I recently returned to work(off caring for my mother s/p a hip surgery). I work at the bedside in ICU/PCUs. I worked on the front lines when the Coof ramped up(3 years ago). Upon returning to work I was surprised to see that Remdesivir was still being ordered for Coof+ patients with the kidney/liver damage that it causes. I have never given the vax and won't; I won't give Remdesivir(I am unvaxxed and I refused Remdesivir in December 2021 when I was an inpatient with the Coof...or whatever it truly is...). If I can locate the studies/finding should I have copies of the Remdesivir trials? Will I be asked to leave/be fired for refusing to administer dangerous treatments? I am, also, sending this question to America's Frontline Doctors...not sure if I will get an answer....BTW, thank you to everyone on this site. It makes me feel "less crazy"!
Looking for legal advice regarding my job as a nurse. What are the consequences if I refuse to administer/give Remdesivir, the Vax, etc.? Do I have any legal recourse as an "advocate"?
LAWFAGS IN THE HOUSE?
This is a great question. What happens if you refuse to administer medication ordered by MD ... well. hmm. If 100,000 units of insulin was ordered and you refused, you wouldn't get in trouble. So ... How did you get out of administering the vax, or is that not done in the ICU? Very interesting question, I await your answer, from a fellow RN. PS cannot believe that drug is still being used. Wait. Yes I can.
Hi dty6. It is not done in the ICU(giving vax). From one nurse to another, I used to love my job...now I HATE my job. Waiting for a time to look into a job change...
Don’t change jobs, change the job. Be the change you are looking for. Advocate for your patients. Learn the studies/data and school the physicians (in front of everyone on rounds if need be). God bless you. Stay in the fight. Be the change you are looking for.
I would imagine you have to do this type of thing on egg shells. If you call out a doc on rounds, I am fairly certain you will be fired that same day.
Evidence-based discussions regarding treatments of patients used to be encouraged on rounds…nurses included (I wouldn’t advise calling the attending a f’ing retard or murderer or anything like that)…but, that was during my residency 15 yrs or so ago.
okay, I am not in medicine so don't have any real knowledge on the subject, except as a patient understanding the egos of doctors.
I am sure debate on treatment was encouraged in the past. Maybe you are right, it takes standing up to continue that tradition.
It wouldn't be the worst thing to happen...
My mother is a retired RN. She retired prior to Covid. She quit because she hated her job after Obamacare ruined medicine. She loved it for decades before that.
Hi fren, I hear you. I'm still a working RN but I don't do pt care any more. I actually have a really cool little job that I like. DM me and I'll tell you about it.
Now the "brand name" is being used, Veklury.
GigiRN, if all else fails, sue. You can always become a private nurse too as their are plenty of antivax rich people who need RNs they can trust.
Again, COVID-19 does not kill anyone — treatment like remdesivir and shoving ventilators down people’s throats to blow out their lungs do.
My husband never had the Vax. Went to hospital for double pneumonia and SOB. Was given Remdesivir which led to a ventilator which led to his death. I wish I had known about remdesivir before he got it. They wouldn’t let me anywhere near him for 10 days. They said he was positive for COVID but this was December 2021 and I truly believe it was a bad test.
I am terribly sorry. It's incredible how the medical industrial complex was weaponized against we the people. I know it won't bring him back but you should consider suing
You should look into a medical malpractice attorney. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.🙏
I am so sorry for your loss. You are in my prayers.
What killed Diamond then? She never took the vaccine.
Are you sure she didn't take the jab? Everyone is implying that the jab killed her. Any sauce that she didn't take it?
interesting take. I don't know the answer, but shedding could certainly be it.
She was very vocal about not taking the vax, I’d just be quoting her, really. Is there any proof that she lied about not taking it?
msm article. Doesn't discuss diamond as anti vax, just anti mandate. At her memorial it was implied that the jab did this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/did-diamond-and-silk-get-vaccinated-cause-of-death-remarks-spark-confusion/ar-AA16Do7A?li=BBnba9O
If you have other sources of her saying she wasn't vaxxed please share.
She was obese.
Probably had a lot of health problems.
