I can’t help but like him. He’s ruthless and intelligent. I believe he wants what is best for his people and country. I don’t think he loves America but respects our right to do as we please in our land and he wants us to stay out of his way.
Frankly, the world would be a lot more peaceful and we would have a lot more freedom and prosperity if our government and military shut the fuck down and stayed in our lane.
We have intervened far too much in other countries' affairs.
Which is even more ridiculous when you consider how impossible it would be to invade our country by force.
Absolutely, part of "staying in our lane". Immigration was supposed to be for times of labor shortages and skill shortages, alongside provisions for people who meet others while abroad or touring.
Instead we are bringing in military aged men under the guise of "helping people". Repulsive.
Well, it's come to light the enemy of all people on the planet are also the top officials in our own government.
Putin has done some egregious things, but I'd argue our government has been WAY worse. I understand Putin's position on this. The US position is absolutely ridiculous. Putin is fighting the deep state globalists, as are we. Same team at the moment.
Great assessment, right here. I'm GenX...I came of age at the end of the Cold War and when the Berlin Wall fell. It was INGRAINED in me to hate all things Russia and USSR. And yet...I have developed an odd (though cautious) respect for Vladimir Putin. I don't think he nor I nor most people here want very different things...
I'm a boomer that spent four years on the East German border waiting for the Russians to swarm through the Fulda Gap before the Berlin Wall fell and feel very much as you do about Vladimir Putin.
I appeal to the citizens of Russia, to the personnel of the armed forces, law enforcement and security services, fighters and commanders currently fighting on their positions, repelling the enemy attacks, doing it heroically.
I spoke to the commanders in all directions last night. I appeal also to those who were deceptively pulled into the criminal adventure, pushed towards a serious crime of an armed mutiny.
Today Russia is fighting fiercely for its future, repelling the aggression of neo-Nazis and their handlers. Directed against us is the whole military, economical and information machines of the West.
We fight for the lives and security of our people; for our sovereignty and independence; for the right to remain Russia, a state with a thousand-year history.
This battle, where the fate of our people is being decided, requires all our forces to be united; unity, consolidation and responsibility. Everything that weakens us must be put to the side, any differences that may be used or are used by our enemies to disrupt us from within.
Thus, the actions splitting our unity are a betrayal of our people, of our brothers in combat who fight now at the front line. It’s a stab in the back of our country and our people.
It was such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917 when the country was fighting in World War I, but its victory was stolen.
Intrigues, bickering and politicking behind the back of the army and the people turned out to be the greatest catastrophe, the destruction of the army and the state, loss of huge territories, resulting in a tragedy and a civil war.
Russians were killing Russians, brothers killing brothers. The beneficiaries of that were various political chevaliers of fortune and foreign powers who divided the country, and tore it into parts.We will not let this happen again. We will protect our people and state from any threats, including internal betrayal. What we’re facing is exactly a betrayal.
Big ambitions and personal interests led to treason. Betrayal of one’s own country and people and of the cause that fighters of Wagner were dying for alongside our soldiers. Heroes who liberated Soledar and Artemovsk, towns and cities of the Donbas, who fought and gave their lives to Novorossiya and for the unity of the Russian world. Their name and glory have been betrayed by those who are trying to organise the mutiny, pushing the country into anarchy and fratricide, to a defeat, in the end, and capitulation.
I repeat: any internal mutiny is a deadly threat to our state, to us as a nation. It’s a blow against Russia, against our people. And our actions to defend the fatherland from such a threat will be brutal.
Anyone who consciously went on the path of betrayal, who prepared the armed mutiny, went on the path of blackmail and terrorist actions, will be punished inevitably. They will answer before the law and our people.
The armed forces and other departments have received the necessary orders. Additional anti-terrorist security measures are now being implemented in Moscow, Moscow region, and a number of other regions. Decisive actions will be taken to stabilise the situation in Rostov-on-Don, which still remains difficult. The operation of civilian and military control departments is practically blocked.
As a president of Russia and the commander-in-chief, as a citizen of Russia, I will do everything to defend the country, protect the Constitution, lives and safety, liberty of the citizens.
Those who organised and prepared the military mutiny, who turned weapons against their comrades-in-arms, have betrayed Russia, and will be held accountable for that.
And those who are being pulled into the crime, I’m calling on you to not make this crucial, tragic, unrepeatable mistake.
Make the only right choice – stop participating in criminal actions.
