with a large following, and that large following was created in part by established rules casting out unsavory types that did nothing but stir up trouble and break clearly outlined rules.
The problem was always the two tiered, unfair system they had in place. We can't lose sight of that.
We are talking about free speech not content. Stay on topic. All platforms carry lies.
You missed the point of his post. GAB DIDN'T BEND THE KNEE TO TO THE DEEP STATE.
Elon never said he will block them. He will limit their reach.
I am not calling to ban them. I am calling to limit their reach.
Name-calling is TRASHY!
It's no different than living next to a trashy neighbor.
Elon isn't going to change this rule. No one is going to care that he limits the immature name-callers.
They will get over it.
No they won't. He lied. Another speech and thought regulator. GOD told Adam to name things. And we will call evil for what if is. Jesus called folks mommas snakes. Jesus isn't trashy sir. Your morality is trashy and hypocritical. The dude lied all lies lead to death. Limiting any speech is unconstitutional. America 🇺🇸 land of the FREE and Home of the BRAVE. USE YOUR BLOCK BUTTON. It filters out folk you don't like. Regulate yourself. Let folk make their own choices.
Limiting reach is censorship with a pretty name.
Jesus took a whip to the temple to drive out the people who weren't respecting it.
Jesus went to where the evil was tho. He didn't stay in the safe places
Jesus isn't running a social media platform.
Every creation has a purpose. That which goes against the purpose is destructive of that purpose. A creator has the right to enforce, and has an obligation to uphold, the rules.
Jesus is King over every thing. Some vessels are marked for destruction though. The earth is the Lords and everything in it. That you are sure to find out. You hating Jesus is your problem not mine. All frauds are being exposed.
Where in the Bible does it say to accuse people you disagree with of hating Jesus?
"Thou shalt accuse thine enemy whom you personally disagree with of hating the Lord" or some such?
Must have missed that one...
I had such an interesting discussion with my brother yesterday. As we were talking about society, and what it means to "wake up", he mentioned that (from his viewpoint) the biggest problem is that people are asleep, and yet there is 10% of the mind - their conscious mind - that thinks they are awake.
It's that 10% that are asleep but THINK they are awake that is a real problem. Like the social justice warriors, who are convinced they are awake, when they are deep, deep in a satanic Marxist trance.
Likewise, some folks are not only absolutely convinced they are correct, they are sure that they CANNOT be incorrect, and therefore, they think their being correct justifies whatever they do, however they behave, and however they act.
Humility is the only escape route for that way of being, and unfortunately, in such cases, humility often only arrives on the heels of great personal tragedy or extreme personal difficulty.
Digging deeper the hole one is in is the opposite of humility.
Out of the fullness of the heart the mouth the heart speaks. You missed a lot indeed.
Thank you fren for making your personality and character quite clear. At least anons can see it.
You are clearly in pharisee mode. While Christ had compassion on the woman accused of adultery, he exposed the pharisees for who and what they are.
You take a comment on a forum platform, and cast judgment on every person who differs from your view.
It's blatantly obvious that you are operating in pharisee mode. They also used their faith and their beliefs to justify their arrogance, which is why Christ put them to shame.
I think you would be wise to reflect on your behavior before you run around casting stones.
You are welcome to your opinion.-i hope for the best for you and your However ...
The only thing that will save humanity is Truth. Truth is the ruler that all things are measured by. Truth arrives to help all who will receive Him. The choice is Truth vs. FEELINGS All humans have that battle. This isn't a popularity contest. Pharisee hated Jesus. I love Jesus. How can I be Pharisee? You can't have it both ways. Let that sink in.
And yet, you behave like a pharisee. Their sins, their fallen nature, was HOW they chose to see Jesus AND others, their arrogance in their absolute belief in their own viewpoint, and being unopened to see.
You think that someone who professes to love Jesus and worship Jesus and follow Jesus CANNOT behave like a pharisee? Humph.
No doubt you know this scripture.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Once again, I exhort you to work on some humility, instead of abusing others and slandering others because they do not appear to have the exact same views on Christ and God and Truth as you.
It's not what you profess with your mouth that counts, but the fruits you bear. One can make an idol out of one's own beliefs and convictions, and think themselves the most wonderful perfect champion, and yet, hurt the very cause they think they are championing.
