Trump has not “fled” from justice. He moved States. So this clause of the Constitution is not applicable. DeSantis could decline to extradite in this situation.
DeSantis cannot constitutionally be on the same ticket as Trump. POTUS and VP cannot be residents of the same state.
You are incorrect. There is nothing that stops the President and Vice President from being from the same state. This is a common misconception.
The Constitution states:
“ The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; ”
The restriction is that no elector can vote for a President and Vice President that are both from the same state as the elector. That means a Florida electoral college delegate could not vote for Trump for President and DeSantis for Vice President. Electors from all other states could vote for both of them.
The danger would be that Trump could win Florida for President but DeSantis would not win Florida for Vice President. Election coverage and procedures currently hide the fact that President and Vice President are elected independently, not as a pair.
The danger could be that Florida’s electoral votes are gone because they might vote for the VP and not Trump as well. It is a gamble you don’t take in rigged election times. In essence, you can be from the same state if you don’t care about losing electoral votes for at least one of you. I can’t think of a single state that has so few electoral votes that its a gamble worth taking.
There is no way that yes electoral delegates would choose to vote for the VP over the POTUS in that situation. Is that a theoretical possibility? Yes. Is it remotely realistic? No.
Either way, my point was that the statement “DeSantis cannot constitutionally be on the same ticket as Trump.” Is simply not true and a misunderstanding of the Constitution. I believe it is important to not spread misinformation about the Constitution, intentionally or otherwise.
Well that strange 12th Amendment can be worked around. Lest we forget George Bush 43 and Dick Cheney were both Texas residents 1993-1998 per IRS records / public docs.
All of a sudden Dick Cheney re-declared Wyoming residency in a small vacation / hunting home.
And TBH there is ZERO, perhaps LESS THAN ZERO (great B.E. Ellis book BTW) chance DeSantis would take a VP role. He is Alpha // Sigma. He is the future of the GOP FWIW... and he knows it.. and he leans into it every opportunity. He is 2006 Obama. Everyone in their heart of hearts knows - that either 2024 (maybe too early?) or 2028 DeSantis will be 1600 Penn bound.
Well, that might be his plan, but wait until DeSantis allows Trump to be arrested in Florida and extradited to NY (the state's Governor has to approve extradition to another state - if Trump doesn't turn himself in willingly). If DeRINO were to do that, he'll be spit on in the streets of Florida by residents and probably impeached.
But even if that doesn't occur, just wait until the MAGA movement - as a whole - finds out that DeJudas is in Knights of Malta and he's even higher than Skull & Bones in a Secret Society called Saint Elmos.
RD was also the JAG officer who DEFENDED the Afghanistan Taliban and he also led torture programs (reportedly with enjoyment) at Guantanamo Bay, much like what's been reported about what CIA wench Gina Haspel did in the UK.
Here's Santilli's own (free) website too (he may have posted some of this info there as well - but I haven't gone digging to find exact links): https://petersantilli.com/
I have for a long time had a gut feeling that he was not a good person. There was just something there I couldn’t shake. I didn’t know any of this! It is always wise to listen to your gut!
Yeah, always listen to your gut. I remember thinking on election night 2022, "Wow, the ONLY remotely conservative Governor the cabal LET win was DeSantis. Now why IS that?!?" We know why. :-(
In theory, yes. NY makes extradition request to WI gov, Trump gets arrested and extradited from his campaign event there. However, they’d have to get past secret service. No idea if they’d prevent that sorta bs from happening.
He's got a huge future because most don't pay attention like you do
Surface level, he's the left's worse nightmare and has done a great job in Florida as governor, plus the media seems to be hesitant to completely eviscerate him (wonder why) so he avoids much of the negative press that Trump gets
This doesn't make sense to me. If I assault someone in NYC and then run home to another state, I can't be arrested for it at home unless the Governor of my state approves?
When a suspect commits a crime in one state (e.g., New York) and then flees to another state (e.g., Florida), law enforcement agencies in the two states typically collaborate to apprehend the suspect. This process is called extradition, which is a legal mechanism used to transfer a fugitive from one jurisdiction to another.
