Always knew this. I'd watch the period posting of a flood of 'flat earth' videos and articles only to see them die out for a while. Then after a time period of not seeing them posted, all of a sudden they were back again. This time with new videos. My question was -- Who was funding these elaborate flat earth videos? Let the CIA director from 1981 to 1987 answer this question:
“We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.” -- William Colby CIA Director 1981-1987
EDIT: Think I misunderstood your comment, but will leave my original, believe we're on the same "team" on this one.
No he didn't say this by accident, but it's not quite like you think. The CIA thru NASA has told you that you live on a globe in a vast universe that is ever expanding, that's what they want for your truth. Flat earth isn't new at all, it is the basis of every ancient belief on Earth. I'm old enough to remember that you could search "flat earth" on ewetoob and get actual information, now you search and it hides all actual information and instead gives you hundreds of videos simply calling flat earthers crazy for not believing the science, showing experiments that mean nothing, and claiming flat earth beliefs that aren't even close to true. This problem, just as in all of our problems can be discerned very easily. One side says believe the science or you are a denier, anti science, and of course some kind of bigot. The other side says here's the evidence, dig deeper and learn for yourself because you've been lied to. Not very hard for me to figure out which rabbit hole needs to be looked into.
Ummm, I'm Flat curious and have put in some hours to the theory, Cabal involvement is pretty much center stage. If you or anyone disagrees, you haven't scratched the surface.
you're right man... all the people in BIG GLOBE and BIG MAP/ATLAS have been raking in the cash from you midway rubes who believe in silly things like gravity and space.
Everyone knows that the flight from the southern tip of africa to the southern tip of south america takes a week with multiple mid-air refueling
Nothing scarier than knowing you live on the very stationary Earth that God created for mankind, knowing that He is watching, and that some day you will be accountable for your decisions. That all goes away when you are indoctrinated to believe that this whole creation was happenstance, coming from a big bang, you were once primordial goo, and now you are speeding through an ever expanding cosmos whilst traveling around the sun at a very fitting 66,600 MPH at a 66.6 degree angle. The truth is out there.
This is clearly projection (not a bad thing). You believe a flat earth would vindicate the existence of god, as if people who didnt want to believe wouldn't find another way to rationalize it. God created the earth like all heavenly bodies as a globe, even given all the power and corruption of the cabal covering up a flat earth would be both pointless and logistically impossible. They cant even stop people from talking about it online and making youtube videos about it and shit, how would the stop pilots sailors military and mathematicians from figuring out the lie? The reason this shit is so fringe while being so easily accessible is because its also easily proven false
Or maybe the MSM/cabal push Round Earth because they like to take God out of it and they want us to fall for "Flat-Earth-Only is Right and Holy" because they want God-believers to look dumb and backwards, causing newcomers to reject Him? Actually, God exists irregardless 😎, and I believe the Earth is perceived as a 3-dimensional object by us 3-dimensional creatures...YET, from a 4-dimensional creature's point of view, the Earth can be seen as truly flat/2-dimensional (where all of its interiors are exposed, too). Of course, as well, the Earth can appear 2-dimensional to us 3-dimensionals if our observation point is on or near enough to its surface, or if we are in space looking at a full Earth phase. Moreover, I view it as charmingly quaint and/or poetic when I read descriptions or see maps of a flat Earth in ancient works.
who's more scared here... the guy making basic observations of the world around him... or the cultist who buys all the bullshit in a 2000 yr old book written to control idiots so they didn't kill each other or fuck each others wives (so they didn't kill each other).
fields don't plow themselves, it's in societies best interest to keep everyone contained and controlled and not killing each other... religion is essentially a primitive method of control and you're indoctrinated with it.
you've devoted all this time and energy into a fucking fairytale and look how angry and belligerent you're getting about it.
you'll never admit it's a joke because that makes you one, so you lash out and act like a fucking dick to people who don't read the same book as you.
you're like one of those stupid 80's housewives hooked on soap operas who think those people are real and exist and are their friends they need to care about.
look... you've been spamming the living fuck out of this thread in a very short period of time...
you're either a shill here to poison the well, or a you are just a dick who gets angry when people tell you santa isn't real.
What part of "everything is a lie" is so hard to comprehend? WHY would they tell us the truth about such an important part of our existence? Anyone who does a dive into the research, and has an open mind will see the truth, its mind boggling how this one lie is so easily accepted, when there is so much evidence to the contrary, but thats fine the TRUTH will come out soon enough
Thank you, im mostly a lurker here but i do like the community, i just cant believe people who are all in on Q which has no "proof" so to speak, can just dismiss the flat earth model
Explain mercury's retrograde motion, or any planetary retrograde motion. Something you can see, predict, and plot with a heliocentric ball, but not FET. No one in FET has given me a good explanation of this, and hundreds of astronomers /astrologers pre copernicus and gallieo tried to without success.
Discernment would be recognizing that not every single thing the cabal says or pushes is false and being able to tell what's an actual bullshit conspiracy theory (Read: Flat Earth) vs a theory that has some substance behind it (Read: Not Flat Earth).
So.... not everything the cabal tells us is false, who do you think THEY are? So THEY just happen to tell us the truth on one of the most propagated ideas ever, OK now i believe them HAHA
interesting read. Idk, I'll never know for sure. My knowledge of physics,geography and astology will never be sufficient to ever be able to discern what is and isn't true. But fun to think about no less.
What part about disinformation is necessary do you not understand tho. There are a million reasons why Q didn’t even want to GO THERE yet if the earth IS flat. It can’t be that big of a deal that some folks believe.
What do flat earthers have to say about people who's jobs rely on the Earth being an ellipsoid/geoid? Are we part of the con?
I mean I get it, for 99.999999% of what humans do on Earth, the flat Earth assumption is more than adequate, so I can understand the lack of exposure. But physics becomes a lot more fun when you start working with rotating reference frames and celestial bodies.
if were on a giant ball whizzing through space at billions of miles an hour circling the sun (according to nasa), then why does the north star stay stationary and the stars ALWAYS go clockwise? the clock was built on this concept.
why when looking at clouds in front of the sun do sun rays go 80 degrees out? when the sun is bagillions of miles away? thats not possible. it would have to be directly behind the clouds. thats just basic phyics.
im not a flat earther per say, but there are some interesting unanswerable questions that flat earthers have. just saying.
also, all the stuff youve been saying can be done on a flat earth as well. also, just saying.
These are papers written under the premise of a flat earth; that does not mean that they are considering the earth flat, it just means that for the purpose of the work within the paper, they are. For applications where fine precision or low scale engineering is necessary, the inclusion of the more complex factors of a rotating round earth are not necessary, and make the problem more complex. What these papers appear to talk about are phenomenon that are small enough scale that they can be calculated with decent accuracy in a more controlled (flat and non moving earth) environment.
They most certainly leave out n-body calculations in these papers as well (the effects of other planets/moons on the aircraft/etc. in question), does that mean the moon doesn't exist or those effects don't exist? No! It just means that the effects are so marginally small in this application that they can be ignored.
Further articles described here include the effects of air resistance on unguided missiles at extreme altitude (NOT the effects of a round earth), programs to fine tune fly-by-wire adjustments in aircraft (again, earth's roundness is irrelevant), landing in changing wind conditions, and helicopter rotor characteristics.
All simulation relies on simplification. These papers are attempting to derive complex factors into a simplified set of equations and data that could, if need be, be injected into a more complicated system. This cannot be done without isolating those factors as much as possible; in other words, following one of the most fundamental principles of science [keep experiments, etc. to only one variable if you are seeking to determine value for that variable].
Let me ask you a question. If you wanted to figure out how your best friend would react to you buying a new truck of a certain kind, would you take into account what your mother would think in your best friend's reaction? (assuming they're not the same person). No, because the impact of what your mother thinks on what your best friend would think would be minimal. That's what is going on here, as well.
Source 2:
Context: If this video upload date is accurate to the interview date, Buzz Aldrin would have been 88 years old; you can see that age in how he responds pretty clearly; as with most senior folk, it has reduced the clarity of his speech to some degree. Anyway, here is my interpretation of what is being said here:
The girl: "Why has nobody been to the moon in such a long time?"
Aldrin: "hah! That's not an 8-year-old's question. That's my question [why haven't we gone back to the moon yet]. I wanna know. But I think I know. Because we didn't go there [in a long time]... and that's the way it happened... and if it didn't happen [us going back to the moon], it's nice to know why it didn't happen, so in the future, if we want to keep doing something [going to the moon], we need to know why... something stopped - in the past, we wanted to keep going."
Regardless of your interpretation, it's clear he is struggling to be clear in his response. But it seems pretty clear to me he is reiterating the same question she asked and explaining its importance, likely because he doesn't have an answer for himself. He is saying, "You're right, why didn't we go back to the moon? I think I know, but either way, it's a good question to ask, because, like it or not, we haven't gone back in a long time, and we should look at why if we want to go back again."
Keep in mind this is the same man that, within the past ten years, punched someone for saying he didn't go to the moon. (crappily edited video, but it's the only one I could quickly find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKVdVqFZv0)
Is that the way that most DS actors respond when their lies are threatened? Not that I've ever seen, usually they either run, double down, both, or go to the media to slam the guy. They never have the balls to open one on one combat.
Source 3:
He's exactly damn right, we didn't even have the tech to put ourselves in space without Russian help until very recently.
Why?
1.) All machines degrade over time. There was no way or reason to preserve a moon rocket all this time; anything from that time would have immensely degraded.
2.) The technology from that time was extremely dangerous and unreliable; there's absolutely no way the risk would be considered acceptable today, given the rate of failure and the level of risk involved for those early rockets. The computer in one is less powerful than the one in a tiny little phone, for God's sake.