I believe that we will defend and preserve what’s sacred for us. And together with the motherland, we will overcome all challenges, and become even stronger.”
Thanks much for the transcript, but I think you repeated a few paragraphs. Or Putin repeated them for emphasis. If the latter, a comment in brackets would be helpful.
If this is indeed real and not some kind of chess move. That's the problem with mercenaries. Especially one filled with ex-convicts. They go to the highest bidder. That being said. There is no way in hell this will be successful. Once it comes out this is a CIA operation this is going to escalate things to the very edge. That's what we want. The closer to the edge we get the closer we get to this entire thing being over.
I could believe this is a move by the traitor government of the U.S. They would do ANYTHING to protect their gigantic stinkhole of corruption called Ukraine. Once everything there comes to light with irrefutable evidence, it's over for them.
With all the billions and billions and billions that Biden's traitors have been pouring into Ukraine, why couldn't they buy off the Wagner mercenaries to go after Putin directly? It's entirely possible. Al that money's going somewhere and even with the greed of the traitors, there's plenty left to buy mercs. I'll be that's exactly what they did.
They forced out the Real President of the United States in a soft coup 3-1/2 years ago - supposedly the most powerful nation on the planet. But they did it. Why not try it again with the guy who's their biggest problem right now?
From the cheapest street thug to worldwide tyrants, crooks always have one thing in common: They always get overconfident. If you wait them out long enough, they'll eventually reach for something that too big for them to handle and that's when they get caught. The worldwide "elites" who think they should run the world might have just done exactly that.
IMHO, I believe it is all classic Prigozhin theater. He might be a loose cannon, but its hard to believe with his incredible rise in the business world that he has avoided prison with he Anti-Corruption Foundation accusing him of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles. Prigozhin has already spent prison time and was sentenced to 12-years imprisonment for robbery and fraud involving teenagers in crime. It's hard to believe he is not already on the 'radar map' of Russian intelligence.
"Simplicius" stated a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
#1. Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
#2. Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
#3. Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
If say, #1 above is the case, it would mean the following:
The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
"Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.
Monday: Putin troops demolishing Ukraine
Tuesday: Ukraine taking over Russia
Wed: Ukraine running out of ammo
Thursday: Putin fleeing Russia
Friday: Zelensky fleeing Ukraine, Russia taking over Ukraine
Repeat for 6 months....
Did Putin actually refer to Russia as "The Fatherland?" I thought Nazi Germany was the only nation in history known to call its country the "Fatherland." It's always "the mother country," as in "Mother Russia."
"I thought Nazi Germany was the only nation in history known to call its country the "Fatherland."
The German Empire of the Kaiser also called Germany "Fatherland." It wasn't specifically a Nazi thing.
But I acknowledge with your point that Russians have always referred to their country as "the Motherland," or "Mother Russia." That stood out to me as I read the transcript.
Certainly not only Germany. For example, Koreans also use a similar expression, combining the character for ancestor / forebear / grandfather with nation - 조국 祖國. We'd translate that as either fatherland, or motherland, or possibly homeland. Literally, its "our ancestral land". Chinese language has a corresponding expression.
Many countries have similar expressions. "The mother country" is a similar one. Italians It's just that to English speakers, "Fatherland" sounds foreign, and so lots of folks associate that with Germany, even Nazism. It's more common than you think, and there is nothing sinister about it at all, despite the associations that Hilterites employed mid 20th century.
Interesting he brings up the Bolshevik Revolution from October 1917. Given the Titan submarine that was recently all over the news, I wonder if this is the event Q is referring to when he speaks of "Red October".
Multiple meanings exist, but it's by no means unequivocal that Q was referring to an event when talking of Red October. Rather, there are numerous direct references indicating that this was primarily an allusion to the film "Red October" with Connery.
The idea of a private military contractor taking on the Russian Military is a complete joke. If mercenaries there are anything like here they're getting paid way more than their rank and file counterparts. Regular soldiers won't necessarily have endless amounts of sympathy for these guys just because they're fed up with this or that about the conditions there. Frankly I have wondered from the start if Putin knew private contractors are usually trouble and decided to use them as extremely expensive cannon fodder to keep the regular military from taking such a huge hit from all the fighting.
I can’t help but like him. He’s ruthless and intelligent. I believe he wants what is best for his people and country. I don’t think he loves America but respects our right to do as we please in our land and he wants us to stay out of his way.