Here's a general overview of how the process works:
Issuing a warrant: When a crime is committed in New York, and the suspect flees to Florida, New York law enforcement will obtain an arrest warrant. This warrant will be entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, which is accessible by law enforcement agencies across the United States.
Identifying and locating the suspect: If the suspect is identified and located in Florida, local law enforcement will typically arrest the suspect based on the New York arrest warrant. This can happen during a routine traffic stop, a background check, or as a result of a coordinated law enforcement effort.
Extradition process: After the arrest, New York will request Florida to extradite the suspect. This typically involves a formal request from the governor of the state where the crime was committed (New York) to the governor of the state where the suspect was found (Florida). The request may include documentation such as the arrest warrant, charging documents, and affidavits supporting probable cause.
Legal proceedings in Florida: The suspect has the right to an extradition hearing in Florida. During this hearing, a judge will determine if the extradition request is valid and if the suspect is the person named in the warrant. The suspect cannot contest the charges against them during this hearing; its purpose is only to establish the legality of the extradition.
Transfer of custody: If the judge approves the extradition, arrangements will be made to transfer the suspect from Florida to New York. New York law enforcement officers will usually travel to Florida to take custody of the suspect and transport them back to New York to face charges.
In the unlikely event that Florida refuses to make the arrest or cooperate with the extradition process, it may create tension between the two states. However, this is rare, as states generally work together to enforce the law and apprehend fugitives. In such situations, federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI can intervene and assist with the arrest and extradition process, as they have jurisdiction across state lines.
It's important to note that extradition laws and procedures can vary between states, and the process may be influenced by specific state laws, the nature of the crime, and interstate agreements.
And if it is, if DeSantis refuses to extradite Trump, he is easily accused of all kinds of stuff, like obstruction of "justice," aiding and abetting a "criminal" etc. So it's not this simple even if it is correct.
Trump is a Florida resident and not on the run. I don't see how extradition would work here. Perhaps a warrant for arrest, but not extradition...unless I am missing something.
Don’t forget as the law in Florida stands now, DeSantis would have to step down as governor to run for President. I don’t think he is that stupid. DeSantis knows he can’t beat Trump. The RNC vote was the proof.
In a 1987 case, Puerto Rico v. Branstad,[3] the court overruled Dennison, and held that the governor of the asylum state has no discretion in performing his or her duty to extradite, whether that duty arises under the Extradition Clause of the Constitution or under the Extradition Act (18 U.S.C. § 3182), and that a federal court may enforce the governor's duty to return the fugitive to the demanding state.[4] There are only four grounds upon which the governor of the asylum state may deny another state's request for extradition:[5]
the extradition documents facially are not in order;
the person has not been charged with a crime in the demanding state;
the person is not the person named in the extradition documents; or
the person is not a fugitive.
Interesting. GPT says: In your scenario, if you are charged with a minor crime in New York, and the governor of Florida refuses to extradite you, it is important to understand that the governor's refusal to extradite should be based on one of the four grounds established in the Puerto Rico v. Branstad decision. Otherwise, the refusal could be challenged in federal court.
If the Florida governor's refusal to extradite is valid under one of the four grounds, you would not be considered a fugitive in Florida. However, the charges in New York would still be outstanding. If you were to travel to New York or another state that agrees to extradite you to New York, you could still face arrest and prosecution for the charges.
And since Trump is not a fugitive, the fourth ground for denial of extradition would be valid.
For reference - 18 USC 921 defines fugitive as “any person who has fled from any State to avoid prosecution for a crime or avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding.” Since Trump is currently in Florida and will not have fled NY to avoid prosecution, he is not a fugitive. There may be an arrest warrant in another state for him, but that doesn’t mean he is arrested here nor is he a fugitive.
This is how the deep state always wins power, they are capitalizing on an opportunity to make Desantis do one of two things: WIN and extradite his political opponent for an easy win at presidency (and lose his patriot fans) or LOSE and not extradite him and lose the presidency (doing the right thing). The deep state are so evil.
