Russia shouldn’t accept this. It will give Ukraine time to regroup. I am also not a fan of restarting military aid to Ukraine. I would just as soon just walk away from it and let them in those parts figure it out.
The problem is that as long as the U.S. is a part of NATO it will always be involved. The UK/EU strategy will be to drag the U.S. into a war with Russia.
Hopefully, when this peace plan falls through, Trump will use it as an opportunity to wash his hands of the mess. And then that would remove us from any false flag fuckery.
I agree completely. With us throwing more money at the cokehead, giving him some more weapons so he can sell some of them on the black market for cents on the dollar, and all of our intel so he can go after Russia and hurt them more, it's obvious that we don't want peace. We just want to suck Ukraine's tiny dick just like the rest of the EU and help them take over Russia. I love how "security" was promised... aka, either US boots on the ground or joining NATO. When Putin has enough and bombs the shit out of everyone, I can't even blame him.
Exactly, unless they have some 5d chess move, they would be fools to accept ceasefire w/o their conditions being met. The Euros will use this to point to Russia as the warmonger when they refuse, then it's false flag incoming, then article 5, then ww3. Simplicius has details:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/us-and-ukraine-hatch-ceasefire-travesty
So far, I am not liking this move by DJT at all.
Agreed! Russia has said a hundred times that they are not interested in a ceasefire.
They are so close to winning they have no reason to stop.
Having a peace conversation with crazy zelinski without Russia is absurd and a waste of time.
This is not a win for America if our government continues to give money to Ukraine, or any other country, for that matter. There is no authority delegated to government to give our tax dollars to foreign nations.
If the cost is ignoring the Constitution as a first step, you negate any good by the act of usurping power not delegated.
You cannot Make America Great Again without having an an inviolable respect for the Constitution. POTUS only deserves our support, as long as he is not violating the limits of power delegated to him by our Constitution. This violates those limits.
The Constitution matters, and the limits of power are absolute.
For those of you who believe, I mean EARNESTLY believe POTUS is right, I challenge you to watch this video series regarding our Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of our Constitution established our Republic. I think you might change your mind as your ignorance is cured: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4
Entangling alliances are also 100% in opposition to the principles our founders established our Constitutional Republic upon. There is no power delegated to government to intervene in the affairs of other nations.
Our founders knew that the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.
Chapter and verse, please. It's not enough to state what the founders wrote elsewhere.
Show me where in the Constitution it states that it's unconstitutional for us to help our neighbors.
The law doesn't state that I enter my neighbor's burning house if I hear a screaming baby that will die unless I act. The Constitution is a great document. But it's not God.
Even if you can show me that it's somehow against the Constitution for us to help Ukraine and Russia to mend their fences? It's still better than the alternative: another world war, perhaps our last.
If you do not understand the principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was established, you have no hope of understanding the intent of the framers of the Constitution. Without the understanding of their intent, you cannot fully understand the Constitution.
It is really that simple. So simple, in fact, that our founders would be dumbfounded at how ignorant their posterity is in these subject areas.
Without reading the words of those who founded our Republic, you are not able to understand their views, opinions, beliefs, and intentions. Fortunately, you can still read, in their own words, exactly what they intended.
“And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government or information to the people. This last is the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
Letter to James Madison, Paris, December 20, 1787. The Political Writings Of Thomas Jefferson 68 (Dumbauld Ed. 1955)
One of their intentions, and something they believed would happen, is parents educating their children, communities keeping the knowledge alive, regarding liberty, government, the Constitution, and, most importantly, the principles upon which the Republic was established.
“Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 8 (1783)
Another hint on where to look to gain understanding and clarity into what the original intent was when our Constitution was written, and our Republic established.
“I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the states or to the people.' ... To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill (chartering the first Bank of the United States), have not, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
in opposition to the chartering of the first Bank of the United States (1791).
Notice that the limits of delegated power are absolutes. Not theoretical.
“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
to Justice William Johnson, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322
The following directly address the intentions of our founders in regards to foreign affairs:
“The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign affairs. Let the General Government be reduced to foreign concerns only, and let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce, which the merchants will manage the better, the more they are left free to manage for themselves, and our General Government may be reduced to a very simple organization, and a very inexpensive one; a few plain duties to be performed by a few servants.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
March 1800
“A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one nation the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens who devote themselves to the favorite nation, facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
Washington's Farewell Address 1796
“My policy has been, and will continue to be, while I have the honor to remain in the administration of the government, to be upon friendly terms with, but independent of, all the nations of the earth. To share in the broils of none. To fulfil our own engagements. To supply the wants, and be carriers for them all: Being thoroughly convinced that it is our policy and interest to do so.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
1795 - letter to Gouverneur Morris, Ref: Washington's Maxims, 54.
“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
Farewell Address, September 17, 1796, Ref: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (521)
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible... Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalships, interest, humor, or caprice?... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
“[America] goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.” ~ John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) 6th US President
Speech before the House of Representatives, July 4, 1821; quoted in William Bonner and Pierre Lemieux (Editors), The Idea of America (Les Belles Lettres, 2003), p. 237
“There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible... Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalships, interest, humor, or caprice?... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
So because you can't show me where the Constitution prohibits the United States from engaging with its neighbor to make peace and avert a world war, I'm hopeless.
Yep. Just as I figured. Letting you go so you can get back on your high horse now.
They kept their lives - after the war was declared over.
You're forgetting something: peacemaking is a process.
You're also forgetting that not every Ukrainian soldier is a Nazi. Some of them are as fine a human being as you or I, worthy of all dignity and respect.
I actually think this is a proxy war between Russia and the Global Cabal, led by NATO, UK, France, EU.
The Global Cabal desperately wants the US fully involved because they need our money and military equipment.
Why else would Z run to Starmer and Macron after getting bitch slapped side to side by Trump and Vance for 20 minutes or so?
POTUS is not going to fall into the trap. Russia is not our friend, but honestly, I think all of Europe hates the US more than Russia.
POTUS holds the most important cards (Money and Military Equipment, including Starlink and satellite tech for comms with military equipment down below).
In addition, I think there are some very dark secrets held within Ukraine. In addition to massive global money laundering, there are bioweapons labs all over the country. The "off limits" Chernobyl nuclear danger zone is probably filled with massive covert and black ops.
The best outcome would be a ceasefire and the US leaving NATO.
We can always decide to ride in and save the day if Russia gets aggressive with Europe, but we should never be forced to enter war all because we are part of a corrupt organization.
The EU is like the little loudmouth friend that starts fights in the bar and then runs behind the back of the big bruiser when they push it too far. If Europe has no guarantees that the US will have its back, they will behave much more cautiously, in my opinion.
I agree. The elite global cabal supporting US Presidents have been involved in this war to fulfill their own interests, not mine as an American citizen. Now that President Trump is in office, he will get us out of this bankers war.
I was responding to the question, "Why? They don't need any aid if they have a cease fire."
If we don't restore the previous support, then Russia would definitely have no reason to stop, Ukraine would be effectively disarmed.
President Trump removed the aid to FORCE Ukraine (EU,NATO) to agree to the ceasefire. It WORKED.
Now that Uklraine has agreed to it, Trump can apply pressure on Putin to ceasefire as well.
