Klaus Grabowski was a convicted sex offender and had previously been sentenced for the sexual abuse of two girls. In 1976, he voluntarily submitted to chemical castration, though it was later revealed that he underwent hormone treatment to try to reverse the castration.
Once arrested, Grabowski stated that he did not intend to abuse Anna sexually. He said that Anna tried to seduce and extort him, and his fear of going back to prison prompted him to kill her. He said the girl had wanted to tell her mother that he had touched her inappropriately, with the aim of extorting money from him.
On 6 March 1981, the third day of the trial, Marianne Bachmeier smuggled a Beretta 70[1] into the courtroom of Lübeck District Court and shot the confessed killer of her daughter, Klaus Grabowski, in the back.[2] She aimed the gun at Grabowski's back and pulled the trigger eight times. Seven of the shots hit him, and the 35-year-old defendant was killed almost instantly.[3]
Two sides to every story... But even if you assume the dude was being honest, that is exactly the kind of situation you run so the fuck far away from that you talk to whoever is in charge of you for your prior crimes.
Like, it doesn't make an argument to say "she tried to extort me and I was scared" if you do that shit.
I get it, no one believes you after you commit those types of crimes. But you stand a better chance of telling someone about it the moment it happens than doing that shit.
But that's if you assume the dude was being honest.
A 7 year old girl, that manipulative and conniving? The only two possibilities are that the mother put her up to it, or the dude was lying and doing everything he could to escape. My opinion is the latter. She absolutely did not come up with that on her own.
On 2 November 1982, Marianne Bachmeier was initially charged in court with murder. Later the prosecution dropped the murder charge. After 28 days of negotiations, the Board agreed on the verdict. Four months after the opening of proceedings she was convicted on 2 March 1983 by the Circuit Court Chamber of the District Court Lübeck for manslaughter and sentenced for unlawful possession of a firearm to six years in prison but was later released after serving three years.
A large part of the population showed understanding for her actions. She sold her life story for about 250,000 Deutsche Mark in an exclusive to the news magazine Stern.
I had to check. I am German, I have no sense of humor. The only thing that makes me laugh is when people get hurt by their own actions in predictable ways.
Lots of Polish have switched to "sky" to avoid discrimination & persecution, especially after moving to other countries. And vice-versa, for Jews, Germans, & Russians living in Poland.
My family is Polish, and my parents told me this was very common because of WWII, Communist USSR, and further oppression by political empires (like Prussia, which partitioned Poland and absorbed it as part of its German & Austrian Empires, and the Russian Empire) going as far back as 1770s.
Yes, that poor woman's pain, my heart breaks for her, I know I would do the same, there is no reason to live after someone does that to your child, except for what she did. Too bad it wasn't a lot of shots to the gut, enough to kill him, but not so fast.
Probably satisfaction from justice. But never peace, because of what that monster did to her daughter. Just horrific. There are some criminals who cannot be rehabilitated.
No, she didn't.
If I remember correctly, she left the country after prison, went to India (?) and returned several years later.
She died of cancer at a rather young age.
It would quickly spiral out of their control if soft targets got that treatment. If it happens in a Courtroom or an office the offender is hooped, but if they show up out of the bushes as someone is leaving or returning home, or even in the middle of the night, they're probably going to get away, at least for a while. However, do not do that as it is illegal and I'm not sure God waives the "thou shall not kill" commandment in cases like that.
Not my thing, no worries. But normies suddenly waking up to the fact that their loved ones were murdered and the whole system was rigged to do it, all that knowledge crashing in at once, is going to break some people. We saw paid mobs, I feel like there will be some "honest" mobs at some point, maybe some vengeance, depends on the city and circumstances. The non-Christian folks don't have the fear of God or guidance of commandments, really. And there's a bunch of supposedly Christian folks that hold an amazing amount of hate in them.
When the state defends rapists and murderers from their victims, and from righteous vengeance by the survivors of the victims, then you can know certainly that the state is corrupt and must be torn down. A parent killing the rapist and murderer of their child is not a murder, it is justice.
Idk, I can't find any movies on her or other sources from that same trial but the video quality looks pretty spot on for the time the event took place (1981)
EDIT: I think I found the film Anna's Mutter, it is not the same I think the clip I found is actual footage.
