Seriously had to defend my gripes against the jab mandate in LA against 3 libs. First things first. Im not human according to them. 2nd, my sources are invalid because its not msnbc. 3rd i deserve to die according to them (and theyre supposedly my friends). 4th im a murderer because i refuse to get this vaccine. And 5th i dont deserve freedom because i wont do what dafdy gov tells me. How the fuck do you guys defend against 3 liberals 2 yelling at you and 1 (allegedly) moderating. Fucking hell!
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I did it 1 v 7 last night at a restaurant.
First don't argue the facts they "think" are impenetrable. I listened to their thoughts and then realised how they make up their minds. Emotion, great, that I can work with. First I come out quite forceful not aggressive but upset / mad and frustrated.
I then made them aware that for the first time in in like 50 years extreme poverty has risen and risen a lot since the start of covid 125million more people are now in extreme poverty and it rising fast. About 10000 children CHILDREN are dying a day. Then I turn it on them I say a people don't give a shit because of a 0.002 chance they might die. More people by an order of magnitude great have and will die than compared to covid. If they really cared about saving lives they would take the risk and open up the world to start getting aid, food and help back to these places around the world.
There was a lot more convo but this shut down all their self righteous we are helping the world bullshit.
Wish I would have thought of this one. They did hit me with emotional shit immediately. Now I'm the devil. It's okay though. I've lost plenty of friends during my awakening. Soon I'll have nothing left. That's when I will really break. The most dangerous creation of any society is a man with nothing left to lose.
-Tyler Durden
Or something to that effect
It's "we" not you and "lost everything" not have nothing. I think
Fair enough. Cant wake up this morning. Yargh.
But but but, you know... the thing!
This is exactly why I don't engage with liberals at all, at least not on anything remotely political.
I have tried. Repeatedly. They have proven that they simply are not qualified to consume any of my time. All redpilling of liberals by me must be done as a monologue rather than a dialogue. Post a meme, and let them process it on their own time.
They are not mentally equipped to handle an actual logical, rational discussion with an intelligent person, based on factual information; they instead substitute a bunch of mindless bumper-sticker slogans and insane hysterical theatrics. You can almost feel your I.Q. dropping as they go.
It is as though the higher cognitive processing centers of their cerebral cortex are hijacked and completely overridden by the primitive, reptilian portions of the brain most closely associated with sex and fear (primarily) and other emotional processing.
The last paragraph is exactly what happens when one experiences fear or anger. It short circuits higher cortical functions.
You have us fren!
This is called a rhetorical appeal to emotion or pathos. The rhetorical triangle consists of Logos (appeal to logic), Ethos (appeal to authority / credibility), and Pathos (appeal to emotion).
Generally an appeal to emotion is considered to be the strongest type of appeal and an appeal to logic is the weakest when attempting to persuade average persons.
I personally am most persuaded by logic and least persuaded by emotion.
You should generally attempt to appeal to all three when forming arguments before a group of people with a bias towards emotional appeals.
If you find this interesting I suggest doing further reading on the topic of "rhetoric."
They must not have been "good" friends or they really thought you were all those things before and just liked hanging out with you for some reason. At least you know how they feel and can leave them behind or try to stay friends with them (which I think would be a bad thing--because of trust issues).
I rarely interact with them as it is. At this point I only interact with them when playing video games.
LOL
Liberals do not reason they emote. Their brains are definitely wired differently. And many of them ARE mentally ill, too.
That 10K children per day stat is WILD! Is that globally or US?
Global
Interesting! Where'd you see that stat?
I stuck it out in my career surrounded by people like this. Lost my career in 2015 for having the wrong thought patterns, despite being everyone's friend.
Escape, or be removed. That's the only options.
I rebuilt from scratch and have almost nothing to my name now, but have friends and family that would jump into fire to have my back. It's better.
Yeah right now I'm just trying to gray rock it to stack my green. I dont ever want to be dependent on anyone. At this point I know for a fact I'm alone in my walk of life.