This is not really the way it works. State extradition laws are regulated federally for any crime above a misdemeanor. DeSantis doesn't have to sign anything, it's automatically processed at the fed level. The governor can step in and stop it, but it would have to be for a really good reason and they put themselves at risk for doing so. A governor hasn't done that since the 60s when one of them stopped the prosecution of a draft dodger. Guess who the draft dodger was for extra points.
There is no restriction against VP and POTUS being from the same state.
There is a restriction against electors (electoral college delegates) voting for a POTUS and VP that are both from the same state as the elector.
Technically POTUS and VP are elected independently from each other. In practice the electors always vote for the pair of running mates - but there are actually two separate ballots.
What it would mean would be that Trump could win Florida for POTUS but DeSantis could not win for VP ( or vice versa). Florida would be the only state impacted this way. Theoretically it could lead to Trump winning POTUS and the dem VP pick winning VP.
Well, there is a consideration related to the Electoral College that has led to the convention of choosing a running mate from a different state:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which outlines the original procedure for electing the President and Vice President. The Twelfth Amendment, ratified in 1804, modified this procedure but retained the rule that electors (members of the Electoral College) cannot vote for both a President and a Vice President from their own state:
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves."
So, that's where this comes from. The provision was designed to prevent electors from voting exclusively for candidates from their own state, which could lead to regionalism and weaken the unity of the country. In practice, this means that if the President and Vice President were both from the same state, the electors of that state would not be able to vote for both of them. This could potentially disadvantage the candidates in the electoral process.
Anyway, to avoid this issue presidential candidates typically choose a running mate from a different state. However, there is no explicit constitutional prohibition against the President and Vice President being residents of the same state.
I dont think Trump is the type to hide out. Lol
Right? He'd be the man standing on the state line and dipping his toe over it, just daring someone to come get him.
He’d even reach over an pick a Poppy if they grew there! Kek Kek! (It’s a Cali joke just in case ya don’t get it haha ;). )
I'd even go so far as to say that he'd use a plastic straw!
He walked over to visit little rocket man...this is a cake walk...
1- DJT Lawyer Joey Tacopina said on CNBC he won't hide:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/17/trump-will-surrender-to-face-charges-if-indicted-defense-lawyer-says.html
2 - DeSantis can only delay briefly with tactics but has no real authority either way.
https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-stop-trump-indictment-extradite-florida-new-york-2023-3
Trump has not “fled” from justice. He moved States. So this clause of the Constitution is not applicable. DeSantis could decline to extradite in this situation.
DeSantis cannot constitutionally be on the same ticket as Trump. POTUS and VP cannot be residents of the same state.
You are incorrect. There is nothing that stops the President and Vice President from being from the same state. This is a common misconception.
The Constitution states: “ The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; ”
The restriction is that no elector can vote for a President and Vice President that are both from the same state as the elector. That means a Florida electoral college delegate could not vote for Trump for President and DeSantis for Vice President. Electors from all other states could vote for both of them.
The danger would be that Trump could win Florida for President but DeSantis would not win Florida for Vice President. Election coverage and procedures currently hide the fact that President and Vice President are elected independently, not as a pair.
The danger could be that Florida’s electoral votes are gone because they might vote for the VP and not Trump as well. It is a gamble you don’t take in rigged election times. In essence, you can be from the same state if you don’t care about losing electoral votes for at least one of you. I can’t think of a single state that has so few electoral votes that its a gamble worth taking.
There is no way that yes electoral delegates would choose to vote for the VP over the POTUS in that situation. Is that a theoretical possibility? Yes. Is it remotely realistic? No.
Either way, my point was that the statement “DeSantis cannot constitutionally be on the same ticket as Trump.” Is simply not true and a misunderstanding of the Constitution. I believe it is important to not spread misinformation about the Constitution, intentionally or otherwise.
Would Kamala suck up to the Maga king? In a fair election, Trump wins 80%+ of electoral votes
Well that strange 12th Amendment can be worked around. Lest we forget George Bush 43 and Dick Cheney were both Texas residents 1993-1998 per IRS records / public docs.
All of a sudden Dick Cheney re-declared Wyoming residency in a small vacation / hunting home.
