Same. I traveled all summer long and there was nothing but Trump flags, stickers on vehicles (and flags on vehicles lol), the hats the signs....CA was very visibly red and you still see lots of Trump won signs etc in Cali even now.
Totally red. I'm here in CA - massive Trump rallies in even Beverly Hills? All Democrats elected going back decades are suspect. Look at Feinstein and Newsom - people hate both of them yet they keep getting re-elected? FRAUD.
Yeah, I remember that... Didn't the people vote in favor on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage but their state Supreme Court declared the constitutional amendment unconstitutional?
'bout some wacky bullshit they made up to get their way AGAINST the will of the people!
Because it would have violated 1A and 4A. What consenting adults do exclusively with consenting adults in the privacy of home is no business of the Federal government's. If they can criminalize gay marriage, the precedent is set that they could also criminalize heterosexual marriage.
We are not a Democracy, we are a Republic, and thank god for that, or 13% of the nation's land mass would be solely responsible for governing 100% of American citizens. The Supreme Court exists not only to recognize and uphold the constitution, but also to recognize that mob rule is fucking stupid and that people can be manipulated into giving up essential freedoms for the 'good of society' which will then come back to bite all of us in the ass later.
Or have you forgotten about all this mask and vaccine bullshit so soon already?
your reasoning just legalized pedophilia and bank robbery.
If a government cannot make laws regarding behaviors, there can be no law.
Beyond that, the Court didn't criminalize or decriminalize anything. Homosexual "marriage" did not exist. It had never existed here or in any country from the beginning of time to the present. It created law and precedent that had never been accepted by any culture at any time for any reason. And as noted by Justice Scalia, did so not out of thin air, but out of total vacuum of any historical, legal, or rational basis of support.
You clearly didn't read what I posted very well. Consenting adults, exclusively with consenting adults. Minors are obviously not included. Pedophilia is absolutely still a crime as it should be.
The government cannot make laws regarding behaviors on the basis of religious dogma, because to do so would be to institutionalize that religion above all others. They can obviously still arrest people in their homes that are committing criminal acts so long as due process regarding that is followed.
The Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas that criminal punishment against sodomites is unconstitutional. In Obergefell v. Hodges, the case you are quoting Scalia's dissenting opinion from, they formally guaranteed same-sex couples the right to marry, specifying that the State must perform and recognize them - This formalizes the concept of same-sex marriage in law, as being equal to heterosexual marriage in law and would not in plain language apply to religious ceremony.
This means that same-sex couples are guaranteed the right to marriage in a civil (secular) ceremony, if not a religious one.
As for your claim that same sex marriages were not acceptable in any culture for any reason, pre-Islamic Egyptians and Canaanites both allowed such in the 3rd century. The outright forbiddance of same-sex relationships is virtually unique to Abrahamic religions and the governments that institutionalized them, as the pre-Christian societal expectation was for procreation. Pagans, for instance, penalized those who would not take wives because of sexuality, but they did not forbid homosexual acts.
In short, homosexuality has actually been acceptable in nearly all cultures prior to the advent of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), occasionally with the condition that one is not exclusively homosexual to the point of avoiding heterosexual conduct altogether.
You: "You clearly didn't read what I posted very well. Consenting adults, exclusively with consenting adults. Minors are obviously not included. Pedophilia is absolutely still a crime as it should be."
Oh I read exactly what you posted. The problem is that it is irrational drivel that goes out in all directions and adds up to nothing.
1."consenting adults." Define that. It is as low as 12 in some European countries, and amounts to nothing more than a cultural value. You propose that it is immutable? NAMBLA and other organizations you appear to promote propose that it be reduced to infancy. Crazy? Couldn't happen? Those exact words were universally normal about homosexual marriage until very recently.
You: "The government cannot make laws regarding behaviors on the basis of religious dogma"
EIGHTH COMMANDMENT: "thou shalt not steal." There you go trying to legalize Bank robbery again.
You: "This means that same-sex couples are guaranteed the right to marriage in a civil (secular) ceremony, if not a religious one."
Everyone knows, including the Justices that voted in favor of that, that if anyone at the Constitutional Convention had stated that the Constitution they adopted guaranteed the right to homosexual marriage, that man would not have lived to make it to the insane asylum. He would have been lynched on the spot as a mortal danger to the Republic.