Damn you found it hella fast lol. I guess unless there's another movie about it you must be right. But Anna's Mutter is the only one I've found so if there is another one it must be way less known and therefore I'd kinda doubt that their shooting scene would be that much better than AM's.
Needs to become the norm. And more than just for the rapist. Needs done to the forgiving, weak sentencing judges and corrupt, disgusting defense attorneys too.
"Letting the court system play out" is how we got ruled by pedos.
Pedophilia is not legal. A few powerful people got away with it- you woudn't be able to shoot them anyway.
None of you upvoting / talking like this would actually go out and do what you're espousing. I'm saying, stop exalting it before you convince a cringe fellow to. Remember the guy who shot up the pizza parlor and made us look like jackasses?
I understand the point about the court system but at the same time prudence and restraint must be practiced. What are you guys advocating, that we just go out and shoot people? You realize we'll just go to jail too, right?
This story aside, you can't just go around killing people on suspicions, is my point. These big-ten-gallon wearers with the "SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PEDOPHILE" business "ain't" right. You could end up killing someone who is innocent.
As I said in another comment, there are instances where immature teens trying to make their friends laugh will just shout "pedophile!" at passerby. When Mr.-Texas-Ten-Gallon hears that, grabs his gun and tries to be a hero before any type of trial or even further investigation takes place, he ends up killing a completely innocent person who was just minding their own business.
I don't want to fight you. Please go easy on the idioms, escalating tensions, or making cracks. We need to be united. Thank you.
Again, I am not so much commenting on this particular case rather than the fact that I don't want people to see OP's post and conjure up dreams of automatic heroism. I want to make people aware that there could be serious unintended consequences if they get all gun-ho about this.
Klaus Grabowski was a convicted sex offender and had previously been sentenced for the sexual abuse of two girls. In 1976, he voluntarily submitted to chemical castration, though it was later revealed that he underwent hormone treatment to try to reverse the castration.
Once arrested, Grabowski stated that he did not intend to abuse Anna sexually. He said that Anna tried to seduce and extort him, and his fear of going back to prison prompted him to kill her. He said the girl had wanted to tell her mother that he had touched her inappropriately, with the aim of extorting money from him.
No waiting for a West German court to give a slap on the wrist to an already twice convicted pedophile jewish defendant. Kill him and enact justice.
If you still think it was wrong killing him after seeing he already confessed to it and tried to twist himself as a victim, I sure hope people holding ideals like you are killed off in the future. We have no more need for weak willed and ignorant men that continue to allow evil.
I sure hope people holding ideals like you are killed off in the future. We have no more need for weak willed and ignorant men that continue to allow evil.
How many people have you shot and killed, exactly? LOL
I haven't killed anyone yet but everybody who has always had a first. Btw what are you doing on this forum trying to mollify others on this obviously barbaric act done by Grabowski? You're no warrior, you don't seek actual justice. You sound like a piece of shit leftist.
Did your piece of shit ass see the verdict of that pedophile? He'd already been charged twice and here you are whining after he admitted to pedophilia to a SEVEN YEAR OLD and you're fucking whining that the mother killed him.
You are scum. People with your ideals must die. You bring the downfall of civilization.
I've asked kindly already to stop with the name calling, et cetera. My goal is not to fight you or to get you angry.
I've already clarified that my original comment was more general in nature, to be the voice of reason on a fired up thread. People keep referencing this case specifically as some sort of evidence that this should become the norm. But I'm trying to make people aware that it'd still have its drawbacks. I know you are angry, but don't pin defending pedophilia on me. I don't like it just as much as you don't.
I think you are just fired up, and with good reason. I am too. But you haven't advocated any actual procedure(s) that should be followed in response to the concerns I've raised so I don't know what you're even championing for. If you still maintain that you are in fact representing a position for a change in the way these crimes are handled, please clarify the following:
What would the metric of criteria be for allowing one to take the law into their own hands, bar a trial? Would the person have to witness the incident occurring directly? Would word-of-mouth evidence suffice, and how much?
