Also, wouldn't be the worst thing to teach them some financial skills, how to avoid debt, track expenses, manage money. Of course much of this will change when this system collapses. There is so much fluff in school schedules these days there is certainly room for VOTEC classes, and get rid of the nonsense classes as well.
Learn REAL (non woke) Sex Ed to understand and prevent pregnancy and disease, learn impulse control, abstinence and setting goals for the future in lieu of instant gratification.
HIGHSCHOOL YEARS 1-3:
The first 3 years of High School should focus on Reading, Writing and Arithmetic and then as many of the extra curricular trades and training programs as one can fit in.
HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR YEAR:
Senior year should include additional 'Life Skills' which must include: money managing, prep and practice interviewing for a job, resume writing, understanding proper etiquette, manners, courtesy and protocol.
A final course on 'How to wash and iron your clothes', preparing healthy meals for cheap and proper personal hygiene should be in there, too.
I learned to sew very well in the 7th grade via the school's Home Ec classes. I ended up sewing several dresses, pants and shorts outfits for myself in high school that fit me like a glove, including my prom dresses. I ended up using my sewing skills many times over the years.
Test jumping an inflatable wing that self assembles in a few seconds ---- that you designed and built yourself is a rush. I had a lot of voluntary support crew that made it happen --- just for the fun of it.
It is not hard once you understand how to make a pattern to fit you and how to lay it before cutting the fabric. Assembling it is the next challenge. It's quite fun. Sort of like putting together a puzzle.
Please begin teaching Latin early at first grade along with reading and writing. It's much easier to learn at this young age and then people would easily pick up other Romance languages; French, Italian, Spanish, German, Portuguese, etc. Latin gives you the root word foundation.
Then adding to everything mentioned here I would love to see Craft Guilds created like UK and Europe used to have: Stone Masons, Stained Glass, Wood Carvers, Painters, Sculptors, etc. There would be a lifetime of learning and passing down knowledge through the members of the Guild. We could have beautiful buildings again! ✨
One of my kids got a classical education at a charter school. That school had the only perfect SAT scores in the state. 7 times now amd the highest average SAT scores in the northwest for students that attended for all 13 years. The public system.hates them.
If we stop poisoning our children, and holding back smatter children for imbeciles, most current high school content used to be taught by early junior high. Why waste those prime formative years continuing to do rote irrelevant nonsense?
“Calculus is the pinnacle of learning!” Almost nobody needs it, and it can be instantly, more than done by computers now, probably even known when it’s needed to be done. Time wasted.
What’s gonna be wild is when we re-unleash civics and how to properly follow and use the law, and how the classical usages will intertwine with new technical realities - which is both tbd, and stuff that a lot of people will need to know as newly freed men.
Rote irrelevant nonsense is part of the design of government indoctrination daycare centers. They were designed to produce factory workers, not entrepreneurs, to replace family and church with government and state, to prepare compliant and obedient workers used to repetitive meaningless tasks, ready for the "inevitable" consolidation with communism.
It will have to be demolished and reconstructed to produce civic-minded Americans who are ready to make their own way and maintain an independent country, free from globalism and deep state corruption.
Learning math teaches people how to think. Logic and math are intricately intertwined. One of my favorite classes ever was called Mathematics and Logic: From Euclid to Modern Geometry.
“Calculus is the pinnacle of learning!” Almost nobody needs it, and it can be instantly, more than done by computers now, probably even known when it’s needed to be done. Time wasted.
This is an ignorant statement. You sound like someone who didnt want to invest the brain power required to learn math. Besides Civics, math is our most important foundational science. Sorry, call em like I see em.
This is the course description for Mathematics and Logic:
Today more than ever we need logic and sound reasoning in defense of truth. And one of the best ways to develop these skills is through the study of Euclidean Geometry.
For more than 2,300 years, Euclid’s Elements has provided the foundation for countless students to learn how to reason with precision and pursue knowledge in all fields of learning. This classic text of Western civilization provides profound tools to distinguish truth from error by means of self-evident principles.
In this course, you will study the transformation of mathematics by the ancient Greeks, discover the fundamentals of logic and deductive reasoning, examine the central proofs of Euclid, learn about the birth of modern geometry, and much more.
