Reference Point:
Promethean Update - They Lied About Turning Point: Vance Exposes the REAL Operation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Qdppy5xNQ
Highly recommended.
A lot of what the Promethean ladies say makes a lot of sense to me.
So, I decided to ask Grok what it thought about the significance of TPUSA in the re-election of Donald Trump in 2024.
https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=2003333876006203420
"How significant do you think the work or action of TPUSA was in the election of Donald Trump in 2024?"
"Turning Point USA (TPUSA), founded by Charlie Kirk, played a notable role in Donald Trump's 2024 presidential victory, particularly through its focus on youth mobilization, voter turnout efforts, and grassroots organizing in key swing states."
Key Contributions:
Youth Voter Engagement and Turnout
Ground Game and Voter Mobilization
Alliance with Trump and MAGA Ecosystem
ON that last point:
TPUSA evolved from a campus group into a major Trump ally, providing infrastructure for rallies, endorsements, and post-election lobbying (e.g., pushing for Trump's cabinet picks). Their efforts built on work since 2016, though 2020 was a setback; by 2024, they were seen as a "powerful grassroots machine."
I tend to focus more on the psyop/anon-level of information, so I never paid much attention to TPUSA or Charlie Kirk, as they were/are decidedly more mainstream. But, they have been thrust directly into the 'truther' space, overlapping anon space, but the recent developments, including the rise of 'controversy' in the aftermath of the Kirk murder.
However, if you step back and look at the bigger picture, a lot of things make sense. I.e. the intense attack on TPUSA, starting with the murder of Charlie Kirk. The targeting of the youth sector, particularly the young men.
While certain inflooencers proclaim they are "America First" and "Conservative", even well, 'Trump Supporters', their underlying messages are consistently 'do not trust Trump', 'the Administration has gone wrong/cannot be trusted', etc.
In my opinion, it's exceedingly important to be able to step back from the chaotic fighting and criticizing and attacking, and consider other potential explanations for how certain actors are behaving.
Trump needs the People on his side but also the Congress on his side going forward. The mid-terms are going to be a critical battle.
How would the opponents of Trump see TPUSA and Charlie Kirk? As an organization that MUST be stopped? At all costs?
Easy to imagine.
This Promethean Update goes into a lot of this, but for me the key and salient point she emphasizes is one I would like to continually impress upon all the frogs gathering at the GAW waterhole (quoting William Sargent's 1957 book "Battle for the mind":
Various types of belief can be implanted in many people, after brain function has been sufficiently disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility.
Its various group manifestations are sometimes classed under the heading of “herd instinct,” and appear most spectacularly in wartime, during severe epidemics, and in all similar periods of common danger, which increase anxiety and so individual and mass suggestibility.”
heightened suggestibility
wartime, epidemics (boy, did he call that one)
fear, anger or excitement
For anons, the last one is really important. Because most of us have broken free of the mainstream matrix, but we are very much being targeted and are also 'susceptible' to all sort of psyops because of that.
One you step outside the matrix, then it really IS 'down the rabbit hole'. You enter the middle of the battle ground of psychological operations, operations being conducted by opposing forces who have had decades and decades of practice at refining their techniques, skills, not to mention having access to huge resources that we cannot compete with.
All we have is our collective hive mind, a powerful spiritual underpinning in that God wants truth to reign in the world, and whatever levels of discernment we can muster.
Think about what Donald Trump is up against. Then think about what forces WE are up against, what intel and psychological warfare forces we have put ourselves in the line of.
How to deal with a barrage of psychological battles?
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Step back, look at the bigger picture.
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Don't just take people (aka 'actors' - inflooencers, pundits, people we think are allies, etc) at face value but also do not dismiss your own prejudices and do not downplay your own susceptibility to manipulation.
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Look for tell tale signs of psychological manipulation: sensationalism, highly emotive arguments, painted 'heroes' and 'evil enemies', polarization and the injection of divisive narratives, negative messages embedded in what looks like 80% 'friendly' narratives, etc.
If you measure what people are doing and what impact they are having by: does this ADVANCE the Donald Trump agenda, or does this negatively impact on it? you might get a clearer picture of what people's real objectives are, regardless of what they say to your face.
Because the FIRST thing the psychological manipulation does is to try to get you buried in tunnel vision. Get you buried in your own opinion, focused on one particular area to distract you from that larger picture, because the larger picture provides perspective and context that helps you to sift the signal from the noise.
End thought: I haven't looked closely at the TPUSA Amfest thing, but even a superficial view inspires me with hope. What exactly?
Conflicting views being expressed from the stage: eg. Ben Shapiro vs Tucker Carlson, vs Steve Bannon, vs Megyn Kelly, etc
That's healthy, and good. And apparently 'TPUSA defended allowing unscripted speeches to promote open debate'. I think that's actually a positive sign, although those that hate Trump and the MAGA movement will do their best to paint that as 'conflict, fracturing, downfall' (aka doomerism).
Regardless of what you think of all or any of the actors involved, I recommend putting all those opinions aside and asking the simple, basic question: Do you trust Donald Trump, and if so, what advances the mission of Donald Trump?