How would such a system of governance handle incidents in which things went wrong an innocents were falsely accused and/or killed? Please describe responses to 2 types of incidents, ones in which the rules you listed in my first question were followed properly, and ones in which they weren't.
Would this system apply to all crimes? Would there be different criteria and answers to the above for different crimes?
Should the US drop the system of courts and law enforcement, and just go full anarchy a-la wild west? It'd be an interesting concept.
Please, don't overly-reference this specific case or bring up Grabowski anymore in your answers. I'll re-iterate that this is not what my chain of comments was ever about. I'm not trying to be a smartass or give you a hard time. I'll listen to your ideas if you actually advocate something and aren't just fired up at me for attempting to be the voice of reason. I wasn't trying to be a party pooper. I was originally and still am just trying to get people here to realize that just because they liked what happened to this guy doesn't mean that adopting this as the standard won't have its drawbacks and kinks in the system.
I understand the point about the court system but at the same time prudence and restraint must be practiced. What are you guys advocating, that we just go out and shoot people? You realize we'll just go to jail too, right?
This story aside, you can't just go around killing people on suspicions, is my point. These big-ten-gallon wearers with the "SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PEDOPHILE" business "ain't" right. You could end up killing someone who is innocent.
As I said in another comment, there are instances where immature teens trying to make their friends laugh will just shout "pedophile!" at passerby. When Mr.-Texas-Ten-Gallon hears that, grabs his gun and tries to be a hero before any type of trial or even further investigation takes place, he ends up killing a completely innocent person who was just minding their own business.
Hero
This women went through hell and was the right hand of GOD that day. JUSTICE!
God bless her.
Old Testament justice right there.
guy was a jew too, color me suprised.
Oy vey the goyim know!
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Marianne_Bachmeier?lang=en
Klaus Grabowski was a convicted sex offender and had previously been sentenced for the sexual abuse of two girls. In 1976, he voluntarily submitted to chemical castration, though it was later revealed that he underwent hormone treatment to try to reverse the castration.
Once arrested, Grabowski stated that he did not intend to abuse Anna sexually. He said that Anna tried to seduce and extort him, and his fear of going back to prison prompted him to kill her. He said the girl had wanted to tell her mother that he had touched her inappropriately, with the aim of extorting money from him.
On 6 March 1981, the third day of the trial, Marianne Bachmeier smuggled a Beretta 70[1] into the courtroom of Lübeck District Court and shot the confessed killer of her daughter, Klaus Grabowski, in the back.[2] She aimed the gun at Grabowski's back and pulled the trigger eight times. Seven of the shots hit him, and the 35-year-old defendant was killed almost instantly.[3]
Two sides to every story... But even if you assume the dude was being honest, that is exactly the kind of situation you run so the fuck far away from that you talk to whoever is in charge of you for your prior crimes.
Like, it doesn't make an argument to say "she tried to extort me and I was scared" if you do that shit.
I get it, no one believes you after you commit those types of crimes. But you stand a better chance of telling someone about it the moment it happens than doing that shit.
But that's if you assume the dude was being honest.
A 7 year old girl, that manipulative and conniving? The only two possibilities are that the mother put her up to it, or the dude was lying and doing everything he could to escape. My opinion is the latter. She absolutely did not come up with that on her own.
💯 everything you said
Prior crimes that should ahve got him shot deaD back then.
FU$K YES
She kept pulling the trigger on an empty chamber
Did she get a medal?
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Marianne_Bachmeier?lang=en
On 2 November 1982, Marianne Bachmeier was initially charged in court with murder. Later the prosecution dropped the murder charge. After 28 days of negotiations, the Board agreed on the verdict. Four months after the opening of proceedings she was convicted on 2 March 1983 by the Circuit Court Chamber of the District Court Lübeck for manslaughter and sentenced for unlawful possession of a firearm to six years in prison but was later released after serving three years.
A large part of the population showed understanding for her actions. She sold her life story for about 250,000 Deutsche Mark in an exclusive to the news magazine Stern.
So she served about three years too many. Could have been worse, I suppose.
“I hereby sentence you to time served. Look after your child”
She served more than that, of course, because of the extra time negotiating and debating.
Ridiculous.
worth it
2nd Amendment, any objections?