3.) The moon landing rockets were also incredibly inefficient; they relied on complex and usually hand calculated math to almost blindly fire someone into the right orbital path to reach the moon. Because of the probability of failure, this meant huge margins were included, either out of error, redundancy, or lack of more efficient calculations (that may have been vastly more complex).
4.) It was really damn expensive, and going to the moon outside of beating the Soviets in what was effectively an engineering race had little to no real purpose, as it isn't exactly hospitable for human beings.
Do we still have the blueprints? Sure. Do we have production lines for the materials and components? No. Do we have any reason to utilize the old rocket versus developing a new one? Definitely not. Why not make a new one, then, you ask?
Funding. Private corporations are working on it, but they're more preoccupied with "cheap" ways of reaching orbit (reusable rockets), and rightfully so. To do anything meaningful on the moon would mean shit loads of stuff sent there, so shitloads of rockets. Without an easy way to orbit, that would be more expensive than anyone is willing to put money into.
There are other teams and plans working on the moon-specific tech, though. They're effectively starting from scratch, because technology available to us is so dramatically different that trying to develop a modern moon rocket from the old would be akin to developing the next generation of fighter jet off of da Vinci's flying machine.
I've watched and listened to hours and hours of flat earth bullshit. The whole time it's constantly partial truths (or flat out lies) that I am pulling out, and it's like pulling nails. Inaccuracy passed off as accuracy with a massive dose of spin/propaganda put on top: "this is the truth, here's how, but this is also the truth, we're not going to present it objectively".
I've argued this shit with people on here countless times. I can give people experiments and math that are as simple as grabbing a friend, taking a short bike ride away, and both of you measuring shadows at the same time. Then you do math and find the earth is round based on how the shadows are cast. If you're really willing to try it, you can ask me for the details, but as it stands I've put an exuberant amount of time into this post already and it will likely go mostly ignored.
I can give people real world applications of round-earth physics that they can relatively easily go verify, such as the calculations for long-range artillery (or naval) gunnery, or aircraft navigational patterns and systems, or large bridge design, or weather pattern analysis, or mapping methodology and projections.
Almost every time, without fail, flat earthers plug their ears and pretend it doesn't exist, returning to argue for it again and again with illogical arguments that are readily debunked as disingenuous and fallacious. Yet so many are willing to accuse us of being NPC's.
Has Trump said the earth is flat? Q specifically said the earth is not flat. Why the fuck bring this nonsense here, when it is so absurdly counter to all of the people and principles and even context or relevance of the movement?
They sailed. On calm seas you can see ships and landmass disappear over the horizon, and they began to wonder why. Soon, using some of the same basic calculations we use today to navigate they were even able to get a rough estimate of the size of the earth by measuring the distance it takes for something to disappear
thats not true, why do you think telescopes were invented? because they could see further when the ships "went over the horizon" in reality they used them to see ships that the naked eye could not. there are tons of videos proving this, just have to look.
To be able to zoom on on distant objects. Why do ships have masts for a the spotter to sit on if theres no curvature and elevation is irrelevant? How come with a powerful enough telescope i cant see austin from the oklahoma devon tower? And iv yet to see someone zoom in on the horizon only for a ship to magically appear from nowhere, only bring into focus whats already there. Its pretty easy to test this at any sufficiently large body of water
well because obv the higher you are the further you can see and there are plenty of vids of people not being able to see a ship with naked eye but can with a camera zoom or telescope. what your seeing with your eyes is a limited amount. think pixels on a tv, for example a tv that is 1080p compared to one that is 4k is a huge difference, its the same with our eyes, after a certain distance we cant see because of that, fog, waves etc etc but with a telescope that is enhanced and zoomable.
It's done intentionally to create the narrative that anyone who questions the official narrative must also subscribe to the insane ridiculous dogshit that they spam the forums with.
Anywhere you go that questions official narratives gets flooded with "flat earth" dogshit and other similar blatantly stupid theories... all so these assholes trying to fuck the world can convince people to distrust information you see on sites that question them.
Q has a ton of proof... so no it can't be said about Q
The reason FE'ers are here, the reason there are so many paytriots making up all their own theories and trying to control the narrative here... is because Q is real.
Every single time mockingbird media comes here to slander the Q movement... they only ever talk about the FE, the crazy theories people made up about Q (nothing Q ever said), and the anti-jew or violence.
Look at the people making those kinds of posts... almost always handshakes.
flat earth, hollow earth, geo centric solar systems, etc...
these are all things we thought were true before we figured out the reality of the situation.
once we figured out how to do real world tests and proofs and invented ways to measure the world around us... only then did we figure out that the earth was indeed ball shaped and then everything started to make sense.
all the puzzle pieces fit once you develop an understanding of gravity and planetary mechanics.
this FE shit is backwards as fuck, it's like if doctors suddenly started setting up bleeding chairs again to relieve the body of "humors"
we figured this shit out thousands of years ago, now we're going back because a bunch of savages in the rap community who think "dey wuz kangz" think the earth is flat?
thats 24andme level retarded.
there's nothing about the current understanding of the globe or gravity that "doesn't add up".
MSM tells me the election was perfect, the vax's are harmless, QAnon is white supremacist terrorism and flat earth is nonsense.
Which is the ONLY reason I keep an open mind about FE.
It seems crazy to me, but so does a cabal of satanic psycho pedos controlling the world but that is now becoming quite clear, so keeping FE in the same vein as QAnon makes me high suspicious and interested in the topic.
Well said, at the very least it makes humanity question "Is there a God" and they might come to the realization that we are not just some ameba, but are made by a Higher power
Career in Aerospace here...I’m always amazed at how effin STUPID FE’s are. I’ve not only flown around the world a few times, I sailed it once. I refuse to even sink to their idiotic levels.
The heading for Buenaventura from Auckland still is different on a globe to that on a flat earth. Fortunately, for hundreds of years already, we know how to do that.
I used to teach Navigation to AWACS aircraft student Navigators. Doing it for myself on a small yacht surrounded by endless ocean would shake-up Chuck Norris.
Yeah...an amazing person f’real. I don’t know if I’d try it these days with all the political turmoil. Also I’m a lot weaker post-cancer. I still have that adventurous spirit tho...I’d maybe go with a small crew if I did it again.
I had an Endeavor37 Type-A but was 41’ at bowsprit. At 6’3” I could stand up in the cabin. Thick hull too. Had to sell her when I got cancer; absolutely broke my heart. I was just looking at Island Packets when this Thread popped-up...synchronicity. I like the lines of yours too but it takes more than guts with a 25’ to sail that far...just my thoughts?
I'm down with the sailing around the world thing, thats a cool way to get out and explore... beats the hell out of watching youtube in your skivvies.
That said... fuck every part of being on a sailboat in the middle of the ocean in a huge storm and knowing if you flip... you're dead... they are never going to find you.
Hat tip to you there bud... no way i'd have the balls to put myself in that level of risk. i have a hard enough time finding shore on lake erie when we are walleye fishing.
Gotta rely on navigational training. I use a sextant as backup. Luckily I avoided any major storms but timing was key. One of the things I learned was NOAA reports are half-assed at best. It was exhausting but saw parts of the world I never thought I would, ever. My faith was built strong on that adventure.
If fire is so HOT then why do people, when they handle a pan that's been in fire, cover their hands with an oven mitt like they do when it's COLD ?????
If the Pope farts, how come I HAVE NEVER HEARD HIM DO SO???
Did you know that bacteria, pathogens and viruses don't exist? You did? Well guess what else doesn't exist? SEEDS. Yep. Plants produce many berries, growths, pods, etc... but it is actually Remsfrats Dust from the body of the plant that grows another plant. Remsfrats Dust sometimes brushes onto a seed and grows through the seed so it looks like a seed is growing, but usually the plant just grows from the Dust particles (invisible) which fall to the ground.
Lots of food for thought today. No need to stop with a flat earth.
I'm afraid that it's a private theory of mine based on several minutes of imaginary research in my own mind. I'm hoping it goes viral and, like flat-earth cosmology, gains enough adherents that I can make a living of it by charging a few gullible consumers for books and conferences.
The irony is that the article linked doesn't even dispute round earth, it's just calculations for a circumstance where round earth is not relevant, so inclusion of calculations OF round earth would be a retarded waste of time (damaged aircraft flight behavior, etc.).
As usual, such conversations quickly devolve to a war between the vast majority of humans at GAW who feel that flat-earth anons are used to embarrass us in the popular imagination and the flat-earthers who derive tremendous self- satisfaction from the feeling that they make normies of the awakened by being more-awakened-than-thou in their (loudly) professed Know-Nothingism which denies the existence of relics of science and common sense such as pathogens, gravity and the globe.
Lol the anger toward flat earthers is the most absurd. It does no harm to anyone but your own ego. And I don’t even believe in FE! Y’all are ridiculous 😂😂😂😂
As it should be. The great motivator is morale. Communism and empty rhetoric spew zero morale. Humans are innately driven to create and succeed. Listening to dumb low-intellect marxist public school cretins gets me fired up. No apologies EVER.
They dont like science. I dont get how they get around the fact that proving the earth is flat would in fact be science if it was true, but whatever. Apparently having corrupt academic institutions = all logic bad only dumb shit good.
Id never considered it, but im starting to believe flat earth is some sort of psyop to distract people and make us look stupid. Psyop or not its embarrassing that this shit has spread so much given how many pilots and military we have in this community
Ive debated fet people on the maths, none can make a coherent argument. They claim density differences are key without realising that only works with gravity in play. They are the epitome of a shill / delusional moron. Q answer this question with no ambiguity.