Do you really think the US has no cards to play against Russia in all of this?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that Russia will agree to a ceasefire within 48 hours. I'm date fagging hard on that, but let's see what happens.
Do you really think the US has no cards to play against Russia in all of this?
Our objective is obviously to destroy Russia, not make peace with them and have a "deal". With this "deal" with Ukraine, we have decidedly sided with Ukraine and pissed in Putin's face. We give Ukraine everything they want and will try to bully Putin into accepting it, because there is absolutely NOTHING in this "deal" that is a carrot to Russia--it's a fucking salad bar for Ukraine and a big ass stick for Russia. Putin is going to be pissed, and rightly so.
The US will now “immediately lift the pause on intelligence sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine.” Washington and Kiev have also discussed “humanitarian relief efforts,” including potential prisoner of war swaps, “release of civilian detainees” and other actions.
And yes, they want to destroy Russia if they're handing everything to Ukraine. We're back to funding the war they are supposedly stopping for 30 days... which gives them time to regroup with our weapons, intel, and cash, to go at Russia gain.
And hell, listen to the entire video. They flat out say that we're lifting the "pause" on all the support for Ukraine. When you arm one side with intel, weapons, and boatloads of cash, you kind of make it obvious whose side you're on. Russia isn't getting a fucking thing so far, save for the threat of NATO at their door again.
IMO, to have leverage in negotiating the other side of the ceasefire. Putin has not agreed to a ceasefire yet. Only Z has.
Now that Z has agreed to the ceasefire, POTUS is restoring the support for the purpose of getting Putin to also agree to a ceasefire as well. Until both sides agree, there is no ceasefire.
If POTUS did not restore the support, then Putin would have zero reason to stop aggression at all.
If I were a fly in the room, which I am clearly not, I would imagine Trump saying something like this to Putin.
I've gotten Ukraine to agree to a 30-day ceasefire so we can wind this down and save the lives of your citizens and theirs. Too many people are dying. You don't want to lose any more of your countrymen, and neither do the Ukrainians.
I've restored all support to Ukraine until you also agree to a ceasefire. Not only that, I am prepared to give Ukraine so much overwhelming support that you will lose every inch of territory that you've taken over the last 3 years. Remember those beautiful golden domes in Moscow we talked about during my first term? If you don't agree to a ceasefire immediately, you're going to lose those big beautiful golden domes, too. We'll wipe them out so fast you won't have any idea how we did it so quickly. We'll have to say bye-bye to those golden domes.
Agree to the ceasefire now, and you can keep the territory in the Donbas. We will ensure Ukraine never joins NATO. Oh, and you can keep your golden domes.
Not a credible scenario. Why would restoring aid to Ukraine be any worse than what they have already rolled over? The Russian requirements are simple and only need to be satisfied. It would mean Ukraine has to face the fact that it has lost, and the only difference in the outcome is whether they lose more men in combat. The Russians have so far spared the core electrical services, so there is always something worse they can impose on Ukraine. They have already been abjured by the West, so public relations mean nothing to them. Good PR is good if it aligns with their objectives ("What's the harm?"), but if not, it is useless and discarded. They really don't give a shit for anyone's opinion. Only for their reputation as a force to reckon with.
Leverage? Or an inducement? If Ukraine is willing to surrender, withdraw out of Russian and Novorossiyan territories and forswear any NATO membership, I think Putin would be happy to agree. He would have what he has always declared was necessary. The question is whether Trump can get Zelensky to do the right thing---but I am now coming to the belief that such a thing is impossible. Zelensky is at the mercy of powers that absolutely do not want the pacification of Ukraine. It could be his death warrant if he did agree.
If Ukraine wants to piss and moan about "security guarantees" and drag its feet at the last instant (which seems to be its style), the "deal" is no deal. Everyone forgets how the Eastern Front of World War II turned out. The residual Ukraine could end up as the only member of a "Kiev Pact" with Putin watching over their shoulders.
I will say that I admire the Russians. They behave like men, not like prancing dancers.
I agree that the prancing dancer is just a puppet.
As I've shared my belief elsewhere in this thread, the real proxy war is Russia vs NATO.
And NATO is being most strongly guided in this endeavor by UK and France, based on the prancing dancer scrambling to hug and huddle with Kier Starmer and Macron before and after his beatdown at the Whitehouse by POTUS and VPOTUS.
The Euro-Faction all want the US to fully commit to "boots on the ground" security in Ukraine. They do not want the war to end. None of them want peace. They all want US money, US equipment, and US soldiers if they can get them.
Not going to happen while Trump is POTUS.
Everyone calls Putin a liar, but the US and NATO lied about not expanding NATO eastward towards Russia. Time and again, those promises were broken, and with NATO on Russia's doorstep by making Ukraine the next to join NATO, Putin had enough and hit them hard. We would do the same thing if China or Russia was on our border. Look at the Cuban Missile Crisis as an example (which by the way, the US started by placing Jupiter Missiles in Turkey).
Shutting off the money and equipment was just as much, if not more, of a way to say to NATO "F-You." and not as much about saying anything to the prancing dancer. Z already showed that he is a puppet, and that's it. He holds no cards.
I do not think it is in Russia's long-term interest to be in perpetual war. I don't think Putin wants it to just keep going.
I'm not sure about all of the Novorossiyan area, but If Russia is offered the Donbas and is assured that Ukraine will never be in NATO, I would bet that he takes that deal and the war ends.
Quite so, with a few caveats. The Kievan genocide against the Donbass Russians was too much to tolerate, so that tipped the scales in addition to the other concerns. And the 4 oblasts (now Novorossiya) and Crimea ARE Russian territory insofar as Moscow is concerned, so there will be no negotiation over that.
I have no idea how Putin could ever be assured that Ukraine would not be infested by NATO. That's what happened, despite all kinds of assurances. Perhaps if the U.S. left NATO and left it a weak shell, that might be a balance. Otherwise, I think the idea of a "Kiev Pact," in parallel with the Warsaw Pact, might be the only solution that would provide assurance.
The west has lost any "leverage" it might have had with Russia. Sanctions? Hilarious. Russia is selling petroleum to any buyer...including the EU. "Agree to this ceasefire, or we will say bad things about you." (Putin has a paroxysm from laughing too loud.) I admit to channeling the Russian outlook on this, and it is surprising how easily it comes to me.
Do you really, honestly believe, that we can bully the country with:
The largest number of nuclear weapons.
Hypersonic missiles.
Oreshnik-like missiles.
A very strong and very capable military and the BEST continental military on the planet.
With a threat to bomb Moscow? Really?
This might work with Panama. Conversations between superpowers don't devolve to bullying or threats, because there is very, VERY little leverage that Trump has. And threatening Moscow with bombs is not it.
Pivoting to Russia, Trump said the same is true of Putin, who he claimed to have an excellent relationship with. He added that at one point, he told him: “Vladimir, if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard, you’re not even going to believe it. I’m going to hit you right in the middle of fricking Moscow… We’re friends. I don’t want to do it, but I have no choice.”
According to the former president, Putin reacted with disbelief, saying “no way.” “Way,” Trump responded. “You’re going to be hit so hard, and I’m going to take those f**king domes right off your head,” he reportedly said, apparently referring to the Russian leader’s Kremlin residence.