It's not about not having disagreements. It's about the common goals that we are actually fighting for. Unity does not come from an absence of disagreement. It comes from a willing engagement to work on and achieve common goals and shared objectives, goals that are based on first-principle priorities that truly serve a higher priority than just 'me'.
Fu*k ai
Fuck AI
fify <3
Hahaha 🙏🏼 I like your French!
Um, yeah?
(Um, u/winn, is medicine trying to say that my post is written by AI???)
No, I just hate ai and anything produced by it, you are cool 😎
Actually your comment is worrisome to me. Because the post WAS really quite long and well-written, I suspect that maybe you initially really did think his post was AI generated, as apparently 15 others did who upvoted your comment, because his post was certainly not ABOUT AI...
Fellow posters, you know some of your colleagues here are just sharp thinkers who like to think and write and are pretty good at it...right?
Looks like medicine simply reacts to the presence of anything derived from AI, whether or not the actual post itself is from carbon-based intelligence. I dunno.
It’s that the ai posts are usually people asking grok a question and the post itself takes up a significant portion of the screen.
If I wanted to see LLM responses I’d ask one but the copy/paste nature of these posts ruins the organic feel of this board and inserts dialogue that we as humans didn’t create.
If people want to post ai conversations and label it as a post, they are free to do so but my response is Fuck AI; Ai/LLM’s can’t create original anything, it just spits out what you put in based on language associations.
Asking an ai about Q or any topic that would require critical thinking, of course it’s programmed to be a gatekeeper vs information liberator.
I agree with you but do you think there’s whet kind of post this is? I didn’t think it was. Just read like a good solid post by someone who knows what he wanted to communicate and how to do so.
But .... is your response to non-ai conversations and posts ALSO "Fuck AI"?
This post is 100%, home grown, organic natural intelligence. Sure, my professional career involves writing, critical articulation of thought, not to mention a smattering of literature and linguistics, but sheesh, if your response to ANY post is Fuck AI, then heck, dude.
FWIW, if I post anything obtained from an AI, like Grok, I'll label it as such.
"So, I decided to ask Grok what it thought about the significance of TPUSA in the re-election of Donald Trump in 2024."
Grok is AI, no?
Yep, Grok is AI, and I labelled the AI stuff as such. I quoted it, merely as a departure point for my own thinking and analysis.
Exactly. Quoting AI. 😁 Nothing wrong with your post. Very thorough. U/plant medicine was just saying "fu*k AI".
Hope you had a Merry Christmas!
Aha.
OK.
This angle sheds some illumination.
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Speaking of a.i. ….
Did you notice the misspelling of influencers (inflooencers)?
Ever considered that happens so White Hat operators (4thPOG, etc..) can easily determine If they’re looking at content there own a.i. produced or if it’s human devised, friend or foe??
If you think about what it takes to produce all the content dropping every minute, all day, you can easily envision rooms full of white hat operators pounding away on keyboards in different locations all across the country and to that point, The World.
Now mix in a.i. doing its thing somewhat autonomously and you can see how White Hats would need something to help them identify, in a flash, human from a.i. content.
Not everyone on the inside is going to have the ability to be constantly plugged into a network that has the software available to easily identify these things on demand.
*Anyone else have an explanation for why this happens??
The mispelling* of inflooencers (influencers) is deliberate. (Not really a misspelling.) I am a linguist by profession, and generally speaking, understand the significance and potential power of coining phrases and terms.
So, although I have seen 'inflooencers' elsewhere, I also use that expression deliberately to indicate <ahem> influencers who (imo) are dodgy, grifty, attention-seekers and opportunists, vs sincere and professional podcasters, etc, who share their research and thinking.
You know what, now that you said that I can recall seeing it spelt that way here in the past.
*what do you think about my reasoning for a.i. possibly misspelling on purpose?
I’m spitballing, but it rings somewhat true with me🤷♂️
Ditto
None of this really explains why Erika comes out in a low-cut glitter suit to fireworks holding hands with Nikki Minaj, 3 months after her husband was publicly assassinated, becoming perhaps the most talked about event of 2025.
I dont need that explained. I dont even follow thst stuff. That operation isnt aimed at me. Im conducting my own operations to wake people up to Gods Word of truth. Without it the rest is pretry useless.
If the whole psyop thing is meant to be disclosed later, this would be foreshadowing. Just a thought.
"okay I know your husband was unexpectedly killed in front of your children and the world, but if we get you in a low cut glitter suit out on stage before Christmas with Nikki Minaj, that'll really spread the message of how the cabal is undermining American family values."
So, how would you explain it?
And can you think of other scenarios that might possibly account for it, even if they are not in agreement with your belief about it?
MAGA is a big tent that includes many different people of faith or no faith. It includes me, a Buddhist, true Christians, Christian Zionists, Catholics, Jews, agnostics, atheists, Muslims & pagans. I do acknowledge that the USA was founded as a Christian nation and have no issue with that. We were also founded on religious freedom. Makes life interesting.
🎄Merry Christmas to all! 🎄
Found an AI bot
Pfssst! 🤣👍❤️🇺🇸
"The most talked about event of 2025"! Is this mission accomplished?
I have seen so many people screaming "Erika is pusing Vance, so she must be shady". Honestly, these people have not been keeping up with what Vance has been doing. He is probably one of the few in current administration who has a good overall understanding.
