This is a very interesting theory and entirely plausible. At some point we will look back and see all kinds of "minor" things that turned out to be major turning points!
I think it led to all of this plus "Free s#x!!" where men and women could sleep around and not have 'consequences'. Also too much estrogen makes women weepy and moodier, which leads to the crying liberals we see now.
Couples started having s#x earlier in the relationship, which causes their judgement to be clouded. Women feel more attached to the man, and men get their release and are done. There's no reason to court the woman anymore. There's no reason to be courted. Dating changed. If you don't have s#x early on in the relationship, you are seen as broken and not wanted. Men won't date the cow unless it gives them milk consistently. Men want master^ation, women want closeness.
The pill also has been shown to cause cancer with long term use. So the prevalence of breast cancer goes up... and Susan G Komen supports it's executives because people suddenly donate more "to find a cure".
The pill was the turning point of the downfall of our society. It accelerated the breakdown of dating, family, women's emotional health, men's skewed view on what s#x is and means... it's all self gratification on either side. Women give it up earlier, men are happy and no longer have to work for it. Kids become an inconvenience on the way to s#xual outlet.
Women have to work because men no longer want to get married. They want s#x, they get s#x. No longer need the commitment.
There is no longer delayed gratification on either side. So people become consumers not only of each other, but of goods too. Because they haven't learned to wait for what they want.
It's really the catalyst for so much in our current society. There's more, but I'll get off my soapbox now!
The organic population growth patterns were disrupted and then immorality followed. The Future has to evolve where children are separated from the outside World while they grow up. A second Internet that young people have access is a must. Imagine a time where there is a committee of Protective Mothers and Daughters, who decide what gets into the system. If there is no value to the Children and Community..OUT IT STAYS..this ties in with having Regions that are labeled Light 🕯️ Grey and Dark. The Brotherhood and Sisterhoods will Administer these regions under the Rulership of the Global Line of Credit that will rescue and lift Humanity from the Grasp of Global Bankers.
The Man who runs GAB has pitched the idea of a new Internet. Id pitch it as a new everything..it would be constructed as a.once in a lifetime investment. The rules would favour the People using the system and not Greedy minds bleeding the system and ruining the People over time. I've spoken about a new Key attached to all corporations. Id offer existing Corporate infrastructure the option of joining the New System as long as they locked out the Equity of the Corporations and only kept in the Minority Shareholders.
That Sounds like 3rd Internet. There are 3 types of Regions. The Dark being the existing system. The Light being the Children's author. The Grey being a World between the innocent and the everything..
Soon the People will evolve a Universal Brand that serve the best interests of the Hard and honest working Natives of the land. The Billionaire class can join the Great Awakening by adopting a City or Region and then be invited to join Co-branding opportunities. Once a sound sense of Trust has been established..
Children should NOT be raised in an internet environment. There is no developmental, moral, intellectual, psychological, or religious value in a world of narcissism and delusion. They need attention, discussion, church, and books (encyclopedias, literature, geography). The life of the mind, not the life of the popcorn-eater. (No offense meant. I like popcorn, too, but it is not civilizational sustenance.)
I read something several years ago on generations - this was probably when Millennials were being fawned over in the media. It defined them as 'the wanted children ' because Gen X wad the generation the boomers took the pull to avoid having. The author admitted that stung, but didn't deny it either.
The pill is the absolute game changer that doesn't get the attention it should.
Yes! There is no way in hell they could convince enough women to quit taking birth control. Hell, I would have laughed in their face. I took it for menstrual cycle problems. Even considering what that post hypothesizes, I would not willingly go thru what I went thru with my cycles before birth control. Know what I mean? Lol
It is also mid control. I got off of it and had an awakening 3 days later. One of those moments where you step up in consciousness. It was keeping me dull and mean and dumb.
I gradually became more conservative. Far leftist men aren't really nice to women, they treat them like prostitutes to be used and abused because their moral superiority serves only their hedonistic impulses.