Again you missed the point. I do not speak of my own righteousness I speak of Jesus Glory and Power and His Truth He who fills all things everywhere with himself. What you profess with your mouth and Believe in your heart is indeed important and that is written. If you go back and read our conversation, I made no claim to be anything. Nothing created by Jesus will stop HIS WILL. And all things will bow down before HiM Even your hero Elon and your Twitter idol
Putting down a Christian American Brother who stood up to the Cabal to give folk a voice to support a satan confused being so you can make YOUR silver falls is textbook Pharisee. Is that honorable behavior?
The number one thing that pisses me off is Democrat Propaganda accounts that instantly write hate on Republican influencers posts on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. I call each one of them out but platforms should ban the propaganda bots.
Bullshit. Pussy.
I gave up Gab for that very reason; that and I got tired of Torba slamming President Trump when in fact he is just pissed that President Trump isn't on Gab and never will be.
The only reason why Gab is still around. When the banning first started.
We needed a place to go.
Gab was good for a temporary solution.
Now that we have Rumble, TS, and now Twitter. Gab is useless in my view.
Andrew keeps yelling free speech!
I don't have all the time to keep clicking the block button on the number of trolls on there.
It's a waste of time.
You have to do the same thing on Twitter. I do it all the time. Come on now.
Torba isnt winning over fan by being constantly salty and constantly talking religion - but hes also not wrong, and Gettr and Parler are honeypots funded by globalists.
As much as it is entertaining to watch and things have changed a lot - there is still a long way to go before Twitter is an actual free speech platform.
However what Torba misses is that we are also in a tech war, and all the Darpa offshoots like Twitter Google Facebook are special cases - they are extensions of the deep state.
Not sure how it is all going to play out, but exposing it is a key battleground beyond simply 'how much free speech do they allow'.
How "free speech" Gab is, is largely irrelevant - like it or not, the world's digital town square is Twitter. If we all retreat to Gab for free speech, we cede the battlefield. If Elon is going to level the playing field (and from what I've seen on Twitter over the last month, he absolutely has) then that's where we have to bombard with redpills. I have absolutely seen a change on Twitter, regardless of what Torba thinks. The amount of posts I've seen ratio'd to hell that normally would've been popular, is no mistake.
Like conservatives who still pretend that election fraud doesn't exist...
i love him personally. his email newsletters are a great read, even to a non Christian like me
Gab doesn't talk religion. He talks Jesus Who is before any man made religion.
Aren't all religions man made?
Yes. HOWEVER Jesus was before man's religion.
There were religions before Jesus Christ was born.
"Elon didn't open the floodgates on day one and let everyone call out Jews all over Twitter, nothing has changed."
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I see what you did there
Elon seems to be doing the best he can with what he inherited when purchasing the platform. I’m just going with my gut instinct with Elon and my gut says he’s one of the good ones. I guess we will see.
They suppressed the Brave and Wise voices who wanted to be the voices of reason Worldwide. How much did the lock down destroy in all things good. We should open free comedy clubs for a year.
TDS has already destroyed most comedy, I stopped going to the local comedy clubs back around 2016 thanks to it.
Someday I would enjoy an intelligent debate about censorship. From what I read, and hear discussed, it seems there are lots of people who want the 1st Amendment, but also want to censor whoever is the opposite of their own ideology. I know no one here wants their children exposed to trash , and I agree. There is nowhere on the internet that can prevent children from reading certain things, seeing certain things, etc. There also seems no way to completely prevent minors from accessing stuff without an unthinkable invasion of privacy. Pornographers have often used the 1st Amendment to defend their right to display "art", and now a days, I could take a picture of goat turds in the snow and call it art. Political thought and speech should not be censored, but so called "sex education" should be. I personally do not want to read vulgarities spouted by someone with a Junior High School mentality, so, I do not. There are things that I have read on line that I wish I did not know, and it has nothing to do with shadow governments or hidden money and power and evil doers, but I do not need a detailed description of every perversion in history, nuance can suffice, not only that, freaks get off on it. Is a monitor on a website or chat or board censoring, or are they editing?
The only times I hear about this guy are when he's being salty AF about his competitors. Every single time. Gab could be the most pure version of free speech on the planet and it wouldn't make a difference. Like it or not, the world's town square is Twitter. So that's where we have to do battle.
Exactly, we have to be on Twitter right now because that's where we can reach the most people who haven't been exposed to alternative information yet. Those people were stuck inside an echo-chamber, where they consume most of their social media information, and we just broke in.