Frankly, the world would be a lot more peaceful and we would have a lot more freedom and prosperity if our government and military shut the fuck down and stayed in our lane.
We have intervened far too much in other countries' affairs.
Which is even more ridiculous when you consider how impossible it would be to invade our country by force.
That's why they invaded it by stealth.... by rotting it out from the inside. It's working.
You are all spot on.
Absolutely, part of "staying in our lane". Immigration was supposed to be for times of labor shortages and skill shortages, alongside provisions for people who meet others while abroad or touring.
Instead we are bringing in military aged men under the guise of "helping people". Repulsive.
Bringing in an army does help "their" democracy.
Well, it's come to light the enemy of all people on the planet are also the top officials in our own government.
Putin has done some egregious things, but I'd argue our government has been WAY worse. I understand Putin's position on this. The US position is absolutely ridiculous. Putin is fighting the deep state globalists, as are we. Same team at the moment.
10/10 pedophiles disagree
Great assessment, right here. I'm GenX...I came of age at the end of the Cold War and when the Berlin Wall fell. It was INGRAINED in me to hate all things Russia and USSR. And yet...I have developed an odd (though cautious) respect for Vladimir Putin. I don't think he nor I nor most people here want very different things...
I'm a boomer that spent four years on the East German border waiting for the Russians to swarm through the Fulda Gap before the Berlin Wall fell and feel very much as you do about Vladimir Putin.
Thank you for your service, fren.
He also wants that filth-hole of corruption called Ukraine off of his doorstep. He knows what's going on there and finally got sick of it.
Yup
Agreed.
This speech could have been given in Germany in 1938.
Putin is facing the same problem today.
The big question to me is: Why did Wagner leader go so extreme in stating he would destroy everything in his path on his way to Moscow?
Nobody takes the action he is taking unless they think they have an ace up their sleeve.
Well that is tempered with the "join us" call to arms. So far they have done everything without a shot being fired, essentially.
6BN accounting error perhaps. 🤔
He loves the people not the government. He said something similar last year.
Transcript.
I appeal to the citizens of Russia, to the personnel of the armed forces, law enforcement and security services, fighters and commanders currently fighting on their positions, repelling the enemy attacks, doing it heroically.
I spoke to the commanders in all directions last night. I appeal also to those who were deceptively pulled into the criminal adventure, pushed towards a serious crime of an armed mutiny.
Today Russia is fighting fiercely for its future, repelling the aggression of neo-Nazis and their handlers. Directed against us is the whole military, economical and information machines of the West.
We fight for the lives and security of our people; for our sovereignty and independence; for the right to remain Russia, a state with a thousand-year history.
This battle, where the fate of our people is being decided, requires all our forces to be united; unity, consolidation and responsibility. Everything that weakens us must be put to the side, any differences that may be used or are used by our enemies to disrupt us from within.
Thus, the actions splitting our unity are a betrayal of our people, of our brothers in combat who fight now at the front line. It’s a stab in the back of our country and our people.
It was such a blow that was dealt to Russia in 1917 when the country was fighting in World War I, but its victory was stolen.
Intrigues, bickering and politicking behind the back of the army and the people turned out to be the greatest catastrophe, the destruction of the army and the state, loss of huge territories, resulting in a tragedy and a civil war.
Russians were killing Russians, brothers killing brothers. The beneficiaries of that were various political chevaliers of fortune and foreign powers who divided the country, and tore it into parts.We will not let this happen again. We will protect our people and state from any threats, including internal betrayal. What we’re facing is exactly a betrayal.
Big ambitions and personal interests led to treason. Betrayal of one’s own country and people and of the cause that fighters of Wagner were dying for alongside our soldiers. Heroes who liberated Soledar and Artemovsk, towns and cities of the Donbas, who fought and gave their lives to Novorossiya and for the unity of the Russian world. Their name and glory have been betrayed by those who are trying to organise the mutiny, pushing the country into anarchy and fratricide, to a defeat, in the end, and capitulation.
I repeat: any internal mutiny is a deadly threat to our state, to us as a nation. It’s a blow against Russia, against our people. And our actions to defend the fatherland from such a threat will be brutal.
Anyone who consciously went on the path of betrayal, who prepared the armed mutiny, went on the path of blackmail and terrorist actions, will be punished inevitably. They will answer before the law and our people.
