Looked into it. This isn’t what I thought it was. They aren’t looking to ban sudafed where the active ingredient is pseudoephedrine, which is the stuff that actually works that you have to scan your drivers license at the pharmacy counter to buy, it’s the over the counter kind where the active ingredient is phenylephrine which, the FDA unfortunately is right, literally doesn’t work for shit. My wife and I learned this a long time ago. If you can buy it without a drivers license honestly I couldn’t care less if they ban it because I honestly don’t know what it even does. But the good stuff that you need a drivers license to buy apparently isn’t going anywhere so we can probably put our pitchforks down on this particular issue at least.
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They probably found out it was effective at blocking certain viruses causing strengthened immunity against them. We can't have that.... It's not as crazy as one would think, just lookup nicotine and the benefits of having it. Notice I didn't say cigarettes.....
Good post Op, the real info and NOT the hyped up BS.
Maybe. I just know I could never tell where it was doing personally. Pseudoephedrine on the other hand, isn’t just a life saver from congestion, it’s an incredible vasoconstrictor that is super helpful with bruising and other kinds of swelling that ibuprofen even struggles to treat effectively.
That's interesting. Like Ivermectin, whenever I see a damnation of any drug it peaks my interest, the whole pseudoephed being controlled due to possible elicit drug manufacturing, always seemed a bit sus
It is a component in Drug manufacturer.
The controls for the most part despite claims otherwise are mainly meant to discourage Low-income Blue Collar, and low level Hood thugs from whipping up a lab in an abandoned building or their trailer.
As from what I understand. It doesn’t actually do much but mildly inconvenience the people who are and can manufacture in bulk. As they afford to grease palms and or intimidate their way into a steady supply. Supposing they weren’t a CIA front to start with.
Exactly. What better way to corner a market by crippling the lower level entrepreneur.
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I do think cooking pseudo was a real thing.
With that said, I also know these fucks are inveterate liars and murderers.
It was very real,and cutting into the proffit of the clowns in america.
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Benadryl works.
I won’t argue with you. Perhaps it works for you. It just knocks me out.
It actually had the opposite with one of my daughters. One fell asleep like normal, the other was like she ate all her Halloween candy in 20 minutes.
This is my expectation. Nicotine is a good example, so agreed to use that, here.
Perhaps even a better example is NAC. That shit was diabolical and they never even attempted to explain. Brazen fuckery,
You can still get NAC otc.
I never thought of it that way. I did think that Hartgaard (ivermectin dog wormer) being made prescription-only in California but they didn't do that for the horse version was very strange. But NAC was always available without interruption at my local pharmacy or the vitamin shoppe chain. Makes sense.
The mark up on Hartgaard is insanity. $5 of Ivermectin sold for hundreds of dollars.
I think whoever decided these things probably concluded that "horse paste" was a little too out of reach for most folks, either in fact or in practice. So they left it alone. But then enough people went to Tractor Supply for "horse paste" that Tractor Supply started asking buyers for photo proof of the buyer's horse (not joking).
Who said smoking is bad, not the coroners.
Question is, who actually trusts the FDA on anything, whether they say they are taking an ineffective product off the market or not? What facet of that agency isn't bought and paid for by some pharmaceutical interest?
I'm not even sure if there is a true constitutional interest for them to exist. Possibly under the interstate commerce clause, but still. I'd be less skeptical if they weren't engaged in allowing dangerous drugs to get through all the time and target things that actually would be 'safe and effective.'
Oh I’m with you. I just thought people might like to know that they’re not taking pseudoephedrine off the shelves. Just phenylephrine, which i can attest, really doesn’t do anything.
Liability and Claims?
Also, Benedryl
A Food and Drug Administration advisory committee voted 16-0 on Tuesday that current scientific data does not support the use of the active ingredient, phenylephrine, in OTC products such as Benadryl Allergy Plus Congestion. This does not, however, pertain to antihistamines such as Benadryl, which contain the active ingredient diphenhydramine.
Benadryl is essentially a sleeping pill. Not sure the point of it for allergies honestly. Yay my allergies are gone but I’m asleep now so who cares?
It's an antihistamine
If you fall asleep, I'd think you'd eventually wake up.
I mean it's not like getting hit over the head with a sledgehammer. I've taken it during work
For me it was much closer to the sledgehammer.
If I take 2 it's bad. But I can do 1
I can’t take it. It makes me sleep within 30 mins.
Same. First time I ever took it I nearly crashed my car driving home. It’s chemically almost identical to Unisom, a sleeping pill.
The tiredness lasts into the next day for me, too.
What if I told you that being unable to sleep is a major problem with bad allergies?
Also, causing you to feel sleepy is a SIDE EFFECT, not the goal. It is a side effect that has now been leaned into a bit (wonder why that is, considering it's not good for you.) It is partially because it is a gen 1 antihistamine that crosses the blood brain barrier, which gen 2s do not.
