That would just force "secret societies" to actually be secret, and not just "behind closed doors".
Like, how many people in Govt. are members of the Illuminati (or perhaps a descendent of that organization)? Who knows, because the very existence of the society is actually a secret.
And what is a "secret society" anyways? Is it the CFR? The CFR is constructed exactly like a secret society, but it doesn't call itself a secret society. It does however have a huge influence on public policy. What about any other "Think Tank?" Those are also secret societies in all but name.
The problem is not in "questionable virtues and loyalties" of the people in our government, the problem is that we have a system of government that has Sovereign Power over a vassal We The People. The US Govt claims the Sovereign Right to Rule over Us. It accomplishes its fuckery through fraudulent claims of Jurisdiction over our Individual Jurisdiction. Our biggest problem is that we believe our "Constitutional Republic" is "good" at it's core, when in fact these Jurisdictional frauds are built into it from the beginning.
The solution is not some EO, or law, or even Constitutional Amendment. The solution is for We The People to choose a new form of government, one that recognizes our Sovereign Nature and clearly acknowledges our Jurisdiction, which cannot be infringed by any non-fraudulent government.
Once people understand their Jurisdiction and their Ultimate Authority (Sovereignty) over it, no tyrannical government can possibly exist.
Especially if the "secret societies" definition is either too specific that the targets we are trying to catch slip through the net, or too vague that an unacceptable number of innocent organizations and people get wrongfully targeted.
Came here to say more or less what you did, but I wanted to add that even if the definition is strict, it can be broadened by later redefinitions or court rulings.
Absolutely. Maybe a little hard to enforce. But for sure, no dual citizenship. They need to make the natural born citizen requirement for president more clear that it is born in the USA of two native born US citizens.
According to the key reference of international law in use at the time, the definition of "natural born" was to be born of two national citizens. The parents could be native or naturalized. Location of birth was not germane. The object was to prevent any inherited allegiance or obligation to a foreign power.
Privacy is an important right, especially in conjunction with the right to association.
And who decides what is and isn't a "Secret Society"?
The key here isn't a law or an EO, it's investigative journalism. If people want to get back to the days where candidates where under a serious microscope, start opening up your pocket book to the few genuinely good investigative reporting entities out there (Like OMG).
Investigative journalism is extremely expensive to do with unpredictable returns on investment. It's one of the reasons big capital investors are reluctant to fund those groups and would rather sink their money into click bait operations. So grass roots support is the only real option.
If you fund groups like OMG, more will appear to take down the powerful.
The last thing we need is another law impacting people's privacy. Plenty of those already.
This 100%. Anyone here asking for the government to pass an EO effectively banning secret societies, either A) isn't thinking it all the way through, or B) lacks vital critical thinking skills.
Isn't Q a secret society? What I mean is that freedom of association requires the freedom to meet people without being tracked. The founding fathers of the American Revolution held secret meetings. Q is a group that requires secrecy or it would not exist.
no, we're really not that secret, and anyone can join. It's societies like freemasons where the upper tiers have this secret knowledge only members have. Q has no secret knowledge, we try to share all we know.
Some of the stuff fraternities do needs to be exposed to the light of day.
It's like gateway drugs, and blackmail - here's a sample of a new world, and BTW, if you reveal anything, you will be embarrassed and shamed for the rest of your life.
And the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Jesuit trained Adam Weishaupt in 1776 began infiltrating the Freemasonic lodges throughout Europe.
A Mason in Europe wrote letters to Washington warning him of this and asking if it was happening in America and Washington said it wasn't.
It seems as though this Luciferian strain of Freemasonry began with Weishaupt and crept into the lodges, creating a secret society within a secret society.
We shouldn't view the Masonic founders of the country in the same light as the Illuminati masons. I believe American masonry was corrupted well after the revolution.
Jefferson was a deist, who tore apart the Christian Bible & made his own version.
Ben Franklin was head of 2x Masonic Lodges (Nine Muses in France & Philadelphia), who claimed to be Christian when it was convenient for him, but spent more time in brothels than in the Church.