The armed forces and other departments have received the necessary orders. Additional anti-terrorist security measures are now being implemented in Moscow, Moscow region, and a number of other regions. Decisive actions will be taken to stabilise the situation in Rostov-on-Don, which still remains difficult. The operation of civilian and military control departments is practically blocked.
As a president of Russia and the commander-in-chief, as a citizen of Russia, I will do everything to defend the country, protect the Constitution, lives and safety, liberty of the citizens.
Those who organised and prepared the military mutiny, who turned weapons against their comrades-in-arms, have betrayed Russia, and will be held accountable for that.
And those who are being pulled into the crime, I’m calling on you to not make this crucial, tragic, unrepeatable mistake.
Make the only right choice – stop participating in criminal actions.
I believe that we will defend and preserve what’s sacred for us. And together with the motherland, we will overcome all challenges, and become even stronger.”
President Vladimir Putin
Thanks much for the transcript, but I think you repeated a few paragraphs. Or Putin repeated them for emphasis. If the latter, a comment in brackets would be helpful.
Sorry I think I fixed it. My screen is so broken I had to cut and paste In small increments. I appreciate you pointing this out.
My hat tip to your diligence. I sincerely appreciate the transcript. It is such a relief to employ literacy!
You're comment made it well worth my time. Cheers fren.
Yes, thank you for the transcript!
Your welcome. 😊
Ossum effort. This is the way.
Clandestine's take on Putin's speech.
https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1672521095000346624
Bold statement by Clan. He sure stirred up the trolls.
If this is indeed real and not some kind of chess move. That's the problem with mercenaries. Especially one filled with ex-convicts. They go to the highest bidder. That being said. There is no way in hell this will be successful. Once it comes out this is a CIA operation this is going to escalate things to the very edge. That's what we want. The closer to the edge we get the closer we get to this entire thing being over.
I'm wondering if the CIA etc has bribed the mercs to do this...
If it's not a psyop then its got CIA written all over it. Can't beat Russia on the battlefield then destroy it from within
Anyone see Victoria Nuland lately?
Mebbe that's where the six billion found by pentagon went
5.4 billion, don't forget the 10% for the Big Guy.
I could believe this is a move by the traitor government of the U.S. They would do ANYTHING to protect their gigantic stinkhole of corruption called Ukraine. Once everything there comes to light with irrefutable evidence, it's over for them.
With all the billions and billions and billions that Biden's traitors have been pouring into Ukraine, why couldn't they buy off the Wagner mercenaries to go after Putin directly? It's entirely possible. Al that money's going somewhere and even with the greed of the traitors, there's plenty left to buy mercs. I'll be that's exactly what they did.
They forced out the Real President of the United States in a soft coup 3-1/2 years ago - supposedly the most powerful nation on the planet. But they did it. Why not try it again with the guy who's their biggest problem right now?
From the cheapest street thug to worldwide tyrants, crooks always have one thing in common: They always get overconfident. If you wait them out long enough, they'll eventually reach for something that too big for them to handle and that's when they get caught. The worldwide "elites" who think they should run the world might have just done exactly that.
Interesting that Putin talks about insurrection in Russia when that is exactly what has happened in America.
I was thinking mirror.
Oh, you noticed that, too?
IMHO, I believe it is all classic Prigozhin theater. He might be a loose cannon, but its hard to believe with his incredible rise in the business world that he has avoided prison with he Anti-Corruption Foundation accusing him of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles. Prigozhin has already spent prison time and was sentenced to 12-years imprisonment for robbery and fraud involving teenagers in crime. It's hard to believe he is not already on the 'radar map' of Russian intelligence.
"Simplicius" stated a few possible options for what could actually be going on.
#1. Prigozhin is working with AFU/SBU/CIA to backstab and destroy Russia, coordinating his actions with them.
#2. Prigozhin is secretly working with Putin to remove the stodgily entrenched Russian command. Notice, not in a single one of his rants has Prigozhin accused Putin or so much as even mentioned his name. There’s a possibility that all this is theater to cause a “conciliatory deal” to be made which will result in the ‘stepping aside’ of Shoigu. Putin has previously “laterally promoted” (in actuality demotions) several big name siloviki in the past. For instance, Sergei Ivanov who was deputy prime minister and presidential chief of staff was “moved” to head some ‘ecological’ department. Could we see Shoigu used as a fig leaf to settle the impasse by “laterally” moving him to some other ostensibly ‘important’ (but actually irrelevant) position?
#3. Everything is actually “as is” and whatever we see on the surface of the conflict pretty much represents what’s really happening.