How about you check out " 16 emergency landings" and then talk about "flying around the world" haha, airlines would not waste fuel like that, the flightpaths only make sense on a flat earth
This is what you do:
Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
If your answer is "no" then you can say "I only know what i have been told about it, i have not seen it myself, so i can't really say for certian, but if i were to go by <flat earther> it would be flat, and if i go by <globe earther> it would be a globe. I will reserve my decision until i can see it for myself, but i know what both sides say"
If you answer "yes" then you know how it is, and if anyone gives you grief just throw your hands up and say "well, it looks like you'll have to just see it for yourself with your own two eyes then"
There are a few things that you can observe that indicate a globe:
Time of the day is the same for everyone in your longitude
The peak angle of the sun is the same for everyone in your latitude
You can see all of the stars at night from the equator, but as you move toward the poles the amount of stars that you can see diminishes gradually to 50% visible at the poles.
When a ship departs the harbor, the lower section appears to drop beneath the horizon before the upper section
Solar eclipses are only visible in certain areas, but lunar eclipses are visible across the entire night side of the Earth
I'm on the fence. But I'll bite since no one tried.
Unsure. But a common flat earth model is built of a hyperboloid torus field that radiates following longitude
Latitude is just the same distance from the center of the north pole. Like a circle drawn with a compass. It makes sense the sun would have the same peak angle?
I'm not sure to be honest. But the equator is a location centered between north pole and south outskirts as stars rotate overhead. There's simply too much atmosphere for us to see across the plane (from the south to the north). Farthest things also disappear into the horizon
"Ships disappear from the bottom". This is an element of perspective. All things disappear towards the horizon / vanishing point. We can see the top of a ship because of the angle. There are TONS of clips where a powerful telescope can bring that ship into view.
Haven't looked into it sorry. My counter question would be A) How do Selenelion Eclipses work (just refraction?)? The sun and the moon can be seen in the sky, and there's some where the shadow emerges from the TOP of the moon (should be the bottom)? Also what about all the amateur astronomers who have reported seeing stars THROUGH the moon (plasma?)?
My questions for the globe model to explain.
Where is the curvature of the earth, measured over water (land has varying elevations, water finds its level)?
We should have 8 inches of curvature over a mile squared. Yet we don't see that drop. Telescopes bring ships miles away back into view when they should be "over the horizon". Suez canal is 200 miles long and is built without accommodation of a curve
The sun, why can we see divergent rays? Flat earthers argue this points to a local sun. Globe earth model is the sun is 93 million miles away, so we get parallel rays. Some would say "refraction" for the divergent rays, but then why don't we see crossing rays? Parallel rays should hit earth at every inch of earth
How haven't the constellations changed in thousands of years? Pyramids of Giza are lined up with Orions belt. The Georgia Guidestones perfectly show the north star. Spinning earth, around sun, as solar system moves through milky way, as milky way moves through the universe, with stars of varying distances away. And why don't the stars move through the sky in a random, winding path?
How do you have a vacuum next to atmosphere? Physics tells us pressure should equalize. If this "container" or van allen belt is that strong it can contain atmosphere, how did we pass through it?
Please spend one hour and watch this short documentary, then come back and debunk flat earth. Your arguments aren't very good arguments and I'd hate for you to look like a fool. If you really want to engage people it's very important to understand what they believe and why. It will be well worth your time and you might formulate some better arguments. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
I know the truth...you know what you have been taught to believe..if you don't care enough to formulate a decent argument, then that's on you my friend. I have no problem shaking the sand off my sandals and moving on. Have a wonderful day!
That's true, but it's not relevant as to why time is the same for everyone at your longitude.
The sun rises in the East, peaks at approximately noon, and sets in the West. Every point directly North or South of you experiences the sun peaking at the same moment in time. This also means that everyone in longitudes further East or further West of you experiences it at a different time, and people halfway around the world from you experience it 12-hours offset from when you do.
This is easily explained with a globe. But not so with a flat Earth.
Every one of these kindergarten level happenings have been proven to work only on a flat earth. But you retarded numpties will never put the research in to learn. Your indoctrination is compete. You are a tool.
I'm not advocating for one side or the other and as I've said before, I don't really care to have a rigid belief until I do more research (so I just lean towards globe for now). I just don't really know that belief for or against a particular model has any bearing on my life at this point.
In saying that, can't you appreciate that it doesn't help when you come right out with insults and ad-hominem? I just don't see the value in it and in fact there are some pretty obvious downsides to acting so hostile.
Polaris happens to be located at a point that aligns with the North pole if the North pole were to be extended many light-years from the surface of the Earth.
There are stars in nearly all directions. Is it so hard to believe that one would align with the axis of the earth?
Btw, Sigma Octantis is the star aligned with the South pole.
Polaris just happens to be the star in that spot now, and it's not exactly perfect, it does move a very slight amount. You're right that the Earth's axis wobbles. 5000 years ago Thuban was the North Star.
The wobble in the Earth's axis exists, but it is very slow.
Ah, I had thought you were talking about the precession.
Yeah, the earth is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. That's why summer in the Northern hemisphere is winter I'm the Southern hemisphere, and vice versa.
Regarding Polaris appearing in the same location, the average distance between the Earth and the Sun is 94 Million miles. So the diameter of the Earth's orbit is 2x that, so on average 188 Million miles. The distance to Polaris is 434 light-years, or 2.551x10^15 miles. So you create an isosceles triangle with the base being the diameter of the Earth's orbit and the height being the distance to Polaris and calculate the angles of the corners of the triangle. tan^-1 (2.551x10^15 miles / 94,000,000 miles) = 89.999997889 degrees.
You end up with a triangle that has 2 corners (at either side of Earth's orbit) that are 89.999997889 degrees and one corner (at Polaris) that's 0.000004223 degrees. Since the angles at each end of Earth's orbit are nearly 90 degrees, Polaris appears to not move in the sky, although it does a very small amount that's almost imperceptible.
Since Polaris is so very much farther away from Earth than the Sun, the angle Polaris makes with one end of Earth's orbital path to the opposite end of said path is nearly 0°, hence it doesn't appear to move. This is what I understand from Beerman's math.
He couldn't break the math, probably said something really stupid and inflammatory, that was the straw that broke the mod's back, and he now has been banned. Thank you, mod! 👍
This is what you do: Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
My big problem with flat earth people is they all say ice wall this and Antarctica that..... but they haven't seen any of that either. It literally breaks their own logic that they preach so loudly about seeing stuff for yourself.
Frankly, I want to see some actual commercial space travel just to end this BS once and for all.
Personally it doesn't matter to me. I've almost always been a fence rider on the weird things, saves you from committing until you have the full picture.
That's because fuel is a conspiracy theory. Anything with a fuel gauge is in on it. If it moves to empty, it shuts down the engines and you don't move until you pay for more fuel.
The planes that fly from south America to south Africa get an exemption from this, plus are allowed to fly faster to keep the illusion of a round planet going.
Does that seem like a good way to explain it, or do I need more training :-)?
(I don't believe a word I wrote of course ... Just to be clear)
you people get so hung up on that. You should try harder to understand the english language and the scientific one.
Theory just means the working concept that is accepted by people who apply it to science. As soon as something comes along that contradicts that working theory, the theory changes. This means you can and often do have the 100% correct answer and still refer to it as a "theory" because science is about questioning everything and using accepted science to test other theories. when things don't work, you go back and figure out why.
what you call "the theory of gravity" is the only thing that explains gravity.
the only other possible explanation for your weak lame bullshit is if this magical flying pizza of yours was moving at a constant 1G acceleration...
to put that in perspective, in less than 1 year of constant 1G acceleration you'll have traveled half a light year. it's a pretty easy to figure out curve of speed over time.
Which means by now, just in your lifetime, this plate full of people you claim we all live on is traveling at millions of lightyears per second.
I am no flat earther, but there sir you are 100% correct,
It always bugged me that noone bothers to put a camera in space and take a literal photograph of the earth.
Its always Composites for some reason..
Do you realize how big the planet is with respect to any spacecraft up there and how far away you'd have to be to get a picture that wouldn't require stitching of multiple pictures together?
No, I know we have sent many cameras and satellites up into space and out of the solar system. It'd be a total waste of equipment to have a single camera present on that spacecraft to take a picture of earth from a distance or to perform any course corrections just to snap a pic that wouldnt require mosaicing.
There are a lot of photos of earth taken from the moon, but those are typically worthless to the braindead since they've convinced themselves that we haven't been there.
True, but there's a lot of reports of children being raped, and probably a good chance a doctor or peace officer can still take samples to prove it. As for people in space, it's a very very small # of people: ~500? of 7 billion.
no worries anon, i know what you're going through. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm right on the middle line with this issue and staying there until i can get past low earth orbit and see it for myself, or, until moon flights become a regular thing, and lots of people start going up there, taking pictures about 50-100km away to get a good single shot of it all. The problem now is that those 500 or so people aren't regulars.. and have an authority ruling over them, which is not much different from the people a few months ago saying "We have audited it and there was no fraud in the 2020 election".
Not a single argument debunking flat earth. I want them to convince me its a globe but no one ever tries, if the compass always points north, the center on a flat earth, a compass would still work the same on a flat earth
Flat earth I think was specifically designed to hide a different conspiracy - I dont know what that is, but I just know its in Antarctica. The fact that no one is allowed go beyond the 70 degrees south is very telling. For those who ask why, just fill them up with flat earth nonsense and they will do the damage to themselves on their own.
This is very similar to the "There is no Covid" hoax.
Well the ball whorshipp is full of flaws wich I have yet to find clear answers.
Let's dispose of Newton first and point out the obvious flaws in mass attracting mass causing random orbital acceleration.