Nailed it. Leftists men only see women as a piece of meat. And the more powerful they become, the less value women are beyond sex and eye candy to prove their status.
I was on birth control for years. Both my husbands were men. "Toxic" men. Lol
I can't abide a weak man. If I feel like I have to protect them, there's an issue.
Maybe compared to other women your thoughts were more influenced by your intellect than your hormones. But then again, you said “both” your husbands were masculine. Maybe your first husband’s masculinity wasn’t attractive enough to keep the relationship together, and maybe that was because of the bc pills.
My first husband cheated on me and walked out on me and our 14 month old son. No, birth control saved lives with me, not the opposite. I had the extreme PMS - like look at me wrong and I wanted to kill you or you hated me. BC stopped that while I was on it
If I ever showed weakness around Mrs. bigsix I'm certain she would bop me over the head, roll me up in the foyer carpet, toss me in the trunk, drive me to the top of some hill and leave me for the crows. Other than that, it's been 40 years of wedded bliss. kek
When birth control pills were first created it was to regulate women's periods. Some would go on for weeks! It was through that regulation they discovered it worked as birth control.
Birth control was not the intent when The Pill was created. It was given to me as a 12-year-old with those problems. And I was not even told it was birth control at the time. 50 yyra ago. So many other things were put in place for birth control but creating that pill was not one of them.
I disagree. It’s likely that you as a 12 year old didn’t know, but your doctor certainly knew. I started taking it 51 years ago specifically for birth control.
I took them 55 years ago. I did not say it was unknown then. I said when they created the pill for regulation they realized it later and that was years before that. Originally they were created to regulate menstrual cycles. Yes my doctor knew then because when I found out I was upset and asked him about it.
Convenientyl it also occured at the start of the feminiist revolution. Women could now have sex and didnt have to be married. It was the beginning of the downfall of the family unit. All satan's design.
I was one of 6 boomer kids. Only 5 of us had children a total of 11 grandkids. And from those grandkids there are only 5 great grandkids (with one on the way).
Interestingly enough all of those great grandkids came from one of my siblings who had 5 kids from two marriages. She got married at 18. She is the only one who has grandkids out of all of us Boomers. Many of our kids are either unmarried or married without kids.
There have been posts here discussing the suffragette movement as a psyop, with propped-up leaders. While I believe it was designed to destroy our country way back then, the pill certainly pushed it into a higher gear.
It’s not birth control that ruined society. It’s the loss of the family structure. If society was great before birth control, why is Africa still a mess? You need the family unit for society to be successful. Yes, birth control helped destroy the family unit in western society, but it wasn’t the only factor. Welfare and no fault divorce had a big hand in it as well.
It was the next step toward demonizing family/reducing family. Once children were being tagged as a 'burden' and raising children was a stigma, this was supposed to give women a sense of power. 'I will decide if and when I have children.' The cabal does not change its goalpost. Destroy families, destroy civilization, destroy mankind. BUT GOD.......!
I think it contributed to the moral decay along with abotion murder mills. Women could pracrice hypergamy to the enth degree and and having a high body count or not being a virgin at marriage quit being looked at as immoral. Those woman would NEVER EVER find a husband pre birth control. They were damaged goods. They still are damaged goods. Feminism destroyed much of it. The pill was a tool as well as abortion. Then DEI putting women in tje workforce completed the job. Woman simply do not need men anymore. But...they do need validation that only a man can give and few of them are worthy of it.
Also birth control leads both sexes to have a false sense of security and the belief that having sex with everyone and anyone is okay. Then when birth control fails, the female selfishly deems the pregnancy inconvenient and aborts the baby. Never does she think about the life lost, the pain the baby goes through, the emotional and physical risk the mother goes through or what happens to the baby and his/her body parts after the abortion. Nor does she always include the sexual partner in the decision.