Ooh, a Teutonic 'Klaus' that rapes and murders young girls. Fancy.
https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=grabowski
https://dbs.anumuseum.org.il/skn/en/c6/e249634/Family_Name/KLAUS
I had to check. I am German, I have no sense of humor. The only thing that makes me laugh is when people get hurt by their own actions in predictable ways.
Jewish first name, Jewish last name. Why do taboo stereotypes keep popping up? 🤔
No, there are lots of Polish names in Germany.
True and this Grabowski could definitely have been Polish
Surname ...ski is usually of Polish origin.
Surname ...sky is usually of Jewish origin (Jewish living in Germany)
Usually.
Lots of Polish have switched to "sky" to avoid discrimination & persecution, especially after moving to other countries. And vice-versa, for Jews, Germans, & Russians living in Poland.
My family is Polish, and my parents told me this was very common because of WWII, Communist USSR, and further oppression by political empires (like Prussia, which partitioned Poland and absorbed it as part of its German & Austrian Empires, and the Russian Empire) going as far back as 1770s.
Fair enough
#TheNoticing
This needs to go viral in and around Arizona voting stations. Maybe then the corruption will stop.....dead in its tracks.
Don't fk with a Momma Bear.
Instant justice, fk the corrupt courts.
Yes, that poor woman's pain, my heart breaks for her, I know I would do the same, there is no reason to live after someone does that to your child, except for what she did. Too bad it wasn't a lot of shots to the gut, enough to kill him, but not so fast.
In Texas or Louisiana she would have got off with a stern warning and a pat on the back.
She's definitely a heroine!
Thats a straight up Terminator 2 assassination. Well done. I hope she found peace in her life.
Probably satisfaction from justice. But never peace, because of what that monster did to her daughter. Just horrific. There are some criminals who cannot be rehabilitated.
Except via lead injections*****
No, she didn't. If I remember correctly, she left the country after prison, went to India (?) and returned several years later. She died of cancer at a rather young age.
This is the way.
When normies realize they've been murdered...
Yeah, it might actually get really ugly; the first few will be treated harshly to be made examples of, but the dam can break quickly once it surges.
It would quickly spiral out of their control if soft targets got that treatment. If it happens in a Courtroom or an office the offender is hooped, but if they show up out of the bushes as someone is leaving or returning home, or even in the middle of the night, they're probably going to get away, at least for a while. However, do not do that as it is illegal and I'm not sure God waives the "thou shall not kill" commandment in cases like that.
Not my thing, no worries. But normies suddenly waking up to the fact that their loved ones were murdered and the whole system was rigged to do it, all that knowledge crashing in at once, is going to break some people. We saw paid mobs, I feel like there will be some "honest" mobs at some point, maybe some vengeance, depends on the city and circumstances. The non-Christian folks don't have the fear of God or guidance of commandments, really. And there's a bunch of supposedly Christian folks that hold an amazing amount of hate in them.
Beretta? An Italian weapon? Wouldn't a good German model be more symbolic? Still, justice has arisen.
HK has entered the chat.
Psh HK hates civilians.
-an hk owner.
H&K doesn't like us plebs owning their firearms?
Hey, somebody knows what justice is suppose to be. She should have been put on their Supreme Court!
Some heros wear overcoats instead of capes....
MOAR OF THIS.
Bravo Zulu
When the state defends rapists and murderers from their victims, and from righteous vengeance by the survivors of the victims, then you can know certainly that the state is corrupt and must be torn down. A parent killing the rapist and murderer of their child is not a murder, it is justice.
Gary Plauche did nothing wrong either.
Is this real footage or is it a scene from a movie about her?
Edit: I think it must be from a movie, the cameraman is way too steady.
Asking the real questions
Idk, I can't find any movies on her or other sources from that same trial butthe video quality looks pretty spot on for the time the event took place (1981)EDIT: I think I found the film Anna's Mutter, it is not the same I think the clip I found is actual footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRvxevq958&t=4646
I think it could be this movie (Annas Mutter):
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0085171/
Its not from the film, see the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRvxevq958&t=4646
I think the catbox link is actual footage. The actors couldnt cut the real thing imo.