You see the problem right off the bat. This is a FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS VIOLATION and a violation of Newton's OWN first law of motion. Where did the initial energy come from to cause acceleration? If these objects are at rest, what caused them to move? There has to be something and it MUST be an OUTSIDE form of energy applied that was not innate to the objects.
Newton's gravity is INSTANT. This means that it exceeds the speed of light. This would conflict with Einstein's General Relativity and Einstein's weak equivalence principle since Einstein claims nothing could travel in excess of the speed of light in a vacuum. One MUST be wrong or is it that they are BOTH wrong? Just a note. Einstein's weak equivalence principle claims everything is in free fall. How can things be falling freely and bending spacetime at the same time? Is "spacetime" also in freefall? The reason this is in conflict with Newton is that very assertion. If mass attracts mass, how can anything be falling freely and not following the trajectory of the mass and independent of them? Complete conflict in Newton's and Einstein's version of "gravity." Never mind that spacetime is a cartoon concept reified with mathematics.
Newton's gravity does not comply nor is consistent with quantum mechanical laws. Quantum mechanical laws remain in compliance with ALL NATURAL LAW.
Also proven incorrect with the double slit experiment showing superposition of states. Is light a particle? A wave? How would gravity act on this is it has no mass?
Einstein's general relativity theory was never validated. It superseded Newtonian gravity although Newtonian gravity is still used by academia as a conjured and pretend "proof" of the cartoon ball earth. Einstein's mechanics for gravity assume the bending of two conceptual mediums causing the uneven distribution of mass the leads to the emergent force of "gravity." Conceptual mediums are not science. A 4D Riemannian Manifold is an idea and it does NOT reify some mythical force into reality through a colloquial theory that has not been validated by the scientific method. Einstein's GR and SR are an absolute mess of error and begging the question fallacies.
Einstein was done with quantum entanglement. All 1875 instances of this "spooky action at a distance" blowing up his assertion that nothing can exceed the speed of light.
Proven incorrect by the observations of Sagnac and his interferometer, Michelson and Airy's null. These observations also showed the earth to be motionless.
The equations used to in relation to relativity (field equations and tensor calculus) require specific points in this "spacetime" or 4 dimensional Riemannian Manifold. This is a CONCEPT, not a naturally observed phenomenon as physics requires nor can be this conceptual medium be assumed or applied in the scientific method.
Never mind the fact that these "field equations" can only be applied to one mass at a time AND these "specific points" cannot be obtained since there is no defined point of origin in their mythical "universe" (a clear violation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) that they can not quantify and assumes this space to be ever expanding into ...space
All of this from their presupposed "big bang" than can be debunked by simply applying the laws of the conservation of angular and linear momentum.
Newton and Einstein had completely different explanations of gravity. Newton had believed that there was a fundamental cosmic attraction between masses. Einstein explained it via a warpage of spacetime caused by mass.
Neither of those men claimed they knew what gravity was exactly. They only offered an explanation as to how it works. Newton's explanations work great here on Earth. Einsteins work great on the universal scale.
I'm sure we are a long ways away from understanding what it is exactly too ... And any good scientist would tell you that.
This is why I hate arguing on these threads :-) ... I seem to be a prick to everyone since my initial reaction is that everyone is against me. I'm the exact opposite in real life for some reason ... I usually sit and wait for all of the bullshit to be spewed and already know who agrees/disagrees. I have the toughest time doing the same on the internet. Strange.
Man this topic really seems to trigger people lol. I thought a forum for discussing crazy "QAnon" conspiracy theories would be able to handle FE enquiries a lot more clmly...
Isnt the point of Q for us to do our own reserach and do things for ourselves thus not following the tune of various pied pipers. Q and trump included if u ask me.
Yes, that's what most everyone does. Q and Trump agreeing is just the cherry on top.
The Globe Earth fad is a "conspiracy theory" designed to
distract, divide and discredit those who understand
modern society has been enslaved by the Judeo Masonic (Satanic) conspiracy. It creates cognitive dissonance, and make us question all our assumptions, especially those which are True.
FTFY
If you spent any amount of time looking at the truth, Flat Earth is undeniable. This is old news folks!
Let's take a deep think on this. What's more likely? Round earth or flat earth? I hate to tell you this but the fact that we're purposely being led down both paths tells me it's the old play both sides deal coming down again.
It's much more likely that both ideologies are wrong which should scare the fuck out of everyone.
Thank you, I've been saying that myself. Not believing in the moon landing is one thing but going overboard with space is fake and earth is flat is what they want us to say like lizard man politicians and drinking children's blood. Often times those are gaslighting. They don't drink their blood they inject it with a drug cocktail that includes adrenaline and performance enhancers.
Hate to break it to you, but this is not the way. If you handle these folks like this how are you going to handle the NPC's that bought into the covid nonsense and all of the other deceptions? People are stupid, they might not realize it, but telling them they are stupid sure doesn't help the case. The ultimate goal is to get people to research on their own and come to the truth. We should all know by now that truth is never told and always learned.
Google flat earth
Google smooth earth
google a thesaurus
What are flat and smooth?
Science is now suggesting that the Earth is in the middle of everything more than anything else is, thus making it the center or making it revolve closest to the center (i think they call it the galactic center).
If flat is smooth and smooth is flat all I want to know is HOW THE FUCK DID THEY?!
My current belief: The Earth is a point. The Earth is a line. The Earth is a circle ("flat"). The Earth is a spheroid ("round"). The Earth is a tessa-spheroid. The Earth is a penta-spheroid. The Earth is a hexa-spheroid. The Earth is a nth-spheroid. All of these are at the same time, true. It just a matter of perception and perspective.
To be fair, it might be the other way round. I'm a 'glober' lol, and I would be seriously seriously disappointed if there was no space, but I was forced to rethink things a few nights ago, when I watched this documentary - and I'm still struggling with it. The buildings were the most intriguing to me, but if as the narrator contends, there was a great reset around the 19th century and our whole history was rewritten, then the heliocentric model could very well be the fake.
There are too many anomalies in this arena. You probably don't have 5hrs to spare watching this, which is a shame, it's well worth watching for the hydro electrics powering whole countries. If he is right, there was previously a Great Reset and they are gearing up to do it again.
Then there is that weird clips of astronauts discussing new technologies which will eventually lead us to the moon, mars and other planets (the moon?)
Always knew this. I'd watch the period posting of a flood of 'flat earth' videos and articles only to see them die out for a while. Then after a time period of not seeing them posted, all of a sudden they were back again. This time with new videos. My question was -- Who was funding these elaborate flat earth videos? Let the CIA director from 1981 to 1987 answer this question:
Do you think Colby said this by accident?
EDIT: Think I misunderstood your comment, but will leave my original, believe we're on the same "team" on this one. No he didn't say this by accident, but it's not quite like you think. The CIA thru NASA has told you that you live on a globe in a vast universe that is ever expanding, that's what they want for your truth. Flat earth isn't new at all, it is the basis of every ancient belief on Earth. I'm old enough to remember that you could search "flat earth" on ewetoob and get actual information, now you search and it hides all actual information and instead gives you hundreds of videos simply calling flat earthers crazy for not believing the science, showing experiments that mean nothing, and claiming flat earth beliefs that aren't even close to true. This problem, just as in all of our problems can be discerned very easily. One side says believe the science or you are a denier, anti science, and of course some kind of bigot. The other side says here's the evidence, dig deeper and learn for yourself because you've been lied to. Not very hard for me to figure out which rabbit hole needs to be looked into.
So is animal sacrifice. Should we bring that back too?
You must raise corn..but that straw man doesn't keep the crows away does it?
Ummm, I'm Flat curious and have put in some hours to the theory, Cabal involvement is pretty much center stage. If you or anyone disagrees, you haven't scratched the surface.
you're right man... all the people in BIG GLOBE and BIG MAP/ATLAS have been raking in the cash from you midway rubes who believe in silly things like gravity and space.
Everyone knows that the flight from the southern tip of africa to the southern tip of south america takes a week with multiple mid-air refueling
duh.
Nothing scarier than knowing you live on the very stationary Earth that God created for mankind, knowing that He is watching, and that some day you will be accountable for your decisions. That all goes away when you are indoctrinated to believe that this whole creation was happenstance, coming from a big bang, you were once primordial goo, and now you are speeding through an ever expanding cosmos whilst traveling around the sun at a very fitting 66,600 MPH at a 66.6 degree angle. The truth is out there.
This is clearly projection (not a bad thing). You believe a flat earth would vindicate the existence of god, as if people who didnt want to believe wouldn't find another way to rationalize it. God created the earth like all heavenly bodies as a globe, even given all the power and corruption of the cabal covering up a flat earth would be both pointless and logistically impossible. They cant even stop people from talking about it online and making youtube videos about it and shit, how would the stop pilots sailors military and mathematicians from figuring out the lie? The reason this shit is so fringe while being so easily accessible is because its also easily proven false
Or maybe the MSM/cabal push Round Earth because they like to take God out of it and they want us to fall for "Flat-Earth-Only is Right and Holy" because they want God-believers to look dumb and backwards, causing newcomers to reject Him? Actually, God exists irregardless 😎, and I believe the Earth is perceived as a 3-dimensional object by us 3-dimensional creatures...YET, from a 4-dimensional creature's point of view, the Earth can be seen as truly flat/2-dimensional (where all of its interiors are exposed, too). Of course, as well, the Earth can appear 2-dimensional to us 3-dimensionals if our observation point is on or near enough to its surface, or if we are in space looking at a full Earth phase. Moreover, I view it as charmingly quaint and/or poetic when I read descriptions or see maps of a flat Earth in ancient works.
since you went there...
who's more scared here... the guy making basic observations of the world around him... or the cultist who buys all the bullshit in a 2000 yr old book written to control idiots so they didn't kill each other or fuck each others wives (so they didn't kill each other).
fields don't plow themselves, it's in societies best interest to keep everyone contained and controlled and not killing each other... religion is essentially a primitive method of control and you're indoctrinated with it.
you've devoted all this time and energy into a fucking fairytale and look how angry and belligerent you're getting about it.
you'll never admit it's a joke because that makes you one, so you lash out and act like a fucking dick to people who don't read the same book as you.
you're like one of those stupid 80's housewives hooked on soap operas who think those people are real and exist and are their friends they need to care about.
look... you've been spamming the living fuck out of this thread in a very short period of time...
you're either a shill here to poison the well, or a you are just a dick who gets angry when people tell you santa isn't real.
you're a mess either way so go fuck yourself.