George Washington put himself on the same level, if not higher, than the Lord God (check the Rotunda's ceiling painting). His motto was "Exitus acta probat", or "the end justifies the means".
Freemasonry at the core, even before the Illuminati's infiltration, has been about MAN BECOMING GOD. The "Luciferian" strain did not begin with Weishaupt. Freemasonry is ANCIENT. They call themselves the "Philosophers of FIRE", who have gained intellect through help of "PROMETHEUS". Their goal is to "square the circle" & become God-men. 360 degrees is perfection...
Freemasonry had been at war with the Illuminati, publicly, since the 1200s, way before any public sect of Illuminati was created. This was when the world order at the time, led by the Pope & Kings of England & France, attacked the Templar & killed their leader DeMolay.
Weishaupt was taught by Illuminati priests, then killed by Illuminati forces for taking their teachings public.
over 99% people lack the understanding of why the Masonic Founding Fathers actually created the USA. It was to give an example to the common man all around the world, that they too, could take down their own kings & despots, to then create their own "USA". The caveat to this though, is that the Masons who studied human psychology, knew that man would eventually become complacent & GIVE AWAY THESE FREEDOMS. This would then open the door for Masons worldwide to "infiltrate" the governments high positions, ultimately allowing Masonry to rule the world without worrying of kings, queens & despots.
The creation of the USA, was really nothing more than an opportunity for the profane, or common man, to do the dirty work FOR the lodge, unbeknowingly. We the people have been stuck between the Illuminati & the Lodge for quite some time, being pulled from one side to the other without even knowing who our "leaders" really are, Trump & Q included.
Just as so many "Christians" fail to see who their savior REALLY was. He DID curse the fig tree. He DID get angry at the money changers & flip their table.
Lazy people THINK they know who they are dealing with, yet fail to KNOW who they are dealing with.
It is a matter of fact that America has a Masonic founding. But too many people from PDW and here still blindly think the Constitution and the freedoms it protects are a Christian thing, and till this day maintains that their rights come from the God of Israel.
Knowing that it is not Christian, this in turn shows how little Christianity has actually achieved. Ever since Christianity was usurped by Rome starting with the Council of Nicea there have always been despotism and violence, and not a single time of unity or peace.
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. - Jefferson (1781-1783), Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVII
And the real reason for England's breakup from the Catholic Church was not disagreements with Rome on the Christian doctrines, but to allow the King to make an authority (i.e. a Pope) out of himself - the "Divine Right of Kings" doctrine that was proven to be only destructive. This is what led to the beheading of King Charles I of England, and what gave Sweden its worst defeat under King Charles XII.
Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian. – Jefferson (1822), in his letter to Benjamin Waterhouse
The Christian virtues inculcated by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount are nowhere exemplified in the Christian world [...] Meanwhile the vices which coarse-mouthed slanderers have attributed to Paganism, are current everywhere among Christian Fathers and Christian Churches. – Blavatsky (1877), Isis Unveiled
And one of the reasons the Masons made it was that it was backed by popular will:
The Pennsylvania legislature, who, on a proposition to make the belief in God a necessary qualification for office, rejected it by a great majority, although assuredly there was not a single atheist in their body. And you remember to have heard, that when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, "the author of our holy religion," which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them. – Jefferson (1817), in his letter to Albert Gallatin
The Early United States was essentially a group of Masons leading a Christian population, which was no easy task. The presidency of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and others, were not without opposition. This is the same challenge faced by Q today – a militant organization that is actively dismantling the most sinister institutions in the World. Though we do not know for sure Q is Christian, they need support from Christians to complete their goal, as seen in their faint referrals to Christianity: "God" , "Biblical".
The president doesn't 'pass' Executive Orders. The President just decrees them like a King or a Dictator. Federal Courts (think Hawaiian Judge) can declare them unconstitutional.
I think most or all of secret societies are evil, and the need for secrecy is because they are up to something most people would find abhorrent.
However, I don't see any way you can tell people they can't meet and then not tell others about it.
Great idea. Also,
No one with "dual citizenship" allowed to hold public office.
No one with a foreign title like "esquire".