You are not alone. Not even close to it.
In this state. In this city. I am. If I wasnt, Garcetti would not have been allowed to pass the mandate.
Did you not watch the audits?
Every single state is filled with massive, deeply rooted systemic voter fraud. California, Oregon, and Washington are actually red. Even "safe" states like Texas and Florida have the same fraud. Houston, Austin, Orlando, Miami, all actually red.
You're not alone. Those who stand with you are just too nice, too civil, and too busy to start a riot.
Get plugged in to some local anti tyrant meetup groups in your county. You’ll make at least a handful of quality new friends.
Yeah. I did. I was proud to see evry second of it. These guys take MSNBC as gospel.
What is your main goal?
For them to leave you alone?
For them to accept you and be kind to you?
For them to lose the argument and be humbled by losing?
For them to be persuaded?
Something else?
For them to see my perspective. But my perspective is meant to be ignored according to them. They have bent the knee to california government.
Why? How did you stop it if not for more people?
I can assure you, you are never going to be alone. I use to think the same as many here did. But if you look around. We are the majority. That is why they have to lie, cheat elections, bribe, manipulate through the Msm, and blackmail people into doing what they want. They are the very few. Very, very few.
And when ever you are dealing with liberals you have to remember tbey have been taught how to be manipulative using emotion. Expect that and after a while their behavior and illogical arguments will become routine and you will start to see just how closely they do present as an NPC.
Dude, are you aware that Grace Community Church, in friggin' non-descript asphalt wasteland unincorporated urban sprawl Sun Valley of all places, stood up and had multi-thousand mask-free church services against direct orders of the city, county and state? And they sued and won, with the backing of the congregation! Even if you're not Christian, they're in LA and have your back. You're not alone. Trump sign on the Sepulveda pass, Trump rallies in Beverly Hills, school board protests in the OC... You're not alone.
These overlords in power are entirely corrupt and don't act for the people. Yes, the libs are loud. Yes, parts are trash. But the resistance lives. Don't give up hope!
Garcetti got his win with the mandate. Now fun is off the menu. The 3 libs are %100. They don't realize once they're willing to take restaurants they'll take gas and grocery stores.
They're willing to starve me for fear.
Fear is a bitch. I'm constantly (well, not any more) amazed how many people are totally gutless cowards. Enjoy Atlanta, wherever you end up. Southern manners are something to look forward to. You'll gravitate towards the real folks and real friends. Good luck! I'll hold out and fight the good fight a bit longer, maybe we can turn it. Land of Reagan, after all.
I hope so soon. Everyone has their limits and mine are being pushed. Slowly I'm wondering what is worth fighting for in a country and world corrupted and consumed by evil. As long as the pup breathes I breathe. He goes. I go.
I was happy they won. Sadly the rest of cali lost trying to recall Nuisance. Now we're paying the price for trying fight back.
No you are not. Not by far. It only seems that way because these shitlibs are the chosen ones who are allowed to speak freely.
Looked it up. I like it!
From the ultra lib Psychology Today, no less:
Absolutely perfect method for dealing with left wingers, who are 100% narcissists and sociopaths.
It's the only way I have survived in this godless world at this point.
If you aren't trading your green for silver you are just stocking up on shitty toilet paper.
Otherwise, get the fuck outta Cali.
Working on it. Already looking into apartments where I'm moving to.
The true meaning behind "Build Back Better". It's a white hat operation.
You don't. Its like sales, you learn to spot the ones that aren't going to buy real quick and move onto the next person. The only thing that will awaken the subverted is deep emotional scarring. They were scared into it, they must be scared out of it.
I gave them all the reason why I dont and why they shouldn't trust this fucking jab. At the end I was now defending being allowed to just live my life. Apparently I dont even deserve that.
Yeah they are trained to escalate to emotional abuse as quickly as possible. Constantly on the offensive looking for a chance to bully someone. Its one of the most demoralizing things a person can experience - particularly if its from family. You are not alone mate.