You: "In short, homosexuality has actually been acceptable in nearly all cultures prior to the advent of Abrahamic religions"
Droolingly uninformed statement. Cultures have from the beginning of time acknowledged the obvious - homosexuality is certain extinction for any culture that promotes it. At least for those that survived long enough to leave historical information. The practice is expressly condemned in the Egyptian Book of The Dead. That's about as far back as written assessments on the topic go.
There is one glaring exception within the Pagan system. Some men from elite families did participate in Satanic sex magic cults which included homosexual rituals. But that is the only known exception that is noted. And even in that atmosphere heterosexual relations were exclusively approved for the production of offspring.
Someone at or above the nationally recognized age of majority in the United States (18 years), which should be painfully obvious given that this conversation is more or less specifically about law in the United States.
The concept of owning property and defending that property from theft, damage, and/or destruction is not solely a religious concept. Forbidding gay marriage because it says in the bible that marriage must be between one man and one woman is. This is such an obvious misrepresentation of my argument that it appears to be mere trolling and almost bears ignoring altogether, but I nevertheless find myself compelled to address your strawman.
Society changes over time. Need you be reminded that some of the first European settlers to land in the New England region were the Puritans? This being the religion largely responsible for the Salem witch trials. Puritan is, in the modern age, used derisively to refer to moral authoritarians.
No historically proven cultures explicitly promoted exclusive homosexuality to my knowledge, but many pre-Christian cultures did allow homosexual activity, provided those who took part in it also took wifes and procreated. Others chose not to explicitly disallow it.
It is my turn to call you droolingly uninformed. Paganism is not an Abrahamic religion, and did not have 'Satanic' rituals because they had no name for Satan. Norse culture, for instance, derided men who would 'flee women's genitals' or would assume a submissive role in same-sex conduct. It did not forbid such conduct, however.
The name Satan is derived from Ha-Satan ('the Accuser'), which was the title of Samael, an angel of Jewish lore who was supposedly the "Left Hand of God." Congratulations, today you have learned something new about the religion that you clearly only see fit to quote when it suits the argument you are making.
Same here.... we’re planning our exit strategy in the next two months if Trump doesn’t come back by then. I’ve held out this long but it’s getting tiresome
I think they want us to leave California. They're alreadt actively enticing people to AZ, FL and TX. There we will be easier to round up and manage when they get to us later. They're gonna let the "blue" states burn. Look what they just did in Oakland in further defuning the police. Urban America, with just a little incentive, will gladly cooperate with their depopulation agenda by taking each other out and saving them the trouble. It will be a different strategy to drastically reduce our numbers. I am sorry to say it but my prediction is that these "conservative" states will not be so conservative when we get to that phase of their 2030 implementation plan. I hope people stop migrating and start fighting for their home states. I don't want to do anything that would make their plan any easier for them to implement.
Most people saw examples of CA fighting back - we have the recall (which the fraudulently-elected Democrats are trying to make impossible), you saw last 4th of July what happened here after Newsom banned fireworks and 4th celebrations?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDo5TfAakc
Massive rallies, some of which were designed to block Antifa/BLM. CA stood up to them while other cities fell.
Even that bastion of the most foul liberals in the world, Beverly Hills, was overrun by huge Trump rallies every single weekend for MONTHS.
Where "academic funds" = taxpayer funds, this is both unconstitutional and laughably, absurdly insane. I hereby ban the libtards from EVERYTHING and ECERYWHERE. DEAL with it, dumbshits!
It has been coming-up increasingly over past few weeks, YES. Just look at Ohio Rally? Wow in our face. The Plan is REAL. Flynn said next few weeks would be “shocking”. ?
Make no mistake: We are in the midst of an unprecedented wave of bigotry and discrimination at the hands of elected officials and bureaucrats attempting to force virulent anti-white propaganda, Critical Racist Theory, down the throats of normal, law-abiding Americans. This flagrant racism and disregard for our Constitutionally protected liberties and Civil Rights must be eradicated everywhere it rears its ugly head. Starting with the People's Democratic Republic of California.
Meanwhile, individual Americans harbor no bigotry, racism, or discrimination in our hearts toward our fellow countrymen. Among conservatives and libertarians, NOBODY THE FUCK CARES WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, WE CARE WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT KIND OF HUMAN BEING YOU ARE. Content of character over color of skin. Sorry if that's hard for you racists to swallow, but you'll have to choke on it.
It's all good in the hood. Nobody cares about black, white, brown, it's all leftist propaganda. NOBODY CARES.