Courts actually had to clear : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-rules-cheneys-no-texan/
And TBH there is ZERO, perhaps LESS THAN ZERO (great B.E. Ellis book BTW) chance DeSantis would take a VP role. He is Alpha // Sigma. He is the future of the GOP FWIW... and he knows it.. and he leans into it every opportunity. He is 2006 Obama. Everyone in their heart of hearts knows - that either 2024 (maybe too early?) or 2028 DeSantis will be 1600 Penn bound.
Well, that might be his plan, but wait until DeSantis allows Trump to be arrested in Florida and extradited to NY (the state's Governor has to approve extradition to another state - if Trump doesn't turn himself in willingly). If DeRINO were to do that, he'll be spit on in the streets of Florida by residents and probably impeached.
But even if that doesn't occur, just wait until the MAGA movement - as a whole - finds out that DeJudas is in Knights of Malta and he's even higher than Skull & Bones in a Secret Society called Saint Elmos.
RD was also the JAG officer who DEFENDED the Afghanistan Taliban and he also led torture programs (reportedly with enjoyment) at Guantanamo Bay, much like what's been reported about what CIA wench Gina Haspel did in the UK.
Here's some reference info:
Pete Santilli interview this week with David Nino Rodriguez - Santilli goes into great detail about his research on DeSantis. Video is posted on Nino's subscription site: NinosCorner.TV ($5/mo.): https://watch.ninoscorner.tv/program-group/39937049592742dd72082b4689313578/program/be8a23c9fb495f814952f8f6dc8850a9
"Ron DeSantis is a Knight of Malta" - article by Peter Santilli: https://petersantilli.com/?p=6494
"Ron DeSantis is a Knight of Malta" - article by Peter Santilli: https://petersantilli.com/?p=6494
Ron DeSantis is in secret society "St. Elmos Hall": https://majorkalhoun.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-and-st-elmo-secret-society & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvZ3EzFXAk
Here's Santilli's own (free) website too (he may have posted some of this info there as well - but I haven't gone digging to find exact links): https://petersantilli.com/
Pete Santilli's channel on Rumble: https://rumble.com/ThePeteSantilliShow
https://tripod.domains.trincoll.edu/opinion/inside-ron-desantis-hidden-past-at-guantanamo-bay/
https://mronline.org/2022/11/26/i-was-screaming-and-he-was-smiling-desantis-ran-guantanamo-torture/
https://www.floridabulldog.org/2023/01/ron-desantis-accused-torture-at-guantanamo-when-he-was-navy-jag/
I have for a long time had a gut feeling that he was not a good person. There was just something there I couldn’t shake. I didn’t know any of this! It is always wise to listen to your gut!
Yeah, always listen to your gut. I remember thinking on election night 2022, "Wow, the ONLY remotely conservative Governor the cabal LET win was DeSantis. Now why IS that?!?" We know why. :-(
Exactly!
What about when he is campaigning in other states? Could some shit dick Governor go after him outside of Florida?
In theory, yes. NY makes extradition request to WI gov, Trump gets arrested and extradited from his campaign event there. However, they’d have to get past secret service. No idea if they’d prevent that sorta bs from happening.
Avoiding NY is something I do with ease
Trump doesn't even need things to be easy
He just does stuff
To be honest, at this point its a bit too much for me to speculate so I'm going to watch the movie unfolds.
I'm not seeing a future past governor for DeSantis. Very questionable decisions over his career as a politician.
He's got a huge future because most don't pay attention like you do
Surface level, he's the left's worse nightmare and has done a great job in Florida as governor, plus the media seems to be hesitant to completely eviscerate him (wonder why) so he avoids much of the negative press that Trump gets
We're still dealing with normies here
He is funded by Bush family. DeSantis is as rino as they come. Dont be fooled.
I'm not fooled, but normies are easily fooled, which was my point
Jeb!
I don't think he should have visited the wailing wall
This doesn't make sense to me. If I assault someone in NYC and then run home to another state, I can't be arrested for it at home unless the Governor of my state approves?
According to GPT . . .
When a suspect commits a crime in one state (e.g., New York) and then flees to another state (e.g., Florida), law enforcement agencies in the two states typically collaborate to apprehend the suspect. This process is called extradition, which is a legal mechanism used to transfer a fugitive from one jurisdiction to another.