If we want lawyers to represent us in the United States, we have to jettison the BAR and use our own licensing procedure.
No. He should not do this. What's to stop Biden from doing an EO against those who affiliate with Q and Anons? Q/Anons are living in an alternate reality and a danger to society.
Do you see where this is misguided thinking?
And another thing, can someone please point to EO in the constitution? What gives the Executive branch the authority to Legislate?
Possibly at some point in the future. Consider the possibility that there may be good secret societies formed to counter the evil ones, and that some of those people may be in strategic places throughout the government to hold the line until the time comes to shine a light on the darkness.
What is a secret society? What if the secret society was formed to purge all of the corruption in our country? Asking the federal government to solve any issue is something that should always be done with great care. Think of how an EO like this could be abused.
at one point in time, Christianity was a secret society. but i do understand what you mean. take Freemasonry for example, who in their dozen & dozens of oaths, swear allegiance to the Order over any country they belong to, under penalty of death.
so it's Lodge > their nation's Constitution. if the Lodge really wanted to, they could claim freedom of religion.
so the only real way that i see to "ban" societies & orders that have communist & totalitarian agendas, is to FULLY EXPOSE THEM WITH TRUTHS.
don't actively attack them, let them exist, until they cave under social pressures for being who & what they are.
the same for all the puppet organizations of the Illuminati, such as the WEF, Skull & Bones, CFR, etc.
Expose them for what & who they are, but do so only with TRUTH
That would just force "secret societies" to actually be secret, and not just "behind closed doors".
Like, how many people in Govt. are members of the Illuminati (or perhaps a descendent of that organization)? Who knows, because the very existence of the society is actually a secret.
And what is a "secret society" anyways? Is it the CFR? The CFR is constructed exactly like a secret society, but it doesn't call itself a secret society. It does however have a huge influence on public policy. What about any other "Think Tank?" Those are also secret societies in all but name.
The problem is not in "questionable virtues and loyalties" of the people in our government, the problem is that we have a system of government that has Sovereign Power over a vassal We The People. The US Govt claims the Sovereign Right to Rule over Us. It accomplishes its fuckery through fraudulent claims of Jurisdiction over our Individual Jurisdiction. Our biggest problem is that we believe our "Constitutional Republic" is "good" at it's core, when in fact these Jurisdictional frauds are built into it from the beginning.
The solution is not some EO, or law, or even Constitutional Amendment. The solution is for We The People to choose a new form of government, one that recognizes our Sovereign Nature and clearly acknowledges our Jurisdiction, which cannot be infringed by any non-fraudulent government.
Once people understand their Jurisdiction and their Ultimate Authority (Sovereignty) over it, no tyrannical government can possibly exist.
Yes Masons are corrupt. But to ask for the federal government to carry out an effective ban on "secret societies" is so damn foolish.
Especially if the "secret societies" definition is either too specific that the targets we are trying to catch slip through the net, or too vague that an unacceptable number of innocent organizations and people get wrongfully targeted.
Came here to say more or less what you did, but I wanted to add that even if the definition is strict, it can be broadened by later redefinitions or court rulings.
Absolutely. Maybe a little hard to enforce. But for sure, no dual citizenship. They need to make the natural born citizen requirement for president more clear that it is born in the USA of two native born US citizens.
According to the key reference of international law in use at the time, the definition of "natural born" was to be born of two national citizens. The parents could be native or naturalized. Location of birth was not germane. The object was to prevent any inherited allegiance or obligation to a foreign power.
But only with Israel, for the vast majority. What's that all about?
Stop noticing things, goy
Money. How else would Israel convice us to give them tax money and military equipment. The whole formation of that country is a deep rabbit hole.
I have to disagree here vehemently.
Privacy is an important right, especially in conjunction with the right to association.
And who decides what is and isn't a "Secret Society"?
The key here isn't a law or an EO, it's investigative journalism. If people want to get back to the days where candidates where under a serious microscope, start opening up your pocket book to the few genuinely good investigative reporting entities out there (Like OMG).