Some are focused on Russia hoax, some on election fraud, some on social issues, some on financial side, but Vance is one of the few who not only understands all these points with clarity, but also understands the how they are all interconnected.
And not only does he get all this, and is in the position to defeat it, he can also. explain this to people like no one else.
There is a reason why the British Banksters recently declared that he must not be allowed to take over after Trump because then these changes will become permanent.
Im not a fan currently. Telling us to accept The Kirk assassination story, talking down to us about how he also went down every rabbit hole and conspiracy. So much so his wife was worried about him.
What in the 'im one of you' type BULLSHIT is that.
Your the damn VPOTUS and you don't know what really happened. My ass. This fucking AMFEST was an absolute train wreck.
HUSH, DOOMER! 🤣🤣🤣
I have other reasons for not trusting Vance so I really like to see him being challenged from other angles. Shit. Light is the best disinfectant, no?
Here here. Trust God, be open to questioning ourselves and everyone else.
Exactly. You cant Quest with Questioning. I learned long ago those who say don’t Question are Not to be trusted. You should ALWAYS be able to ask questions. That doesn’t mean you will get the answer you want but the act of asking questions should always be encouraged
Really dude? He doesn't know what happened? Or he cant share it publicly since its an ongoing operation? Think man!
I pick option #2: "He can't share it publicly since its an ongoing operation"!
That's the real point, isn't it? I find myself continuously reminding frogs that we are in the midst of an ongoing operation the likes of which has not been seen in recorded history. Some people are so spoiled by a lifetime of instant gratification that they won't be happy unless something happens yesterday.
Yeah no shit. My point is dont give me the 'im one of youuuu guuyyysss digging through all the conspiracies and rabbit holes'
Vance ain't it man.
Sheese, you guys still think like the lefties
Did you not understand i was quoting Vance......
Do you think the VP will release all information about an ongoing military operation? I love a good Joo bashing as any other person here, but if you want to wallow in your "All Joos Bad" at the peril of losing the real picture, thats on you.
Just remember, the last time the whole world hated Joos this badly, they got themselves a brand new country. You dont learn from history I bet. You dont understand that all these "Muh Joos did it all" is pushed by the same Zionists.
Luckily, regardless of how many people are falling for the oldest trick in the book - this time around ain't gonna happen.
Wth are you taking about. You clearly did not watch what Vance said... im not talking about jews. Holy shit
The money system.is collapsing. The money masters are about to fall. Its happening while white hats can control the direction it goes from here. That is the critical node to MAGA. Every other event is ancillary either as a catalyst or by product. The election of trump, voting machines, epstein, the borders, russia gate and every other event fall into those categories. Much of that is the deep states operations amd exposure of the people involved. In thr end, MAGA can not happen if the federal reserve isnt dismantled. The five pillars of a counter insurgency are being fought over and have all capitulated to the white hats. The rest is the unfolding publicly of the events and how theyve impacted us in the past and how they will impact us in the future. Truths we want to know for sure, but not the truths we need to know to get to MAGA.
Well said! $$ is human energy, or at least it represents human energy. Every $$ we earn represents time, effort, creativity, & labor — our energy expended in service or production.
$$ can be thought of as a storage system for human effort, our lives really — a token that records the transfer of life energy between people.
So in a sense when we spend $, we’re spending the stored hrs of our life. Anyone (bankers) who can control the issuance of $$ can control the people!
In my mind, some were exposed.
That is a good thing.
America first baby !!!
I agree with you about Vance.
Saw him last Summer at a fundraising event and he speaks well about the issues and is very quick on his feet when asked a question.
Sorry, I saw a weak leader. A strong leader would see how division is destroying the party, and have deflected attention away from it. President "Trump Was Right About Everything" Marco Rubio is the best choice for the midterms. Vance using Nicki Minaj, to accelerate his 'run for president' was not very wise.
That's your opinion and I have mine.
When we saw him it was the Summer of 2024 and before the election. He was thoughtful and answered questions and he was quick thinking on his feet.
As you I thought the same. But, fortunately Ben Shapiro exposed the true Vance. Ben is the ONLY one who got a standing ovation.
Not a fan of Ben Shapiro, at all.
Definitely will listen to Vance before I listen to Shapiro.
Hopefully, you'll stop drinking the "Kool-Aid". God bless and have a wonderful Christmas!
This is rich coming from someone listening to Ben Shapiro. Very laughable.
Merry Christmas to you, as well.
kek.
kek
WAY TOO many people are in the weeds looking for ALMOST ANYTHING and when something happens they can say: "see I told ya' I found something"... WE as PDJT Supporters, just need to get the midterms swung in the repubs direction and take care of the riff-raff that inhabits the Republican Party at ALL Levels...
In other words...clean house and sanitize the place...Have way too many wanted to make a name for themselves!!!!
Midterms are safe - 2018
Midterms are safe - 2022
Midterms are safe - 2026
I don't want to type no farther. Sooner or later.
Beautifully written, and desperately needed right now especially when it honestly seems like we've been invaded by some foreign enemy hell bent on selling us the message that to question one another about our respective theories and rationale and to question immediate narratives and allow time to better reveal the truth of a circumstance is now somehow our weakness and harmful to our mission.