“I don’t want to comment, because this statement was made obviously in the context of the election campaign and I don’t want to comment on it,” he told journalist Pavel Zarubin. Earlier, Trump, at a meeting with the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal, said that he allegedly threatened Russian President Vladimir Putin to strike Moscow if Russia “persecutes Ukraine.”
Putin noted that he does not remember a threatening conversation with the former US leader.
He also said that there is no point in threatening Russia - it only invigorates.
I don't pretend to understand why restarting military aid is EVER a good idea when a country is in peace negotiations and was kidnapping citizens and conscripting them. WTFkgF
Ukrainians stop shooting while Russians, who have not yet agreed, keep shooting? >OK so we wait until Russian agree. [keep shooting]. Do what you like - you wanna stop shooting? I suggest withdrawing as fast as you can, because the Russians have not agreed to stop shooting, yet. Good luck. Conclusion? CHAOS. Prolly the ideologues will start shooting those who don't want to keep fighting. Mass desertion, and Mass surrender. Many will be on a long march, hiding.
demilitarization (RU/UKR had already agreed upon a cap-figure at Istanbul),
no Russian disrimination laws,
Ukraine remains Neutral,
no NATO in Ukraine. <This means USA will leave NATO, BTW, so that they can 'do business' in Ukraine, or not. AND if the first premise is true, it also means the end of NATO, because the chihuahuas and slush-fund artists have nothing.
Territory NOT negotiable, as the people in Donbas and Novorussya have voted and formally joined Russia. <This means ALL of it: withdraw UKR military from the bits that are still occupied.
And THEN there will be peace.
Oh, and BTW under the radar: Russian MoD announced in the last 48 hours that RU forces have entered Dnieprpetrovsk oblast. This means that they will prolly demand oblast-by-oblast elections, and add a referendum question: ask the residents whether they want Russians to stay or go...
I remember when Putin gave Trump a football, what you eroniously call a soccer ball and told him the ball is now in your court! Somehow, what you give out, becomes what you get!
One a side note, a bit of American - Russian humor.
Was just listening to Jack Reacher book Gone Tomorrow. Reacher is giving a break down on all the stuff the U.S. sent to Russia as part of Lend-Lease deal. He says that legend has it that the Russians requested a supply of condoms, and to try and impress the Americans, they requested that the condoms be 12 inches long. The Americans dutifully filled the request, and sent 12 inch condoms in boxes labeled "Size Medium."
That’s actually not entirely far off from an event that almost legitimately occurred. Though it reportedly occurred post war. Not as part of Lend-Lease.
American intelligence drew up a plan to have large and extra-large Condoms airdropped over Soviet occupied Europe in the 50s. But the Condoms would be in packages labeled Small and Medium
One of the hair-brained Cold-War schemes that never actually got off the ground. Though considering what else actually got the green-light and or just went farther along in development you actually have to wonder why the plug got pulled. Considering it seemed to be one of the stupider but more sane ideas.
There was the plan to Nuke the Moon to flex on the Soviets, the Chicken powered Nuclear Landmine. The Nuclear Recoilless Rifle that they actually got around to issuing at the company level for a few years. Till someone had the bright idea to ask if giving the enlisted a spicy football launcher and then leaving them unsupervised was a great idea.
Americans, yet again, get raped so some dictator can keep his throne. We keep giving the cokehead money and weapons to get him to stop being a war monger? And promise him "security" (which means US boots on the ground or NATO membership, which is what partially started this shit in the first place) while he continues to have martial law in his shitty country, not allowing anyone to say anything against him while he shits on the Russians that are still there? And, let me guess, no election, so this motherfucker keeps power so he can buy some more Bugattis and snort some more coke.
And what does Russia get out of this? Starmer and that lot at his front door, ready to take his country like they've wanted to do forever so they can have their globalist utopia?
I thought Trump was going to play hardball with this little tranny. Instead, he just bent our country over so we can get raped some more. This sucks. If I were Putin, I'd tell us to go pound sand.
I do "hope" that everyone realizes what this means for PDJT to get the peace in this region? IF there is war ALL THE TIME there is NO way commerce can flow across the borders to help BOTH sides of this conflict... Getting the PEACE at any cost will go a long way in achieve STABILITY FOR UKRAINE AND ALSO FOR RUSSIA!!!!!!
PDJT is a MAN that LOOKS ahead and sees the future as what IT should be NOT what it could be!!!!!
The attack on Moscow was a last-ditch effort by Ukraine (EU, UK, France, NATO) to try and kill the Saudi Arabia peace talks today held by Rubio, Waltz, and team.
I believe Trump and Putin both know the true enemy in this war is the EU/UK/France/NATO.
This whole thing started because the Eurogroup was trying to add Ukraine to NATO. This is the equivalent of Russia or China setting up shop in Mexico or Canada. We would never allow that.
The EU/UK/France/NATO cabal has proven they cannot support or defend Ukraine without the US. Trump knows this. Trump knows he has all the cards. Putin knows this, too.
First step, make the dickhead in chief snot-faced-fluck-stick Zelenskyy sit down and shut the fluck up.
Then, discuss with Putin how to carve off part of eastern Ukraine for Russia and end the war.
Why does Russia get part of Ukraine? Same reason they got part of Crimea and Georgia. They want a damn buffer from the evil cabal known as NATO.
NATO and the EU are NOT the friends of the US. They want the US to fall more than anyone else.
Actually it really started in 2014 when Ukraine started bombing the Russians in the Donbas region after the Russians annexed Crimea. BTW - Zelensky didn't become President until 2019, so the skirmishes were under an acting President, likely backed up by Victoria Nuland, USAID, and NED.
NATO wasn't (and still isn't) innocent, but Ukraine wanting to join NATO isn't the only reason for the ongoing war.
Here's what Grok said when I asked when Ukraine started bombing Donbass.
The conflict in the Donbas region, which includes parts of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, began in 2014, following Russia’s annexation of Crimea. There’s no single, precise date for when "Ukraine started bombing Donbas," as the situation evolved gradually with escalating violence rather than a sudden onset of aerial bombardment. However, the Ukrainian government’s military response, termed the "Anti-Terrorist Operation" (ATO), was officially launched on April 15, 2014, under acting President Oleksandr Turchynov. This marked the beginning of concerted efforts to counter pro-Russian separatists who had seized government buildings and declared independence in the region.
The roots of the conflict trace back to early April 2014. On April 6–7, pro-Russian activists, supported by Russian operatives like Igor Girkin (Strelkov), stormed security service (SBU) offices in Donetsk and Luhansk, arming themselves and calling for referendums on independence. By April 12, Girkin’s group had taken Sloviansk, sparking armed clashes. Ukraine’s initial response involved ground operations to reclaim control, with fighting intensifying over the following weeks. The first significant use of heavy weaponry, including artillery and airstrikes by Ukrainian forces, emerged in late May and early June 2014. For instance, on May 26, Ukrainian forces used air support to retake Donetsk airport from separatists, marking a notable escalation. By June 19–20, battles like the one near Krasny Lyman saw the Ukrainian military deploying air and artillery strikes against insurgent positions, as part of efforts to secure key areas.