Here's a general overview of how the process works:
Issuing a warrant: When a crime is committed in New York, and the suspect flees to Florida, New York law enforcement will obtain an arrest warrant. This warrant will be entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, which is accessible by law enforcement agencies across the United States.
Identifying and locating the suspect: If the suspect is identified and located in Florida, local law enforcement will typically arrest the suspect based on the New York arrest warrant. This can happen during a routine traffic stop, a background check, or as a result of a coordinated law enforcement effort.
Extradition process: After the arrest, New York will request Florida to extradite the suspect. This typically involves a formal request from the governor of the state where the crime was committed (New York) to the governor of the state where the suspect was found (Florida). The request may include documentation such as the arrest warrant, charging documents, and affidavits supporting probable cause.
Legal proceedings in Florida: The suspect has the right to an extradition hearing in Florida. During this hearing, a judge will determine if the extradition request is valid and if the suspect is the person named in the warrant. The suspect cannot contest the charges against them during this hearing; its purpose is only to establish the legality of the extradition.
Transfer of custody: If the judge approves the extradition, arrangements will be made to transfer the suspect from Florida to New York. New York law enforcement officers will usually travel to Florida to take custody of the suspect and transport them back to New York to face charges.
In the unlikely event that Florida refuses to make the arrest or cooperate with the extradition process, it may create tension between the two states. However, this is rare, as states generally work together to enforce the law and apprehend fugitives. In such situations, federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI can intervene and assist with the arrest and extradition process, as they have jurisdiction across state lines.
It's important to note that extradition laws and procedures can vary between states, and the process may be influenced by specific state laws, the nature of the crime, and interstate agreements.
Damn, thanks Qanaut. Nice summary. It's good to learn more about our legal processes that I'm happy not to have personal interaction with. God bless!
Except DJT didn't flee. He lives in Florida.
The governor has to approve extradition on certain warrants.
Agree.
Jurisdiction. City cops have jurisdiction in their city. County, state, etc all have a jurisdiction.
It's just impossible to take a post seriously from someone who purports to be a prick's prick.
My respect for DeSantis wanes by the hour.
I feel sorry for Floridians if he turns out to be a sleeper, which I'm beginning to suspect he is.
Well, if DeSantis truly is a sleeper that's gonna suck super hard and reduce trust in good candidates moving forward.
..So naturally that's a good plan for their side.
So far as I know, only MTG and Chip Roy have come out strong in defense of DJT so far.
We should be keeping a list of these supporters.
Careful with Roy, he endorsed DeSantis over Trump.
Is that better or worse than a pricks bottom?
I'm not so sure this is true.
And if it is, if DeSantis refuses to extradite Trump, he is easily accused of all kinds of stuff, like obstruction of "justice," aiding and abetting a "criminal" etc. So it's not this simple even if it is correct.
Trump is a Florida resident and not on the run. I don't see how extradition would work here. Perhaps a warrant for arrest, but not extradition...unless I am missing something.
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-procedure/extradition-law---state-to-state-extradition-process.html
Exactly. Not worth it, especially considering the weak case the DA has
Remember when SDNY sent USPIS out of state to grab Steve Bannon and Brian Kolfage?
What was that, exactly?
We are past these meaningless games. I am seriously bored with the whole RINO shtick. I despise desanctis. He's a filthy deep state plant.
Where is Trump right now? Isn’t he supposed to be in Waco soon?
Tulsa OK https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11876481/Ding-ding-ding-Donald-Trump-seen-time-claiming-arrested-Tuesday.html
Waco rally scheduled for March 25
Nope. I don’t like DeSantis. There’s something bad about him. I just haven’t put my finger on it yet.
Agree!
Is it possible to be worse than Pence?
What happens to this theory when he turns himself in?
Don’t forget as the law in Florida stands now, DeSantis would have to step down as governor to run for President. I don’t think he is that stupid. DeSantis knows he can’t beat Trump. The RNC vote was the proof.
Is New York just desperate for billionaire money?
I love all the theories. It's great to see the thoughts going into this next week.
Right? Seventy two hour rule.