I don't care if enemies from without try to put a magnifying glass on that holy activity that we all engage in here of honest questioning and discussion and try to twist it as a weakness. We know it is not a weakness. We know it is exactly what makes this place what it is.
All I can say about it right now is beware of those saying "beware" right now, because more often than not they're simply trying to get you to fall into some fucking retard line and stop thinking where others can hear you. NEVER trust that. NEVER.
I would be careful with this question though. I trust Trump at this point, but I don't trust him the way some people trust him. I trust his why, even when I disagree with his what. Never be afraid to question something Trump says or does, but I think he's certainly earned our trust of his why at this point.
I trust Jesus, and I accept Donald Trump as the person He chose to run this country at this time. Beyond that, I don't trust a soul on earth. I accept them, for what they proport to be, but if they have ulterior agendas that I didn't subscribe to, they can have their place among the satanists for all I care. And if they have sub-par ability for the office in which they've been appointed, or their sins compromise them in some way so as to throw off their godly direction, I am equally against whatever they end up becoming and where they take the country.
I literally do not give a fuck right now, any one of you can fight me on this. Go on and tell me it's ok for the NWO Skynet total surveillance state to be built on the back of illegal immigrant vetting and child prons. Go ahead tell me how it makes sense
An evil man and a good man are in a room with you. There is one gun in the room. You cant have it, so which of those men do you want in control of that gun? China and russia are building similar systems. Is our not having it stopping us from being subjected to it. Or do we build and control it? Oh, the old what if rhe bad guys win the next election? I guess if we cant pay attention to it we deserve what ever we get. Having said that, God has never let me down and i dont believe Jesus placed trump into power. I do believe God has helped trump on our behalf. Not the same thing. Ive never made man my sufficiency amd wont start now, but i want the freest cointry we can make to worship God freely in. I can tell you right now we are freer than we were 9 years ago. Espescially our minds if we choose to be. Nothing can defeat the believer but fear. Nothing.
If there's only one gun in the room? And I didn't bring it? And it's not on me? I screwed up, big.
I snerked, but the post you're replying to has a solid point.
There are many "guns" in this "room" we are in. We need to train with whichever ones suit our fighting style.
People dis AI (hereinafter referred to as LLMs) because so much low effort content is made (aka "AI slop"), but the fact of the matter is that the tool/weapon is only as good as the hand that wields it.
LLMs have no discernment, they are glorified search engines and will deliver what you ask them for. They don't know to NOT use Google and Wikipedia, so if you ask them about Fulton Co. voter fraud they'll tell you it doesn't exist. UNLESS you tell them to ignore Google and Wikipedia, and maybe include Yandex.
The above is just one simple example of how using an LLM in information warfare can be helpful. I use it regularly for looking up laws and court cases, stuff that Google (and any cursed "search engine" that uses Google results) will never show me.
Just in case I didn't make myself clear, there are many "guns" in the room, and LLMs are just one of them. I recommend Gab AI or Lumo (Proton's LLM). Gab lets you pick which LLM you want to use (there are quite a few) and train it as you like. Lumo is private and secure, but remembers NOTHING between sessions.
Good take. I personally trust Trump's why, but only to a certain extent. But he keeps rewarding my trust and that's a very unique thing. I think it's why most of us here love and support him so much, but refuse to take orders (in a sense--or just follow him blindly in lockstep) from him unless we actually agree with him (i.e. the vaccine, support of Israel, etc.).
I think there's a REASON he publicly supported the vaccine, even though I suspect he was hoping very few of us would take it. I think he's clearly fighting tooth and nail to the death with Israel behind the scenes, even though he plays so freaking nice with them in front of the camera. I would prefer a man play nice in front of the camera with the enemy and fight them behind the scenes, than fight them on camera and secretly collude with them behind the scenes, as normal politicians have done ("In front of the camera Dems and Reps pretend to hate each other, but when the cameras are off they go to the same parties and work for the same people" -Jesse Ventura).
The hard thing is sometimes is getting people to see that last part.
Many things I believe but one that can sway my vote is protecting the unborn.
I know Trump is not a pure pro-lifer. But he is the only one to get movement in our direction.
When a true believer is stonewalled and stopped. You have to doubt. When someone less than pure produces results for the first time in my life? I believe.
Nice. Pragmatic approach. I like it.
Ah, the age old (in Great Awakening years) question of 'trust'. What is trust? How does it work? What are it's impacts? What is the relationship between faith and trust? What does it mean to 'trust' someone?
Well, given the outrageously elevated view I have of my own opinion, I'm going to assert that I am ALWAYS careful about that question. So, perhaps we are in agreement?
People define 'trust' in thousands of different ways. It means different things to different people.
Side note: do you ever think about whether God trusts you? Does your spouse trust you? Your children? Your little Children? Your colleagues? Your friend or friends?
How do you feel when people do not trust, or rather, distrust you? Does it impact your relationship with them? If so, how?
Do you trust yourself? in everything? In somethings? Do you trust your spouse? If so, does this mean you have blind faith in your spouse? Blind faith that ignores everything you know about them as a person, their limitations as well as their potential for growth?
I swear, I think the most frequently used phrase on GAW over the past 5 years has been either "I do not trust <this person>" and "I trust <this person>".