Both sides used heavy weapons as the conflict grew. Separatists, backed by Russia with arms and personnel, employed artillery and Grad rockets, while Ukraine responded with similar firepower to dislodge them. Civilian areas were caught in the crossfire, leading to significant casualties—over 14,000 deaths by early 2022, including civilians, Ukrainian soldiers, and separatist fighters. The narrative of "Ukraine bombing Donbas" is often framed differently depending on perspective: Russian propaganda claims it was unprovoked aggression against Russian-speaking populations, while Ukraine asserts it was a defensive response to Russian-orchestrated separatism.
So, to answer directly: Ukraine’s military operations, including the use of bombing and shelling, began in earnest in April 2014 with the ATO, with notable airstrikes documented by late May 2014. The conflict’s complexity—blending local unrest, Russian intervention, and Ukrainian counteraction—means the "start" depends on how you define "bombing." If you mean sustained military engagement with heavy weapons, mid-2014 is when it became prominent.
This is referred to as a "Color Revolution" and is worth studying. Norm Eisen is a huge part of Color Revolutions around the world as well. The CIA conducted these operations in Central and South America many times last century.
One could make a very strong argument that the first Color Revolution conducted within the borders of the United States was the 2020 Presidential Election. Many of the same exact tactics that our intelligence agencies used worldwide were directed inward in the effort to defeat President Trump once and for all, including all of the court cases, lawfare, and direct assassination attempts on Donald J Trump's life.
It's something we used to see all the time on "other countries." We saw it in those dirty "Banana Republics." And here we are staring it directly in the face, right here in the United States of America.
It's likely the number one reason USAID was really shut down. They were doing much more than money laundering. They were conducting coups around the world and eventually made their move on their own country.
You honestly think Trump knows the enemy is EU/UK/France/NATO (and Ukraine)? Why hand that little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit everything he wants, then? He's getting money, weapons, and intel during a damned ceasefire. I don't get how it helps peace to arm this asshole to the gills and hand him intel on top of it! Seems to me that Trump picked a side and chose Ukraine/EU/NATO/UK/France and will lose the first opportunity we've had in a long time to actually make an alliance with Russia.
There is no ceasefire right now. The only thing I am aware of is that the little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit has agreed to a ceasefire, but Putin has not yet.
The reason POTUS has said he will support said cokehead piece of shit dictator is so that there is an actual deterence to Putin to stop further aggression and get Putin to also agree to a ceasefire. If the money and military was not restored then Trump would have no leverage with Putin, who again, has not agreed to a ceasefire yet, which means there is no ceasefire.
Once there is a ceasefire, then POTUS can work on actually ending the war for good.
Once the war is ended for good, then we will not be spending money and shipping military equipment in because the war will be over.
Keep in mind, all of the money and military support was turned off just a few days ago. This is what FORCED the little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit to agree to a ceasefire. He realized he was hung out to dry as soon as POTUS shut it off. The EU/NATO/UK/France Cabal realized it, too.They are a bunch of useless cucks that want nothing more than to drag the US deeper into the war and perhaps WWIII.
They are all FOOKED without US support. They know it. We know it. Putin knows it. Everyone knows it.
Next up, Trump and Putin figure shit out and then we have an actual ceasefire once Putin agrees to a ceasefire. Until then, it's SNAFU.
The problem with this is that we have handed Ukraine a fucking silver platter filled with goodies. And Rubio flat out says that the only thing Russia can do is accept.
The fact that they're selling this as "Ukraine really wants peace" and now we'll see if Russia does is so ridiculous that it's fucking laughable. Ukraine agreed because our bribe was large enough to convince that little cokehead to agree, which includes money, weapons, and us protecting them. And we just expect Russia to go along with it when we haven't offered them a damned thing except more threats at their door.
If I were Putin, I'd tell Trump to fuck off. He made his choice. Unless we can buy them off, too, I see no reason for Putin to agree, not when the US is giving Ukraine everything they need to stomp Russia into the dirt and calling it "peace".
In all honesty, I feel like this is just setting it up so that we (and all the war mongers in NATO) have cause to start WW3 by attacking Russia. Give them a "deal" that is a huge pile of shit, then call them evil when they refuse to grab a spoon and choke it down.
It occurred to me that maybe Trump wants the war to end so the USA can go into the embassy, get rid of the DS people Biden put there (well probably Obama and Rice), replace them with patriots, and start gathering evidence on everything that went on up to this point. I'm sure we also want to get in there and remove all the bad stuff the DS put in the biolabs - if any are still left standing.
Imagine how much stuff is hidden in our embassy or in Z's office that shows how the DS took over that country and used it as their bank, lab, and way-station for smuggling, organ trade, and child abuse.
Putin knows what went on in Ukraine and wanted to stop the same stuff - and the NAZIs as well. It's possible the new aid is to get Ukraine's military back to their home area, quit fighting, and allow teams to go in and ensure stuff that was put there is removed and not sold to terrorists or arms dealers.
That's an interesting perspective. The fact that General Flynn posted on x about the child trafficking, drug trafficking, etc. in Ukraine, and Tulsi talked about the bioweapon factories there, is enough to tell me that Trump has to know what a corrupt place it is and how it's been used for the elite to carry out their dirty deeds. I think that's one reason this irked me so much--that and the fact that handing those assholes more money grates beyond belief.
If he actually uses this to take little Z down, and dismantle NATO, I'm all for it. I'm just not real hopeful that's the case after the way Rubio phrased the part about using this to show who the bad guy is if Russia refuses to accept the stick after giving the midget tyrant a huge bowl of carrots.
I feel like we are completely on the same page, but we are just not connecting at all on how we are explaining our view to each other.
In my personal opinion only, I believe we are watching a major Trump negotiation taking place before our eyes.
As you so masterfully described the little cokehead dictator, he is the punk ass bitch that needs to be dealt with first. He supposedly agreed to the "mineral deal" 4 times and kept reneging (at the behest of NATO/UK/France, IMO). The little shit literally flew across the Atlantic and bear hugged Kier Starmer the same day he got his ass whooped in the Whitehouse. Coincidently, Starmer was in the White House the day before, and Macron was in the White House 3 days before. They are all working and colluding together to get the US into the war by making the US Guarantee Security of Ukraine. This means boots on the ground and way more money, blood, and treasure than we have already wasted.
The current status TODAY, as it relates to military equipment and money, is no different than 1 week ago.
What happened in the last week?
Trump shut off all the money, equipment, satellites, and intelligence sharing. The little cokehead and NATO/UK/France realized they were 100% fooked, and so the cokehead finally agreed to a ceasefire.
The reason POTUS turned it all back on to how it was 1 week ago, is so that he can negotiate the other half of the ceasefire with Putin. To negotiate with Putin, he has to make Ukraine strong, and he has done so by turning the support back on.
If it leads to an actual ceasefire, which leads to the end of the war, everyone involved wins, including US taxpayers who have been ripped off for years over this worldwide clusterfuck of a money laundering operation that has only enriched the global cabal we are fighting against.
Ukraine does a last-minute drone strike and then agrees to a 30-day ceasefire. Russ is going to say, 'Hold on, I'll retaliate to it,' then say, 'Okay, I’ll agree.' Then Lil Z is going to say, 'No, I’ve lost all my cards, and now I don’t agree to the ceasefire.'
So if you go back and look at the videos of trumps policy platform during the campaign he spoke about the American Academy. It will be the equivalent of a 4yr bachelors and he would make employers accept it as the equivalent. He said it would be free, and funded by EUROPE for the Ukraine fiasco.