I think I was the lone anti establishment girl who understood the Catholic Church's ban on the pill. I would talk myself blue, but people did not get it. It was not because the Church wanted to control bodies, or hated sex, or wanted everyone to be prudish. It was an attempt to elevate the sacred act to the reality that sexual intercourse created a life, a separate life, giving man the most powerful ability, and responsibility he could have. The female, being the recipient, trusted by God to make another human soul come into existence, for this trial called life. Animals do not engage sexually until their body tells them to make more animals, they do not have recreational sex. Sorry, but that is how nature was set up. Once you steer away from the plan, abnormalities occur. Breast cancer, promiscuity, sexually transmitted disease, a devolution into dehumanization that resulted in abortion. I understand a need to limit children within a family's ability to support them. I understand a couple desiring one another, and wanting to share intimacy with not always wondering if they are making another baby. I understand complications that could harm a mother if she got pregnant again. The mistake was when they were prescribed to single women, randomly and freely. After 3 children, my sister, who was married, went on them. She was very fertile. I suffered from endometriosis all of my life, menapause was a relief, so my son is a miracle to me, while I was married, I could not get pregnant and I had no desire or funds to go through all the procedures and hormones, I was a back to the earth girl since the early 70's, if it was not happening in nature, it was not happening with me. My baby came to me when I was older, almost 40. I prayed for him to be, God gifted me. The pill was the nail in the coffin for responsible moral behavior. And look where we are today. Hook ups, casual sex, girls being expected to "put out". As long as the reality of procreation is in men and womens minds when they do it, they will consider the act in a higher regard. But I am an anomaly in the world, always have been. But you cannot deny that the risk of getting pregnant made people take the act seriously.
I also suffered with horrible endometriosis, heavy, heavy cycles lasting weeks and the extreme PMS. BC solved my cycle issues but both of my kids were not planned. Lol.
"Civilization untethers. Once reproduction is optional, family becomes fragile. Birthrates collapse. Demography flips from self-sustaining to dependent on immigration."
There was no "pill" around during the great migration to the US particularly in the 1880's-1925, when migration was effectively stopped by law. Reproduction has always been optional regardless of whether "the pill" was available.
I'm an early Gen X born in 1966. Gen X was the first generation where you could take pills not to have us, Gen X was also the first generation where you could legally murder us in the womb.
So when you put it into perspective like that, yeah it really is sad.
As a childfree woman (who has never and will never take that poison) let me just add that the BC bill has become the preferred silencer to all women suffering with pelvic pain or other reproductive issues. All doctors do for women is push that pill. Sooo many women DO NOT want to take it and it seems like doctors have been trained to treat women’s pain as less serious than it is. It takes an average of 6-7 years before a women with endometriosis gets properly diagnosed, meanwhile docs refer her to psychological counseling, prescribe the pill, or tell her to have children. So yeah, f*ck the pill.
This is a very interesting theory and entirely plausible. At some point we will look back and see all kinds of "minor" things that turned out to be major turning points!
It shocked me once I thought about it. How accurate. I had to share
Now that is wisdom.
Very interesting to me also Shali! Thanks for posting fren!
When we returned from Congo in 66, my dad said that while we were gone,"the Beatles and the birth control pill happened " Exactly right.
Came back to a different country in only 4 years.
Lordy. That's a stark change.
Personal responsibility tanked and hedonism cranked
I think it led to all of this plus "Free s#x!!" where men and women could sleep around and not have 'consequences'. Also too much estrogen makes women weepy and moodier, which leads to the crying liberals we see now.
Couples started having s#x earlier in the relationship, which causes their judgement to be clouded. Women feel more attached to the man, and men get their release and are done. There's no reason to court the woman anymore. There's no reason to be courted. Dating changed. If you don't have s#x early on in the relationship, you are seen as broken and not wanted. Men won't date the cow unless it gives them milk consistently. Men want master^ation, women want closeness.
The pill also has been shown to cause cancer with long term use. So the prevalence of breast cancer goes up... and Susan G Komen supports it's executives because people suddenly donate more "to find a cure".
The pill was the turning point of the downfall of our society. It accelerated the breakdown of dating, family, women's emotional health, men's skewed view on what s#x is and means... it's all self gratification on either side. Women give it up earlier, men are happy and no longer have to work for it. Kids become an inconvenience on the way to s#xual outlet.
Women have to work because men no longer want to get married. They want s#x, they get s#x. No longer need the commitment.
There is no longer delayed gratification on either side. So people become consumers not only of each other, but of goods too. Because they haven't learned to wait for what they want.
It's really the catalyst for so much in our current society. There's more, but I'll get off my soapbox now!
This has turned out to be the most profound outcome of the toxic feminist movement, moreso than the pill.
And women are the ones most hurt by it.
Yep. Agree. Hindsight 20/20
The organic population growth patterns were disrupted and then immorality followed. The Future has to evolve where children are separated from the outside World while they grow up. A second Internet that young people have access is a must. Imagine a time where there is a committee of Protective Mothers and Daughters, who decide what gets into the system. If there is no value to the Children and Community..OUT IT STAYS..this ties in with having Regions that are labeled Light 🕯️ Grey and Dark. The Brotherhood and Sisterhoods will Administer these regions under the Rulership of the Global Line of Credit that will rescue and lift Humanity from the Grasp of Global Bankers.
A filtered/second internet that was designed to be PG could be possible.
Could be done as an open source project entirely without the government too
The Man who runs GAB has pitched the idea of a new Internet. Id pitch it as a new everything..it would be constructed as a.once in a lifetime investment. The rules would favour the People using the system and not Greedy minds bleeding the system and ruining the People over time. I've spoken about a new Key attached to all corporations. Id offer existing Corporate infrastructure the option of joining the New System as long as they locked out the Equity of the Corporations and only kept in the Minority Shareholders.
That Sounds like 3rd Internet. There are 3 types of Regions. The Dark being the existing system. The Light being the Children's author. The Grey being a World between the innocent and the everything..
Soon the People will evolve a Universal Brand that serve the best interests of the Hard and honest working Natives of the land. The Billionaire class can join the Great Awakening by adopting a City or Region and then be invited to join Co-branding opportunities. Once a sound sense of Trust has been established..
Great idea!
Children should NOT be raised in an internet environment. There is no developmental, moral, intellectual, psychological, or religious value in a world of narcissism and delusion. They need attention, discussion, church, and books (encyclopedias, literature, geography). The life of the mind, not the life of the popcorn-eater. (No offense meant. I like popcorn, too, but it is not civilizational sustenance.)
I am so glad I was in the last group of kids before online gaming and high speed internet took off.
I read something several years ago on generations - this was probably when Millennials were being fawned over in the media. It defined them as 'the wanted children ' because Gen X wad the generation the boomers took the pull to avoid having. The author admitted that stung, but didn't deny it either.
The pill is the absolute game changer that doesn't get the attention it should.
recreational sex without consequences . . .
ppl now believe it is their "right" hence . . . abortion among only one consequence
Yes! There is no way in hell they could convince enough women to quit taking birth control. Hell, I would have laughed in their face. I took it for menstrual cycle problems. Even considering what that post hypothesizes, I would not willingly go thru what I went thru with my cycles before birth control. Know what I mean? Lol
It is also mid control. I got off of it and had an awakening 3 days later. One of those moments where you step up in consciousness. It was keeping me dull and mean and dumb.
Did you find that you were more attracted to masculinity and less so to performative niceguyism?
I gradually became more conservative. Far leftist men aren't really nice to women, they treat them like prostitutes to be used and abused because their moral superiority serves only their hedonistic impulses.
Nailed it. Leftists men only see women as a piece of meat. And the more powerful they become, the less value women are beyond sex and eye candy to prove their status.
I was on birth control for years. Both my husbands were men. "Toxic" men. Lol I can't abide a weak man. If I feel like I have to protect them, there's an issue.
Maybe compared to other women your thoughts were more influenced by your intellect than your hormones. But then again, you said “both” your husbands were masculine. Maybe your first husband’s masculinity wasn’t attractive enough to keep the relationship together, and maybe that was because of the bc pills.
My first husband cheated on me and walked out on me and our 14 month old son. No, birth control saved lives with me, not the opposite. I had the extreme PMS - like look at me wrong and I wanted to kill you or you hated me. BC stopped that while I was on it
Sorry to hear
If I ever showed weakness around Mrs. bigsix I'm certain she would bop me over the head, roll me up in the foyer carpet, toss me in the trunk, drive me to the top of some hill and leave me for the crows. Other than that, it's been 40 years of wedded bliss. kek
That's great 🥰 my second husband and I were together for 31 years before he died.
I think you meant "mind," not mid.
It was not mid. It was very, very effective.
Or midget. Spunky_kitty could be a midget. At least that's what I thought when reading the comment.
If the goal is to destroy western civilization, then promoting the pill, drug use, abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, etc. all make perfect sense.
Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
It’s kind of funny how the world is catching up to things the manosphere pointed out over 15 years ago
And deplatformed for saying the obvious
Yes, totally.
The HPV Vaccine seems like another turning point. And, the smart phone.
What's the issue with the HPV vaccine?
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/25-reasons-to-avoid-the-gardasil-vaccine/
When birth control pills were first created it was to regulate women's periods. Some would go on for weeks! It was through that regulation they discovered it worked as birth control. Birth control was not the intent when The Pill was created. It was given to me as a 12-year-old with those problems. And I was not even told it was birth control at the time. 50 yyra ago. So many other things were put in place for birth control but creating that pill was not one of them.
PS Later economics had much more to do with the lower population. It's why I chose not to have children! Not affordable.
God will provide, speaking as one of nine children. They only get expensive for the father if the marriage fails.
Wish I had children but made poor choices in my youth, and pursued a hedonistic lifestyle.
Turned to Jesus and got married in my 30s, but miscarriages were all we managed, sadly.
Close to 20 years ago, so our window has passed.
I disagree. It’s likely that you as a 12 year old didn’t know, but your doctor certainly knew. I started taking it 51 years ago specifically for birth control.
I took them 55 years ago. I did not say it was unknown then. I said when they created the pill for regulation they realized it later and that was years before that. Originally they were created to regulate menstrual cycles. Yes my doctor knew then because when I found out I was upset and asked him about it.
Same here. Put on at 14 for horrible cycles. Missed three days of school every month until I started taking them.
Convenientyl it also occured at the start of the feminiist revolution. Women could now have sex and didnt have to be married. It was the beginning of the downfall of the family unit. All satan's design.
I was one of 6 boomer kids. Only 5 of us had children a total of 11 grandkids. And from those grandkids there are only 5 great grandkids (with one on the way).
Interestingly enough all of those great grandkids came from one of my siblings who had 5 kids from two marriages. She got married at 18. She is the only one who has grandkids out of all of us Boomers. Many of our kids are either unmarried or married without kids.
There have been posts here discussing the suffragette movement as a psyop, with propped-up leaders. While I believe it was designed to destroy our country way back then, the pill certainly pushed it into a higher gear.
It’s not birth control that ruined society. It’s the loss of the family structure. If society was great before birth control, why is Africa still a mess? You need the family unit for society to be successful. Yes, birth control helped destroy the family unit in western society, but it wasn’t the only factor. Welfare and no fault divorce had a big hand in it as well.
Which is why Justice Thomas has said birth control is a national security issue. No people, no country.
It was the next step toward demonizing family/reducing family. Once children were being tagged as a 'burden' and raising children was a stigma, this was supposed to give women a sense of power. 'I will decide if and when I have children.' The cabal does not change its goalpost. Destroy families, destroy civilization, destroy mankind. BUT GOD.......!
Every woman I've ever known taking birth control pills has had a tremendous weight gain problem.
It's like the pill drastically slows down their metabolism and sets them on a path to obesity.
I was fortunate in that regard. No weight gain.