Yeah it hurts. Part of me wishes that they do send a Gestapo to jab me and I die from the after effects to wake them up. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Stone 1: they will wake up to my concerns and to what I was saying. Stone 2: I no longer have to live in this heartless godless world.
I don't mind this heartless, godless world. I used to, but I don't anymore.
It's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion. It's horrible and amazing and kind of beautiful, i can't pull myself away because it's so damn fascinating. I figure it had to be this way.
"Some men cannot be reasoned with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
The world is going to burn anyway, so BE that man. Nobody can stop what is to come. Do your thing, don't let others sway you from your chosen course. And as the world burns just help where you can, and find the fascination, the ugly beauty of it's destruction where you can.
"Fire and Fury" are destructive yet beautiful things, just like hurricanes and volcanoes.
A proper blade cannot be made without fire. Heat, fold and quench. Necessary for strength.
I am John gault
This!!! We know it’s gonna happen. Just let it happen. At the end of the day, no matter how much screaming you do, you’ll never change everyone’s mind. But the more you scream, the louder it gets and the more attention it gets.
I for one, stopped giving a shit. But at the same time, I’ll tell anyone who asks, and those who don’t.
You argue with those who can't be convinced not because you think you magically will, but because whether you realize or not, 4 other people in the distance are listening in, maybe only for a bit, maybe only in passing, and the strengths of the two arguments and the validity of their approaches subconsciously imprints on them. Without being the direct target of the argument, their double think shields are down and it gets in.
Want to convince someone? Try arguing with someone else in ear shot of them.
Our Democrat Party leadership, the CDC, the MSM, Google and social media have gang raped their minds to death.
They are NPCs.
Its painfully obvious now. Even more so now that I know when shit hits the fan, they will rat me out first.
you're awake! be proud of yourself as so many are not
Do you have any genuine interaction with them? It doesn't really sound like it. It may be time to just cut them off if they're that far gone or at least try to work on them in isolation rather than a group setting.
Notice EVERY single one of them repeats the exact same thing as the MSM? Word for word most of the time. Same “stats”, same bullshit. I remember when the narrative went from “there’s no fraud” to “there’s not enough fraud to change the election” from every 69IQ dumbass I talked to about it.
Believe me they wouldn't even humor my sources because it wasnt the main stream.
LA is a dystopian nightmare. Short answer is you don't waste your time with those types of people. Try to help those that are looking for answers.
You right. Well my answer is to leave. Those who have found answers more than likely have already left. At this point I've already realized how alone I am in this state and city.
Orange County is much better than Los Angeles County. But yes Los Angeles County the last 30 years went from bad to worse.
Good news is, everything is astronomically cheaper almost anywhere else (barring similar shitholes like NYC and SF). Move to a red state as soon as you can — your wallet will thank you.
I will be soon. Got work for a company in GA. I dont want to live another year in LA
Thanks man. Being with people who dont take it from gov is definitely an outcome I look forward to. Commiefornia has been nothing but a nightmare to me.
I sadly work in ATL but I will be fighting my hardest to find living in either suburb or rural areas on the outskirts of ATL.
I live in south OC where it's pretty much all red, and basically unaffected by any of the bullshit. A lot of restaurants defied Newsom's "take-out only" mandate last year, and remained open. The police ignore Newsom's mandates. I've never liked any part of LA county, and avoid it at all costs.
LA Sheriff Alex Villanueva was on Tucker's show last night, and one of the things he casually mentioned floored me... he said that 25% of the homeless people IN THE ENTIRE NATION are in LA county. What a crown jewel of liberal ideology.
I just stay silent and wait until they tire themselves out. They’ll probably try to get you to fuck them in an hour or so, they don’t believe the words it’s all shit tests what they want to destroy is anything of integrity because they can’t comprehend it. Stand true and watch them crumble and collapse. It’s all a tantrum. Try not to laugh when they are watching it only makes it worse.