I can't find the video on his campaign site, but if you google American Academy it speaks to funding from existing universities, not Ukraine.
@0:31 Secretary of State Marco Rubio said,
I love me some comms. ⚽🤔
UPDATE TO EDIT: BREAKING — PUTIN AGREES TO 30 DAY CEASEFIRE IN UKRAINE.
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This. For sure, this.
Russia shouldn’t accept this. It will give Ukraine time to regroup. I am also not a fan of restarting military aid to Ukraine. I would just as soon just walk away from it and let them in those parts figure it out.
It's called negotiations for a reason.
The problem is that as long as the U.S. is a part of NATO it will always be involved. The UK/EU strategy will be to drag the U.S. into a war with Russia.
Hopefully, when this peace plan falls through, Trump will use it as an opportunity to wash his hands of the mess. And then that would remove us from any false flag fuckery.
I agree completely. With us throwing more money at the cokehead, giving him some more weapons so he can sell some of them on the black market for cents on the dollar, and all of our intel so he can go after Russia and hurt them more, it's obvious that we don't want peace. We just want to suck Ukraine's tiny dick just like the rest of the EU and help them take over Russia. I love how "security" was promised... aka, either US boots on the ground or joining NATO. When Putin has enough and bombs the shit out of everyone, I can't even blame him.
Exactly, unless they have some 5d chess move, they would be fools to accept ceasefire w/o their conditions being met. The Euros will use this to point to Russia as the warmonger when they refuse, then it's false flag incoming, then article 5, then ww3. Simplicius has details: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/us-and-ukraine-hatch-ceasefire-travesty So far, I am not liking this move by DJT at all.
Agreed! Russia has said a hundred times that they are not interested in a ceasefire. They are so close to winning they have no reason to stop. Having a peace conversation with crazy zelinski without Russia is absurd and a waste of time.
Israel countlessly violated their ceasefire agreements by preventing aid into Gaza
No surprise, they always do
Also
https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1899531939104657735
Bonus blyat:
https://x.com/Worldwar_3_/status/1899226259852341254
This is not a win for America if our government continues to give money to Ukraine, or any other country, for that matter. There is no authority delegated to government to give our tax dollars to foreign nations.
No one said it's a win. It's a first step toward peace, well-negotiated by Trump, Marco, and company.
You expected Ukraine to cease fire w/o getting something in return?
The return for them is not losing any more territory than they have already.$200+ billion is already far too much.
If the cost is ignoring the Constitution as a first step, you negate any good by the act of usurping power not delegated.
You cannot Make America Great Again without having an an inviolable respect for the Constitution. POTUS only deserves our support, as long as he is not violating the limits of power delegated to him by our Constitution. This violates those limits.
The Constitution matters, and the limits of power are absolute.
For those of you who believe, I mean EARNESTLY believe POTUS is right, I challenge you to watch this video series regarding our Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of our Constitution established our Republic. I think you might change your mind as your ignorance is cured: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4
Please explain to me how brokering peace between two nations is a violation of the U.S. Constitution.
Brokering peace isn't. Giving American money is.
Entangling alliances are also 100% in opposition to the principles our founders established our Constitutional Republic upon. There is no power delegated to government to intervene in the affairs of other nations.
Our founders knew that the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.
Show me where in the Constitution it states that it's unconstitutional for us to help our neighbors.
Even if you can show me that it's somehow against the Constitution for us to help Ukraine and Russia to mend their fences? It's still better than the alternative: another world war, perhaps our last.
If you do not understand the principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was established, you have no hope of understanding the intent of the framers of the Constitution. Without the understanding of their intent, you cannot fully understand the Constitution.
It is really that simple. So simple, in fact, that our founders would be dumbfounded at how ignorant their posterity is in these subject areas.
Without reading the words of those who founded our Republic, you are not able to understand their views, opinions, beliefs, and intentions. Fortunately, you can still read, in their own words, exactly what they intended.
“And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government or information to the people. This last is the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Letter to James Madison, Paris, December 20, 1787. The Political Writings Of Thomas Jefferson 68 (Dumbauld Ed. 1955)
One of their intentions, and something they believed would happen, is parents educating their children, communities keeping the knowledge alive, regarding liberty, government, the Constitution, and, most importantly, the principles upon which the Republic was established.
“Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 8 (1783)
Another hint on where to look to gain understanding and clarity into what the original intent was when our Constitution was written, and our Republic established.
“I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the states or to the people.' ... To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill (chartering the first Bank of the United States), have not, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President in opposition to the chartering of the first Bank of the United States (1791).
Notice that the limits of delegated power are absolutes. Not theoretical.
“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President to Justice William Johnson, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322
The following directly address the intentions of our founders in regards to foreign affairs:
“The true theory of our Constitution is surely the wisest and best, that the States are independent as to everything within themselves, and united as to everything respecting foreign affairs. Let the General Government be reduced to foreign concerns only, and let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations, except as to commerce, which the merchants will manage the better, the more they are left free to manage for themselves, and our General Government may be reduced to a very simple organization, and a very inexpensive one; a few plain duties to be performed by a few servants.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President March 1800
“A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one nation the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens who devote themselves to the favorite nation, facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' Washington's Farewell Address 1796
“My policy has been, and will continue to be, while I have the honor to remain in the administration of the government, to be upon friendly terms with, but independent of, all the nations of the earth. To share in the broils of none. To fulfil our own engagements. To supply the wants, and be carriers for them all: Being thoroughly convinced that it is our policy and interest to do so.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' 1795 - letter to Gouverneur Morris, Ref: Washington's Maxims, 54.
“Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country' Farewell Address, September 17, 1796, Ref: George Washington: A Collection, W.B. Allen, ed. (521)
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible... Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalships, interest, humor, or caprice?... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
“[America] goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.” ~ John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) 6th US President Speech before the House of Representatives, July 4, 1821; quoted in William Bonner and Pierre Lemieux (Editors), The Idea of America (Les Belles Lettres, 2003), p. 237
“There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
“The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations to have as little political connection as possible... Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalships, interest, humor, or caprice?... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
So because you can't show me where the Constitution prohibits the United States from engaging with its neighbor to make peace and avert a world war, I'm hopeless.
Yep. Just as I figured. Letting you go so you can get back on your high horse now.
They kept their lives - after the war was declared over.
You're forgetting something: peacemaking is a process.
You're also forgetting that not every Ukrainian soldier is a Nazi. Some of them are as fine a human being as you or I, worthy of all dignity and respect.
I actually think this is a proxy war between Russia and the Global Cabal, led by NATO, UK, France, EU.
The Global Cabal desperately wants the US fully involved because they need our money and military equipment.
Why else would Z run to Starmer and Macron after getting bitch slapped side to side by Trump and Vance for 20 minutes or so?
POTUS is not going to fall into the trap. Russia is not our friend, but honestly, I think all of Europe hates the US more than Russia.
POTUS holds the most important cards (Money and Military Equipment, including Starlink and satellite tech for comms with military equipment down below).
In addition, I think there are some very dark secrets held within Ukraine. In addition to massive global money laundering, there are bioweapons labs all over the country. The "off limits" Chernobyl nuclear danger zone is probably filled with massive covert and black ops.
The best outcome would be a ceasefire and the US leaving NATO.