Goodness, I swear, it triggers the facepalm in me. Seriously. (per peeve)
So, more on the previous question, in light of "love one another as I have loved you" - "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
So, think about it. God trusted you with: a body, his whole creation, your family, your spouse, your life, your conscience. Are you worthy of that trust? Unworthy? And, if God has trust and continues to trust you with these things, which I assert very clearly he has, does this mean that he ignores everything you do that contradicts that trust? Or does it mean he sees you both in terms of your limitations but also your potential?
So, should we strive to be towards others like God in how he trusts me?
Eloquently said, and I think that the majority of clear thinking folks on this board would strongly agree with this sentiment.
Let me flip this on its head: Never don't question what Trump says or does.
We should, imo, always be questioning what Trump does and what he says. Always. That is, if you want to support him.
Because questioning is not equal to not trusting. Questioning is a precursor to understanding. Unless you question about what Trump does and says, and why he says and does those things, you'll be stuck in the realm of a normie believer in some fake idea of who the actual man Donald Trump is.
We might even say that a lot of TDS starts not because people question what Trump is doing, but because they do NOT question what he is doing, or why. They latch onto an irrational, un-objective belief, much of it programming by this or that other programming force, and hold on to it for dear life because of the 'rewards' they consciously or unconsciously think it delivers to them: acceptance, virtue, self-validation, etc.
Perahps unlike our fren u/winn, I think it is critical and key to learn how to trust others. It is extremely difficult to truly give unconditional love unless you trust or believe in the other person in some way. That doesn't mean giving pearls to swine, and it doesn't mean blindly believing that the thief on the street isn't going to rob the next store he gets to. But it does mean believing in a person's potential to respond to God and God's love, even if that potential is buried under a ton of sin and/or pain.
OK, enough of the epistemological and ethical discussion.
What I mean is, if you believe in and support Trump as President of the US, or as you put it, his "why", then apply the question: does <this action>, <that behavior>, <this thinking>, <that narrative>, etc, advance the work that he is doing, aka his mission.
Example: Would it have advanced Trump's agenda or mission if every human being in America went out and got a Covid vax because Trump said what he said about it? I don't think so.
So we each should really be thinking, and making our own judgments about, does this advance the cause?
The conundrum here is, how well do you or I really understand 'the cause'? Right? If we do not understand what Trump is doing, how can we judge or access whether X or Y or Z is helping him, or not?
In any case, with regards to Trump, I am by and large of a similar (although perhaps not identical) sentiment to u/winn:
I hold a very powerful belief, for many, many reasons and a life time of my relationship with God, that God has chosen the man Donald Trump to accomplish a very large, critical and historical mission. So, because of my faith in God, I extend that faith to Trump, and I support him.
That certainly doesn't mean that I think Trump is perfect, cannot make mistakes, BUT I am also of the conviction that I could not stand up for 3 days under the weight and pressure of the mission that God has put in Trump's hands. Moreover, am I in a position to correctly evaluate whether anything Trump says or does is a 'mistake' or not? I can disagree, no problem, but it would be utter hubris to believe that I know better than Donald Trump what Donald Trump should do. I might think I know, OK, but humility requires that I accept that in fact I do not, or cannot.
In short, he has his responsibility, and I have mine. As long as I can execute my responsibility faithfully, then good luck to him. It's OK for me to believe in him or trust that he will do the best he can, to the limit of his ability.
I guess for me, the real, critical question is this: With what sort of heart should I approach the man who has been given, and is carrying, the sort of weight that I believe Trump has been given?
Humility is an important start. And, I should try to see him as God sees him, faults and all, limitations and all, and greatness and all. If I can align my view of Trump, or anyone, with God's view, then I'm in good company. While admitting the limitations I am faced with, its nonetheless something I believe is worth striving for.
Maybe a better question would have been, "are you willing to entrust Trump with the role and responsibilities of POTUS? If so, then you'd better darn support him, and then perhaps consider and evaluate things, people, behaviors, narratives and rhetoric on the basis of whether they are actually helping him, or hurting him, in that responsibility."
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I'll keep this short my fren. I trust Trump so far as he advances the mission he claimed to advance. I am not ignorant of King Sauls or Solomons.
If the Great Awakening misfires into the Great One World Digital Prison, I can firmly say that either:
something went wrong, or:
it was a Great Deception all along.
Next point:
questioning Trump and/or his admin should be the equivalent of supporting him (barring obviously stupid questions such as the MSM likes to throw). If the Plan to save the world encourages critical thinking, then my stance should be the default, and Trump, in his 5d chess, would be making moves with that in mind.
Even Jesus said if you don't believe Him, believe His works.
So anyways in a 5gw psyop war you can pretty much toss the "believe me" out the window and all we really have are the works, or actions, the direction of things.
If the direction of things looks to be going into a totally different direction than what we were told at the start of the journey, it's our job to sound the alarm. And that alarm is not a threat to good-faith Trump admin—only to bad. It would be welcomed by good-faith. "Hey, course-correct now! Traps ahead."
The obvious question here is whether your original perception of 'the mission he claimed to advance' is the same as his perception of the same (aka his definition), and if that is indeed accurate.