One of them relied so heavily on using emotion to argue they legitimately started crying. From there I was persona non grata.
Good. Hopefully they can open their minds, it’s always hard to see a friend cry and it’s sad it’s all come down to this but I pray for a better future for us all.
Meme them until they cry, then meme them crying.
Mockery is the way forward.
I’m still holding onto all the gloating “Biden won” dance videos for the salt harvest.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E1s-ki6Fz8E
Let's go Brandon
I had a discussion with some friends a few months ago pleading with them not to get the vaccine. I did end up shedding some tears while I said that the only reason I’m saying any of this to them is because I care about them and don’t want them to do something they will regret! The emotions did play on them pretty well because they know I was being sincere.
"How the fuck do you guys defend against 3 liberals 2 yelling at you and 1 (allegedly) moderating."
Easy. You tell them all that they are BULLIES for trying to force you to do something you don't want to do. And you don't like to be BULLIED.
Then sit back and watch them spontaneously combust into flames and self destruct....
Basically. Like holy water to a witch
That would have been nice. Getting a 3on 1 thrashing like that was one of the most bitch made bull shit I have ever had to deal with.
I like to throw the on the record depopulation agenda at them. It comes straight from the mouths of their "sources." And if they say " that's not what they mean" you can tell your "friends" that it is literally written in stone (Georgia Guide stones).
They always just call me a conspiracy theorist to avoid thinking about it. Which is frustrating but the programming runs deep. Cant expect to fix them in a 3 on 1 argument where I'm alone.
Still get called a conspiracy theorist so that they can ignore the facts. Like I said its 3 on 1. I'm alone in this fight.
Wear that with honor. Conspiracy theorist now a days = truth prophet practically.
great reply patriot
The world is mostly non-white and they hate you for it
Stop wasting your time. Stop living for them.
Simple, you dont need to defend against stupidity. Your true belief is all you need. It does not matter what others think or what they believe you deserve or do not deserve. Its as irrelevant as what a mosquito is thinking.
Fren, people like this (and believe me, I work with and am related to a lot of them) will only understand the truth once it beats them upside the head. You can argue till your blue in the face and show them every reputable article, but nothing seeps passed the years of brainwashing and peer pressure. It’s a farce, and we see it clearly. They only see what the want to see.
Sounds like you just did it! You had the libtards all flustered to where they had to resort to insults instead of actually debating on your information... congratulations!
Turn around,flip the bird and walk away with my head held high.
I've already walked away. From the friendship and connection at this point and from this state. Would rather die than have to live 1 more year in this state and city.
Same here fren. I'm getting ready to abandon ship as well. We can reclaim this state when the dust settles.
Try the midwest! The coasts are trashed
Heading to Georgia cause of a recent job I got. Sadly I'll have to live in Atlanta but it's better than LA
GA is much better than L.A., sounds as if you've already made the right decision and will soon meet like-minded southern folks. You seem smarter than the people you surrounded yourself with, do not do that in GA ;)
I dont plan to haha. I'm moving there for a reason. Finding like minded friends is one of them. It's hard to keep liberal friends when they consistently call for your death. Only reason I keep em around is because the human requirement for interaction. Otherwise I would never leave the comfort of my own home.
Go rural. It's nice out here.
Sadly my work is in ATL.
This is the way.
LA ‘pede here. I just wear infowars shirts. I literally had a guy ask me why I wasn’t wearing a mask, he looks at my shirt and said nevermind.
Love it
FELLOW UNVAXXED LA PEDE "MURDERER" HERE. Fuck those people and never comply! I made a head explode recently by saying "I'm not getting vaxxed just to spite Don Lemon"...pretty sure I saw smoke coming out of their ears.
You dont. Lol You sit back and remember... they will all be dead soon anyway... who are you trying to convert here?