The fact that we weren’tever taught math from Euclid’s Elements genuinely pisses me off.
Good enough for 2,300 years of amazing architecture and development, and much deeper understandings of structure and harmonics, but some muttonhead at Harcourt Brace or [Robert] Maxwell Publishing subsidiary MacMillan knows how to do it better now.
Every MI5-authored American textbook needs to be airdumped square into the middle of the Buckingham Palace courtyard.
I said calculus, specifically, and was not trying to say it’s useless, by any means, but that it’s overvalued with respect to how it’s perceived within how it’s taught. There are absolutely a ton of things we wouldn’t have today without it. Said nothing of math in general, which is a critical life skill, as is logic, and I own a copy of Euclid’s Elements myself. My choice of tone was not the best, I’ll grant you. It is a result of a derisive attitude I have toward mindsets like, “I don’t understand it, therefore it must be important.”
If someone wants to start showing applicability for it in more common use cases, I’d be all ears, because I actually enjoy the subject, though I never use it. It’s lack of usefulness does make it overvalued for me, as a non-engineer/statistician who could easily “plug and chug” if a use case did ever show up (which I would have to at this point).
As is, a lot of the other subjects mentioned in this thread that are entirely neglected, do have much more value, because “applicability”, particularly in widespread societal use, is the key valuation metric of what I was getting at, and I’m a very big fan of the 80/20 rule.
I very honestly think a lot of the subjects we cover here on a regular basis are more important than calculus as well. None of that is to say that it doesn’t have its place, or is without any merit within its spheres of applicability.
This is an ignorant statement. You sound like someone who didnt want to invest the brain power required to learn math.
I was just shy of a minor, but use basically nothing past algebra, and occasionally some probability, and a fair amount of statistics (though often also as P&C). My other comment might better explain what i was trying to get at. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but it is my lived reality.
You can also understand why I would say “time wasted” when I spent.. probably 3-5 years taking mid-advanced math subjects and my only resulting purpose for them was to get a piece of paper.
IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN, not sure why that was unclear. They've been perfecting the model for generations and have become very good at it. I'm in a place trying to hire useful graduates and it's impossible. They ALL need training in BASICS. And they're positively insulted when told.
It's not my painting, it's plain observation. I'm a straight a graduate from many years ago and realized I was useless and most of what I was taught was purposely useless if not outright wrong.
That was part of Home Economics when I went to school. We were basic bookkeeping by the time we were sophomores in high school. Home Ec started in 7th grade and was an available elective in high school. Of course, there was no crypto or multiple credit cards like today. We created a budget and learned to reconcile a checkbook with a bank statement. We learned to cook and to sew. We also had wood shop, welding, automotive shop and some other things.
Yup We used to have these programs in my HS back in the 1970;s. My next door neighbor's son went through the program and learned how to repair automobiles. He made more money than his sister who went to college to study accounting.
We still have these today in Oklahoma. You can graduate with an aircraft mechanics license and make 50-100 k immediately. They did have to continue classes for 6 months or so after graduation,but the school paid for it.
Public schools near large airbase and civilian maintenance facilities. I went myself as an adult. Probably a third of the students were in high school.
We had all the classes in the 70’s, including distributive education where we worked at real jobs half the day. Our teacher taught us how to write a resume, interview for jobs, etc. My brother took building trades and his class built a house from ground up his Senior year. All the materials for the house was donated from local businesses. These programs should have never been taken away!!
I went to a private girls school in 1969. We were required to choose a vocation: art, business, cosmetology, quantity food preparation. Then we had to hold a job or successfully attend 1 semester of college prior to graduating in December with a HS diploma. Instead of study halls all students in HS should be required to choose a skill: woodworking, electrical, plumbing, welding, business, nursing assistant, etc. Basics taught in 9th and 10th grades and then interning 11th and 12th grades one day/week.
I was taught American Civics in Junior High, 7th Grade. They were serious about it. American History taught at the same time, which made sense. The next year it was World History. They leave so much out of these text books, though. They are scrubbed clean. They are not truth
I wouldn't call myself ignorant, kek! But as a junior high student, I could discern between the teachers who cared about their subjects and those who didn't. I had very few who were trying to actually teach us. Most were just wanting to get through the day and get their pay. I was fortunate to have a few who taught outside the book and made things interesting. You might call them conspiracy theorists today.