If you misunderstood his purpose and mission, and supported him based on that misinterpretation, then you might choose to:
revise your view of what mission he has claimed to advance
revise your support for his work
Consider whether its not DJT or his admin that requires course correction, but yourself
In a general way, I agree with that. Blind belief or blind obedience are only helpful when someone or something is in a stage of infancy.
Well, I think more accurately, all we really have is [our perception] of the works, or actions, aka the direction of things
From a moral standpoint, we are responsible to make our decisions based on what we perceive, but we can never really discount the unalterable fact that ultimately, my perception might be flawed, and either way, I'm responsible for my decision and choices.
If you are critical of DJT, for example, because your perception is that he is going in a different direction to what (you thought) you were promised, then that's a moral choice, and one a moral stance requires being self-responsible for.
Although its not particularly articulated, I think I probably have a less rigid view of what I thought or think DJT should be doing. But this is also (I think) because I view him and his role within a larger framework of perception about the direction of the world, where God wants it to go, and a recognition that we, the human race, are in uncharted territory.
I'm always trying to perceive the edge of my understanding. The edge of my understanding is like a horizon that constantly changes and evolves (if you will allow the expression) as I walk closer to it, and as it unfolds, while I move forward, that horizon is always out ahead of me and is not something I can ever fully arrive at.
Note: I'm not saying that a more rigid view or less rigid view is better. I'm simply comparing and contrasting what and where our views seem to differ.
On a tangential note, I'll mention that I believe God has always known and understood the potential for the level of tech we are now approaching and which is now becoming part of our experience on all levels. But like anything in creation, the issue is not the tech, the object, the thing, but who wields it, controls it, and for what they use it.
Ultimately, I don't think this is in Trump's hands. It is, in fact, in the hands of collective humanity, and the direction it goes in is determined by who well we rise up to our God-given responsibility.
So, whether you are right or wrong, in your perception of what is happening, of what should be happening, of what you think was promised, etc, the fact that you are investing effort to make a moral decision based on your own perception, this can only be a good thing that advances the cause. Even if you are wrong. And as long as you don't do anything too stupid. (Like dye your hair blue, or sumting.) (But also if you are right, obviously.)
That's all for now.
(Lord, does what I've written even make sense? sigh.)
I think for me the question is: Do you trust that Trump is playing a complicated game with an end goal that you agree with and that sometimes, the moves he makes might not make sense in the moment but that doesn't mean the game is over, that he's lost it, or that he's gone Benedict Arnold on us?
And up until now that answer has most certainly been yes for me.
Yeah, I got a yes on that too.
When trump is mentioned it is the people behind trump we mean. Tjey started this and have done one hell of a job. Its the train we are on and our only option unless you want to go backwards. Youve actually no choice but to trust him even if u dont agree with his methods if your goal is freedom. Seriously, where else you going to go? In the end, it will be our prayers and trust in God that bring this about.
Agreed. The nuance here is when things like the vaccine comes up and we see him recommend getting it or claiming to have gotten it himself. It's strange, but I actually trusted that he was doing that for a reason and that reason was NOT that we would take it too. The whole thing felt tongue in cheek to me. All said with a wink and a nod to his base, who he knows isn't the mindless hoard the media tries to paint us as (talk about irony).
Fundamentally, this is 100% true.
But I also think that when God chooses someone for a key mission, he also requires faith in that person. The Israelites needed to have faith in Moses, who stood as God's representative for the mission of [journey to the promised land]. When the first generation failed to have faith, the second generation had to complete it.
If you look at the old Testament from this perspective, you can see that it is simply a history of God continually working to try to get his people to belief, have faith, and unite with the anointed person.
In other words, if God has chosen Trump to lead America to be Great Again, then how much the people support and unite with him might be the real factor as to whether he can fulfill that goal.
As far as I can see in scripture, God anoints, but then leaves it up to his children to decide in the end, where they will go. We have a responsibility, which I fully agree is ultimately to trust in God, but we do that on the concrete plane by trusting the people he chooses.
(Of course, recognizing who he has chosen, that's the real challenge, ain't it?)
Personally, if I think there are people behind Trump, I think there is God behind these people. In my course of life I've found that in some cases, my faith is required even when I do not understand, and that when I hold my faith, eventually understanding catches up.
I'm pretty confident that God wants me to support DJT, even if I do not fully understand everything he's doing. (I mean, how could I? I'm not the fricken potus)
so real
🔥🔥🔥Thanks for posting! I really like the ladies from Promethean Action!🔥🔥
I view the Erika Kirk and Candace as white noise. I read the stories coming out on all fronts —Venezuela, no Christmas parades in Germany, France…, MTG, Rob Reiner, etc and file it away for future reference. It’s all part of puzzle that is still being snapped into place. It’s not exactly clear how significant each piece is but it has an effect on the complete story that is unfolding. President Trump is my steadying point. So if someone supports him —great—but they may not tomorrow. It’s mercurial. I do reserve the right to question President Trump when new information comes out but I have always found his results regardless of method, to be favorable for our country.
Healthy perspective.
The Trump/Vance Derangement Syndrome patients were triggered hard by Vice President Vance andNikki Mejia. The TDS sufferers are crying foul because Nikki is an illgeal she should be deported. Yet she says she has paid millions and millions of dollars in taxes. This is what the left misses, if you come to our country,y you need to contribute as much as the American taxpayer does. Not be a drain on the system.