We can always decide to ride in and save the day if Russia gets aggressive with Europe, but we should never be forced to enter war all because we are part of a corrupt organization.
The EU is like the little loudmouth friend that starts fights in the bar and then runs behind the back of the big bruiser when they push it too far. If Europe has no guarantees that the US will have its back, they will behave much more cautiously, in my opinion.
I agree. The elite global cabal supporting US Presidents have been involved in this war to fulfill their own interests, not mine as an American citizen. Now that President Trump is in office, he will get us out of this bankers war.
Yeah, but according to your own analogy, it's more akin to 1943 rather than 1945.
When Russians are going to occupy 80% of Ukraine including Kiev, then we can make the same analogy.
Hey. I'm an American. I can use whatever frigging analogy I like.
And we may be far closer to 1943 than you think. Time will tell.
Congress. Both sides of the aisle, I believe.
It's maybe temporary but still a MOUNTAINOUS win for Trump to stop the killing and dying for some time period anyway
He gets enormous cred, plus less death...win/win
🤔🦁💥 BREAKING -- TRUMP RESTARTS MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE. 🤔🦁💥
WTH? Why? They don't need any aid if they have a cease fire, and the war stops.
To keep the pressure on Russia so they agree to the ceasefire.
Why would they agree to it?
They are seriously winning, and their own conditions have not been met.
Usually, it's the winner that sets terms, not the loser.
I was responding to the question, "Why? They don't need any aid if they have a cease fire."
If we don't restore the previous support, then Russia would definitely have no reason to stop, Ukraine would be effectively disarmed.
President Trump removed the aid to FORCE Ukraine (EU,NATO) to agree to the ceasefire. It WORKED.
Now that Uklraine has agreed to it, Trump can apply pressure on Putin to ceasefire as well.
Do you really think the US has no cards to play against Russia in all of this?
I am going to go out on a limb and say that Russia will agree to a ceasefire within 48 hours. I'm date fagging hard on that, but let's see what happens.
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UPDATE TO EDIT: THIS DATEFAG WORKED!!
💥🦁🌍 BREAKING -- PUTIN AGREES TO 30 DAY CEASEFIRE IN UKRAINE. 💥🦁🌍
Our objective is obviously to destroy Russia, not make peace with them and have a "deal". With this "deal" with Ukraine, we have decidedly sided with Ukraine and pissed in Putin's face. We give Ukraine everything they want and will try to bully Putin into accepting it, because there is absolutely NOTHING in this "deal" that is a carrot to Russia--it's a fucking salad bar for Ukraine and a big ass stick for Russia. Putin is going to be pissed, and rightly so.
BREAKING -- PUTIN AGREES TO 30 DAY CEASEFIRE IN UKRAINE.
Where are all of the details on the deal you seem to know so much about?
Do you have any sauce for who is getting what and when?
And since when is our objective "obviously" to destroy Russia? This is the first I am hearing of this. Any sauce for that either?
There's this:
https://www.rt.com/news/614046-ukraine-us-ceasefire-proposal/
And yes, they want to destroy Russia if they're handing everything to Ukraine. We're back to funding the war they are supposedly stopping for 30 days... which gives them time to regroup with our weapons, intel, and cash, to go at Russia gain.
And hell, listen to the entire video. They flat out say that we're lifting the "pause" on all the support for Ukraine. When you arm one side with intel, weapons, and boatloads of cash, you kind of make it obvious whose side you're on. Russia isn't getting a fucking thing so far, save for the threat of NATO at their door again.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/just-ukraine-agrees-ceasefire/
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Why?
IMO, to have leverage in negotiating the other side of the ceasefire. Putin has not agreed to a ceasefire yet. Only Z has.
Now that Z has agreed to the ceasefire, POTUS is restoring the support for the purpose of getting Putin to also agree to a ceasefire as well. Until both sides agree, there is no ceasefire.
If POTUS did not restore the support, then Putin would have zero reason to stop aggression at all.
If I were a fly in the room, which I am clearly not, I would imagine Trump saying something like this to Putin.
Not a credible scenario. Why would restoring aid to Ukraine be any worse than what they have already rolled over? The Russian requirements are simple and only need to be satisfied. It would mean Ukraine has to face the fact that it has lost, and the only difference in the outcome is whether they lose more men in combat. The Russians have so far spared the core electrical services, so there is always something worse they can impose on Ukraine. They have already been abjured by the West, so public relations mean nothing to them. Good PR is good if it aligns with their objectives ("What's the harm?"), but if not, it is useless and discarded. They really don't give a shit for anyone's opinion. Only for their reputation as a force to reckon with.
How much leverage would POTUS have in negotiating a ceasefire with Putin if Ukraine has no defense at all?
Leverage? Or an inducement? If Ukraine is willing to surrender, withdraw out of Russian and Novorossiyan territories and forswear any NATO membership, I think Putin would be happy to agree. He would have what he has always declared was necessary. The question is whether Trump can get Zelensky to do the right thing---but I am now coming to the belief that such a thing is impossible. Zelensky is at the mercy of powers that absolutely do not want the pacification of Ukraine. It could be his death warrant if he did agree.
If Ukraine wants to piss and moan about "security guarantees" and drag its feet at the last instant (which seems to be its style), the "deal" is no deal. Everyone forgets how the Eastern Front of World War II turned out. The residual Ukraine could end up as the only member of a "Kiev Pact" with Putin watching over their shoulders.
I will say that I admire the Russians. They behave like men, not like prancing dancers.
I agree that the prancing dancer is just a puppet.
As I've shared my belief elsewhere in this thread, the real proxy war is Russia vs NATO.
And NATO is being most strongly guided in this endeavor by UK and France, based on the prancing dancer scrambling to hug and huddle with Kier Starmer and Macron before and after his beatdown at the Whitehouse by POTUS and VPOTUS.
The Euro-Faction all want the US to fully commit to "boots on the ground" security in Ukraine. They do not want the war to end. None of them want peace. They all want US money, US equipment, and US soldiers if they can get them.
Not going to happen while Trump is POTUS.
Everyone calls Putin a liar, but the US and NATO lied about not expanding NATO eastward towards Russia. Time and again, those promises were broken, and with NATO on Russia's doorstep by making Ukraine the next to join NATO, Putin had enough and hit them hard. We would do the same thing if China or Russia was on our border. Look at the Cuban Missile Crisis as an example (which by the way, the US started by placing Jupiter Missiles in Turkey).
Shutting off the money and equipment was just as much, if not more, of a way to say to NATO "F-You." and not as much about saying anything to the prancing dancer. Z already showed that he is a puppet, and that's it. He holds no cards.
I do not think it is in Russia's long-term interest to be in perpetual war. I don't think Putin wants it to just keep going.
I'm not sure about all of the Novorossiyan area, but If Russia is offered the Donbas and is assured that Ukraine will never be in NATO, I would bet that he takes that deal and the war ends.
Quite so, with a few caveats. The Kievan genocide against the Donbass Russians was too much to tolerate, so that tipped the scales in addition to the other concerns. And the 4 oblasts (now Novorossiya) and Crimea ARE Russian territory insofar as Moscow is concerned, so there will be no negotiation over that.
