If Apple does go through with this, it would be a golden opportunity for Elon to create a Tesla phone. No spyware, open source, reasonably priced...he could totally bury Apple and make absolute mint on it.
That'd be pretty cool. But do we completely trust him either? I liked the open source phone ideas from a while back, but of course they never really caught on. Open source cars would be cool too. Imagine a roll-your own diesel-electric plug-in hybrid. 200+ mpgs... but I digress. Well, but my point is that the laws and politics governing these things are more to blame than the capability of the tech. I believe that's always been the case. Maybe the Amish have been right all along.
The hard part is getting chip manufacturers to open source their firmware. I'm talking the cellular modems and such, as well as the CPU and GPU. Most "open-source" hardware requires the use of closed-sourced "binary blobs" for the cellular modem and other components still.
Now, Tesla could make ALL the chips, but it's a patent minefield. Then you need software support to get people to actually want to use it. It's a HUGE undertaking because Google and Apple are so entrenched and have such a massive head start.
Not impossible, but a very very steep uphill battle. I'd try one, for sure.
Making a hybrid would be a bit more in depth I don't know if anyone has done it, but I haven't read up on it much in years. Was considering trying to make one for my 4.2L M119 V8 in my '97 Benz so I could manual swap it, but ended up selling it. Too many electronic headaches outside the engine bay to deal with, even back then for Mercedes. US cars had barely adopted OBD2 at that time...
Anyways, you would need to make an auxillary computer that can read the data needed to know if it should use electric or IC power at any given time, or both. It would require control of your fly by wire throttle, but a backup circuit to bypass it straight to the Megasquirt would be good insurance in case the electric part goes down it's not dead in the water. Things it would need to know are probably battery charge, current fuel consumption and load of the IC engine, and some sort of targets to hit to maximize mpg while not letting the battery get too low . Speaking of which, you also need to trigger regenerative braking so you can recharge.
But if someone figures it out and shares then it could be easier for everyone else.
Wait, are you still talking about the diesel-electric hybrid idea? I feel like something like an F-150 lightning with a modified frunk to house a smallish RV diesel or propane generator set to spin at several optimally tuned RPM steps would get you pretty darn close. All the regen shit is already baked in, you just then need to override the no-charging-while-moving thing and plumb in a fuel tank, engine mounts, oil pan and radiator and exhaust. And Also the auxiliary computer control system you mentioned. That should be fairly trivial to code up with an rpi or arduino. But doing something more sedan-like I guess you're be better of just getting a prius type thing or a Volt type thing... no diesel, but shit... fuckin' EPA.
I'm just worried it would go the way of the Windows Phone. I'm going to guess an X phone would be based on Android unless he made an in-house OS. He could still heavily modify Android for that, though.
I've had an iPhone since 2012. If I ever need to switch out of the ecosystem it will be a hard change since I'm so used to it.
It’s like we were piece meal being fed this BS one step at a time all leading to digital slavery. Q was right about these tech companies out of control.
The fact you aren't already due to their greed and horrible price gouging is sad already. I paid less than 300 bucks for a new in box last-years flagship Motorola with a Snapdragon 8 processor, 8K camera, and a half terabyte of storage. Paying over 3 times that for the name Apple is just ridiculous.
A few years back I bought my husband a phone attachment that was funny as hell. Remember the part of the landline that you picked up and returned to the cradle? It attached to your cell phone in the headphone jack. My kids were fascinated with it.
Ask anyone that is a millennial or younger what a rotary-dial was, or what "pulse" was vs "touch tone". Then tell them you used to have to pay extra per phone in your house, and pay extra if you used touch tone instead of pulse. Maybe save the "party line" talk for another time. Too much at one time will shut their brains down.
If you actually watch the presentation, your data never leaves the device, and you can turn it off, and the database models are segregated from your personal information. Musk is whining because Apple version of AI won’t work with his totalitarian X social credit app.
The difference is I'm not paying Google directly for their terrible BS when I buy an Android, and if I wanted I could remove it. I don't because I don't give a fuck what they think about me I'll be cocked and locked if they wanna do some talking about it.
This is an important point. GENERALLY speaking...Android will let you uninstall what you don't want to use. This is true of Gemini, Google's AI crap. Apple will absolutely bake this AI garbage into the iOS level and (Apple being Apple) not let users remove it, or certainly make it hard to disable.
That is a hardcore position to take so Elon definitely knows something more than is being said. Either corporate espionage or something much darker. I suspect the latter.
Elon has a competitor’Grok’ which is heavily dependent on large data models. Apples segregated approach basically makes Siri not stupid, and the data never leaves the device. The segregated approach won’t work with the totalitarian’X’ social credit app that Musk want.