I saw a news promo an hour ago where Obama was saying that he thinks his administration was responsible for...(now don't go thinking this man was about to take responsibility for a MFing thing) for exposing the underbelly of racism in this country. We ARE in the midst of an unprecedented wave of bigotry/racism in this country and it's CREATED intentionally and propped up constantly by the enemy media. Ask any random person walking down the street who's not being brainwashed by the MSM (and that number is growing exponentially as we become the media now) and they'll tell you they don't give two shits about the color of someone's skin or who they do in their bedroom. Just get your fist and your flag out of my face and let me live.
It could also be a cleverly disguised way for California governor to say to their govt employees (civilians), we spent all the tax payer money and can't pay for your work flights to other states.
The ban is only on state funding for flights to those 16 states... Govt employees can still fly there but on their own dime.
I'm sure the people in the banned states are ecstatic. A family member currently resides in South Dakota and he loves it just the way it is: Pro-American, Christian and hard-working.
Ooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense. I was like "California is trying to keep its citizens from leaving the state? That's batshit insane"
Still stupid what they're doing but makes more sense
Oh go ahead, California, just build that wall around your state. We'll never miss you.
Right the people of CA are based enough, it's their phony Marxist government that needs to go
It's been said, I think even prophecied, that CA is red/will be red. Probably was red.
same here. Trump flags everywhere central valley modesto area.
Same. I traveled all summer long and there was nothing but Trump flags, stickers on vehicles (and flags on vehicles lol), the hats the signs....CA was very visibly red and you still see lots of Trump won signs etc in Cali even now.
Totally red. I'm here in CA - massive Trump rallies in even Beverly Hills? All Democrats elected going back decades are suspect. Look at Feinstein and Newsom - people hate both of them yet they keep getting re-elected? FRAUD.
Yeah, I remember that... Didn't the people vote in favor on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage but their state Supreme Court declared the constitutional amendment unconstitutional? 'bout some wacky bullshit they made up to get their way AGAINST the will of the people!
Because it would have violated 1A and 4A. What consenting adults do exclusively with consenting adults in the privacy of home is no business of the Federal government's. If they can criminalize gay marriage, the precedent is set that they could also criminalize heterosexual marriage.
We are not a Democracy, we are a Republic, and thank god for that, or 13% of the nation's land mass would be solely responsible for governing 100% of American citizens. The Supreme Court exists not only to recognize and uphold the constitution, but also to recognize that mob rule is fucking stupid and that people can be manipulated into giving up essential freedoms for the 'good of society' which will then come back to bite all of us in the ass later.
Or have you forgotten about all this mask and vaccine bullshit so soon already?
your reasoning just legalized pedophilia and bank robbery.
If a government cannot make laws regarding behaviors, there can be no law.
Beyond that, the Court didn't criminalize or decriminalize anything. Homosexual "marriage" did not exist. It had never existed here or in any country from the beginning of time to the present. It created law and precedent that had never been accepted by any culture at any time for any reason. And as noted by Justice Scalia, did so not out of thin air, but out of total vacuum of any historical, legal, or rational basis of support.
You clearly didn't read what I posted very well. Consenting adults, exclusively with consenting adults. Minors are obviously not included. Pedophilia is absolutely still a crime as it should be.
The government cannot make laws regarding behaviors on the basis of religious dogma, because to do so would be to institutionalize that religion above all others. They can obviously still arrest people in their homes that are committing criminal acts so long as due process regarding that is followed.
The Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas that criminal punishment against sodomites is unconstitutional. In Obergefell v. Hodges, the case you are quoting Scalia's dissenting opinion from, they formally guaranteed same-sex couples the right to marry, specifying that the State must perform and recognize them - This formalizes the concept of same-sex marriage in law, as being equal to heterosexual marriage in law and would not in plain language apply to religious ceremony.
This means that same-sex couples are guaranteed the right to marriage in a civil (secular) ceremony, if not a religious one.
As for your claim that same sex marriages were not acceptable in any culture for any reason, pre-Islamic Egyptians and Canaanites both allowed such in the 3rd century. The outright forbiddance of same-sex relationships is virtually unique to Abrahamic religions and the governments that institutionalized them, as the pre-Christian societal expectation was for procreation. Pagans, for instance, penalized those who would not take wives because of sexuality, but they did not forbid homosexual acts.
In short, homosexuality has actually been acceptable in nearly all cultures prior to the advent of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), occasionally with the condition that one is not exclusively homosexual to the point of avoiding heterosexual conduct altogether.