I don't envy you, but go with your conscience (unlike the "doctors.") If they fire you, you will find a better line of work. Sounds easy for me to say, I know. I've lost a lot for refusing the death jab: money, friends, career. It's still worth it
ThankQ for your heroism. I wish there were more like you in the medical field. I think you could refuse administering Remdesivir as it legally violates your religious beliefs. Below is a link to Tom Renz, as other anon mentioned! 😃 along with a link to Children’s Health Defense. Both might be able to assist with your excellent question.
Tom Renz Law
Children’s Health Defense
Did you take an oath as a nurse similar to the Hippocratic oath like the MDs? If so, then you are bound by your oath to first do no harm. Since you know Remdesivir causes harm, then you are oath bound to not inject anyone with it.
Sure did.
My husband is in the medical field and has been asking the same question. Eager to hear what others say that can help.
Tom Renz is the best.
Boom….👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Contact the Advocates,. Helping in the WI. Supreme Court Case.
Awesome! I would find those studies and give them to everyone at the hospital and then tell them you refuse to administer it. There would be a HUGE lawsuit for anyone who is injured by this treatment from that point.
My recommendation would be to refuse to administer and, if you're fired, contact Attorney Renz. You may want to contact him beforehand to see if he can give you any guidance/advice.
Upvoting for necessary visibility. God be with you, LQdy!🙏🏻🤗💐
Remdesivir lawsuit
Might try the argument "I'm morally obligated not to participate in murder."
demand for FDA to remove remdesivir
Maybe Doctors Vliet's and McCullough's organization can guide you:
https://www.truthforhealth.org/about-us-truth-for-health-foundation/
Attorney Tom Renz might a good source.
You could suggest that the patient look up a resource about Veklury or Remdesivir and tell them they have the right to refuse it...that they can decide for themselves. You could have links printed on a card to hand to them and entitle it "open-sourced documents for informed consent".
You will get fired, but you may be able to sue later. You would be "in the right", because you would just be giving informed consent. If they still want the meds, refuse to be the one to administer it.
That is what I would do. I would never kill someone to keep my job.
I feel for you!
Hey. We need more nurse advocates to work hand in hand with Frontline Doctors. I go to one in MO. She can prescribe Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine within our state, and she administers vitamin-infused IVs. She has saved thousands of lives!
A lot of hospitals don't want the nurses handing out any material that's not from their "approved" system.
Yea. I agree. I know it would get the nurses fired, but there is an obligation to inform the patient, so the nurse might win a lawsuit if fired...especially if the link provided is to the NIH, FDA, or big pharm website directly...not to a Stew Peters-type source.
Or not, but we definitely have to tell the patient how Remdesivir didn't even make it through the ebola trials, because it shut down kidneys. That info is on the NIH website.. We also could give them a link to the trials in France.
The info about Paxlovid is right on the big pharm website, so, I wonder if warning about it by just giving the actual Paxlovid info from their own website could help us win a lawsuit if we get fired. That info says it is investigational and has numerous side effects and dangerous drug interactions. It even says their may be more of those that are unknown because it hasn't been used often enough to know.
Yea. We would be fired. But, it would be an honorable way to go out..and would be quite a statement...if all we gave the patient was info right from these big pharm, NIH, and FDA sources.
Agree. The duty is to the patient.
Now that you know the dangers, can you perform those procedures on innocent people and still look at yourself in the mirror?
They're asking for help because they disagree with the use and efficacy of the vaxx/remdesivir, and don't want to administer them.
@GigiRN
You aren't crazy and I'm so glad you're able to find a group that helps you understand that. :)
We love you!
Good on you for standing up against what you know is Evil. It is not easy, but it is those that do who stand in it's way - knowing you're doing what is right, lean on God's promises to take care of you through this, and I assure you He will hold you and bring you through it to something wonderful.
It is so sad we have had to deal with these issues; ethical/unethical and potentially fatal to the patient. Remember your sworn medical oath. If an individual knows the facts and truth of effective/non-effective treatments, drugs, therapeutics combined with their medical oath, I think he/she would be protected. This attorney; Tom Renz is representing the victims of Covid. He has an army of attorneys across the nation dealing with Covid lawsuits. He may be able to assist you. https://renz-law.com/
Thank you. I re-read the Nightingale Pledge/Oath and Code of Ethics for nurses(Indiana) and it states what you just stated. My question: if I am questioning the safety of this drug why are the prescribers(docs) NOT questioning it? When I was inpatient for the Coof(December 2021) the doc wanted to give me a monoclonal antibody and Remdesivir. I asked the name of the antibody and as she began to leave I said NO to Remdesivir. She was not going to do any "informed consent".