He's going to travel a lot. He's not staying in Florida.
My goodness, you can see the hand of God in these events, so clearly, you can almost count the ridges in His fingerprints.
In a 1987 case, Puerto Rico v. Branstad,[3] the court overruled Dennison, and held that the governor of the asylum state has no discretion in performing his or her duty to extradite, whether that duty arises under the Extradition Clause of the Constitution or under the Extradition Act (18 U.S.C. § 3182), and that a federal court may enforce the governor's duty to return the fugitive to the demanding state.[4] There are only four grounds upon which the governor of the asylum state may deny another state's request for extradition:[5]
Interesting. GPT says: In your scenario, if you are charged with a minor crime in New York, and the governor of Florida refuses to extradite you, it is important to understand that the governor's refusal to extradite should be based on one of the four grounds established in the Puerto Rico v. Branstad decision. Otherwise, the refusal could be challenged in federal court.
If the Florida governor's refusal to extradite is valid under one of the four grounds, you would not be considered a fugitive in Florida. However, the charges in New York would still be outstanding. If you were to travel to New York or another state that agrees to extradite you to New York, you could still face arrest and prosecution for the charges.
And since Trump is not a fugitive, the fourth ground for denial of extradition would be valid.
For reference - 18 USC 921 defines fugitive as “any person who has fled from any State to avoid prosecution for a crime or avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding.” Since Trump is currently in Florida and will not have fled NY to avoid prosecution, he is not a fugitive. There may be an arrest warrant in another state for him, but that doesn’t mean he is arrested here nor is he a fugitive.
This is how the deep state always wins power, they are capitalizing on an opportunity to make Desantis do one of two things: WIN and extradite his political opponent for an easy win at presidency (and lose his patriot fans) or LOSE and not extradite him and lose the presidency (doing the right thing). The deep state are so evil.
Maybe the unprecedented arrest of an ex-President is to set a precedent.
This is not really the way it works. State extradition laws are regulated federally for any crime above a misdemeanor. DeSantis doesn't have to sign anything, it's automatically processed at the fed level. The governor can step in and stop it, but it would have to be for a really good reason and they put themselves at risk for doing so. A governor hasn't done that since the 60s when one of them stopped the prosecution of a draft dodger. Guess who the draft dodger was for extra points.
I'd buy that.
But then the Dems have endless ammo to say Trump's a criminal and MAGA are criminals protecting criminals etc. This is all madness.
Now's as good a time as any to remind everyone that DC runs on leverage, not loyalty. If this is true, DeSantis is guaranteed the VP candidate.
I love this movie
Trapped in the quick sand?
Why would desantis become 2024 nominee? Trump is maga.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but VP cannot be a resident of the same state as POTUS.
There is no restriction against VP and POTUS being from the same state.
There is a restriction against electors (electoral college delegates) voting for a POTUS and VP that are both from the same state as the elector.
Technically POTUS and VP are elected independently from each other. In practice the electors always vote for the pair of running mates - but there are actually two separate ballots.
What it would mean would be that Trump could win Florida for POTUS but DeSantis could not win for VP ( or vice versa). Florida would be the only state impacted this way. Theoretically it could lead to Trump winning POTUS and the dem VP pick winning VP.
Well, there is a consideration related to the Electoral College that has led to the convention of choosing a running mate from a different state:
So, that's where this comes from. The provision was designed to prevent electors from voting exclusively for candidates from their own state, which could lead to regionalism and weaken the unity of the country. In practice, this means that if the President and Vice President were both from the same state, the electors of that state would not be able to vote for both of them. This could potentially disadvantage the candidates in the electoral process.
Anyway, to avoid this issue presidential candidates typically choose a running mate from a different state. However, there is no explicit constitutional prohibition against the President and Vice President being residents of the same state.
Thank You!
by my part i think i know what would be best for DeSantis, but i don't know if he wil take that one, who knows whats in the dark.
Wrong
https://patriots.win/p/16aTedvGw4/no-desantis-does-not-have-the-po/c/
Yes, Trump as VP. I like it.
Uh no deshitface will not be a hero and instead maga will nominate him. That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard