For those that were following politics 20 years ago: If the crazy negative bias in the media (news, late night shows, Hollywood, etc) against Trump is a 97 out of 100... then what number would you give the treatment George W Bush received at the time?
I remember a lot of George W Bush jokes and hatred during the early part of this century, but I literally did not follow politics AT ALL until the day after the 2016 election when I started to look into it. ONE of the things that I found strange right off the bat was the over the top, nonsensical and hysterical hatred for our new president. It made me intuit, even before Q or anything else, that something weird was going on. But, some argue that Bush was treated the same way by the media (the legal system is another story). For those that paid attention, how different is this?
💯% When Bush was running I believed there were two sides and I had to choose one.
At the 2016 Republican National Convention no form republican presidents or republican nominees for president showed up for the RNC convention in Cleveland, Ohio. No Bushes, no no name, no Romney, other even the republican governor of Ohio, John Kasich, showed up to the Republican convention. I believe only Bob Dole showed up. He was a presidential nominee against Bill Clinton in the 90s. But that was it.
I was like, holy split! George Carlin said there was ONE BIG CLUB and Trump's not in it!
I knew at that moment that Trump would be the bull in the China shop that our country needed. DC is a China shop, they shop for politicians every day and own them.
Trump disrupted it all, and this is the major reason the global corporate media has been going ape split ever since. Going on 8 years!
When Trump is back, he will destroy them all. And we're going to help.
u/#wwg1wga
I always thought Dole was a decent man. Boring, and lower energy for sure. But not (as?) evil as the Bushes, Clintons, NoName etc.
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The intelligence agencies have run our country for a very long time. At least since JFK said he would dismantle the CIA. The CIA said, we'll show you.
George H.W. Bush was a CIA director.
The Patriot Act, allowing the intelligence agencies to Spy on Americans, was passed under George W. Bush's watch in the fall out of the faked 9-11.
Dole exemplified the adage, "All that evil needs to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." It would be like voting for an armchair. I can't remember if I even voted in that election.
So your voting decision is based on how entertaining the candidate is/was?
You can ask that question of someone else and get an answer. No candidate was "entertaining." Dole was going to be a do-nothing, just like an armchair. To borrow a phrase used often around here, "expand your mind."
I am not the fuckwit who votes for the most entertaining candidate, that's you.
That's absurd. I guess you can't tell the difference between someone who is effective and someone who is ineffective. Plus, I never vote for Democrats and never have. So much for your accurate view of the world. Or do you have a secret admiration for Bob Dole? Let us know. Explain it if you can.
I respected the fact that when he ran for POTUS, he stepped down from his position in the Senate as the majority leader. Lot of power in that role He didn't keep it as, a backup. I also remember reading at the time that the majority of Congress preferred him over Clinton because he did command respect, but they had to toe the party line.
Here are some links that changed my mind. Chinese lobbyist, nice article from a Chinese paper, and his wife was a president of the Red Cross.
https://www.axios.com/2020/05/13/bob-dole-registers-lobbyist-chinese-chemical-company https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3158846/bob-doles-long-influence-washingtons-china-policy-remembered https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/1999-02-07/thanks-to-elizabeth-dole-the-red-cross-is-in-the-pink
Wait. Is he related to the Dole fruit company?
They are master game players who control both sides. That's how they were able to fool the world for so long.
Most of us were still in our R versus D slumber. We were questioning why the Rs never DID anything, but we knew they were better than Ds, because Fox News said so.
Damn, a lot has changed since then. Now we all understand WHY the Rs never did a damn thing, and why most of them today still do nothing. They are the same as the Ds.
Bush was (and is) uniparty. He was issued (and took) enough abuse to facilitate the desired narrative. With Trump, the pure, unadulterated hatred is real and palpable. He infuriated them to the point that they showed their asses, and showed their contempt and desire to transform this country into a third world cesspool.
This. There was Bush Derangement Syndrome before there was TDS. In my view it was all a dry run/psyop to beta test the methods to be used if a real patriot ever got elected.
My contempt for the Bushes knows no bounds - he is in the same league as the Clintons and the Obamas. With that said, he LARPed successfully as a conservative for eight years. Very easy to fool us at that time because we had no basis for comparison.
I think the person who posted would agree with you that there were very good reasons to hate Bush, it’s just that most normies got steered into the controlled opposition version of Bush criticism which was more like impotent whining and not doing something like questioning 9/11. A certain controllable group was born. Many people never got over this phase.. basically they don’t like Trump or bush for being “ republican and Christian “ and they blind themselves to the fact that Trump and gwb are completely opposed
Before 2016 the plot was skillfully hidden. Things were not as they seemed. Only one side of the story was told to the extent the uni-party was invisible.
They were always demonizing the right in their effort to usher in global socialism. But that doesn’t mean that the right couldn’t win. In fact it could, and they played their part. As much as they mocked Bush, they never tried to impeach or frame him. He was just playing his part and laying down the track for the next guy.
Yep. It wasn't that Bush was a good conservative, but rather he was a symbol of conservative. They were attacking and ridiculing conservatism to astroturf that sentiment into the masses. And ol he haw dumbass Bush gave them all the ammo they needed
Kayfabe. It was all kayfabe
Bush is the Cabal!
He is the CIA plant of the Cabal. Some people believe the Bushes created the Clintons.
Drug running buddies during bill's Arkansas governor days.
You are correct!
If one were to look back. Most of our current history dates bag to Reagan/Bush and IC. Clinton was governor of AR while the drugs were flown out of Mena by Seal. It's why we got Bill after GHWB. The secret remained safe. Obama thru the Saudis jumped the line and replaced HRCs turn. IC was the cabals way of making money off the books. Jr ran a noninterventionist foreign policy. He should have been a good pres based on his platform. I think he was a useful idiot and to his father and tptb. I could get into the neocons and slick willy, Lewinsky mossad honeypot. Same neocons pull off 911 under gwb and bring us the patriot act etc. They rigged FL for GWB. With the hanging Chad's, Jeb as governor, and lawfare. Internet became available in most homes around 2000. Now its harder to hide misdeads. If you want to look at someone who the media screwed, and where digital vote fraud started, look no further than Ron Paul. I hope RP lives long enough to see them all go down! We missed out on RP. He faught the system for decades.
Very good analysis!!!
Yes. Bush had high approval ratings after 9/11 and got a lot of congressional support to go into Iraq.
I actually think his dad was close to the rothschilds:
Most of the people in that started the federal reserve was republicans I believe.
I’ve heard rumors that the Bushes are cryptojews and might even be Rothschilds. I don’t know about that, but I know they’re uniparty
I think Bush's role, which he embraced was to be so awful that US politics would be handed over to the dems to preside over the final destruction of America.
“Hatred” of W Bush by the media was justified, but likely intentionally allowed to be publicly over-the-top to keep the conservatives “on the plantation”. Left/Right fake divide is easy to maintain if you place an impassable crevice between. Also it was setup to herd the left over to Obama who ironically was created/controlled by the Bushes. Engineered variation of handoff from Bush Sr to Clinton in 1993. (Clinton was also created by/allied with Bushes).
Plus he really is a retard, but smarter than Jeb if you can believe it.
I will not bother to spit even for a Bush, but it is a mistake to rate GW Bush as a "retard." When he was in the Air National Guard, he flew an F-102, a delta-winged single-engine supersonic interceptor. Not for the mentally impaired or faint of heart, since the glide slope was not very good, the landing angle was high, and if the engine flamed out, you had seconds to figure out what to do next. (One of my managers was a former F-102 pilot.)
Calling him a retard is bad cause
Give the man his agency. Letting them get away with pretending to be stupid is part of how we got into this mess.
Good point about agency. I see too many of us denigrating our opposition, probably out of a desire to bolster our own "superiority." As though name-calling was effective against them.
I’ll give Bush BDS a 60/100 sometimes a 70/100. Libtards, like you said went full retard (you never go full retard) with Trump they and there’s no chance of walking it back.
Tropic Thunder enters the chat. 😂
The usual suspects, SNL, bill maher etc poked at him as you would expect, but it was softball. With GEOTUS, its prison rules, aka no rules.
The media/culture hated Bush and attacked him relentlessly. The major difference between the hate Bush got and Trump, is that Trump attacks and fights back. Bush just took it all laying down, which looking back on it was probably by design since they were all on the same side. Once Trump started fighting back in his announcement speech, while attacking NoName and illegal immigration, the media immediately became nonsensical and hysterical. From there it quickly morphed into visceral hatred and outright lies.
There was always pushback against and disdain for Bush. But it seemed like "normal" media liberal bias.
Once Trump came in, "the mask dropped." It felt to me like the media no longer even cared to "pretend" to be somewhat objective. They had unadulterated hatred for him and didn't care who knew it.
That's how it felt (and still feels) to me. And I've been paying attention a long time.
I think that is my main curiosity. I feel that the insane rhetoric involving Trump should be one of the main things that provoke someone to wake up. It just seems so weird and over the top and profoundly propagandist. But, people will say that Bush (or Reagan) were treated the same way and I don't know how wrong they are to feel that way. Or how different the environment right now feels to someone in their 50s or 60s who has been paying attention this whole time.
During his first campaign I figured out I didn't like him much, but I figured I would still vote for an R than a D (pretty much just like always).
What was funny though was my neighbor was a baby-car-driving pretentious a-hole lib. Total Beta male. (This was in Texas...) You know - the type that would always report people to an HOA if their grass was just a tad too high. He always had all the democrat signs in his yard so I went and got a Bush sign. He stole it that night. I got more signs, and put one in his yard and about 5 or 6 in mine.
He came out in the morning when I was getting ready to leave for work and started freaking out and screaming at me. That is, until I told him I had him on my camera stealing my sign and that I could call the police and ask them to charge him for petty theft and trespassing.
That night I took all the rest of my signs down but left one up just to piss him off. It was worth it since that was a rent house I was in for only about a year before I could buy the house I wanted.
BDS was definitely around back then, but it may have just been because of the media projecting to all the weak-minded libs.
Bush was treated that way as part of the deep state show.
Reagan, and both Bushes, got heavy doses of unjustified media abuse. Reagan was much better than either Bush at fighting back, giving rallies and using personal charisma. But if you only read newspapers and watched TV news you'd hate them all.
They kicked it up a few notches with Trump. And the media environment and tools are different now, so it's not a straight comparison, but they definitely went harder and more transparently so, with Trump.
At some point somebody will do a side-by-side study of how the Rodney King riots compare to the George Floyd riots, as both were inflamed by the media. Each was designed to get a Republican president to surrender. I think the biggest difference is that the organization behind it was exposed quickly with the Floyd riots.
GWB admin and 911 is what woke me up initially to deep political corruption and fuckery and cemented me firmly into the left for quite awhile. Took me a little bit to see how both “sides” play the status quo limited hangout game.
Not ever being a CNN or such watcher, not sure how the media treated him. It was, however, clear that something was influencing a large part of the dem population to hatred. It was the first time I remember bumper stickers appearing with presidential vitriol (Bush, superimposed with Satan).
At the time, I was Libertarian identified so not a huge Bush fan. The loss of general decorum regarding the office of president by the general population struck me. It was the beginning of the pushed division.
They said things about Bush in public but he was one of the old boys anywhere he went, handshakes and smiles all over. Remember, Bush is a Skull and Bones kid so he’s got buddies all over the political spectrum.
But good question though, it’s worth asking for sure.
There was a lot of hatred towards Bush. The media non stopped attacked him. There wasn't a relentless hatred as they did for Trump.
Trump was a media darling prior to running. He was well liked by the celebrities.
Once he ran the about face of the celebrities was telling.
The number I would give George W. Bush was 98 out of 100. Outside of FOX News, the media hated him primarily because he benefited from two stolen elections.
As President, Bush 43 basically managed to act as the dumb dunce while making decisions that really weren't for the best for America. There was a 20 month period between 9/11 and May 2003 where Bush 43 was respected. Heck, the Republicans gained seats in the 2002 midterm elections. It certainly helped that the Democrats held a memorial for Senator Paul Wellstone (he died in a plane crash) right before the election, but turned it into a Bush bashing event.
Since Bush was dumb, it was easy to write comedy based on him. My favorite segment was from the Late Show with David Letterman. The show had a almost nightly feature called "Great Moments in Presidential Speeches." It would feature two moments from past Presidents such as FDR, JFK, or Reagan and then Bush 43 saying or doing something silly.