You: "You clearly didn't read what I posted very well. Consenting adults, exclusively with consenting adults. Minors are obviously not included. Pedophilia is absolutely still a crime as it should be."
Oh I read exactly what you posted. The problem is that it is irrational drivel that goes out in all directions and adds up to nothing.
1."consenting adults." Define that. It is as low as 12 in some European countries, and amounts to nothing more than a cultural value. You propose that it is immutable? NAMBLA and other organizations you appear to promote propose that it be reduced to infancy. Crazy? Couldn't happen? Those exact words were universally normal about homosexual marriage until very recently.
You: "The government cannot make laws regarding behaviors on the basis of religious dogma"
You: "This means that same-sex couples are guaranteed the right to marriage in a civil (secular) ceremony, if not a religious one."
You: "In short, homosexuality has actually been acceptable in nearly all cultures prior to the advent of Abrahamic religions"
There is one glaring exception within the Pagan system. Some men from elite families did participate in Satanic sex magic cults which included homosexual rituals. But that is the only known exception that is noted. And even in that atmosphere heterosexual relations were exclusively approved for the production of offspring.
Someone at or above the nationally recognized age of majority in the United States (18 years), which should be painfully obvious given that this conversation is more or less specifically about law in the United States.
The concept of owning property and defending that property from theft, damage, and/or destruction is not solely a religious concept. Forbidding gay marriage because it says in the bible that marriage must be between one man and one woman is. This is such an obvious misrepresentation of my argument that it appears to be mere trolling and almost bears ignoring altogether, but I nevertheless find myself compelled to address your strawman.
Society changes over time. Need you be reminded that some of the first European settlers to land in the New England region were the Puritans? This being the religion largely responsible for the Salem witch trials. Puritan is, in the modern age, used derisively to refer to moral authoritarians.
No historically proven cultures explicitly promoted exclusive homosexuality to my knowledge, but many pre-Christian cultures did allow homosexual activity, provided those who took part in it also took wifes and procreated. Others chose not to explicitly disallow it.
It is my turn to call you droolingly uninformed. Paganism is not an Abrahamic religion, and did not have 'Satanic' rituals because they had no name for Satan. Norse culture, for instance, derided men who would 'flee women's genitals' or would assume a submissive role in same-sex conduct. It did not forbid such conduct, however.
The name Satan is derived from Ha-Satan ('the Accuser'), which was the title of Samael, an angel of Jewish lore who was supposedly the "Left Hand of God." Congratulations, today you have learned something new about the religion that you clearly only see fit to quote when it suits the argument you are making.
Escape while you still can!
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/u/fucktheotherside was actually Kurt Russell
Same here.... we’re planning our exit strategy in the next two months if Trump doesn’t come back by then. I’ve held out this long but it’s getting tiresome
I think they want us to leave California. They're alreadt actively enticing people to AZ, FL and TX. There we will be easier to round up and manage when they get to us later. They're gonna let the "blue" states burn. Look what they just did in Oakland in further defuning the police. Urban America, with just a little incentive, will gladly cooperate with their depopulation agenda by taking each other out and saving them the trouble. It will be a different strategy to drastically reduce our numbers. I am sorry to say it but my prediction is that these "conservative" states will not be so conservative when we get to that phase of their 2030 implementation plan. I hope people stop migrating and start fighting for their home states. I don't want to do anything that would make their plan any easier for them to implement.
Dear California:
Thanks for the handy list of all the best states to travel to/live in!
Sincerely,
Everyone
People in California certainly did not vote for this. Dominion did.
Idk how this is so lost on so many people on this site. Its fuckin idiotic.
Old habits die hard. After witnessing this election, it's very hard to claim at this point that any blue state residents vote for any of this.
Most people saw examples of CA fighting back - we have the recall (which the fraudulently-elected Democrats are trying to make impossible), you saw last 4th of July what happened here after Newsom banned fireworks and 4th celebrations? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDo5TfAakc
Massive rallies, some of which were designed to block Antifa/BLM. CA stood up to them while other cities fell.
Even that bastion of the most foul liberals in the world, Beverly Hills, was overrun by huge Trump rallies every single weekend for MONTHS.
Cool... illegal on every level.
It's only state-funded travel. OP wrote a misleading headline.
Given how Marxist California’s government is, I’m sure all travel is considered “state-funded.”
"State employee travel"
It's as if nobody checks the source and just reads the (incorrect) headline. This is just as bad as CNN.