Musk is a Zionist stooge, and not a good guy. The whole ‘free speech’ warrior is a ruse to get your trust
I have suspected this for a while and have my own thoughts about Elon and others in this "movement". I trust but verify and never blindly follow. No one is above this as too many have turned out to be traitors.
Seems like Musk is worried about Apple spying (stealing) X's future projects source code thru OpenAI. If I was Musk, I would ban ALL Apple devices from ALL Musk owned companies.
How many Normie/Sheeple Apple users would be ok with Apple auto updating all their devices with OpenAI without actually thinking about the privacy concerns?
Musk is just pissed because Apples segregated implementation of AI pretty makes his totalitarian credit scoring ‘everything’ app stillborn from the outset.
If people actually watched the Apple presentation, personal user data is segregated and never leaves the device. Everything on the device is accessed with Apples own machine learning SOC (thus the ‘Apple Intelligence’ moniker) much like the current biometric authentication protocol (another thing that pisses off statists)
LLM’s are only accessed externally, much like when siri googles something when she doesn’t know the answer. So in that way it is no different than what happens now.
Musk is not a good guy. He is in league with Zionists and the CCP and is the Trojan horse the way we get to all the totalitarian bullshit. He is controlled opposition
I am pro-capitalist and Apple is the most successful and profitable capitalist company on earth for all time. They have generated more wealth for more people than any single entity ever.
They make their money by selling products people deeply desire as opposed to Musk who entire paycheck comes from rent seeking the government which, in the end, is a form of coercion.
Musk is a Globalist/Zionist piece of shit who is playing the right for fools and will betray them in the end. Apple just wants to sell cool and expensive hardware that people want.
Thanks. I tried using that in the early-mid 90's but stayed with Linux. I stopped playing with all 3 of the BSDs at the time - probably due to the whole Theo De Raadt spat. I still give props for OpenSSH though.
It all depends on who's controlling it and feeding the data. OpenAI is fed with very woke people. Elon is training his AI, Grok with as much neutrality as possible.
It was the Olympic, not the Titanic. Part of a insurance coverup. Also, Ive read the next level conspiracy that the rescue ship was purposely misguided so that the wealthy anti fed guys died.
Anyway, ya, Elon is cabal too so I'm sure there's nothing safe about his AI.
Most of these comments seem to be made by people who are still catching on! Please study Q's posts about MKULTRA! You guys have no idea of how far technology is! 99% would be in a hospital!
The flippancy of the comment suggests to me an undiscriminating perspective. i.e. "Brain chips are a bad and evil idea that is transhumanist"
I think Elon makes some excellent reasons why this level of tech development can be a great positive for humanity, and that he's advocating for something that is diametrically opposed to the "We are God" insanity of the globohomo transhumanists...
If Apple does go through with this, it would be a golden opportunity for Elon to create a Tesla phone. No spyware, open source, reasonably priced...he could totally bury Apple and make absolute mint on it.
That'd be pretty cool. But do we completely trust him either? I liked the open source phone ideas from a while back, but of course they never really caught on. Open source cars would be cool too. Imagine a roll-your own diesel-electric plug-in hybrid. 200+ mpgs... but I digress. Well, but my point is that the laws and politics governing these things are more to blame than the capability of the tech. I believe that's always been the case. Maybe the Amish have been right all along.
The hard part is getting chip manufacturers to open source their firmware. I'm talking the cellular modems and such, as well as the CPU and GPU. Most "open-source" hardware requires the use of closed-sourced "binary blobs" for the cellular modem and other components still.
Now, Tesla could make ALL the chips, but it's a patent minefield. Then you need software support to get people to actually want to use it. It's a HUGE undertaking because Google and Apple are so entrenched and have such a massive head start.
Not impossible, but a very very steep uphill battle. I'd try one, for sure.
There is the Megasquirt system that lets you build your own ECU with no BS emissions controls and etc.
'Dasting! Tanx frawg!
Making a hybrid would be a bit more in depth I don't know if anyone has done it, but I haven't read up on it much in years. Was considering trying to make one for my 4.2L M119 V8 in my '97 Benz so I could manual swap it, but ended up selling it. Too many electronic headaches outside the engine bay to deal with, even back then for Mercedes. US cars had barely adopted OBD2 at that time...
Anyways, you would need to make an auxillary computer that can read the data needed to know if it should use electric or IC power at any given time, or both. It would require control of your fly by wire throttle, but a backup circuit to bypass it straight to the Megasquirt would be good insurance in case the electric part goes down it's not dead in the water. Things it would need to know are probably battery charge, current fuel consumption and load of the IC engine, and some sort of targets to hit to maximize mpg while not letting the battery get too low . Speaking of which, you also need to trigger regenerative braking so you can recharge.
But if someone figures it out and shares then it could be easier for everyone else.