A lot of students from the 90’s onward were taught American history by Howard Zinn - a literal communist, who completely made up a significant portion of his book. They used tax money to bribe schools to stock the book.
The one positive of it is that the “What the hell? Did anything happen like I was told?” response the book can trigger can result in a desire to think critically, weigh evidence, and look for sources and justifications of claims, even when dealing with a supposedly “fundamental” source of information.
I had social studies in my later years. I guess I should say I graduated in 85. Social studies was the biggest bore ever. Nobody went into that class with any seriousness. A nap was the best you could garner. Cs across the board.
I hated Social Studies. It was required every year. The books were thick with tiny print. Everything was in black ink with small, black and white photos. Boring.
It was just memorization of dates, treaties, purchases, and wars and I had no interest in any of it. I had no concept of those things yet.
It was the only class I didn't get an 'A' in.
But then in a stroke of luck, a new teacher came to teach 'History' one year and she was young and fun and she made it so interesting, that suddenly, I got it. I got an 'A' that year, too.
Now of course, we all know that history is one of the MOST IMPORTANT subjects you must learn.
We need this back in our high schools and way more trade schools. Better than being in outrageous debt for the privilege of being indoctrinated by some woke college.
I'm a Gen X who grew up in San Francisco. Everything was slowly phased out because of "budget cuts". But then CA is just insane when it comes to schools. When my Gen Z daughter was in school in CA (not SF but in the Bay Area) we had annual fundraisers to hire PE teachers and computer instructors. Gee, shouldn't the high property taxes cover that? You'd think so but no 🤬
I'm a Gen X as well. We still had "Vo Tech" with woodworking, welding, auto mechanics, and a few other things. We even had a special campus in my town that was ONLY for the Vo Tech kids.
They didn't cut the budget they repurposed it towards hiring administrative staff to deal with the bullshit regulations coming out of the Department of education. Since then we've had like a 700% increase in the amount of administrative staff and it's all because they're needed to deal with the stupid fucking bullshit regulations coming from the bloated and corrupt Department of Education. They create more regulations in order to create more jobs to deal with the regulations. They create a problem and then they send over pallets of money and say Here's the solution to the problem we created.
Started to phase out by mid 90's and under Bush's No Child Left Behind act of 2004 vocational classes were really hard to find in high schools. By 2009 Congress passed a College readiness act that required states to report the number of kids who graduated HS and then went on to college. High schools were incentivized to offer more college prep courses but the budget was the budget...no money in the budget for vocational classes..
I graduated in the mid 80's and was required to take home economics, sewing, or some sort of shop class...oh, and typing. I still use what I learned in wood shop to this day...don't ask me to solve an algebra problem though.
Chief, sorry if typo. Sine= Opposite/Hypotenuse (SOH), Cosine=Adjacent/Hypotenuse (CAH), Tangent=Opposite/Adjacent (TOA). Simplest mnemonic for the angle/side relationships in triangles, which every angle could be made into, which were the basis for nearly all the critical proofs of geometry and trigonometry.
Any makers, carpenters would benefit from these directly, CAD amateurs and professional engineers as well. Heck, I was helping a friend set up a jig for her pottery and it was useful. There is SO MUCH that has been eliminated from government daycare indoctrination center curriculum, it's no wonder the graduates are useless for daily living.
That IS weird!!!! But then again, neither of my DIL's can cook. Both my sons can cook. In Louisiana, it's not strange for men to cook. It's actually strange when they don't. But it just really struck me odd that neither of their spouses can cook.
I'm with you on this Shali! My Daddy and PawPaw were just as good or better cooks than the women! PawPaw was born and raised in Louisiana farmed for most of his life, also owned a grocery store where he was the butcher, Beekeeper, build the house that we live in 95 years ago and retired from Texaco!
How about teaching logic? The best class I had in college was Logic 101. Also, teach a basic manners class. Kids have zero clue, unless taught at home or in private school.
Guess my small town still offering Ag and home ec plus having a vocational tech school is outdated for some. My oldest took 3-4 years of welding in high school
When my oldest was in 7th - 8th grade, we lived in a rural area so he was able to join the 4H club, earn his hunter safety certification as well as boater safety certification. He showed a pig at the fair, did a lil woodworking and auto mechanics. He enjoyed it.