What part of "everything is a lie" is so hard to comprehend? WHY would they tell us the truth about such an important part of our existence? Anyone who does a dive into the research, and has an open mind will see the truth, its mind boggling how this one lie is so easily accepted, when there is so much evidence to the contrary, but thats fine the TRUTH will come out soon enough
You need to be more circumspect mate, he's a FET proponent.
Thank you, im mostly a lurker here but i do like the community, i just cant believe people who are all in on Q which has no "proof" so to speak, can just dismiss the flat earth model
https://qalerts.app/?n=2622
Also no proof? Look up the 50 qproofs.
Tell that to a normie, see what they say, wont believe you because "No proof" same with Flat Earth, although we see the proof
If normies couldnt understand qproofs, the movement wouldnt be growing globally. And yet it is. If you cant see that, you are blind.
If it was easy to see FET is true, it would be accepted. And yet it isn't.
Reconcile.
Many more people are awakening to flat earth than you think, just like the Q movement, it takes time, baby steps
Explain mercury's retrograde motion, or any planetary retrograde motion. Something you can see, predict, and plot with a heliocentric ball, but not FET. No one in FET has given me a good explanation of this, and hundreds of astronomers /astrologers pre copernicus and gallieo tried to without success.
Thanks for the down vote too it gives me a chuckle to know you got butt hurt by a comment by some anonymous idiot on the internet.
Why is that? Care to share with the class Mr. PepeSee?
Is that the same science that tells us about Covid?
No.
Q.
:-)
No, it's the other kind. The one that's a process and not a religion.
Yeah the faucster seems to be duping people with some sort science similar to that method.
What part of Q saying flat earth is false explicitly is so hard to comprehend either?
https://qalerts.app/?n=2622
What part of discernment is so hard to understand? Isnt that what Q teaches us, why haven't there been any arrests yet? Timing perhaps?
Im quite discerning. Its part of why i dont trust FET and consider it a poisoning of the well.
FET also explains how global warming calculations work. If you believe FET is true, you should believe in global warming too then.
Discernment would be recognizing that not every single thing the cabal says or pushes is false and being able to tell what's an actual bullshit conspiracy theory (Read: Flat Earth) vs a theory that has some substance behind it (Read: Not Flat Earth).
So.... not everything the cabal tells us is false, who do you think THEY are? So THEY just happen to tell us the truth on one of the most propagated ideas ever, OK now i believe them HAHA
Q also said disinfo is real and necessary...so idk
interesting read. Idk, I'll never know for sure. My knowledge of physics,geography and astology will never be sufficient to ever be able to discern what is and isn't true. But fun to think about no less.
What part about disinformation is necessary do you not understand tho. There are a million reasons why Q didn’t even want to GO THERE yet if the earth IS flat. It can’t be that big of a deal that some folks believe.
lets see... public schools = corrupt/lies corporations = corrupt/lies CIA = corrupt/lies FBI = corrupt/lies MI6 = corrupt/lies all govts = corrupt/lies vatican = corrupt/lies EVERYTHING = CORRUPT/LIES ...except NASA!!!
🙄
wakey wakey everybody
Haha, that started out on of different foot for me
This is what opened my eyes to everything is a lie. Or the truth in plan sight, just we mock it bc muh science is smarter
There's a difference between science and Science™
What do flat earthers have to say about people who's jobs rely on the Earth being an ellipsoid/geoid? Are we part of the con?
I mean I get it, for 99.999999% of what humans do on Earth, the flat Earth assumption is more than adequate, so I can understand the lack of exposure. But physics becomes a lot more fun when you start working with rotating reference frames and celestial bodies.
It also becomes a lot more accurate.
Should make people try long range artillery calculations without accounting for round earth lmao
IKR.
Even fucking artillery tables rely on round earth. It doesn't take being in NASA or some shit to know that the earth is fucking round.
look into the hundreds of pilots that have come out snd said that the earth is flat
ummm, long and lat work on a flat surface as well.
if were on a giant ball whizzing through space at billions of miles an hour circling the sun (according to nasa), then why does the north star stay stationary and the stars ALWAYS go clockwise? the clock was built on this concept.
why when looking at clouds in front of the sun do sun rays go 80 degrees out? when the sun is bagillions of miles away? thats not possible. it would have to be directly behind the clouds. thats just basic phyics.
im not a flat earther per say, but there are some interesting unanswerable questions that flat earthers have. just saying.
also, all the stuff youve been saying can be done on a flat earth as well. also, just saying.
ok bud, 👍
meh, we'll find out the truth in the next few years either way
blocked?! oh no whatever will i do?! lol jackass
I'll bite.
Source 1:
These are papers written under the premise of a flat earth; that does not mean that they are considering the earth flat, it just means that for the purpose of the work within the paper, they are. For applications where fine precision or low scale engineering is necessary, the inclusion of the more complex factors of a rotating round earth are not necessary, and make the problem more complex. What these papers appear to talk about are phenomenon that are small enough scale that they can be calculated with decent accuracy in a more controlled (flat and non moving earth) environment.
They most certainly leave out n-body calculations in these papers as well (the effects of other planets/moons on the aircraft/etc. in question), does that mean the moon doesn't exist or those effects don't exist? No! It just means that the effects are so marginally small in this application that they can be ignored.
Further articles described here include the effects of air resistance on unguided missiles at extreme altitude (NOT the effects of a round earth), programs to fine tune fly-by-wire adjustments in aircraft (again, earth's roundness is irrelevant), landing in changing wind conditions, and helicopter rotor characteristics.
All simulation relies on simplification. These papers are attempting to derive complex factors into a simplified set of equations and data that could, if need be, be injected into a more complicated system. This cannot be done without isolating those factors as much as possible; in other words, following one of the most fundamental principles of science [keep experiments, etc. to only one variable if you are seeking to determine value for that variable].
Let me ask you a question. If you wanted to figure out how your best friend would react to you buying a new truck of a certain kind, would you take into account what your mother would think in your best friend's reaction? (assuming they're not the same person). No, because the impact of what your mother thinks on what your best friend would think would be minimal. That's what is going on here, as well.
Source 2:
Context: If this video upload date is accurate to the interview date, Buzz Aldrin would have been 88 years old; you can see that age in how he responds pretty clearly; as with most senior folk, it has reduced the clarity of his speech to some degree. Anyway, here is my interpretation of what is being said here:
The girl: "Why has nobody been to the moon in such a long time?"
Aldrin: "hah! That's not an 8-year-old's question. That's my question [why haven't we gone back to the moon yet]. I wanna know. But I think I know. Because we didn't go there [in a long time]... and that's the way it happened... and if it didn't happen [us going back to the moon], it's nice to know why it didn't happen, so in the future, if we want to keep doing something [going to the moon], we need to know why... something stopped - in the past, we wanted to keep going."
Regardless of your interpretation, it's clear he is struggling to be clear in his response. But it seems pretty clear to me he is reiterating the same question she asked and explaining its importance, likely because he doesn't have an answer for himself. He is saying, "You're right, why didn't we go back to the moon? I think I know, but either way, it's a good question to ask, because, like it or not, we haven't gone back in a long time, and we should look at why if we want to go back again."
Keep in mind this is the same man that, within the past ten years, punched someone for saying he didn't go to the moon. (crappily edited video, but it's the only one I could quickly find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKVdVqFZv0)
Is that the way that most DS actors respond when their lies are threatened? Not that I've ever seen, usually they either run, double down, both, or go to the media to slam the guy. They never have the balls to open one on one combat.
Source 3: He's exactly damn right, we didn't even have the tech to put ourselves in space without Russian help until very recently.
Why? 1.) All machines degrade over time. There was no way or reason to preserve a moon rocket all this time; anything from that time would have immensely degraded. 2.) The technology from that time was extremely dangerous and unreliable; there's absolutely no way the risk would be considered acceptable today, given the rate of failure and the level of risk involved for those early rockets. The computer in one is less powerful than the one in a tiny little phone, for God's sake. 3.) The moon landing rockets were also incredibly inefficient; they relied on complex and usually hand calculated math to almost blindly fire someone into the right orbital path to reach the moon. Because of the probability of failure, this meant huge margins were included, either out of error, redundancy, or lack of more efficient calculations (that may have been vastly more complex). 4.) It was really damn expensive, and going to the moon outside of beating the Soviets in what was effectively an engineering race had little to no real purpose, as it isn't exactly hospitable for human beings.
Do we still have the blueprints? Sure. Do we have production lines for the materials and components? No. Do we have any reason to utilize the old rocket versus developing a new one? Definitely not. Why not make a new one, then, you ask?
Funding. Private corporations are working on it, but they're more preoccupied with "cheap" ways of reaching orbit (reusable rockets), and rightfully so. To do anything meaningful on the moon would mean shit loads of stuff sent there, so shitloads of rockets. Without an easy way to orbit, that would be more expensive than anyone is willing to put money into.