Funny though, it’s 17 states and not 16
Where "academic funds" = taxpayer funds, this is both unconstitutional and laughably, absurdly insane. I hereby ban the libtards from EVERYTHING and ECERYWHERE. DEAL with it, dumbshits!
"discriminate"
The hubris and arrogance is stunning.
F-king California. Can't even run their own affairs, and now want to tell other states what to do.
Not sure this is even legal....
17 states...
Is it just me, or has that number been "how many" of something terrible that has happened a ton over the past few days?
Flood time?
It has been coming-up increasingly over past few weeks, YES. Just look at Ohio Rally? Wow in our face. The Plan is REAL. Flynn said next few weeks would be “shocking”. ?
“Let me be clear” and “make no mistake” must be the top two things liars say before they lie.
The lack of self awareness these subhuman filth show is incredible. Almost impressive.
California politicians like kicking themselves in their own asses.
The cheating's so rampant in California that they can kick themselves in the asses all day if they want. Their failures never ended in consequence.
Make no mistake: We are in the midst of an unprecedented wave of bigotry and discrimination at the hands of elected officials and bureaucrats attempting to force virulent anti-white propaganda, Critical Racist Theory, down the throats of normal, law-abiding Americans. This flagrant racism and disregard for our Constitutionally protected liberties and Civil Rights must be eradicated everywhere it rears its ugly head. Starting with the People's Democratic Republic of California.
Meanwhile, individual Americans harbor no bigotry, racism, or discrimination in our hearts toward our fellow countrymen. Among conservatives and libertarians, NOBODY THE FUCK CARES WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, WE CARE WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT KIND OF HUMAN BEING YOU ARE. Content of character over color of skin. Sorry if that's hard for you racists to swallow, but you'll have to choke on it.
It's all good in the hood. Nobody cares about black, white, brown, it's all leftist propaganda. NOBODY CARES.
THIS
I saw a news promo an hour ago where Obama was saying that he thinks his administration was responsible for...(now don't go thinking this man was about to take responsibility for a MFing thing) for exposing the underbelly of racism in this country. We ARE in the midst of an unprecedented wave of bigotry/racism in this country and it's CREATED intentionally and propped up constantly by the enemy media. Ask any random person walking down the street who's not being brainwashed by the MSM (and that number is growing exponentially as we become the media now) and they'll tell you they don't give two shits about the color of someone's skin or who they do in their bedroom. Just get your fist and your flag out of my face and let me live.
Hillary wrote her dissertation on Saul Alinsky, which was locked up when Bill was president.
Obama taught classes in a college about Saul Alinsky.
Alinsky said when he goes to Hell, he'll organize that too.
16 states were added with 1 other state. So you are correct.
Can we also enforce that people from California can't move to those states and keep their voting practices?
Could they also prohibit people from moving out of CA? Asking for Texas...
Apparently the Gender Tsar hasn't been to Louisville. It's beyond twilight zone levels of hyper lefties they love. Both publicly and in city govt.
Oh well, glad they banned KY. Perhaps it will demoralize those hipster faggots in the blue cities here.
It could also be a cleverly disguised way for California governor to say to their govt employees (civilians), we spent all the tax payer money and can't pay for your work flights to other states.
The ban is only on state funding for flights to those 16 states... Govt employees can still fly there but on their own dime.
Good there’s zero need for another state government officials or workers to be in another state. Don’t want you and wont miss you
State funded travel.
I'm sure the people in the banned states are ecstatic. A family member currently resides in South Dakota and he loves it just the way it is: Pro-American, Christian and hard-working.
Yep, they can stay the F out of Florida.
It is part of the great awakening. Keep tightening the screws until everyone is awake.
We are near the climax now if they are putting this level of crazy out.
I agree.
I banned travel to California in 2014. Turnabout is fair play.
You say this like it's a problem.
unconstitutional
Yes! Montana is on the list.
17 States
Exactly. No coincidences.
You have me laughing :) The number 17 actually does occur naturally in the wild. Hysterical
I’m sad my state didn’t make the list. :(
I bet those "limited circumstances" is for NCAA Athletic events. There's no way Cali state universities forego that money.
How can they ban you from travelling away from the state? Isn't that unlawful detainment or something?
Ooooooohhhhhh, that makes more sense. I was like "California is trying to keep its citizens from leaving the state? That's batshit insane" Still stupid what they're doing but makes more sense
He spelled fascism wrong
Why would anybody want to live in a state that bars you from 16 states? Especially corporations. Their economy is boned
What is this discrimination they speak of, pray tell? Or are they just saying buzzwords?