I was ecstatic when they reopened votech in high school. My youngest was not a school person. He was failing so the counselor suggested transferring him to the votech. He learned welding and got his GED. Was the first time in his life he got up on his own and was ready before the bus came. To that point, I didn't think I'd ever see him excited to go to school.
As a young artist, brick and stone laying were great summer jobs that tirned into an early career while starting out in painting, graphics and pre-press. Now as an engineer, I am able to think outside the box and see my designs in action. The work ethic and solution finding it builds is incomparable.
With industry returning to America, we will once again have construction and manufacturing jobs that can support a family.
I mean, we kind of need to take the kids' smart phones and computers away from them and make them put in a full 8-hr day of learning every day to get all of this done!
Construction is a subject that has all sorts of fields. What I mean is that one can receive a PhD in Construction if one persists enough.
The myth is that the subject is only for grunts, but I have seen many competent carpenters quake at diploma level, and those that succeed do very well indeed afterwards. So yeah, more kids should be encouraged to at least have a go at building something.
Changes are happening very quickly with the advent of AI and robots. I suggests students learn those things that robots won’t be able to do at least not in the foreseeable future. Empathy and human to human contact will be needed. More focus on families and children including childcare. We need more children for humanity to continue into the future.
Also teach life skills: contracts-importance of reading and being able to sign in cursive, writing and balancing a checkbook, etiquette/manners, proper diction vs. slang.
Important trades we learned in votec school when I was in high-school. Now every lazy ass wants to sit at a computer and sip mountain dew and eat cheetos while their arms turn to mush and their asses to jello.
Good offer. They should keep you in mind. But, will there even be future jobs for coders? I heard all of the coding jobs are being given to Eastern Indians who are here on work visas...
Nah, they all going home soon… Besides, they cannot code for shit…. If you have ever read it, worst coding, I have ever seen in my life, lazy and sloppy.
Also, wouldn't be the worst thing to teach them some financial skills, how to avoid debt, track expenses, manage money. Of course much of this will change when this system collapses. There is so much fluff in school schedules these days there is certainly room for VOTEC classes, and get rid of the nonsense classes as well.
MIDDLE SCHOOL START THIS:
Learn REAL (non woke) Sex Ed to understand and prevent pregnancy and disease, learn impulse control, abstinence and setting goals for the future in lieu of instant gratification.
HIGHSCHOOL YEARS 1-3:
The first 3 years of High School should focus on Reading, Writing and Arithmetic and then as many of the extra curricular trades and training programs as one can fit in.
HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR YEAR:
Senior year should include additional 'Life Skills' which must include: money managing, prep and practice interviewing for a job, resume writing, understanding proper etiquette, manners, courtesy and protocol.
A final course on 'How to wash and iron your clothes', preparing healthy meals for cheap and proper personal hygiene should be in there, too.
Once the states take back control of education, New programs will be introduced. Yours is a good start.
home economics
This was a thing
I took home ec classes. They also had shop classes. It was real.
I learned to sew very well in the 7th grade via the school's Home Ec classes. I ended up sewing several dresses, pants and shorts outfits for myself in high school that fit me like a glove, including my prom dresses. I ended up using my sewing skills many times over the years.
It has been a very valuable skill.
I'm a parachute rigger. I have built several parachutes ----- lots of sewing.
Sewing clothes (making them look professional) is hard. I did make a skydiving suit once ---- looked OK from a distance,
In your case, as long as it worked, you did a good job!
Thanks
Test jumping an inflatable wing that self assembles in a few seconds ---- that you designed and built yourself is a rush. I had a lot of voluntary support crew that made it happen --- just for the fun of it.
also ----- sewing clothes is hard.
It is not hard once you understand how to make a pattern to fit you and how to lay it before cutting the fabric. Assembling it is the next challenge. It's quite fun. Sort of like putting together a puzzle.
Bring back gun safety.
Exactly, demystify guns will go a long way to stop the spread of fear mongering involving their use
Please begin teaching Latin early at first grade along with reading and writing. It's much easier to learn at this young age and then people would easily pick up other Romance languages; French, Italian, Spanish, German, Portuguese, etc. Latin gives you the root word foundation.
Then adding to everything mentioned here I would love to see Craft Guilds created like UK and Europe used to have: Stone Masons, Stained Glass, Wood Carvers, Painters, Sculptors, etc. There would be a lifetime of learning and passing down knowledge through the members of the Guild. We could have beautiful buildings again! ✨
One of my kids got a classical education at a charter school. That school had the only perfect SAT scores in the state. 7 times now amd the highest average SAT scores in the northwest for students that attended for all 13 years. The public system.hates them.
Shoot. Why wait to high school for all that?
If we stop poisoning our children, and holding back smatter children for imbeciles, most current high school content used to be taught by early junior high. Why waste those prime formative years continuing to do rote irrelevant nonsense?
“Calculus is the pinnacle of learning!” Almost nobody needs it, and it can be instantly, more than done by computers now, probably even known when it’s needed to be done. Time wasted.
What’s gonna be wild is when we re-unleash civics and how to properly follow and use the law, and how the classical usages will intertwine with new technical realities - which is both tbd, and stuff that a lot of people will need to know as newly freed men.
Rote irrelevant nonsense is part of the design of government indoctrination daycare centers. They were designed to produce factory workers, not entrepreneurs, to replace family and church with government and state, to prepare compliant and obedient workers used to repetitive meaningless tasks, ready for the "inevitable" consolidation with communism.
It will have to be demolished and reconstructed to produce civic-minded Americans who are ready to make their own way and maintain an independent country, free from globalism and deep state corruption.
Learning math teaches people how to think. Logic and math are intricately intertwined. One of my favorite classes ever was called Mathematics and Logic: From Euclid to Modern Geometry.
This is an ignorant statement. You sound like someone who didnt want to invest the brain power required to learn math. Besides Civics, math is our most important foundational science. Sorry, call em like I see em.
This is the course description for Mathematics and Logic:
The fact that we weren’t ever taught math from Euclid’s Elements genuinely pisses me off.
Good enough for 2,300 years of amazing architecture and development, and much deeper understandings of structure and harmonics, but some muttonhead at Harcourt Brace or [Robert] Maxwell Publishing subsidiary MacMillan knows how to do it better now.
Every MI5-authored American textbook needs to be airdumped square into the middle of the Buckingham Palace courtyard.
I said calculus, specifically, and was not trying to say it’s useless, by any means, but that it’s overvalued with respect to how it’s perceived within how it’s taught. There are absolutely a ton of things we wouldn’t have today without it. Said nothing of math in general, which is a critical life skill, as is logic, and I own a copy of Euclid’s Elements myself. My choice of tone was not the best, I’ll grant you. It is a result of a derisive attitude I have toward mindsets like, “I don’t understand it, therefore it must be important.”
If someone wants to start showing applicability for it in more common use cases, I’d be all ears, because I actually enjoy the subject, though I never use it. It’s lack of usefulness does make it overvalued for me, as a non-engineer/statistician who could easily “plug and chug” if a use case did ever show up (which I would have to at this point).
As is, a lot of the other subjects mentioned in this thread that are entirely neglected, do have much more value, because “applicability”, particularly in widespread societal use, is the key valuation metric of what I was getting at, and I’m a very big fan of the 80/20 rule.
I very honestly think a lot of the subjects we cover here on a regular basis are more important than calculus as well. None of that is to say that it doesn’t have its place, or is without any merit within its spheres of applicability.
I was just shy of a minor, but use basically nothing past algebra, and occasionally some probability, and a fair amount of statistics (though often also as P&C). My other comment might better explain what i was trying to get at. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but it is my lived reality.
You can also understand why I would say “time wasted” when I spent.. probably 3-5 years taking mid-advanced math subjects and my only resulting purpose for them was to get a piece of paper.
Been saying this since the 80's when Academia decided, ON PURPOSE, to tell all the NON-Straight A students..."you're on your own".
Straight a students are simply obedient factory workers. It's part of the design, they don't want creators or makers or individualists.
Painting with a very broad brush here. Havent we learned from the leftists not to do this?
IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN, not sure why that was unclear. They've been perfecting the model for generations and have become very good at it. I'm in a place trying to hire useful graduates and it's impossible. They ALL need training in BASICS. And they're positively insulted when told.