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/12/birth-control-decline-civilization-steven-kessler.html
I think it contributed to the moral decay along with abotion murder mills. Women could pracrice hypergamy to the enth degree and and having a high body count or not being a virgin at marriage quit being looked at as immoral. Those woman would NEVER EVER find a husband pre birth control. They were damaged goods. They still are damaged goods. Feminism destroyed much of it. The pill was a tool as well as abortion. Then DEI putting women in tje workforce completed the job. Woman simply do not need men anymore. But...they do need validation that only a man can give and few of them are worthy of it.
Truth - Catholic church had warned about this before it got infiltrated....
Also birth control leads both sexes to have a false sense of security and the belief that having sex with everyone and anyone is okay. Then when birth control fails, the female selfishly deems the pregnancy inconvenient and aborts the baby. Never does she think about the life lost, the pain the baby goes through, the emotional and physical risk the mother goes through or what happens to the baby and his/her body parts after the abortion. Nor does she always include the sexual partner in the decision.
Yeah, luckily I don't have that mindset.
I think I was the lone anti establishment girl who understood the Catholic Church's ban on the pill. I would talk myself blue, but people did not get it. It was not because the Church wanted to control bodies, or hated sex, or wanted everyone to be prudish. It was an attempt to elevate the sacred act to the reality that sexual intercourse created a life, a separate life, giving man the most powerful ability, and responsibility he could have. The female, being the recipient, trusted by God to make another human soul come into existence, for this trial called life. Animals do not engage sexually until their body tells them to make more animals, they do not have recreational sex. Sorry, but that is how nature was set up. Once you steer away from the plan, abnormalities occur. Breast cancer, promiscuity, sexually transmitted disease, a devolution into dehumanization that resulted in abortion. I understand a need to limit children within a family's ability to support them. I understand a couple desiring one another, and wanting to share intimacy with not always wondering if they are making another baby. I understand complications that could harm a mother if she got pregnant again. The mistake was when they were prescribed to single women, randomly and freely. After 3 children, my sister, who was married, went on them. She was very fertile. I suffered from endometriosis all of my life, menapause was a relief, so my son is a miracle to me, while I was married, I could not get pregnant and I had no desire or funds to go through all the procedures and hormones, I was a back to the earth girl since the early 70's, if it was not happening in nature, it was not happening with me. My baby came to me when I was older, almost 40. I prayed for him to be, God gifted me. The pill was the nail in the coffin for responsible moral behavior. And look where we are today. Hook ups, casual sex, girls being expected to "put out". As long as the reality of procreation is in men and womens minds when they do it, they will consider the act in a higher regard. But I am an anomaly in the world, always have been. But you cannot deny that the risk of getting pregnant made people take the act seriously.
I also suffered with horrible endometriosis, heavy, heavy cycles lasting weeks and the extreme PMS. BC solved my cycle issues but both of my kids were not planned. Lol.
"Civilization untethers. Once reproduction is optional, family becomes fragile. Birthrates collapse. Demography flips from self-sustaining to dependent on immigration."
There was no "pill" around during the great migration to the US particularly in the 1880's-1925, when migration was effectively stopped by law. Reproduction has always been optional regardless of whether "the pill" was available.
Were, not was.
I disagree. BCP in this instance is a singular topic. And no one says birth control pill when referring to that topic.
I'm an early Gen X born in 1966. Gen X was the first generation where you could take pills not to have us, Gen X was also the first generation where you could legally murder us in the womb. So when you put it into perspective like that, yeah it really is sad.
Born 65 😁
As a childfree woman (who has never and will never take that poison) let me just add that the BC bill has become the preferred silencer to all women suffering with pelvic pain or other reproductive issues. All doctors do for women is push that pill. Sooo many women DO NOT want to take it and it seems like doctors have been trained to treat women’s pain as less serious than it is. It takes an average of 6-7 years before a women with endometriosis gets properly diagnosed, meanwhile docs refer her to psychological counseling, prescribe the pill, or tell her to have children. So yeah, f*ck the pill.
Back in 1978, I was put on the pill to regulate me and help lighten things. It was a savior
TRUTH