How did you stay an RN and remain unvaxxed? My friends daughter was forced to resign to avoid the vax.
Hello. I applied and recd a religious exemption even though I had applied in the past for an exemption for the flu vax. When I applied this time one of the questions was: have you recd a vax in the past, if so, what changed? My response: I had applied for an exemption in the past which you had denied; what changed was that I didn’t realize you had violated my rights as stated in the Civil Rights Act and set forth in the Indiana State Constitution!
Thats great to hear! I wish I could help with legal advice but I wish you the best
I know several nurses unvaccinated. They got religious exemption.
you might like this
https://greatawakening.win/p/16Zr14XATo/fyi-just-putting-this-out-there-/
I don't know the specific legal position you should take, but my instinct is to fight fire with fire.
Gather together any evidence you have that shows the lack of efficacy and/or safety of those things you might be told to do.
Then, if you are told to do them, write a letter to (a) the doctor(s) telling you to do this, and (b) the hospital administrators who are responsible for telling the doctor(s) to do this. In the letter, I would remind them that coercion is a felony under law.
Coercion is generally defined as:
Use the info you gathered to show them that THEY are in the wrong on these issues.
At least, you will put the scare into them that you might sue them, and if they fire you or take any negative action against you, you have a stronger basis to sue. After all, you put them on notice, in writing, and they did it anyway. Shows willfull violation of your rights, not a mere "fire for cause" case.
You could also state in your letter that coercion is a tort, under law, and that the hospital's legal liabilty protection and insurance does NOT cover tortuous acts, which are crimes (felony in this case). That might or might not hold up in court, but you can be damn sure they WILL be running it by the legal department and will most likely treat you with kid gloves from that point forward -- unless they are stupid, which is also possible, but which puts you into a much stronger legal position post-firing.
It's not exactly the same but my mother had to go through something like this several years ago when the clinic she works at started to really push the gender ideology. They held classes for all of the workers to teach them about all the new gender pronouns and "inclusive language" they had to use. If not, you would be fired. They also taught all the nurses how to administer hormone shots and pills. This is where my mom absolutely drew the line. She didn't care about repeating the dumb pronouns but actually giving her patients something she knew was harmful and going directly against what God created them as from the start was too far. She requested to opt out of administering any of those drugs to her patients. Surprisingly her bosses and higher ups allowed it because she explicitly told them she didn't believe in using or administering those drugs, for moral and religious reasons.
I'm not sure if it's possible in your situation, but the best thing you can do is go to your bosses and ask to opt out of administering Remdesivir and the vax. If they ask for a reason why tell them it goes against your moral conscience. If they don't accept that then tell them it is for religious beliefs and reasons. They're more likely to let that slide, though it's not always the case. I wish you luck!
It's a good question. What does your employment contract say? Most people never read it. Have you ever read it? It may provide you your answer. What does it say about religious beliefs or conscientious objections.
I'm not sure about Front Line Doctors. Recently someone posted a compelling expose about Dr. Simone Gold. It may be better to contact Dr. Peter McCollough at the Wellness Company or Attorney Thomas Renz recently released some stunning information about Remdesivir.
Tewdryg, love all of these statistics…not the percentages themselves, but the fact you have sent them to me. I have a lot of reading to do on Renz & McCullough’s sites in addition to the collection of articles I already have. I have to say it really warms my heart to have found this site, to be more aware(awake), to be continually educated/informed, and to feel less alone and supported…even though we are still strangers to each other. I feel blessed!
Thanks, I'm here to help. I believe many of us here are. I forgot to provide you one other source.... This is perhaps the best source for legal representation. It is Liberty Counsel. I contacted them for my wife's sake. Her company was coercing their employees by a policy change directive to be jabbed. Fortunately in the end, her religious declaration was honored....so far.
If you have any other questions or need assistance, please ask and I'll do my best to respond. This includes sample legal letters supporting your religious beliefs and rights.