There are other teams and plans working on the moon-specific tech, though. They're effectively starting from scratch, because technology available to us is so dramatically different that trying to develop a modern moon rocket from the old would be akin to developing the next generation of fighter jet off of da Vinci's flying machine.
I've watched and listened to hours and hours of flat earth bullshit. The whole time it's constantly partial truths (or flat out lies) that I am pulling out, and it's like pulling nails. Inaccuracy passed off as accuracy with a massive dose of spin/propaganda put on top: "this is the truth, here's how, but this is also the truth, we're not going to present it objectively".
I've argued this shit with people on here countless times. I can give people experiments and math that are as simple as grabbing a friend, taking a short bike ride away, and both of you measuring shadows at the same time. Then you do math and find the earth is round based on how the shadows are cast. If you're really willing to try it, you can ask me for the details, but as it stands I've put an exuberant amount of time into this post already and it will likely go mostly ignored.
I can give people real world applications of round-earth physics that they can relatively easily go verify, such as the calculations for long-range artillery (or naval) gunnery, or aircraft navigational patterns and systems, or large bridge design, or weather pattern analysis, or mapping methodology and projections.
Almost every time, without fail, flat earthers plug their ears and pretend it doesn't exist, returning to argue for it again and again with illogical arguments that are readily debunked as disingenuous and fallacious. Yet so many are willing to accuse us of being NPC's.
Has Trump said the earth is flat? Q specifically said the earth is not flat. Why the fuck bring this nonsense here, when it is so absurdly counter to all of the people and principles and even context or relevance of the movement?
Lol to say everything can be described thru our senses is fucking retarded
How did the ancients who 'discovered' that the earth was a globe do it?
They sailed. On calm seas you can see ships and landmass disappear over the horizon, and they began to wonder why. Soon, using some of the same basic calculations we use today to navigate they were even able to get a rough estimate of the size of the earth by measuring the distance it takes for something to disappear
thats not true, why do you think telescopes were invented? because they could see further when the ships "went over the horizon" in reality they used them to see ships that the naked eye could not. there are tons of videos proving this, just have to look.
To be able to zoom on on distant objects. Why do ships have masts for a the spotter to sit on if theres no curvature and elevation is irrelevant? How come with a powerful enough telescope i cant see austin from the oklahoma devon tower? And iv yet to see someone zoom in on the horizon only for a ship to magically appear from nowhere, only bring into focus whats already there. Its pretty easy to test this at any sufficiently large body of water
well because obv the higher you are the further you can see and there are plenty of vids of people not being able to see a ship with naked eye but can with a camera zoom or telescope. what your seeing with your eyes is a limited amount. think pixels on a tv, for example a tv that is 1080p compared to one that is 4k is a huge difference, its the same with our eyes, after a certain distance we cant see because of that, fog, waves etc etc but with a telescope that is enhanced and zoomable.
Apparently this is what they say...
It's called well poisoning.
It's done intentionally to create the narrative that anyone who questions the official narrative must also subscribe to the insane ridiculous dogshit that they spam the forums with.
Anywhere you go that questions official narratives gets flooded with "flat earth" dogshit and other similar blatantly stupid theories... all so these assholes trying to fuck the world can convince people to distrust information you see on sites that question them.
Don't fall for it, keep focused on real shit.
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
EXACTLY
The mods here and the users both seem to have a pretty good handle on it though,
Thats what you could have said about Q too
Q has a ton of proof... so no it can't be said about Q
The reason FE'ers are here, the reason there are so many paytriots making up all their own theories and trying to control the narrative here... is because Q is real.
Every single time mockingbird media comes here to slander the Q movement... they only ever talk about the FE, the crazy theories people made up about Q (nothing Q ever said), and the anti-jew or violence.
Look at the people making those kinds of posts... almost always handshakes.
It's being done on purpose.
well the reason i got into Q is because things weren't adding up and everyone was telling me not to go near it.
Same is happening with Flat Earth theory, so I am keeping an open mind on it.
there's a huge difference...
flat earth, hollow earth, geo centric solar systems, etc...
these are all things we thought were true before we figured out the reality of the situation.
once we figured out how to do real world tests and proofs and invented ways to measure the world around us... only then did we figure out that the earth was indeed ball shaped and then everything started to make sense.
all the puzzle pieces fit once you develop an understanding of gravity and planetary mechanics.
this FE shit is backwards as fuck, it's like if doctors suddenly started setting up bleeding chairs again to relieve the body of "humors"
we figured this shit out thousands of years ago, now we're going back because a bunch of savages in the rap community who think "dey wuz kangz" think the earth is flat?
thats 24andme level retarded.
there's nothing about the current understanding of the globe or gravity that "doesn't add up".
What doesnt add up with a curved earth? Its all pretty basic shit
Planetary allignments over thousands of years primarily, but also some stuff with the moon etc. I'm keeping an open mind.
lol
I kind of disagree and here's why
Flat earth is fringe.
Ball earth is msm.
Do I believe in flat earth? Not necessarily.
Do I believe in ball earth? Not necessarily.
Do either of these things get in the way of my ultimate goals?
No.
exactly^ at this point, I'm going to keep an open mind on everything I've ever been taught.
and I have a feeling we're in for a much bigger shock than BE or FE, so need to focus on what matters.
MSM tells me the election was perfect, the vax's are harmless, QAnon is white supremacist terrorism and flat earth is nonsense.
Which is the ONLY reason I keep an open mind about FE.
It seems crazy to me, but so does a cabal of satanic psycho pedos controlling the world but that is now becoming quite clear, so keeping FE in the same vein as QAnon makes me high suspicious and interested in the topic.
Take an hour and watch this, it's very intriguing. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
Are we really so easy to manipulate that the MSM can tell the truth to get us to believe lies?
Be wary about how much you derive truth from the MSM, be it by believing their narrative blindly or by following it blindly.
Well said, at the very least it makes humanity question "Is there a God" and they might come to the realization that we are not just some ameba, but are made by a Higher power
Nope but i did do shrooms once
Sorry obviously i dont comment much, ill try to do better
I also consider it a "go play elsewhere" gauge.
Quit posting this ridiculous bullshit here.
I've flown around the world. It's a globe.
You are a weapons grade dunce to believe otherwise, or you're a shill to make people on this site look like idiots.
Career in Aerospace here...I’m always amazed at how effin STUPID FE’s are. I’ve not only flown around the world a few times, I sailed it once. I refuse to even sink to their idiotic levels.
The heading for Buenaventura from Auckland still is different on a globe to that on a flat earth. Fortunately, for hundreds of years already, we know how to do that.
The FE still have to learn navigation.
So, please, forgive their level of literacy.
I used to teach Navigation to AWACS aircraft student Navigators. Doing it for myself on a small yacht surrounded by endless ocean would shake-up Chuck Norris.
Man, to a degree I envy you! It is still on my bucket list. ... though a sailing vessel I have, a sturdy one built for that.
Laura Dekker is one of my heros!
Yeah...an amazing person f’real. I don’t know if I’d try it these days with all the political turmoil. Also I’m a lot weaker post-cancer. I still have that adventurous spirit tho...I’d maybe go with a small crew if I did it again.
What type/size vessel do you have?
A french design called Ecume de Mer. https://sailboat.guide/ecume-de-mer
Fell in love with it's lines. 45 years old, my own black pearl. ;-)
What do you sail?
I had an Endeavor37 Type-A but was 41’ at bowsprit. At 6’3” I could stand up in the cabin. Thick hull too. Had to sell her when I got cancer; absolutely broke my heart. I was just looking at Island Packets when this Thread popped-up...synchronicity. I like the lines of yours too but it takes more than guts with a 25’ to sail that far...just my thoughts?
Yeah fuck all kinds of that.
I'm down with the sailing around the world thing, thats a cool way to get out and explore... beats the hell out of watching youtube in your skivvies.
That said... fuck every part of being on a sailboat in the middle of the ocean in a huge storm and knowing if you flip... you're dead... they are never going to find you.
Hat tip to you there bud... no way i'd have the balls to put myself in that level of risk. i have a hard enough time finding shore on lake erie when we are walleye fishing.
Gotta rely on navigational training. I use a sextant as backup. Luckily I avoided any major storms but timing was key. One of the things I learned was NOAA reports are half-assed at best. It was exhausting but saw parts of the world I never thought I would, ever. My faith was built strong on that adventure.
Right on man, like i said... jealous as hell you got to do that.
Did you ever venture into pirate waters? (ARRRRRRRRRRRRR)
Off the Coast of Nicaragua & Honduras it got spicey. That’s what flare guns are for 😎👍🏽 I avoided South China Sea...a wide berth from there.
So riddle me this Aerospace man...why does NASA rely on a flat not rotating earth when designing it's aircraft? Why do pilot courses teach you to assume a flat non rotating earth? Debunk these...I'd love to learn more of your beliefs. https://unshackledminds.com/nasa-documents-conclusively-prove-of-a-flat-nonrotating-earth/
If fire is so HOT then why do people, when they handle a pan that's been in fire, cover their hands with an oven mitt like they do when it's COLD ?????
If the Pope farts, how come I HAVE NEVER HEARD HIM DO SO???
Did you know that bacteria, pathogens and viruses don't exist? You did? Well guess what else doesn't exist? SEEDS. Yep. Plants produce many berries, growths, pods, etc... but it is actually Remsfrats Dust from the body of the plant that grows another plant. Remsfrats Dust sometimes brushes onto a seed and grows through the seed so it looks like a seed is growing, but usually the plant just grows from the Dust particles (invisible) which fall to the ground.