When Bush was getting criticized it was like “now that we’ve all gone along with his war based on false pretexts, let’s buy some spiky bracelets and be “punk / counterculture just a bit to blow off some steam”
It wasn’t like they were obstructing GWB at all.
They also sort of played into the excuses like “he’s just a dumb country boy and Cheney is the real mastermind anyways”
The whole bush family is evil incarnate. Whatever came at him was legit. The scale and scope of hate and fakery aimed at Trump is WAY more than ever went at Bush.
If you look back, you can see that the RNC has always done whatever was necessary to block outsiders. They did everything that they could to stop both Ross Perot and Ron Paul who were both unexpected challengers with a great deal of support from the everyday man. If Ross hadn't been in the race Bush Sr would likely have beaten Clinton and won his second term. With Ron Paul, the RNC went so far as to change the primary rules mid flight to keep him off of the ballot. Since then, the DNC has shown that they're more than happy to do the same as they manipulated their system to eliminate the threat of Berni Sanders.
I also think Ross Perot would have won the Presidency had the 1992 election been fair.
Politics back then were 100% camp mindset. You had two options at all times and that was all you got. You had to pick the "winner" of you side or you were for helping the other side. Many of us were asleep then in this cycle. Because so many were still asleep the propaganda was only needed to keep this game alive.
Now that many have awoken they needed to press overdrive on the propaganda to try and counter it. It has not worked luckily.
Bush was one of them so it was all a big joke, Trump is one of US so it's not a joke, it's real hate.
Communists always fight Socialists, but both sides want to steal all your property and sovereignty.
What’s the differentiator? No clue.
That was his role. Kabuki theater.
Wasn't Bush a coke head like Hunter? I seem to recall memes...
I don’t care about George W. Bush. He bombed WTC and started the war in Iraq that killed our soldiers and innocents.
It didn’t matter because we now know GHWB and GWB were part of the cabal and all was a facade.
In my opinion, back then, bush did not receive as much negative coverage in the media as Trump. However, back then it was Republican media and Republican Party against the Democrat media and the Democratic Party.
Today, with Trump, I think he receives much more negative coverage than any past president ever did. However, now, it is both Republican and Democrat media against Trump and BOTH parties against Trump. It has truly become Trump and the American people against the cabal establishment.
Have no fear though. NCSWIC.
Bush was there to define the “conservative resistance” — to lower the bar of expectations.
They criticized and made fun of him daily. But that was to set the standard for what to expect anytime a “conservative” takes office — so that it wouldn’t feel out of place should an outsider get elected.
Those of us who bashed Bush had a lot of good reasons to. #1 it was his Daddy who first used the term New World Order, it was his Daddy who was an important foundation for the CIA, it was his war mongering, at the GOP convention, and I remember it clearly, they opened the event with huge pictures of tanks and planes and carriers on a jumbotron, talking about military dominance, etc. We remembered what his Dad did to the economy. He was obviously a puppet, and Cheney would be pulling the strings, along with Perle and Wolfowitz. Cheney, the monster from the Bohemian Grove, had a lot of shit on him, but it was delegated as "conpiracy theories. Trump has none of this backround with the Cabal, was not Skull and Bones, he was a true citizen who happened to be extremely succesful in business and in his presentation of himself. There is no comparison.
Bush jr was not the commander in chief. I think he had values similar to the average American but they made sure to browbeat him into compliance via negative media coverage. he just wanted to be liked and that led him to back down on a great many issues. I seriously doubt he was the mastermind behind 9/11 and I wouldnt be surprised if he never knew what went on behind the scenes. Daddy Bush did.
If trump is 97 then Bush was -10000000
The media's pseudo outrage against W for 8 years was a conditioner for the public. It allowed Obama to destroy the country all while pretending to be a bystander and blaming it on W. Hindsight is 20/20. W now, happily, joins with the Obamas and the Clinton's (remember, Bill by way of Perot took HW second term). Now I ask you, if you were W, could you publicly side with those families (Obama and Clinton) based on what I wrote? The answer is no, unless it was all scripted, not personal and you benefit from it.