It's not my painting, it's plain observation. I'm a straight a graduate from many years ago and realized I was useless and most of what I was taught was purposely useless if not outright wrong.
That was part of Home Economics when I went to school. We were basic bookkeeping by the time we were sophomores in high school. Home Ec started in 7th grade and was an available elective in high school. Of course, there was no crypto or multiple credit cards like today. We created a budget and learned to reconcile a checkbook with a bank statement. We learned to cook and to sew. We also had wood shop, welding, automotive shop and some other things.
Yup We used to have these programs in my HS back in the 1970;s. My next door neighbor's son went through the program and learned how to repair automobiles. He made more money than his sister who went to college to study accounting.
We still have these today in Oklahoma. You can graduate with an aircraft mechanics license and make 50-100 k immediately. They did have to continue classes for 6 months or so after graduation,but the school paid for it.
Wow!
We have a lot of aircraft maintenance jobs in the state.
Is that in the Native American schools or the public schools?
Public schools near large airbase and civilian maintenance facilities. I went myself as an adult. Probably a third of the students were in high school.
https://www.swtech.edu/page/aviation-maintenance-technology
https://www.francistuttle.edu/
https://www.metrotech.edu/programs-classes/aviation
I learned electronics at my HS back in the early 70s. Made a 30+ year career out of it.
Inhaling all those solder fumes didn't seem to hurt me either.
i'm disappointed that my school and boy scouts never introduced us to ham radio... it's fundamental to the future of technology applications
My kids and I actually built a working AM radio transmitter out of an old telephone (carbon mic).
The system doesn't want independent people.
Still? How so?
radio frequency, i.e. resonant ac circuits, underpins everything electronic.
We had all the classes in the 70’s, including distributive education where we worked at real jobs half the day. Our teacher taught us how to write a resume, interview for jobs, etc. My brother took building trades and his class built a house from ground up his Senior year. All the materials for the house was donated from local businesses. These programs should have never been taken away!!
I went to a private girls school in 1969. We were required to choose a vocation: art, business, cosmetology, quantity food preparation. Then we had to hold a job or successfully attend 1 semester of college prior to graduating in December with a HS diploma. Instead of study halls all students in HS should be required to choose a skill: woodworking, electrical, plumbing, welding, business, nursing assistant, etc. Basics taught in 9th and 10th grades and then interning 11th and 12th grades one day/week.
Even if you get a professional job, you should have a backup skill!
Yes, exactly!
Wow!
I would be happy to see American Civics brought back. Kids have no clue what our rights are, how the govt works, what checks and balances are
Without this; we will just continue to degenerate
We are not a Democracy and many have no clue what a democracy actually is
I was taught American Civics in Junior High, 7th Grade. They were serious about it. American History taught at the same time, which made sense. The next year it was World History. They leave so much out of these text books, though. They are scrubbed clean. They are not truth
By design. Easier to control ignorant people.
I wouldn't call myself ignorant, kek! But as a junior high student, I could discern between the teachers who cared about their subjects and those who didn't. I had very few who were trying to actually teach us. Most were just wanting to get through the day and get their pay. I was fortunate to have a few who taught outside the book and made things interesting. You might call them conspiracy theorists today.
A lot of students from the 90’s onward were taught American history by Howard Zinn - a literal communist, who completely made up a significant portion of his book. They used tax money to bribe schools to stock the book.
The one positive of it is that the “What the hell? Did anything happen like I was told?” response the book can trigger can result in a desire to think critically, weigh evidence, and look for sources and justifications of claims, even when dealing with a supposedly “fundamental” source of information.
Very true!
Amen. I learned state and fed civics and history.
I had social studies in my later years. I guess I should say I graduated in 85. Social studies was the biggest bore ever. Nobody went into that class with any seriousness. A nap was the best you could garner. Cs across the board.
I hated Social Studies. It was required every year. The books were thick with tiny print. Everything was in black ink with small, black and white photos. Boring.
It was just memorization of dates, treaties, purchases, and wars and I had no interest in any of it. I had no concept of those things yet.
It was the only class I didn't get an 'A' in.
But then in a stroke of luck, a new teacher came to teach 'History' one year and she was young and fun and she made it so interesting, that suddenly, I got it. I got an 'A' that year, too.