Lots of food for thought today. No need to stop with a flat earth.
Can you expand more on Remsfeats Dust? I couldn’t find anything on point online but I’m curious.
I'm afraid that it's a private theory of mine based on several minutes of imaginary research in my own mind. I'm hoping it goes viral and, like flat-earth cosmology, gains enough adherents that I can make a living of it by charging a few gullible consumers for books and conferences.
I try to share other good sciences with flat earthers and they just get mad at me. They only like their own sciences.
shrug
The irony is that the article linked doesn't even dispute round earth, it's just calculations for a circumstance where round earth is not relevant, so inclusion of calculations OF round earth would be a retarded waste of time (damaged aircraft flight behavior, etc.).
As usual, such conversations quickly devolve to a war between the vast majority of humans at GAW who feel that flat-earth anons are used to embarrass us in the popular imagination and the flat-earthers who derive tremendous self- satisfaction from the feeling that they make normies of the awakened by being more-awakened-than-thou in their (loudly) professed Know-Nothingism which denies the existence of relics of science and common sense such as pathogens, gravity and the globe.
it's a wild wild world....a wild wild ROUND world.
“Beliefs”. First you insult me then you want to deride actual science. GFY. Really. 🖕🏼
Lol the anger toward flat earthers is the most absurd. It does no harm to anyone but your own ego. And I don’t even believe in FE! Y’all are ridiculous 😂😂😂😂
It’s personal for some of us. I spent a career based-on real science. They’re not part of The Awakening. They belong on Conspiracy’s dot win.
Ego man, just leave it at the door. None of benefit from it
As it should be. The great motivator is morale. Communism and empty rhetoric spew zero morale. Humans are innately driven to create and succeed. Listening to dumb low-intellect marxist public school cretins gets me fired up. No apologies EVER.
Thank you. Flat earthers never leave their basements.
My brain is so melted after all this shit that i thought you were serious. Thats like an actual argument id expect out of a flat earther
Just about anyone can do the experiments at home that disprove the FE theory. It's called science.
They dont like science. I dont get how they get around the fact that proving the earth is flat would in fact be science if it was true, but whatever. Apparently having corrupt academic institutions = all logic bad only dumb shit good.
Id never considered it, but im starting to believe flat earth is some sort of psyop to distract people and make us look stupid. Psyop or not its embarrassing that this shit has spread so much given how many pilots and military we have in this community
Ive debated fet people on the maths, none can make a coherent argument. They claim density differences are key without realising that only works with gravity in play. They are the epitome of a shill / delusional moron. Q answer this question with no ambiguity.
How about you check out " 16 emergency landings" and then talk about "flying around the world" haha, airlines would not waste fuel like that, the flightpaths only make sense on a flat earth
This is what you do: Ask yourself: "Have i seen the world from space with my own two eyes directly, and not eyes and not via any other means (video/pictures)?"
If your answer is "no" then you can say "I only know what i have been told about it, i have not seen it myself, so i can't really say for certian, but if i were to go by <flat earther> it would be flat, and if i go by <globe earther> it would be a globe. I will reserve my decision until i can see it for myself, but i know what both sides say"
If you answer "yes" then you know how it is, and if anyone gives you grief just throw your hands up and say "well, it looks like you'll have to just see it for yourself with your own two eyes then"
There are a few things that you can observe that indicate a globe:
I'm on the fence. But I'll bite since no one tried.
My questions for the globe model to explain.
We should have 8 inches of curvature over a mile squared. Yet we don't see that drop. Telescopes bring ships miles away back into view when they should be "over the horizon". Suez canal is 200 miles long and is built without accommodation of a curve
The sun, why can we see divergent rays? Flat earthers argue this points to a local sun. Globe earth model is the sun is 93 million miles away, so we get parallel rays. Some would say "refraction" for the divergent rays, but then why don't we see crossing rays? Parallel rays should hit earth at every inch of earth
How haven't the constellations changed in thousands of years? Pyramids of Giza are lined up with Orions belt. The Georgia Guidestones perfectly show the north star. Spinning earth, around sun, as solar system moves through milky way, as milky way moves through the universe, with stars of varying distances away. And why don't the stars move through the sky in a random, winding path?
How do you have a vacuum next to atmosphere? Physics tells us pressure should equalize. If this "container" or van allen belt is that strong it can contain atmosphere, how did we pass through it?
You've defined Latitude.
Longitude is your angular distance from an imaginary line that connects the North and South Poles through Greenwich, England.
Thank you
I'm on the fence too but number 3 makes me baffled as well
Please spend one hour and watch this short documentary, then come back and debunk flat earth. Your arguments aren't very good arguments and I'd hate for you to look like a fool. If you really want to engage people it's very important to understand what they believe and why. It will be well worth your time and you might formulate some better arguments. https://rumble.com/vi4xo3-level-2021-flat-earth-documentary-hd.html
No thanks.
I'm not going to spend an hour watching a video that you say will prove your point.
If you want to say I'm wrong, please explain how I'm wrong in the reply box.
I know the truth...you know what you have been taught to believe..if you don't care enough to formulate a decent argument, then that's on you my friend. I have no problem shaking the sand off my sandals and moving on. Have a wonderful day!
My argument is right here: https://greatawakening.win/p/12jcvW6KXs/x/c/4JBwmjsuCbC
You replied to it with an hour long video link. That's not an argument. Tell us what arguments are in the video if you can't formulate your own.
Says the guy who cant form a coherent argument himself as has to post a movie to prove his point. Alls it proves is that youre gullible
Time is a social construct. The reason it’s the same time of day for others at your longitude is because people took a flat map and drew some lines.
That's true, but it's not relevant as to why time is the same for everyone at your longitude.
The sun rises in the East, peaks at approximately noon, and sets in the West. Every point directly North or South of you experiences the sun peaking at the same moment in time. This also means that everyone in longitudes further East or further West of you experiences it at a different time, and people halfway around the world from you experience it 12-hours offset from when you do.
This is easily explained with a globe. But not so with a flat Earth.
Every one of these kindergarten level happenings have been proven to work only on a flat earth. But you retarded numpties will never put the research in to learn. Your indoctrination is compete. You are a tool.
so then refute each point without calling people "kindergarten retards"...
bet you can't...
we'll wait.
I'm not advocating for one side or the other and as I've said before, I don't really care to have a rigid belief until I do more research (so I just lean towards globe for now). I just don't really know that belief for or against a particular model has any bearing on my life at this point.
In saying that, can't you appreciate that it doesn't help when you come right out with insults and ad-hominem? I just don't see the value in it and in fact there are some pretty obvious downsides to acting so hostile.
Eh, don't give up that easily...they still have hope.
Polaris happens to be located at a point that aligns with the North pole if the North pole were to be extended many light-years from the surface of the Earth.
There are stars in nearly all directions. Is it so hard to believe that one would align with the axis of the earth?
Btw, Sigma Octantis is the star aligned with the South pole.
Polaris just happens to be the star in that spot now, and it's not exactly perfect, it does move a very slight amount. You're right that the Earth's axis wobbles. 5000 years ago Thuban was the North Star.
The wobble in the Earth's axis exists, but it is very slow.
Ah, I had thought you were talking about the precession.
Yeah, the earth is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. That's why summer in the Northern hemisphere is winter I'm the Southern hemisphere, and vice versa.
Regarding Polaris appearing in the same location, the average distance between the Earth and the Sun is 94 Million miles. So the diameter of the Earth's orbit is 2x that, so on average 188 Million miles. The distance to Polaris is 434 light-years, or 2.551x10^15 miles. So you create an isosceles triangle with the base being the diameter of the Earth's orbit and the height being the distance to Polaris and calculate the angles of the corners of the triangle. tan^-1 (2.551x10^15 miles / 94,000,000 miles) = 89.999997889 degrees.
You end up with a triangle that has 2 corners (at either side of Earth's orbit) that are 89.999997889 degrees and one corner (at Polaris) that's 0.000004223 degrees. Since the angles at each end of Earth's orbit are nearly 90 degrees, Polaris appears to not move in the sky, although it does a very small amount that's almost imperceptible.
Perhaps Polaris moves in the same line with the Earth's tilt?
Since Polaris is so very much farther away from Earth than the Sun, the angle Polaris makes with one end of Earth's orbital path to the opposite end of said path is nearly 0°, hence it doesn't appear to move. This is what I understand from Beerman's math.
He couldn't break the math, probably said something really stupid and inflammatory, that was the straw that broke the mod's back, and he now has been banned. Thank you, mod! 👍
Not true. Polaris is only one of a long line of pole stars
Dude, fucking learn about procession. We have Sumerian astronomical tablets that point to a different North star, for fuck sakes.
My big problem with flat earth people is they all say ice wall this and Antarctica that..... but they haven't seen any of that either. It literally breaks their own logic that they preach so loudly about seeing stuff for yourself.
Frankly, I want to see some actual commercial space travel just to end this BS once and for all.
Personally it doesn't matter to me. I've almost always been a fence rider on the weird things, saves you from committing until you have the full picture.
The big problem with flat earth is gravity.
in order for their retarded bullshit to be true the magical flying pizza would need constant 1G acceleration through space.
so just in your lifetime, even if it started accelerating when you were born, we'd be going millions of lightyears per second by now.
there's also that big problem of why doesn't the flight from south america to south africa take a week with multiple mid air refuelings.
That's because fuel is a conspiracy theory. Anything with a fuel gauge is in on it. If it moves to empty, it shuts down the engines and you don't move until you pay for more fuel.
The planes that fly from south America to south Africa get an exemption from this, plus are allowed to fly faster to keep the illusion of a round planet going.