I have no idea how Putin could ever be assured that Ukraine would not be infested by NATO. That's what happened, despite all kinds of assurances. Perhaps if the U.S. left NATO and left it a weak shell, that might be a balance. Otherwise, I think the idea of a "Kiev Pact," in parallel with the Warsaw Pact, might be the only solution that would provide assurance.
The west has lost any "leverage" it might have had with Russia. Sanctions? Hilarious. Russia is selling petroleum to any buyer...including the EU. "Agree to this ceasefire, or we will say bad things about you." (Putin has a paroxysm from laughing too loud.) I admit to channeling the Russian outlook on this, and it is surprising how easily it comes to me.
Fren,
Do you really, honestly believe, that we can bully the country with:
With a threat to bomb Moscow? Really?
This might work with Panama. Conversations between superpowers don't devolve to bullying or threats, because there is very, VERY little leverage that Trump has. And threatening Moscow with bombs is not it.
No, I do not believe we can bully the country with the items you note.
I was simply pointing out that Trump already claimed to have threatened Putin with "hitting Moscow" and maybe he would follow through with it now.
Original story:
Trump claims he threatened Putin with strike on Moscow
Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov's response:
Lavrov said that Trump’s threats to strike Moscow were made as part of PR
Yes but that was in 2019.
Anyway, I'll take your 48-hour offer. Let's revisit this in 48 to 72 hours :).
How about 24 hours?
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Sounds good. I appreciate your comments, as always, fren.
I don't pretend to understand why restarting military aid is EVER a good idea when a country is in peace negotiations and was kidnapping citizens and conscripting them. WTFkgF
Just cross referencing...
Ukraine Agrees To 30 Day Cease Fire With Russia
"The ball is now in their [Russia's] court..."
What does ceasefire mean though?
Ukrainians stop shooting while Russians, who have not yet agreed, keep shooting? >OK so we wait until Russian agree. [keep shooting]. Do what you like - you wanna stop shooting? I suggest withdrawing as fast as you can, because the Russians have not agreed to stop shooting, yet. Good luck. Conclusion? CHAOS. Prolly the ideologues will start shooting those who don't want to keep fighting. Mass desertion, and Mass surrender. Many will be on a long march, hiding.
Russians have said from the start that they want:
denazification (i.e. proper internationally monitored elections),
demilitarization (RU/UKR had already agreed upon a cap-figure at Istanbul),
no Russian disrimination laws,
Ukraine remains Neutral,
no NATO in Ukraine. <This means USA will leave NATO, BTW, so that they can 'do business' in Ukraine, or not. AND if the first premise is true, it also means the end of NATO, because the chihuahuas and slush-fund artists have nothing.
Territory NOT negotiable, as the people in Donbas and Novorussya have voted and formally joined Russia. <This means ALL of it: withdraw UKR military from the bits that are still occupied.
And THEN there will be peace.
Oh, and BTW under the radar: Russian MoD announced in the last 48 hours that RU forces have entered Dnieprpetrovsk oblast. This means that they will prolly demand oblast-by-oblast elections, and add a referendum question: ask the residents whether they want Russians to stay or go...
Strange how certain groups on this planet hate transparent elections yet cry freedom.
I remember when Putin gave Trump a football, what you eroniously call a soccer ball and told him the ball is now in your court! Somehow, what you give out, becomes what you get!
60 days? Jeez. It seems like it’s been far longer than that with all the stuff going on
Great news.
One a side note, a bit of American - Russian humor.
Was just listening to Jack Reacher book Gone Tomorrow. Reacher is giving a break down on all the stuff the U.S. sent to Russia as part of Lend-Lease deal. He says that legend has it that the Russians requested a supply of condoms, and to try and impress the Americans, they requested that the condoms be 12 inches long. The Americans dutifully filled the request, and sent 12 inch condoms in boxes labeled "Size Medium."
That’s actually not entirely far off from an event that almost legitimately occurred. Though it reportedly occurred post war. Not as part of Lend-Lease.
American intelligence drew up a plan to have large and extra-large Condoms airdropped over Soviet occupied Europe in the 50s. But the Condoms would be in packages labeled Small and Medium
One of the hair-brained Cold-War schemes that never actually got off the ground. Though considering what else actually got the green-light and or just went farther along in development you actually have to wonder why the plug got pulled. Considering it seemed to be one of the stupider but more sane ideas.
There was the plan to Nuke the Moon to flex on the Soviets, the Chicken powered Nuclear Landmine. The Nuclear Recoilless Rifle that they actually got around to issuing at the company level for a few years. Till someone had the bright idea to ask if giving the enlisted a spicy football launcher and then leaving them unsupervised was a great idea.
So on and so forth.
Wow Crazy!
Fingers crossed that cease fire holds.
This is fucking bullshit.
Americans, yet again, get raped so some dictator can keep his throne. We keep giving the cokehead money and weapons to get him to stop being a war monger? And promise him "security" (which means US boots on the ground or NATO membership, which is what partially started this shit in the first place) while he continues to have martial law in his shitty country, not allowing anyone to say anything against him while he shits on the Russians that are still there? And, let me guess, no election, so this motherfucker keeps power so he can buy some more Bugattis and snort some more coke.
And what does Russia get out of this? Starmer and that lot at his front door, ready to take his country like they've wanted to do forever so they can have their globalist utopia?
I thought Trump was going to play hardball with this little tranny. Instead, he just bent our country over so we can get raped some more. This sucks. If I were Putin, I'd tell us to go pound sand.
My guess it’s is to get their troops out of Kursk, then re-arm, consolidate forces and then counterattack.
I do "hope" that everyone realizes what this means for PDJT to get the peace in this region? IF there is war ALL THE TIME there is NO way commerce can flow across the borders to help BOTH sides of this conflict... Getting the PEACE at any cost will go a long way in achieve STABILITY FOR UKRAINE AND ALSO FOR RUSSIA!!!!!!
PDJT is a MAN that LOOKS ahead and sees the future as what IT should be NOT what it could be!!!!!
Can’t wait to read the headlines about The View blowing their gaskets live on TV in response to this
Putin will not go for it. He has the upper hand on the battle field and they just attacked Moscow.
The attack on Moscow was a last-ditch effort by Ukraine (EU, UK, France, NATO) to try and kill the Saudi Arabia peace talks today held by Rubio, Waltz, and team.
I believe Trump and Putin both know the true enemy in this war is the EU/UK/France/NATO.
This whole thing started because the Eurogroup was trying to add Ukraine to NATO. This is the equivalent of Russia or China setting up shop in Mexico or Canada. We would never allow that.
The EU/UK/France/NATO cabal has proven they cannot support or defend Ukraine without the US. Trump knows this. Trump knows he has all the cards. Putin knows this, too.
First step, make the dickhead in chief snot-faced-fluck-stick Zelenskyy sit down and shut the fluck up.
Then, discuss with Putin how to carve off part of eastern Ukraine for Russia and end the war.
Why does Russia get part of Ukraine? Same reason they got part of Crimea and Georgia. They want a damn buffer from the evil cabal known as NATO.
NATO and the EU are NOT the friends of the US. They want the US to fall more than anyone else.
All my personal opinion only.
Actually it really started in 2014 when Ukraine started bombing the Russians in the Donbas region after the Russians annexed Crimea. BTW - Zelensky didn't become President until 2019, so the skirmishes were under an acting President, likely backed up by Victoria Nuland, USAID, and NED.