Benadryl is also not that great for your brain in the long term as a result, but second gen antihistamines aren't as effective -- but don't make you tired nor cross the blood brain barrier, making them more usable for the average person.
Just because you can't figure out the value in something (or overvalue something else) is not anyone else's problem but yours.
Also, I have had just fine results using the current formula for this use case.
Sucking the teat of the same people who dug through your mail to stop you from getting HCQ and Ivermectin is really weird and I do expect better.
Huh? All I’m saying is this isn’t what I thought it was. They’re not banning the effective drug. I don’t think they should be able to ban anything but at least the thing they’re banning isn’t the drug I actually know works.
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Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is an antihistamine. It works very well for seasonal allergies (for 4-6 hours that it's active). It also makes you drowsy. As a sleep aid, I'm not a huge fan of it. It works. It'll help you get to sleep, but your body will habituate to it after 3-5 days or so, so you'll find it's less effective if you want to rely on it daily. If you have that kind of a problem, you need a better drug from a doctor.
If you're having seasonal allergies, the second generation antihistamines are a better option. That's Claritin, Allegra, Zyrtec, Xyzal. 24 hours of effect, minimal drowsiness. Save the Benadryl for allergic reactions to bug bites/stings, rashes, etc.
If you're taking other medications or plan on partying, you'll want to talk to a white coat about it too, because it will interact with certain other drugs and substances in bad ways and you should know what those risks are. Combining it with alcohol or Xanax or plenty of other common things could be a problem.
Diphenhydramine is the same exact thing as Unisom sleeping pills.
Yeah that had always been the case before but I compared them side by side recently and they’re no longer identical. Check it out.
Same goes for Excedrin and Midol. Used to have identical ingredients and dosages but recently midol replaced the aspirin with something else. Actually they might have replaced it with phenylephrine funny enough if I’m not mistaken.
Thanks fren.....I will have to take a look at that as I always bought the sleep pills because they were half the cost of the benedryl.
Phenylephrine works very well in a nasal spray. Really opens things up.
I don’t think they’re going after the nasal spray though. Just the pills.
So, just ensuring it is stated that overusing the spray will create a reliance on it and disrupt your body's natural functions. People need to remember to use responsibly and understand the difference from when they NEED it and they're just uncomfortable.
Pharmacist here. This is correct.
Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) does work. Phenylephrine (PE) does not.
The evidence on it has been clear for years. PE is just a poor drug. It doesn't do much as a decongestant, which is what it's marketed for. They only reason they kept it on the market is that it's essentially the only over-the-counter option. Pseudoephedrine (PS) is now behind-the-counter (BTC). Why? Because if you get a whole lot of it together, you can use it as a precursor to make methamphetamine. So, the DEA recommended the change as a part of their vaunted war on drugs. Because some clever rednecks learned some basic chemistry, the rest of us were told we could only get tiny amounts of what worked, if we politely asked permission.
They keep doing this stuff too. Loperamide (Immodium) is a diarrhea medicine that's safe as can be. But some idiots found out that if you buy 400-500 of the things and crush them up into a paste, you could get a weak high out of it. So, the FDA stepped in again to fearlessly protect us from cheap and effective anti-diarrheal medicine. And it's not the only one. Diphenoxylate/atropine (Lomotil) is another highly effective opioid that really doesn't get to the brain in significant amounts. But if you take huge amounts of it, you conceivable could get high, so it's scheduled and you have to get a doctor's prescription for a drug most other countries sell over the counter. And if you live with IBS or similar conditions, you get to suffer with 5-10x higher prices for the privilege of this "protection."
The FDA simply admitting PE is ineffective is a welcome and long overdue step. Nothing nefarious here. This is a good thing.
Thanks for the color. Much appreciated.
If it's Benadryl (tiny pink pills), it works great for my allergies.
And it was really helping people with COVID, which is likely the REAL reason they want to ban it, just like they tried with NAC, HCQ, and ivermectin.
Benadryl just knocks me out, personally. Have found much better allergy meds that don’t cause drowsiness.
Take it at night. Above all, do not agree with it being banned for the people it helps.
Agreed.
No that’s diphenhydramine and not related to this except that some medicines combine diphenhydramine with phenylephrine. The latter is actually ineffective in pill form so as much as the fda likes to fuck shit up, I think they’re right on this one.
Huh ok
Some drugs DON'T work, or don't work well. I suspect Phenylephrine is in that category.
In a free market, this information would be available and probably highlighted by interested parties; customers would begin shifting to more effective alternatives.
In a tyranny, the non- or less-effective drug can get forcibly banned. Of course, in a tyranny even HIGHLY EFFECTIVE and EXTREMELY SAFE drugs can be banned.
See the difference?