Investigative journalism is extremely expensive to do with unpredictable returns on investment. It's one of the reasons big capital investors are reluctant to fund those groups and would rather sink their money into click bait operations. So grass roots support is the only real option.
If you fund groups like OMG, more will appear to take down the powerful.
The last thing we need is another law impacting people's privacy. Plenty of those already.
This 100%. Anyone here asking for the government to pass an EO effectively banning secret societies, either A) isn't thinking it all the way through, or B) lacks vital critical thinking skills.
Isn't Q a secret society? What I mean is that freedom of association requires the freedom to meet people without being tracked. The founding fathers of the American Revolution held secret meetings. Q is a group that requires secrecy or it would not exist.
u/#q60 u/#q24
Are you initiated? Are you bound to secrecy by threat of death? Did you pledge an oath? Is Q a secret?
no, we're really not that secret, and anyone can join. It's societies like freemasons where the upper tiers have this secret knowledge only members have. Q has no secret knowledge, we try to share all we know.
Join what exactly?
Hardly secret. Q has been posted all over the internet - I found out about Q in early 2018 on an automotive site.
Having several Q boards shut down by the DS doesn't make Q a secret. More like an existential threat to the DS.
Yes, but by that logic, pizza gate is also posted around the internet. doesn't make it any less secretive and nefarious.
Q is not a secret society, it's military intelligence.
So count the Founding Fathers out. You just suggested eliminating several constitutional rights. You get that, right?
It would be hard to exclude fraternities
Some of the stuff fraternities do needs to be exposed to the light of day.
It's like gateway drugs, and blackmail - here's a sample of a new world, and BTW, if you reveal anything, you will be embarrassed and shamed for the rest of your life.
All boils down to Mind Control
The first amendment probably protects the rights of people to gather in non-public organizations so an EO would be useless.
Yes!
throw in foreign born and dual citizenship bans on public service
Who gets to define whar constitutes a "secret society?"
Exactly...
Nah.
To quote u/Anandamide:
Jefferson was a deist, who tore apart the Christian Bible & made his own version.
Ben Franklin was head of 2x Masonic Lodges (Nine Muses in France & Philadelphia), who claimed to be Christian when it was convenient for him, but spent more time in brothels than in the Church.
George Washington put himself on the same level, if not higher, than the Lord God (check the Rotunda's ceiling painting). His motto was "Exitus acta probat", or "the end justifies the means".
Freemasonry at the core, even before the Illuminati's infiltration, has been about MAN BECOMING GOD. The "Luciferian" strain did not begin with Weishaupt. Freemasonry is ANCIENT. They call themselves the "Philosophers of FIRE", who have gained intellect through help of "PROMETHEUS". Their goal is to "square the circle" & become God-men. 360 degrees is perfection...
Freemasonry had been at war with the Illuminati, publicly, since the 1200s, way before any public sect of Illuminati was created. This was when the world order at the time, led by the Pope & Kings of England & France, attacked the Templar & killed their leader DeMolay.
Weishaupt was taught by Illuminati priests, then killed by Illuminati forces for taking their teachings public.
over 99% people lack the understanding of why the Masonic Founding Fathers actually created the USA. It was to give an example to the common man all around the world, that they too, could take down their own kings & despots, to then create their own "USA". The caveat to this though, is that the Masons who studied human psychology, knew that man would eventually become complacent & GIVE AWAY THESE FREEDOMS. This would then open the door for Masons worldwide to "infiltrate" the governments high positions, ultimately allowing Masonry to rule the world without worrying of kings, queens & despots.
The creation of the USA, was really nothing more than an opportunity for the profane, or common man, to do the dirty work FOR the lodge, unbeknowingly. We the people have been stuck between the Illuminati & the Lodge for quite some time, being pulled from one side to the other without even knowing who our "leaders" really are, Trump & Q included.
Just as so many "Christians" fail to see who their savior REALLY was. He DID curse the fig tree. He DID get angry at the money changers & flip their table.
Lazy people THINK they know who they are dealing with, yet fail to KNOW who they are dealing with.