I would say transferring to the Surgery Dept might save u from having to deal with this at all, but many other factors are involved when a nurse works in surgery, such as living distance from hospital.
You need to talk to a lawyer.
You know what is within your scope of practice. So, if you think a drug is the wrong treatment that may harm a patient, you talk to the ordering physician about it and make your case.
If he still thinks it's the right call and you still disagree, you have a chain of command to use. Ultimately, you're going to potentially burn bridges depending on how far you take this.
If you refuse under any circumstances, expect that your manager is going to have to intervene and you may be written up -> terminated for it.
Do you have malpractice insurance to cover you if you relent and give the drug, and end up getting sued months later? Just as a practical bit of advice, I think every licensed healthcare worker should carry malpractice insurance.
Refusal to give care may also end up being reported to your state's licensing board resulting in strikes on your license or revocation depending on how the board adjudicates it.
Ultimately, you really need to talk to a lawyer and you need to talk to someone intimately familiar with 1) your state's laws, 2) your particular nursing contract and specific rights and responsibilities you have at your place of work. Breach of contract can still get you fired. Be aware that fighting this fight will certainly lead to consequences, the very least of which is establishing for yourself a reputation which will follow you to other jobs. If you haven't already, start documenting every step you take here. If you're really a nurse, you already know why =)
I cannot believe they are still giving remdesivir that is fuckin bonkers.
Ok. Here’s a nice ‘cheat sheet’ for you on therapeutics. <C19early.org>
I was hospitalized in 2021 for "covid" pneumonia. I was in bad shape, low o2/seeing stars. They administered remdisvir. I was in hospital for 10 days. Went home on O2. Week later I blew a lung in acoughing fit. ×2 pneumothorax procedures when 1st gage tube used was too small and the surface anesthetic did nothing for me. Secondary scar from flinching as the scalpel opened me during procedure. Is there connection between remdisvir and my lung going out like that? I was in really good shape before going down too. 6 miles every other night on the exercise bike. Still trying to work back up to that. Very pissed at the effers who created this.
It’s difficult to say whether or not Remdesivir contributed to the pneumo. Were you given steroids as well(dexamethasone)? Were you given any antibiotics for the pneumonia? My observation has been that Remdesivir harshly affects the kidneys/liver which causes inability to filter the blood/body leading to organ problems (simplifying). I have heard that some facilities were withholding antibiotics from patients after they got pneumonia as a secondary condition related to the Coof(or whatever it truly is). I cannot attest to this personally but after the CDC protocols were issued it was as if doctors lost the ability to treat/think critically/independently. I am very sorry you had to experience this. Do you believe you are suffering from Long Haul or the pneumo & chest tube placements?
I don't think I'm long hauling. I do think I have a lot of lung scar tissue from the ordeal. I get winded a little easier but building back up with exercise. I'll have to check my records on what all they gave me. I did get a feeling that the staff at this hospital was sincerely trying to help me and they didnt have me on remdisvir as long as was normal for the rest of the country. Not experiencing organ issues that I'm aware of yet and this was all in 2021 so... hoping im in the clear there. Was just curious about remdisvir/lung collapse relation. I am quite sure there was a steroid involved but I dont recall it's name off the top of my head.
Code, I am glad you are progressing forward. I hope I didn't give the wrong perception by starting this thread...I do believe that most people in the medical field(at the bedside) are sincerely trying to help patients. But the longer that this "situation" (manufactured pandemic) go on the more observations I make about the medical field in general...my observation was in healthy individuals with a serious case of Covid after given Remdesivir was their kidney function would take a hit and continue in an unhealthy progression and without discernible positive improvement of the Covid infection itself. This was not a scientific study...only my observation which sent me on a mission to research it. I found studies with conflicting outcomes, but based on my personal observations of caring for these individuals led me to lean towards "this medication's benefits do NOT outweigh its risks!
Your insight is appreciated. Keep up the good work.
Front line doctors addresses this in their website I think. Check them out.
Free
https://t.me/mask_law_society
This has some resources, but they seem to be pushing for paid memberships
https://thezunga.com/
I wish I could help with any info, but I just wanted to say God Bless You for caring enough to refuse to administer what you know is dangerous.
I'm saying prayers for a positive outcome for you.
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You are in a difficult position. All I can offer is my love, respect, and prayers.