Totally agreed.
I used to get lots of sinus migraines.
I tried both versions of Sudafed.
One did jack, the other shit.
Turned out it wasn't the mucus causing it.
It was the inflammation trapping the mucus.
Use turmeric curcumin.
Well sudafed works specifically because it constructs blood vessels so maybe you actually just had a lot of mucus when you used it. Sudafed treats swelling, not mucus, and it has always worked great for me. But i usually take 4-6 little red tablets.
Well, it didn't work for me. Turmeric curcumin, while not effective every time, did prevent about 90% of them once I started taking it every day, and considering the pain I was in, I gladly accepted that.
Just make sure you get the kind that also has some black pepper in it. NatureWise, the brand I use, does.
I'm not buying it for a second. Either phenylephrine is an obstacle to their plans or they want to replace it with a new and expensive prescription drug.
Actually the conspiracy happened long ago on this particular drug. When the FDA found out people could use it to make meth they limited how much you could buy and forced you to scan your ID in order to buy it. Not wanting to lose any OTC revenue, drug companies released this fake phenylephrine knock off under the same name even though studies had shown for decades it was no stronger than a placebo. Phenylephrine dies $2b/year in the cold and flu aisle. This looks like a rare case where the FDA is actually looking out for people who have been getting scammed by this poor, ineffective knockoff.
The conspiracy was there, I just don’t think it’s now.
Congress "figured it out" and added to the law via the PATRIOT act. What they really wanted was an "electronic log book" in the pharmacy they could look at whenever they wanted.
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Several of us posted this info the other day and yet to many of the people freaking out about Sudafed being banned it made no difference. I know from my years in newspapers that many people never read anything except the headline and maybe the cutline under a photo. The inaccurate headline that several sites and posts used were the problem - they said Sudafed was being banned. People brainlocked on that because they never saw the explanation a couple of paragraphs into the stories. BTW, one person who has perpetuated this more than once is Salty Cracker. I'm a big SC fan but am appalled he didn't research this enough to read beyond a headline.
I can promise you anyone with bad allergies could have told you years ago that the junk they put on the shelves (Sudafed PE and others) that they are banning for being ineffective is ineffective. Real Sudafed with pseudoephedrine is effective.
Good to know
Well, damn. I bet you just ruined several peoples weekends. Nothing like getting your mad on, and getting your blood pumping while railing against the world online.
They banned ranitidine in the UK a while back, that's Zantac which treats ulcers adn heartburn.
It also treats the 'rona. What a surprise!
As far as I know ephedrine is still legal. Note: ephedrine not pseudoephedrine. I used to find it worked great for asthma in branded Chest-Eze tablets. To stay legal it had to be sold in a pack of 9 tablets or less, which in fact it was.
You cannot buy Chest-Eze any more though because pharmacies just refused to stock it so the manufacturer stopped making it.
They’re both still legal, and they’re not talking about removing those, just phenylephrine tablets.
Maybe.
However, my first instinct is to distrust anything the FDA or CDC says at this point. So I'm wondering if there is something beneficial about phenylephrine that they don't want us to have access to.
The silver lining to the Covid-19 cloud is that I - and many, many others - have learned to never trust them or take their edicts at face value. That's a powerful mindset.
Yeah it would be worth some research to see what other benefits have been found, but i tell ya, from personal experience, as a nasal decongestant, it’s trash.
Sudafed works better for me than Allegra or Claritin and is 5x cheaper.
It’s remarkably useful for a wide range of maladies. Anything involving swelling. Bruising, sunburn, twisted ankle, provides a fair amount of focus too as it’s similar to adderal in some ways.
The phenylephrine nose spray( which I understand is excluded from this) is the ONLY thing that relieves my nose inflammation. 1% Pphrine.
Orally it may be worthless, but it works in the nasal passage. 100% effective for me
Hydroxychloroquine/quercetin and some vitamins and minerals, and voila, you beat whatever it is within 48 hours.
Agreed. That’s literally what so do. But I’m of the “treat the cause AND the symptom” camp, so sudafed is great to have in the toolbox while those drugs do their work.
Thank you for posting this, I commented about this on each post I saw.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Unless it's digital.
But I'm willing to give at least portions of the FDA the benefit of the analog doubt.
I've said this before. A broken analog clock could be broken because one (or both) of the hands fell off. Then it is never right.
Did they say they are going to ban it? I thought they just said it is ineffective.
I thought they said they were going to remove approval since they can’t be proven to really help with anything but I’m not sure.
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What happens if you're caught with it?
Nothing. That’s not the point here.
The same thing that happens if you actually take it.
so do people make meth with phenylephrine or something? why would they ban it lol
No they make meth with the stuff they aren’t banning. The stuff that actually works. Not the knockoff drug companies started pushing OTC when the FDA put buying restrictions on the good stuff.