May I suggest a baseball bat upside all three of their heads no that wouldn’t be right would it instead ask him if they love their country ask him if they believe in Jesus and see what happens after those two questions If you get extreme negative answers after those just walk the hell away from them
They dont. I'm public enemy number 1 at this point to them. Those were the last friends I had left.
How did you know them and what were the occasions when you hung out? They sound gay as fuck
Do you smoke weed? Are they squares?
No been straight edge my whole life and it's not changing any time soon. I knew them from college. Hard to believe I used to be one of them.
It is common knowledge that the vax does not stop you from getting or spreading corona, so the argument that it helps others is retarded. I would simply focus on that. If they concede this point all other points about mandating the vax are dead. If they don't concede the point tell them you trust science and you see no reason to debate anyone that ignores the science.
You cannot be friends with these people. I keep warning fellow pedos to cut off these relationships. If the opportunity presents itself they will destroy your life and regret nothing. Just had another fren lose their job due to this exact scenario. There are patriot frens out there, just gotta be willing to put some time in trying to find them.
Your first mistake was trying to make an intelligent argument against stupid.....
Correct
99.98% survival rate is inarguable.
They cried about .02% legit cried. Like annoying cried. Fear leads their lives.
Throw the word "Bully" around. Witness a swift turnaround.
They’re no longer your friends if they say you deserve to die.
List all the vaccination sites and be SURE you have the dates for them to get their boosters. Stress you need them first in line for each one. Then give them a good evil laugh.
Especially in these times, these are good words to live by: https://www.livetpg.com/1-minute-matters-the-parable-of-the-donkey-the-tiger/
As rooftoptendie said, tell em you dont want to be bullied by bully's. If that don't work, I guess flip the bird and walk away.
Absolutely right. They’ve told you in plain English who they are and how they feel about you. The ball is in your court now. There are millions of patriots out there who will be your new buddies
Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience.
The are brainwashed/hypnotised. Mass Formation and Mass Fealty. If the MSM and big pharma told them to quack like a duck they would do it beat the rona. Stop trying to change their minds. Live you best life and be happy. That is the sweetest revenge.
I wouldn't be caught dead next to 3 Libtards.....Problem solved!
Good point.
Don’t waste your time. You can’t reason with unreasonable people. They’re brainwashed. Find new friends. Move on and find a new life
That much is obvious now.
Personally I have been avoiding my entire friend base because I only just stopped being a liberal. They think I am lying, the words of the soyboy from last night. I won't engage face to face though. I get way too emotional and I immediately start shaking.
I’m no psychiatrist, but maybe your lack of emotional control is a byproduct of your old liberal views? Marcus Aurelius’ meditations book is a great start to stoicism. Worked wonders for me
Good point
Very likely. I was a compliant individual until last year in November when I caught covid, ever since thought of wearing a mask gives me straight anxiety knowing that it's all fake.
I think liberals are just people who want to be victims. Sometime in late 2019, after 5 and half years of a succubus soyboy, that definitely betrayed my existence by telling me he wanted to be a woman, I sort of just lost my shit in general. After that I genuinely just did not want to have to depend on anybody, including the government to the point where I would ignore my food stamps for a month and a half just to feel like I had power over my life, despite the fact that I always had to reapply because I don't have enough. But I know I don't have enough because I'm not paid enough, (no one in basic customer service is), not because I don't work. Since I've been on the other side, it's a little easier not to stoop to their level, but at this point I also just rather avoid them like I said.
Yeah no none of my points were really even listened to. Being treated as a pariah in a 3 on 1 scream fest was pretty annoying.
I understand. Don't give up. Seek to find someone else awake locally. I can only imagine the struggle you're having based off your name.
Seek God, if you're ready to. Suicide is a path to nothing, and even in death, you cannot reach God if you take your own life. Sometimes it's not about what you know, it's about being supported. I am going to pray for you, that you find companionship and support to keep going.
Call them out for being bullies. The power of the word 'bully' was highlighted here a few days ago.
Well I don't do that, for starters.
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