Now of course, we all know that history is one of the MOST IMPORTANT subjects you must learn.
We need this back in our high schools and way more trade schools. Better than being in outrageous debt for the privilege of being indoctrinated by some woke college.
That's by design. The government indoctrination daycare system isn't broken, it's working EXACTLY as they intend.
Sorry for your loss. Did he happen to teach his skill to any others so that his talent can live on?
I love that. We need these people!! They are a treasure to all of us. So sorry for your loss.
Wow! Hard work runs in both of your genes, for sure!
Who took them out of the schools and when? asking for a fren.
I'm a Gen X who grew up in San Francisco. Everything was slowly phased out because of "budget cuts". But then CA is just insane when it comes to schools. When my Gen Z daughter was in school in CA (not SF but in the Bay Area) we had annual fundraisers to hire PE teachers and computer instructors. Gee, shouldn't the high property taxes cover that? You'd think so but no 🤬
The Calif Lotto was also sold as a way to fill in the funding gaps in schools.
Instead, the grifters in Sacto, took all that Lotto money and cut the schools budget by the exact amount schools were supposed to get from the Lotto.
But, that is also ignoring the fact that Calif pays far more per student and has worst results than most of the rest of the country.
I'm a Gen X as well. We still had "Vo Tech" with woodworking, welding, auto mechanics, and a few other things. We even had a special campus in my town that was ONLY for the Vo Tech kids.
It was all gone a few years after I graduated.
They didn't cut the budget they repurposed it towards hiring administrative staff to deal with the bullshit regulations coming out of the Department of education. Since then we've had like a 700% increase in the amount of administrative staff and it's all because they're needed to deal with the stupid fucking bullshit regulations coming from the bloated and corrupt Department of Education. They create more regulations in order to create more jobs to deal with the regulations. They create a problem and then they send over pallets of money and say Here's the solution to the problem we created.
Started to phase out by mid 90's and under Bush's No Child Left Behind act of 2004 vocational classes were really hard to find in high schools. By 2009 Congress passed a College readiness act that required states to report the number of kids who graduated HS and then went on to college. High schools were incentivized to offer more college prep courses but the budget was the budget...no money in the budget for vocational classes.. I graduated in the mid 80's and was required to take home economics, sewing, or some sort of shop class...oh, and typing. I still use what I learned in wood shop to this day...don't ask me to solve an algebra problem though.
Same here, use it all, but I went into Landscape Design and finally found a use for my Algebra! Kek! I had to relearn it all.
Algebra and trigonometry are very useful in making all kinds of things, and no graduates we interview can do any of it Not even chef soh cah toa.
What is this: 'chef soh cah toa'?
Chief, sorry if typo. Sine= Opposite/Hypotenuse (SOH), Cosine=Adjacent/Hypotenuse (CAH), Tangent=Opposite/Adjacent (TOA). Simplest mnemonic for the angle/side relationships in triangles, which every angle could be made into, which were the basis for nearly all the critical proofs of geometry and trigonometry.
Any makers, carpenters would benefit from these directly, CAD amateurs and professional engineers as well. Heck, I was helping a friend set up a jig for her pottery and it was useful. There is SO MUCH that has been eliminated from government daycare indoctrination center curriculum, it's no wonder the graduates are useless for daily living.
No Child Gets Ahead
YES!! I took a couple typing classes in high school and I'm so grateful I did! When computers entered the scene, I was ready to go.
Yes, for me too. Learning typing freshman year ended up getting me my first job. I could type so fast, too.
It is very disconcerting to meet grown-ass men who don't know how to use tools
That IS weird!!!! But then again, neither of my DIL's can cook. Both my sons can cook. In Louisiana, it's not strange for men to cook. It's actually strange when they don't. But it just really struck me odd that neither of their spouses can cook.
I'm with you on this Shali! My Daddy and PawPaw were just as good or better cooks than the women! PawPaw was born and raised in Louisiana farmed for most of his life, also owned a grocery store where he was the butcher, Beekeeper, build the house that we live in 95 years ago and retired from Texaco!
Yep! I don't get it lol. Cooking means you can eat food you like how you like it.
I bet a lot of older generation grandfathers were responsible for teaching a lot of grandmothers to cook.