It is a matter of fact that America has a Masonic founding. But too many people from PDW and here still blindly think the Constitution and the freedoms it protects are a Christian thing, and till this day maintains that their rights come from the God of Israel.
Knowing that it is not Christian, this in turn shows how little Christianity has actually achieved. Ever since Christianity was usurped by Rome starting with the Council of Nicea there have always been despotism and violence, and not a single time of unity or peace.
And the real reason for England's breakup from the Catholic Church was not disagreements with Rome on the Christian doctrines, but to allow the King to make an authority (i.e. a Pope) out of himself - the "Divine Right of Kings" doctrine that was proven to be only destructive. This is what led to the beheading of King Charles I of England, and what gave Sweden its worst defeat under King Charles XII.
And one of the reasons the Masons made it was that it was backed by popular will:
The Early United States was essentially a group of Masons leading a Christian population, which was no easy task. The presidency of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and others, were not without opposition. This is the same challenge faced by Q today – a militant organization that is actively dismantling the most sinister institutions in the World. Though we do not know for sure Q is Christian, they need support from Christians to complete their goal, as seen in their faint referrals to Christianity: "God" , "Biblical".
The president doesn't 'pass' Executive Orders. The President just decrees them like a King or a Dictator. Federal Courts (think Hawaiian Judge) can declare them unconstitutional.
I think most or all of secret societies are evil, and the need for secrecy is because they are up to something most people would find abhorrent.
However, I don't see any way you can tell people they can't meet and then not tell others about it.
and from voting.
Like what they are doing to church goers and other things deemed to straight or Christian?
Why not follow the first and second amendments? Oath of office, and rules of laws that have been established and previously upheld?
They commit crimes we need to just enforce those with a proper checks and balance system.
Will this include Lawyers?
Well we have the right of free association, so it's a non starter...
Great idea. Also, No one with "dual citizenship" allowed to hold public office.
No one with a foreign title like "esquire".
If we want lawyers to represent us in the United States, we have to jettison the BAR and use our own licensing procedure.
No. He should not do this. What's to stop Biden from doing an EO against those who affiliate with Q and Anons? Q/Anons are living in an alternate reality and a danger to society.
Do you see where this is misguided thinking?
And another thing, can someone please point to EO in the constitution? What gives the Executive branch the authority to Legislate?
The shadow state has and will exist forever Wether for the good or bad (I root for the good shadow state).
The problem is if we know about it, it’s not a secret.
If we don’t know about it, we can’t enforce it.
How about dual citizenship?
Passing new laws does nothing when current existing laws are not enforced.
He couldn't impose this on elected officials but perhaps the hired beurocrats. The aclu would sue immediately too.
Great idea.
You are 100% correct and the responses on this thread are very informative.
Possibly at some point in the future. Consider the possibility that there may be good secret societies formed to counter the evil ones, and that some of those people may be in strategic places throughout the government to hold the line until the time comes to shine a light on the darkness.
No lawyers would be a good start too
but if they're in a secret society, it is a secret. How could you ban them. Unless you count the "public" secret societies, like the masons.
Or just ban secret oaths.
We are One Nation Under God.
Ban Satanist/Satanism.
Problems solved
What is a secret society? What if the secret society was formed to purge all of the corruption in our country? Asking the federal government to solve any issue is something that should always be done with great care. Think of how an EO like this could be abused.
I'd rather have a constitutional amendment barring those with dual citizenship, honestly...
Conflict of interest is all I'm saying.
Also anyone who has any other citizenship
at one point in time, Christianity was a secret society. but i do understand what you mean. take Freemasonry for example, who in their dozen & dozens of oaths, swear allegiance to the Order over any country they belong to, under penalty of death. so it's Lodge > their nation's Constitution. if the Lodge really wanted to, they could claim freedom of religion.
so the only real way that i see to "ban" societies & orders that have communist & totalitarian agendas, is to FULLY EXPOSE THEM WITH TRUTHS.
don't actively attack them, let them exist, until they cave under social pressures for being who & what they are.
the same for all the puppet organizations of the Illuminati, such as the WEF, Skull & Bones, CFR, etc.
Expose them for what & who they are, but do so only with TRUTH