Yeah I think there is a difference in a company allowing “freedom of speech” vs clear angry, hate filled, criminal intent type speech. I don’t blame any site for blocking the obvious garbage spewing.
I use Gab and like it. But Twitter - well, it's Twitter, and important on a wider scale. And yes, Twitter ABSOLUTELY has changed dramatically in past couple weeks. Previously forbidden topics are widely discussed. This has turned the tables upside down for the radical left and the deep state puppet masters.
By definition anything that is free is collecting your data and then sold off.
If Torba is so smart to have predicted this, then he is smart enough to see the end of the line for his little experiment that has cost him so much financially (they set up their own servers) aka VERY expensive. This sounds a lot like desperation to stay relevant than it is a warning.
Yeah I’m going to go with, major reach here. I know some of you really want to hate Elon musk, but he’s doing far more good than evil. He’s removing pedophilia from the platform and hopefully he’ll be exposing them soon. I’m no longer shadowbanned on twitter. I see conservative tweets on my timeline which were suppressed for years. If this is what you call bending the knee. Then we gota do it more often. Musk lost over 50 advertisers already from huge names and this man doesn’t give a fffffff. Do I believe everything he says, hell no. I’m following his actions and so far they’ve been great.
I say whatever I want on GETTR without the Orwellian thought police.. If there’s censorship there I’m not seeing it.
I'm so sick of this crap. Can we given Musk more than a couple of weeks before we bitch and moan about how "nothing" has changed. The guy literally just bought the platform and is likely looking at more important shit than changing the rules. I mean aside from political actors shitting on our rights via proxy, restoring wrongfully banned account, fighting child trafficking, and insane algorithms that are being fed to the FBI, I'd say Elon is a little busy right now.
AND that is why I am NOT on ANY of those...USING AI for nefarious reasons is playing "tickle the tiger's tail" BECAUSE it will come around and bite one in the A$$!!!...WOWOZA
Every place answers to someone. Some places answers to jews/israel. Some places answer to China. Some places answer to the WEF. Some to Saudi Arabia/muslims. No matter who it is, be it Reddit, 4chan, Scored/TheWins, Zerohedge, Twitter, Facebook, or whoever. They have an owner that the ultimately answer to.
“Every place answers to someone”. Exactly right. There is no such thing as pure free speech. In the old USA speech was more free than now but you couldn’t blaspheme the Lord. Now you can blaspheme the Lord but not the LGBTQs nor the Jews. Gotta pick who we will bow to which will also define the limits of free speech.
Repeal the hate laws and most of the problems leave with them.
The thing is, Twitter is now a 100% private company. He can allow whoever he wants to use it. The thing I would bitch about is if he doesn’t allow free thinking on things. That’s what I care about.
Torba has been fighting for survival for a long time.. Recall he offered Musk a board position the only cost was to drop the twitter acquisition.. He continues to vie for marketshare and protect his employees. As to what he knows about the inner workings of other platforms. I am unaware...
I have a Gab account. Ad Ad Ad Story Story Same story Same story Same story Same story Ad Ad Ad Meme Same story Same story Same story Ad Ad Ad Who to follow Repeat above 15 min in you realize you’ve seen 3 posts Maybe I’m doing it wrong
Grab the meat and spit out the rest of the noise ..
Can't remember who told me this at a very young age, but it always stuck with me:
"The fastest way to lose a debate is to overstate your argument". Seems like that's what Torba is doing here.
Obviously Twatter has changed significantly for the better. Is it perfect now? Of course not and we shouldn't stop pressuring Musk in a tactful and diplomatic manner. Torba is right, AJ should be on Twatter. As to deboosting and shadowbanning, I won't comment until we see what algorithm is being used to determine "negative" and "hateful" content.
But to say that Musk is "no different" just makes Torba sound like a 'tard.
Parler is a demonrat cesspool now. Twitter needs to clean up a lot of commie troll shit to make up for the damage that’s already been done. I don’t know enough about gab but seems like they’re not very different. Anti free speech trolls have one goal and that’s to get free speech banned.
Truth Social uses Rumble for video services so it can't be that bad.
true and based
This is why I only use TruthSocial
Torba is a misogynistic pig.... He hates competition....
Unless he is an actual pig, right there is the unnecessary name calling we've been discussing on this post.
In my opinion, Torba IS an actual pig...