I found it interesting that Vance said out loud what white people are thinking inside. I do not believe in White Power. But I am in the camp that Whites need to be proud of who they are. As far as that goes, any person, no matter the color of their skin, should be proud of who they are. God gives us grace; you should give yourself grace. FYI, this is not Ai, my brain power wrote this. I did use autocorrect .✨😂✨
Thanks Frac
It seems the "universe" is telling us to be aware of the psychological operations schtick...
If you really "listen" - because it's always subtle and in the background - behind the constant yapping of "the little dog of the machine" - you can hear it.
For instance, these types of subtle COMs tend to come in waves. We have Promethean Action, your post here and EKO, here: https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARdRH3P44/eko-the-glitch--how-dr-seuss-and/c/ all telling us to be aware of the machine trying to exploit human psychology - using "military grade" tactics.
This is why, like you mentioned in your closing statement, that taking the 40,000 foot view - pulling yourself back from the hunkered down, zoomed in view, is critical - to make sure you're not just being corralled yet again, with whatever shock and awe operation is currently en vogue...
Cheers
I could not have said it better myself.
So I won't.
Updoogle.
This is a good post. I've been awake since Ruby Ridge, Waco and OKC. My views have evolved several times over the years as I learned more ie; the jews did it, the catholics did it, the muslims did it, the luciferians did it. I've watched the tricks played out by those who are blatantly against us and those who are controlled opposition.
You are correct. Its very important to stand back and look at the big picture to ascertain if certain "conservative " voices are helping the overall cause or trying to tear it down. Saying things like "I'm never voting again until they do this" is a dead giveaway. Only the enemy (the devil) would want to take your voice (vote) out of the equation.
This is truly a battle of good and evil and every dirty trick of the devil is employed. Our Lord says to ask and you shall receive. I highly recommend bringing one's self low before God and asking for wisdom and discernment. Its really the only way to be able to sift the truth amongst the mountains of disinformation.
Be blessed brothers and sisters. 🙏
Very good comment!
Turning Point USA is jewish, not funded by Charlie Kirk, and it's mind-control deception.
Satanic, for short.
As little as a year ago I never thought MAGA would be so divided. But I digress!
I think that is because that transparency is required because with absence of it that causes more questions.
In the movie Snake Eyes Charlie Kirkland is assassinated who is the defense secretary ringside.
But there is a lot wrong with what transpired as there are many involved to make this happen. As the mystery thriller progresses it shows that many were in the loop of a grand conspiracy for the assassination to take place. It took many actors to make this happen and it wasn't just a lone shooter.
Until someone has the real proof, it is just speculation and it is a dividing force within MAGA. Jus sayin
I don't believe you're a real poster. Here we don't claim we're divided when we debate. Who are you and what are you doing here?
Yeah you’re not a real poster. I went through your last like 100 replies. They’re all about the same length, end with an exclamation point or a phrase any idiot who’s dove a little research knows is popular here (like “kek”, horrible time to use it by the way), and obviously push a very simplistic and extreme viewpoint on a very unarmed set of general topics. You’re a bot or a glowie and you don’t being here. Jesus just look at how you responded to me just now. Hitting deport again. Gonna let the mods take another look.
We aren't. Anybody who has been MAGA for long enough knows we have always engaged in healthy debate with one another. Us doing so now does not mean we are divided. The more I see posts that say MAGA is divided because of Candace and Erika, the more I suspect Israeli intelligence has entered our ranks.
I see you, bitch. I see every post you make. I see the angle. I've already gotten a couple of you banned by having the mods take a closer look at their intent. I'm gonna give them another chance to do that now with you too.
I trust Q. I trust Trump only up to a point. I trust him to play the role Q assigned him in removing the globalist cabal. However, what comes after the globalists are removed is another matter entirely. Remember, the French removed the aristocracy and got Napoleon in the bargain. For the post globalist order, I think Trump has wide latitude to implement his own policies free from directives by the military, and unfortunately I think Trump sees America through the eyes of a billionaire rather than through the eyes of an ordinary American.
So I think it is our civic duty to remind Trump when he starts heading off the rails. Not every policy of his is correct. And I am confident the Q operation will not suffer no matter how much popular support or dissent Trump gets. They wouldn't have put this much effort into the plan to gamble it all on my belief. My assistance is obviously not required to make it work. So I will argue my conscious when it comes to Trump's policies. If I agree with them, I'll support him. If I don't, I'll argue against it. Trump was elected to serve us, not the other way around. And that only works when we're honest about what we demand for the country.
And abominations like the Trump Gold Card certainly aren't anything that I view as being good for America.
Well done. Some things just have to wait for the credits to untangle. What I like about the Promethian ladies is they look at the mission. The real mission.
The excitement thing makes total sense. How many times have we seen someone say something in support of trump or take a positive stand on an issue. Give a sharp presentation ercetera and people start genuflecting at their altar just to watch them crash amd burn exposed as an anti trumper, rino or just some self promoting fool. I could give a list of people who some called for to run as trumps vice president and hated JD etc. After 9 Years of careful observation you can document then entire spectrum having happened right here in GAW. I am beginning to think GAW is a controlled test bed of ideas psychologically teaching thrm what does and doesnt work.