Yes!! Make Civics great again! No more of this "social studies" garbage.
Kids now: "The what and what?"
Each school can build a small section of brick wall to be installed at the southern border.
I like it! They can even sell bricks with people's names on it to raise money to do so!
Yes! Buy-a-brick. Each school can customize their own section.
Teach em to homestead and live off grid and decentralized from blue cities.
How about teaching logic? The best class I had in college was Logic 101. Also, teach a basic manners class. Kids have zero clue, unless taught at home or in private school.
Constitution class.
Home school and make sure your kids get exactly what they need. You can teach them yourself, or enroll them in whatever classes you choose.
Bring back dress codes for high school and junior high. Have you seen the state of undress on a high school campus lately?
Kids wear uniforms to school here.
Guess my small town still offering Ag and home ec plus having a vocational tech school is outdated for some. My oldest took 3-4 years of welding in high school
When my oldest was in 7th - 8th grade, we lived in a rural area so he was able to join the 4H club, earn his hunter safety certification as well as boater safety certification. He showed a pig at the fair, did a lil woodworking and auto mechanics. He enjoyed it.
Ours still has 4H
That is awesome. So glad to hear.
I was ecstatic when they reopened votech in high school. My youngest was not a school person. He was failing so the counselor suggested transferring him to the votech. He learned welding and got his GED. Was the first time in his life he got up on his own and was ready before the bus came. To that point, I didn't think I'd ever see him excited to go to school.
And he'll be making more money than all of his high school friends.
Yep
With no student debt!
Graduated HS in 77. My most valuable course ever was two years of HS machine shop. But I made my money with a BS electrical engineering degree.
Get rid of Common Core!
We used to have home economics and industrial arts classes, and those were really useful until the school systems cut them.
Yes, THIS IS THE WAY!
As a young artist, brick and stone laying were great summer jobs that tirned into an early career while starting out in painting, graphics and pre-press. Now as an engineer, I am able to think outside the box and see my designs in action. The work ethic and solution finding it builds is incomparable. With industry returning to America, we will once again have construction and manufacturing jobs that can support a family.
I love it.
Art and music too.
Agreed but we need civics back more than ANYTHING. And a return to Latin/Greek curriculum. Kids need to read Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Seneca...
I mean, we kind of need to take the kids' smart phones and computers away from them and make them put in a full 8-hr day of learning every day to get all of this done!
Construction is a subject that has all sorts of fields. What I mean is that one can receive a PhD in Construction if one persists enough.
The myth is that the subject is only for grunts, but I have seen many competent carpenters quake at diploma level, and those that succeed do very well indeed afterwards. So yeah, more kids should be encouraged to at least have a go at building something.
Changes are happening very quickly with the advent of AI and robots. I suggests students learn those things that robots won’t be able to do at least not in the foreseeable future. Empathy and human to human contact will be needed. More focus on families and children including childcare. We need more children for humanity to continue into the future.
There are so many things that robots will NEVER be able to do.
Good idea.
Also farming / ag
Yes!
Also teach life skills: contracts-importance of reading and being able to sign in cursive, writing and balancing a checkbook, etiquette/manners, proper diction vs. slang.
Important trades we learned in votec school when I was in high-school. Now every lazy ass wants to sit at a computer and sip mountain dew and eat cheetos while their arms turn to mush and their asses to jello.
We had those classes in HS back in the day.
Already happening in the Kingdom of Canada!
Graduated from this program in the 80's it is still operating today but we need more like them:
https://www.gavc-il.org/
I see an enormous amount of waste of things that could be reused or fixed but aren't because of a lack of basic building skills
And landscaping and how to plant trees and shrubs.
Yes!
BUILD BUILD BUILD!
Send all of the fired government employees to my high school… I teach CS, Iwill teach them to learn to code
Good offer. They should keep you in mind. But, will there even be future jobs for coders? I heard all of the coding jobs are being given to Eastern Indians who are here on work visas...
Nah, they all going home soon… Besides, they cannot code for shit…. If you have ever read it, worst coding, I have ever seen in my life, lazy and sloppy.
I hope you are right!
How about we exchange one good long-term immigrant for each satanic pedophile? Balance is everything.
I'm with you on that one.