Does that seem like a good way to explain it, or do I need more training :-)?
(I don't believe a word I wrote of course ... Just to be clear)
Well in most threads i would say that your sarcasm was loud and clear but in this thread it was a tad more difficult.
Gravity has never been proven. There’s a reason they call it a theory—and flat earth theory is just as strong as gravity theory.
LOL
you people get so hung up on that. You should try harder to understand the english language and the scientific one.
Theory just means the working concept that is accepted by people who apply it to science. As soon as something comes along that contradicts that working theory, the theory changes. This means you can and often do have the 100% correct answer and still refer to it as a "theory" because science is about questioning everything and using accepted science to test other theories. when things don't work, you go back and figure out why.
what you call "the theory of gravity" is the only thing that explains gravity.
the only other possible explanation for your weak lame bullshit is if this magical flying pizza of yours was moving at a constant 1G acceleration...
to put that in perspective, in less than 1 year of constant 1G acceleration you'll have traveled half a light year. it's a pretty easy to figure out curve of speed over time.
Which means by now, just in your lifetime, this plate full of people you claim we all live on is traveling at millions of lightyears per second.
thats retarded.
fucking magnets, how do they work.
I mean you are free to think that.
I just sincerely hope you focus more on other things especially when trying to wake up other people. Stuff like COVID and audits, current events, etc.
Of course i do why do u think i am here? been following Q since day 1
Probably the worst thing you could use to be honest given its a fucking meme. Stick with things that are actually relevant to Q
I am no flat earther, but there sir you are 100% correct, It always bugged me that noone bothers to put a camera in space and take a literal photograph of the earth. Its always Composites for some reason..
Do you realize how big the planet is with respect to any spacecraft up there and how far away you'd have to be to get a picture that wouldn't require stitching of multiple pictures together?
yes, obviously.
You gonna pretend we have never sent satellites/probes to the outer solar system, or to mars, or to venus now?
No, I know we have sent many cameras and satellites up into space and out of the solar system. It'd be a total waste of equipment to have a single camera present on that spacecraft to take a picture of earth from a distance or to perform any course corrections just to snap a pic that wouldnt require mosaicing.
There are a lot of photos of earth taken from the moon, but those are typically worthless to the braindead since they've convinced themselves that we haven't been there.
Wow..I see A LOT of downvotes..yet no rational arguments. How telling.
True, but there's a lot of reports of children being raped, and probably a good chance a doctor or peace officer can still take samples to prove it. As for people in space, it's a very very small # of people: ~500? of 7 billion.
no worries anon, i know what you're going through. I've been doing this for 30 years, and I'm right on the middle line with this issue and staying there until i can get past low earth orbit and see it for myself, or, until moon flights become a regular thing, and lots of people start going up there, taking pictures about 50-100km away to get a good single shot of it all. The problem now is that those 500 or so people aren't regulars.. and have an authority ruling over them, which is not much different from the people a few months ago saying "We have audited it and there was no fraud in the 2020 election".
Not a single argument debunking flat earth. I want them to convince me its a globe but no one ever tries, if the compass always points north, the center on a flat earth, a compass would still work the same on a flat earth
Flat earth I think was specifically designed to hide a different conspiracy - I dont know what that is, but I just know its in Antarctica. The fact that no one is allowed go beyond the 70 degrees south is very telling. For those who ask why, just fill them up with flat earth nonsense and they will do the damage to themselves on their own.
This is very similar to the "There is no Covid" hoax.
Well the ball whorshipp is full of flaws wich I have yet to find clear answers.
Let's dispose of Newton first and point out the obvious flaws in mass attracting mass causing random orbital acceleration.
Einstein's general relativity theory was never validated. It superseded Newtonian gravity although Newtonian gravity is still used by academia as a conjured and pretend "proof" of the cartoon ball earth. Einstein's mechanics for gravity assume the bending of two conceptual mediums causing the uneven distribution of mass the leads to the emergent force of "gravity." Conceptual mediums are not science. A 4D Riemannian Manifold is an idea and it does NOT reify some mythical force into reality through a colloquial theory that has not been validated by the scientific method. Einstein's GR and SR are an absolute mess of error and begging the question fallacies.
Just to start...
Newton and Einstein had completely different explanations of gravity. Newton had believed that there was a fundamental cosmic attraction between masses. Einstein explained it via a warpage of spacetime caused by mass.
Neither of those men claimed they knew what gravity was exactly. They only offered an explanation as to how it works. Newton's explanations work great here on Earth. Einsteins work great on the universal scale.
I'm sure we are a long ways away from understanding what it is exactly too ... And any good scientist would tell you that.
I know. I was just correcting the liberal :-)
This is why I hate arguing on these threads :-) ... I seem to be a prick to everyone since my initial reaction is that everyone is against me. I'm the exact opposite in real life for some reason ... I usually sit and wait for all of the bullshit to be spewed and already know who agrees/disagrees. I have the toughest time doing the same on the internet. Strange.
Spamming that shit everywhere rather than engaging in actual arguments just makes you look like a gullible fuck
Man this topic really seems to trigger people lol. I thought a forum for discussing crazy "QAnon" conspiracy theories would be able to handle FE enquiries a lot more clmly...
calmly*
Q already answered on this conspiracy, and stated categorically it was false btw: https://qalerts.app/?n=2622
Yes, that's what most everyone does. Q and Trump agreeing is just the cherry on top.
I've often thought flat earth was to discredit the actually pretty likely theory of hollow earth
"What, hollow earth, what are you a flat earther"
I love the hollow earth theory that actually all"planets" are flying bases
The Globe Earth fad is a "conspiracy theory" designed to distract, divide and discredit those who understand modern society has been enslaved by the Judeo Masonic (Satanic) conspiracy. It creates cognitive dissonance, and make us question all our assumptions, especially those which are True. FTFY
If you spent any amount of time looking at the truth, Flat Earth is undeniable. This is old news folks!
Can you articulate anything from the video or do you just believe whatever sounds nice without actually thinking about it?
I see what you did there...kudos.
Well, who would of thunk it? The flat earther simply made shit up to try and prove their point.
Let's take a deep think on this. What's more likely? Round earth or flat earth? I hate to tell you this but the fact that we're purposely being led down both paths tells me it's the old play both sides deal coming down again.
It's much more likely that both ideologies are wrong which should scare the fuck out of everyone.
Someone's thinking for themselves. It's a quantum universe. Shrodinger shaped i think.
Agreed. Have always thought that it was injected to discredit the entire esoteric research community.
Esoteric New Age is Globohomo. Private spirituality is based. Sorry mango.
Most everyone except the Flat Earthers know this to be true.
Thank you, I've been saying that myself. Not believing in the moon landing is one thing but going overboard with space is fake and earth is flat is what they want us to say like lizard man politicians and drinking children's blood. Often times those are gaslighting. They don't drink their blood they inject it with a drug cocktail that includes adrenaline and performance enhancers.
The most obvious evidence that it's a psyop is in the phrase itself.
It literally makes you sound like you just woke up from the year 1500.
Why attach to that phrase?
If you eat a bunch of dirt, you will discover that it tastes exactly like fried dough!!!!
This guy is done tolerating complete retardation by supposedly awake morons. Fucking get a grip globetards while you still have the chance.
Hate to break it to you, but this is not the way. If you handle these folks like this how are you going to handle the NPC's that bought into the covid nonsense and all of the other deceptions? People are stupid, they might not realize it, but telling them they are stupid sure doesn't help the case. The ultimate goal is to get people to research on their own and come to the truth. We should all know by now that truth is never told and always learned.
You get disrespectful you get disrespected. And more.
Considering it 😎
Please do, we need to end this bullshit
Ill throw $50 at the earth is flat 👍🏻 Who cares? We will know the truth soon.
Hey when my toddler will let me watch it Ill check it out fren thanks!
Guys, the earth is not flat.
It can be both and probably is, hear me out;
Google flat earth Google smooth earth google a thesaurus
What are flat and smooth?
Science is now suggesting that the Earth is in the middle of everything more than anything else is, thus making it the center or making it revolve closest to the center (i think they call it the galactic center).
If flat is smooth and smooth is flat all I want to know is HOW THE FUCK DID THEY?!
"Everything they tell us is a lie…. except for the government scientists at NASA... because Satan's distracting you."
You, OP.
Search Hibbeler Productions.
My current belief: The Earth is a point. The Earth is a line. The Earth is a circle ("flat"). The Earth is a spheroid ("round"). The Earth is a tessa-spheroid. The Earth is a penta-spheroid. The Earth is a hexa-spheroid. The Earth is a nth-spheroid. All of these are at the same time, true. It just a matter of perception and perspective.
I have zero respect for any flat earth philosophies. You have to be seriously daft to think the world is flat.
And for all the free thinkers out there- Search Hibbeler Productions
The globalists are the satanists... It's not a distraction or psyop. It's part of the awakening.
Controlled opposition is everywhere.
They sound a lot like you OP.
To be fair, it might be the other way round. I'm a 'glober' lol, and I would be seriously seriously disappointed if there was no space, but I was forced to rethink things a few nights ago, when I watched this documentary - and I'm still struggling with it. The buildings were the most intriguing to me, but if as the narrator contends, there was a great reset around the 19th century and our whole history was rewritten, then the heliocentric model could very well be the fake.
There are too many anomalies in this arena. You probably don't have 5hrs to spare watching this, which is a shame, it's well worth watching for the hydro electrics powering whole countries. If he is right, there was previously a Great Reset and they are gearing up to do it again.
Then there is that weird clips of astronauts discussing new technologies which will eventually lead us to the moon, mars and other planets (the moon?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul0e6lw130