Does anyone remember I think her name is Dr. Halper? She is a behavioral psychiatrist who helped plan trumps first campaign messaging. She ran some stuff in england amd I believe designed much of rhe original psychological messaging amd timing of release of information.
Thanks for an excellent article. Getting upset about various divisive articles is not the way to go. I especially liked the reminder that Charlie Kirk advocated for open debate, and it’s nice to see his organization is still supporting that. It makes sense the dark side would target TPUSA since they are so effective at getting young people to hear the MAGA side of the debates, and effective at helping young people connect to GOD.
I heard a discussion yesterday about Charlie Kirk, Am fest and TP USA that got me wondering if the Character Assassination (a known tactic of the Left) of Nick Fuentes was an earlier operation in the same campaign that killed Charlie?
Nick also had a large influence and draw among the Campus Kids.
He however had enough extreme aspects to his platform (according to what they have promulgated). That the mainstream right pretty much exiled him. Were we tricked into that?
She also said that Jeffrey Epstein had nothing to do with pedophilia, that the "Qanon" conspiracy theory was not true. Do we believe her?
Either you know the rruth of it or you dont. Thats her opinion. She isnt a Q insider, candace isnt, pool isnt, dave isnt... too many sources cause confusion and thats what i see in most people in here. People cant even bore down to the critical nodes of info that actually matter. The real info is a bit more boring.
Yep
Who is "we"?
Does truth exist due to consensus? If you are asking or thinking "what do we believe?" are you actually seeking validation by consensus or by the fact that others reach the same conclusion as you?
Asking for a fren.
In any case, she didn't say "Epstein had nothing to do with pedophilia". She did emphasize that certain impressions and beliefs, which in general, the Q movement (which they know as "Qanon", even though we ourselves draw a clear distinction (<ahem> usually, but not always) between Q and Anons) has promoted, are not or may not be an accurate picture of the situation.
Q emphasized freedom of thought, escaping from group think and critical thinking, vs dogma or other such restrictive mental structures.
In light of what has unfolded in the past years since Q stopped posting, especially in the Trump administration, I think its perfectly OK to re-evaluate what we believed about Epstein. In other words, what Trump has been saying, how the Epstein saga has been playing out, the impact it has been having, etc.
Right now, we have a post on the board for a cast by Mike Benz about the 'key to Epstein' aka his role in the black financial dealings of the globalist Cabal.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ARdRH1CGy/mike-benz-on-youtube-the-key-to-/c/
She also indicated that Epstein was preoccupied with young women, rather than children. We know from testimony, etc, that this is true, including underage women, but is the idea that Epstein was a full bore pedo and peddling pedo activity (aka actual pre-puberty children) to elites, is this Q? Or is it anon? Or is it Qanon?
It's a valid question. It would be contradictory to the Q project for us to say, "Oh, we've always believed X about Epstein, therefore even when other evidence comes to the fore, we're gonna reject other views because.... this is our belief!"
If you or I or us collectively as a community are not willing to re-evalute or question our previous conclusions despite new evidence, information and facts, then that's a problem.
In any case, what she actually said (not what you said she said) made a lot of sense to me.
This is exactly WHY the 72 hour rule is so important. Not only will more info be forthcoming in the next 72 hours, but this also gives ample time for the emotions to settle down.
Have you noticed that YouTube deletes any information on Stoicism as quickly as it finds it? Now you know why.
My Mother was a beautiful woman. Men would give her the world and she would destroy them with a smile. Very few survived my mother and one even tied her up to a tree in the Forest with chains. He did call someone to get her.
The manipulation my Mother had was almost as high as AI. I still think my mother was more intelligent than ai.
I do not pay much attention to the world either or main stream... when I watch movies and such I see so much propaganda and this goes back to old movies too.
My mother is what did this to me though. I would learn how to not trigger her and I lived with her the longest out of all my brothers and her husbands. I would always try and help her but I left with nothing and moved across the country. We can not help others to the effect it has no evidence of getting better. She would open the door as I was driving and threaten to jump out at times. I learned to say things like.. go ahead and do it. cya later. She was the woke mind virus way before it was mainstream.
When I see that person who sings WAP sitting in front of Charlie Kirks wife... Honestly I see my Mother multiplied. I forced myself to listen to the WAP one and what she said was mostly correct. My mother would say things that were mostly correct and once she had the control again. BAM it was like we need to find a tree and a chain. Police would see it occasionally over the years and ask me if she was OK... No one can understand unless they see it.... pure evil with beauty in Nevada is like watching the Pinhead dancing in a toto and only you see Pinhead because your mom is Pinhead. Just imagine my Mother with millions of dollars and in the spot light. wow that would be scary....
one of her Husbands, the one who helped me make better sense of the world. A Cattle Rancher who owned Oil in Texas... Said she would die alone and no one would realize it for some time... She did die a lone in a trailer and her cat ate her in Nevada.
We do not need AI to guide us as a god. We do not need a WAP singer trying to take control again....
What we DO NEED is people who God has given the gifts as Charlie Kirk has to stand up. The evil side of this like Dave Chapel is standing up again and proclaiming their endeavors. Hope you understand.