Wait, are you still talking about the diesel-electric hybrid idea? I feel like something like an F-150 lightning with a modified frunk to house a smallish RV diesel or propane generator set to spin at several optimally tuned RPM steps would get you pretty darn close. All the regen shit is already baked in, you just then need to override the no-charging-while-moving thing and plumb in a fuel tank, engine mounts, oil pan and radiator and exhaust. And Also the auxiliary computer control system you mentioned. That should be fairly trivial to code up with an rpi or arduino. But doing something more sedan-like I guess you're be better of just getting a prius type thing or a Volt type thing... no diesel, but shit... fuckin' EPA.
That's a good idea. Yea I never tried the hybrid thing just spit balling theories.
I'm just worried it would go the way of the Windows Phone. I'm going to guess an X phone would be based on Android unless he made an in-house OS. He could still heavily modify Android for that, though.
I've had an iPhone since 2012. If I ever need to switch out of the ecosystem it will be a hard change since I'm so used to it.
Erik Prince has already done it...
So did a quick search for reviews and the first paragraph of this article directly addresses all my concerns with the Unconnect Erik Prince phone: https://defensereview.com/unplugged-up-phone-the-most-secure-and-private-smartphone-ever/
What... you don't trust the Juice...
How dare you suspect them of wanting to rule the world.
Relax bro, OJ's dead. ;)
Not open source, though, and very suspect.
lol… I trust Apple more than Musk
Can we stash libs in a Faraday cage? Asking for a friend.
It’s called liberal cities.
Heck, at this point I am not convinced that liberal cities are liberal cities. Large populations are the best places to do voter fraud.
With a Grounding Wire...Need to know if libs hair ACTUALLY catch on fire!!!!!!!
Yes ... conveniently, there's one at gitmo...
X post, twstalker
Tim Cooks responds: "It’s personal, powerful, and private—and it’s integrated into the apps you rely on every day.".
Elon Musk: "Don’t want it. Either stop this creepy spyware or all Apple devices will be banned from the premises of my companies."
X post, twstalker
If Apple does this shit I’m done with IPhone and every other thing
It’s like we were piece meal being fed this BS one step at a time all leading to digital slavery. Q was right about these tech companies out of control.
The fact you aren't already due to their greed and horrible price gouging is sad already. I paid less than 300 bucks for a new in box last-years flagship Motorola with a Snapdragon 8 processor, 8K camera, and a half terabyte of storage. Paying over 3 times that for the name Apple is just ridiculous.
I haven’t bought a new iPhone in years. I don’t care anything about their phones after iPhone 6 and that’s where I’ve stayed
I have never bought a smart phone. Never have and I never will. If I have to I will buy a flip phone from quik trip and add minutes.
My phone has a rotary dial 😉
On my candlestick, you jiggle the switchhook a couple times and say, "Hello Sara, would you connect me?"
A few years back I bought my husband a phone attachment that was funny as hell. Remember the part of the landline that you picked up and returned to the cradle? It attached to your cell phone in the headphone jack. My kids were fascinated with it.
Ask anyone that is a millennial or younger what a rotary-dial was, or what "pulse" was vs "touch tone". Then tell them you used to have to pay extra per phone in your house, and pay extra if you used touch tone instead of pulse. Maybe save the "party line" talk for another time. Too much at one time will shut their brains down.
Before cable, the party line was our best source of entertainment
Long distance charges were a thing also.
If you actually watch the presentation, your data never leaves the device, and you can turn it off, and the database models are segregated from your personal information. Musk is whining because Apple version of AI won’t work with his totalitarian X social credit app.
They are basically making Siri not retarded
Apple does a pretty good job w/security here.
Which they dropped? Look, there are things you can criticize apple for, but at least relative to the rest of big tech, privacy isn’t one of them.
You have to understand that Musk is in negotiations with Apple to add ‘Grok’ to Apple’s external LLM API. That’s ALL this is about, nothing else.
he’s literally talking out his ass so to get a better licensing deal with Apple
Bingo
Is it connected to the internet?
Is it secret, closed source?
If yes and yes, then you don't know what it is doing.
Which to a Droid but putting it through it's paces is sometimes a real pain...BUT, worth it!!!!
as if google is any better
You can de-google android.
The difference is I'm not paying Google directly for their terrible BS when I buy an Android, and if I wanted I could remove it. I don't because I don't give a fuck what they think about me I'll be cocked and locked if they wanna do some talking about it.
This is an important point. GENERALLY speaking...Android will let you uninstall what you don't want to use. This is true of Gemini, Google's AI crap. Apple will absolutely bake this AI garbage into the iOS level and (Apple being Apple) not let users remove it, or certainly make it hard to disable.
I agreed, I immediately change my phone.