NATO wasn't (and still isn't) innocent, but Ukraine wanting to join NATO isn't the only reason for the ongoing war.
Here's what Grok said when I asked when Ukraine started bombing Donbass.
This is referred to as a "Color Revolution" and is worth studying. Norm Eisen is a huge part of Color Revolutions around the world as well. The CIA conducted these operations in Central and South America many times last century.
One could make a very strong argument that the first Color Revolution conducted within the borders of the United States was the 2020 Presidential Election. Many of the same exact tactics that our intelligence agencies used worldwide were directed inward in the effort to defeat President Trump once and for all, including all of the court cases, lawfare, and direct assassination attempts on Donald J Trump's life.
It's something we used to see all the time on "other countries." We saw it in those dirty "Banana Republics." And here we are staring it directly in the face, right here in the United States of America.
It's likely the number one reason USAID was really shut down. They were doing much more than money laundering. They were conducting coups around the world and eventually made their move on their own country.
u/#5genwarfare
You honestly think Trump knows the enemy is EU/UK/France/NATO (and Ukraine)? Why hand that little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit everything he wants, then? He's getting money, weapons, and intel during a damned ceasefire. I don't get how it helps peace to arm this asshole to the gills and hand him intel on top of it! Seems to me that Trump picked a side and chose Ukraine/EU/NATO/UK/France and will lose the first opportunity we've had in a long time to actually make an alliance with Russia.
There is no ceasefire right now. The only thing I am aware of is that the little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit has agreed to a ceasefire, but Putin has not yet.
The reason POTUS has said he will support said cokehead piece of shit dictator is so that there is an actual deterence to Putin to stop further aggression and get Putin to also agree to a ceasefire. If the money and military was not restored then Trump would have no leverage with Putin, who again, has not agreed to a ceasefire yet, which means there is no ceasefire.
Once there is a ceasefire, then POTUS can work on actually ending the war for good.
Once the war is ended for good, then we will not be spending money and shipping military equipment in because the war will be over.
Keep in mind, all of the money and military support was turned off just a few days ago. This is what FORCED the little dictator midget cokehead piece of shit to agree to a ceasefire. He realized he was hung out to dry as soon as POTUS shut it off. The EU/NATO/UK/France Cabal realized it, too.They are a bunch of useless cucks that want nothing more than to drag the US deeper into the war and perhaps WWIII.
They are all FOOKED without US support. They know it. We know it. Putin knows it. Everyone knows it.
Next up, Trump and Putin figure shit out and then we have an actual ceasefire once Putin agrees to a ceasefire. Until then, it's SNAFU.
The problem with this is that we have handed Ukraine a fucking silver platter filled with goodies. And Rubio flat out says that the only thing Russia can do is accept.
The fact that they're selling this as "Ukraine really wants peace" and now we'll see if Russia does is so ridiculous that it's fucking laughable. Ukraine agreed because our bribe was large enough to convince that little cokehead to agree, which includes money, weapons, and us protecting them. And we just expect Russia to go along with it when we haven't offered them a damned thing except more threats at their door.
If I were Putin, I'd tell Trump to fuck off. He made his choice. Unless we can buy them off, too, I see no reason for Putin to agree, not when the US is giving Ukraine everything they need to stomp Russia into the dirt and calling it "peace".
In all honesty, I feel like this is just setting it up so that we (and all the war mongers in NATO) have cause to start WW3 by attacking Russia. Give them a "deal" that is a huge pile of shit, then call them evil when they refuse to grab a spoon and choke it down.
It occurred to me that maybe Trump wants the war to end so the USA can go into the embassy, get rid of the DS people Biden put there (well probably Obama and Rice), replace them with patriots, and start gathering evidence on everything that went on up to this point. I'm sure we also want to get in there and remove all the bad stuff the DS put in the biolabs - if any are still left standing.
Imagine how much stuff is hidden in our embassy or in Z's office that shows how the DS took over that country and used it as their bank, lab, and way-station for smuggling, organ trade, and child abuse.
Putin knows what went on in Ukraine and wanted to stop the same stuff - and the NAZIs as well. It's possible the new aid is to get Ukraine's military back to their home area, quit fighting, and allow teams to go in and ensure stuff that was put there is removed and not sold to terrorists or arms dealers.
That's an interesting perspective. The fact that General Flynn posted on x about the child trafficking, drug trafficking, etc. in Ukraine, and Tulsi talked about the bioweapon factories there, is enough to tell me that Trump has to know what a corrupt place it is and how it's been used for the elite to carry out their dirty deeds. I think that's one reason this irked me so much--that and the fact that handing those assholes more money grates beyond belief.
If he actually uses this to take little Z down, and dismantle NATO, I'm all for it. I'm just not real hopeful that's the case after the way Rubio phrased the part about using this to show who the bad guy is if Russia refuses to accept the stick after giving the midget tyrant a huge bowl of carrots.
I feel like we are completely on the same page, but we are just not connecting at all on how we are explaining our view to each other.
In my personal opinion only, I believe we are watching a major Trump negotiation taking place before our eyes.
As you so masterfully described the little cokehead dictator, he is the punk ass bitch that needs to be dealt with first. He supposedly agreed to the "mineral deal" 4 times and kept reneging (at the behest of NATO/UK/France, IMO). The little shit literally flew across the Atlantic and bear hugged Kier Starmer the same day he got his ass whooped in the Whitehouse. Coincidently, Starmer was in the White House the day before, and Macron was in the White House 3 days before. They are all working and colluding together to get the US into the war by making the US Guarantee Security of Ukraine. This means boots on the ground and way more money, blood, and treasure than we have already wasted.
The current status TODAY, as it relates to military equipment and money, is no different than 1 week ago.
What happened in the last week?
Trump shut off all the money, equipment, satellites, and intelligence sharing. The little cokehead and NATO/UK/France realized they were 100% fooked, and so the cokehead finally agreed to a ceasefire.
The reason POTUS turned it all back on to how it was 1 week ago, is so that he can negotiate the other half of the ceasefire with Putin. To negotiate with Putin, he has to make Ukraine strong, and he has done so by turning the support back on.
If it leads to an actual ceasefire, which leads to the end of the war, everyone involved wins, including US taxpayers who have been ripped off for years over this worldwide clusterfuck of a money laundering operation that has only enriched the global cabal we are fighting against.
Ukraine does a last-minute drone strike and then agrees to a 30-day ceasefire. Russ is going to say, 'Hold on, I'll retaliate to it,' then say, 'Okay, I’ll agree.' Then Lil Z is going to say, 'No, I’ve lost all my cards, and now I don’t agree to the ceasefire.'
Come on pooty
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Oh, crap 💩 sandwich!
If russia agrees, will Ukraine hold an election?
Hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. We need to keep praying. May be our most important job right now.
So if you go back and look at the videos of trumps policy platform during the campaign he spoke about the American Academy. It will be the equivalent of a 4yr bachelors and he would make employers accept it as the equivalent. He said it would be free, and funded by EUROPE for the Ukraine fiasco.
I can't find the video on his campaign site, but if you google American Academy it speaks to funding from existing universities, not Ukraine.
Do we know if that video is recent?
You have a point, it might be old footage.
I've removed my comment because the video looks as if it's an old one.
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