If say, #1 above is the case, it would mean the following:
The Wagner mutiny began clearly prematurely. The front is not broken, ukry do not win. In this situation, rebellion means "stab in the back" and the army will not support it.
The prematurity of the rebellion (which was clearly planned in advance) is caused by a simple fact: in the near future, Prigozhin would certainly be deprived of the main part of his troops - to maintain even a 30,000th military group at his own expense, without the support of the state (read - funds and materials from the Moscow Region RF) - he definitely could not have been for more than a couple of months (and even then - hardly);
At the moment there are no videos, etc. evidence of the active actions of the "Wagners". There is information that their forces in the rear training camps did not know anything at all and were not ready to act. With a high probability - only a part of the units concentrated in the Lugansk region takes part in the rebellion.
"Campaign to Moscow" for "Wagner" is extremely difficult - most tanks simply will not reach Moscow on their own, it is generally useless to drag artillery to Moscow, and attacking in light armored vehicles means risking defeat along the road, which is generally "easier than easy ". Everything rests solely on the presence of loyal units ready to fulfill the order and open fire to kill ("Akhmat" may well execute, for example, and not only "Akhmat")
If by the morning (that is, after 5-6 hours) "Wagner" does not achieve significant success (and so far no success has been heard of it) and military units do not openly go over to its side, the rebellion will drag on and every day it the final success will be more and more improbable... well, if the Kremlin doesn't screw up out of habit, of course, and start urgently "searching for compromises" and exposing Prigozhin to use the overworked nose of a well-known VIP official.
My take:
https://greatawakening.win/p/16biTlXTay/
That's a fun theory.
I like it.
Monday: Putin troops demolishing Ukraine Tuesday: Ukraine taking over Russia Wed: Ukraine running out of ammo Thursday: Putin fleeing Russia Friday: Zelensky fleeing Ukraine, Russia taking over Ukraine Repeat for 6 months....
Did Putin actually refer to Russia as "The Fatherland?" I thought Nazi Germany was the only nation in history known to call its country the "Fatherland." It's always "the mother country," as in "Mother Russia."
Maybe it's just a translation thing. I hope so.
"I thought Nazi Germany was the only nation in history known to call its country the "Fatherland."
The German Empire of the Kaiser also called Germany "Fatherland." It wasn't specifically a Nazi thing.
But I acknowledge with your point that Russians have always referred to their country as "the Motherland," or "Mother Russia." That stood out to me as I read the transcript.
Certainly not only Germany. For example, Koreans also use a similar expression, combining the character for ancestor / forebear / grandfather with nation - 조국 祖國. We'd translate that as either fatherland, or motherland, or possibly homeland. Literally, its "our ancestral land". Chinese language has a corresponding expression.
Many countries have similar expressions. "The mother country" is a similar one. Italians It's just that to English speakers, "Fatherland" sounds foreign, and so lots of folks associate that with Germany, even Nazism. It's more common than you think, and there is nothing sinister about it at all, despite the associations that Hilterites employed mid 20th century.
If Putin survives this, many generals will be made unalive.
Interesting he brings up the Bolshevik Revolution from October 1917. Given the Titan submarine that was recently all over the news, I wonder if this is the event Q is referring to when he speaks of "Red October".
Multiple meanings exist, but it's by no means unequivocal that Q was referring to an event when talking of Red October. Rather, there are numerous direct references indicating that this was primarily an allusion to the film "Red October" with Connery.
Interesting that he mentioned the Bolshevicks. Putin knows exactly what's going on.
The idea of a private military contractor taking on the Russian Military is a complete joke. If mercenaries there are anything like here they're getting paid way more than their rank and file counterparts. Regular soldiers won't necessarily have endless amounts of sympathy for these guys just because they're fed up with this or that about the conditions there. Frankly I have wondered from the start if Putin knew private contractors are usually trouble and decided to use them as extremely expensive cannon fodder to keep the regular military from taking such a huge hit from all the fighting.
Looks like deepfake AI. Idk man, the mouth is looking a little sus and it's tough to tell these days...
lol. OK. If it is a deep fake, its one that basically everyone is treating as legit. Even the russian government, which means Putin himself.
https://www.rt.com/search?q=putin+address
Oh, hang on. yu'r being sarcastic, ain't ya? You had me going there.... Well played my friend.
So who is this Wagner group ?? Deep state funded cabal mercs?