That is a hardcore position to take so Elon definitely knows something more than is being said. Either corporate espionage or something much darker. I suspect the latter.
At the least, he is worried about OpenAI stealing Grok secrets.
Elon has a competitor’Grok’ which is heavily dependent on large data models. Apples segregated approach basically makes Siri not stupid, and the data never leaves the device. The segregated approach won’t work with the totalitarian’X’ social credit app that Musk want.
Musk is a Zionist stooge, and not a good guy. The whole ‘free speech’ warrior is a ruse to get your trust
I have suspected this for a while and have my own thoughts about Elon and others in this "movement". I trust but verify and never blindly follow. No one is above this as too many have turned out to be traitors.
Nope. I believe he is a good guy.
Seems like Musk is worried about Apple spying (stealing) X's future projects source code thru OpenAI. If I was Musk, I would ban ALL Apple devices from ALL Musk owned companies.
How many Normie/Sheeple Apple users would be ok with Apple auto updating all their devices with OpenAI without actually thinking about the privacy concerns?
Musk is just pissed because Apples segregated implementation of AI pretty makes his totalitarian credit scoring ‘everything’ app stillborn from the outset.
If people actually watched the Apple presentation, personal user data is segregated and never leaves the device. Everything on the device is accessed with Apples own machine learning SOC (thus the ‘Apple Intelligence’ moniker) much like the current biometric authentication protocol (another thing that pisses off statists)
LLM’s are only accessed externally, much like when siri googles something when she doesn’t know the answer. So in that way it is no different than what happens now.
Musk is not a good guy. He is in league with Zionists and the CCP and is the Trojan horse the way we get to all the totalitarian bullshit. He is controlled opposition
Hell yeah, I am an Apple fanboy.
I am pro-capitalist and Apple is the most successful and profitable capitalist company on earth for all time. They have generated more wealth for more people than any single entity ever.
They make their money by selling products people deeply desire as opposed to Musk who entire paycheck comes from rent seeking the government which, in the end, is a form of coercion.
Musk is a Globalist/Zionist piece of shit who is playing the right for fools and will betray them in the end. Apple just wants to sell cool and expensive hardware that people want.
So yeah, I am an Apple fanboy
Why the Faraday cage on an AI enabled phone rather than just on other phones too? Seems like both would have abilities to steal off network.
Something tells me they’ve already done this.
Is he under the impression that they are safe as of today? Half his company probably uses MacBooks
He is just butthurt that Apple didn’t choose Grok as their default API plugin for external AI queries. That’s all.
It’s no different than when Apple chose google as their default search engine on iOS Safari.
At some point you will be able to choose which LLM you want Siri to interact with and then he will shut up
I believe its about optics of his impression of OpenAI being a spy bot. But for sure, any OS can be a spyware.
Anyone know which OS his Tesla tablet things uses?
Thanks. I tried using that in the early-mid 90's but stayed with Linux. I stopped playing with all 3 of the BSDs at the time - probably due to the whole Theo De Raadt spat. I still give props for OpenSSH though.
That's a good policy regardless of what Apple does, just on principle.
Does a Faraday cage only work if it is grounded? I tried putting my phone inside a metal screen cage and it still was able to send/receive calls.
You don’t need a cage. Just make a container wrapped in metal like tinfoil.
The cage design just shows how wavelengths can be blocked. Shorter wavelength, smaller holes in cage.
So when/how do we Faraday cage people with neurolink...
Starting to look like we Erik prince has the phone. (Unconnected)
Why, what's different from openAi to any other one?
It all depends on who's controlling it and feeding the data. OpenAI is fed with very woke people. Elon is training his AI, Grok with as much neutrality as possible.
I think they are just different flavours of manipulation, some hidden better than others. Can't trust any of them
It was the Olympic, not the Titanic. Part of a insurance coverup. Also, Ive read the next level conspiracy that the rescue ship was purposely misguided so that the wealthy anti fed guys died.
Anyway, ya, Elon is cabal too so I'm sure there's nothing safe about his AI.
I don't know, there are hundreds of secret societies that make up the cabal. I
what does that tell you, those phones and likely android are listening
Most of these comments seem to be made by people who are still catching on! Please study Q's posts about MKULTRA! You guys have no idea of how far technology is! 99% would be in a hospital!
Don't be so cocky and know-it-all. They all know about it. Sometimes we comment like normies just for fun and being social. Just get along.
Coming from the man who wants brain chips.
Seems like a bit of an ignorant remark
How?
The flippancy of the comment suggests to me an undiscriminating perspective. i.e. "Brain chips are a bad and evil idea that is transhumanist"
I think Elon makes some excellent reasons why this level of tech development can be a great positive for humanity, and that he's advocating for something that is diametrically opposed to the "We are God" insanity of the globohomo transhumanists...
Hope that makes sense!