Damn you found it hella fast lol. I guess unless there's another movie about it you must be right. But Anna's Mutter is the only one I've found so if there is another one it must be way less known and therefore I'd kinda doubt that their shooting scene would be that much better than AM's.
Here's some footage of her from around the court trials
(15:13)
https://www.spiegel.de/video/marianne-bachmeier-interview-video-99009785.html
Yeah she looks different. I'll see if I can find the timestamp if it's in Anna's Mutter.
EDIT: I think I found the film Anna's Mutter, it is not the same I think the clip I found is actual footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRvxevq958&t=4646
Needs to become the norm. And more than just for the rapist. Needs done to the forgiving, weak sentencing judges and corrupt, disgusting defense attorneys too.
How about prosecutors?
This is the way.
That's what I call a speedy trial
This might be what it comes down to, a few of us taking one for the team to restore the country.
It's possible we're going to see this on a whole new level if the Epstein Island Crimes are exposed to the fullest extent.
Think people like Hussein, HRC, WJC, Biden
Right fuckin on!
absolute legend
Damn savage. Justice delivered swiftly and resolutely.
cheers
No Amnesty
She did nothing wrong.
I know patriots are all "HUP HUP YEAH DO IT" but I don't support this kind of mentality.
You should let the court system play out. What if you end up shooting an innocent man?
Pedophilia is not legal. A few powerful people got away with it- you woudn't be able to shoot them anyway.
None of you upvoting / talking like this would actually go out and do what you're espousing. I'm saying, stop exalting it before you convince a cringe fellow to. Remember the guy who shot up the pizza parlor and made us look like jackasses?
This is not an anarchy. We follow the law.
30.06 from 500 yards away. And that shooting was a false flag anyway.
I understand the point about the court system but at the same time prudence and restraint must be practiced. What are you guys advocating, that we just go out and shoot people? You realize we'll just go to jail too, right?
This story aside, you can't just go around killing people on suspicions, is my point. These big-ten-gallon wearers with the "SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PEDOPHILE" business "ain't" right. You could end up killing someone who is innocent.
As I said in another comment, there are instances where immature teens trying to make their friends laugh will just shout "pedophile!" at passerby. When Mr.-Texas-Ten-Gallon hears that, grabs his gun and tries to be a hero before any type of trial or even further investigation takes place, he ends up killing a completely innocent person who was just minding their own business.
I don't like it any more than you.
In this case, the scumbag admitted to the crime.
Keep clutching those pearls.
I don't want to fight you. Please go easy on the idioms, escalating tensions, or making cracks. We need to be united. Thank you.
Again, I am not so much commenting on this particular case rather than the fact that I don't want people to see OP's post and conjure up dreams of automatic heroism. I want to make people aware that there could be serious unintended consequences if they get all gun-ho about this.
Yeah - all Texans wear a ten gallon cowboy hat and go around shooting innocent people. Thanks asshole.
Sorry about that LOL
https://wikiless.org/wiki/Marianne_Bachmeier?lang=en
No waiting for a West German court to give a slap on the wrist to an already twice convicted pedophile jewish defendant. Kill him and enact justice.
If you still think it was wrong killing him after seeing he already confessed to it and tried to twist himself as a victim, I sure hope people holding ideals like you are killed off in the future. We have no more need for weak willed and ignorant men that continue to allow evil.
I couldn't agree more. You can be my wingman any day.
#TheNoticing
How many people have you shot and killed, exactly? LOL
I haven't killed anyone yet but everybody who has always had a first. Btw what are you doing on this forum trying to mollify others on this obviously barbaric act done by Grabowski? You're no warrior, you don't seek actual justice. You sound like a piece of shit leftist.
I am just as fervorous as you, but I'd be pissed if some idiot killed someone I loved who was innocent.
By this logic, should someone be able to come into your house and shoot you, and get away with it on account of, "I thought they were a pedophile"?
"Oh well, no. There'd have to be some evidence first. A bunch of people would have to come forward and present that evidence."
You mean like a TRIAL?
Which is all I'm advocating. For anything. We need fair trials this country. It's in the bill of rights.
Did your piece of shit ass see the verdict of that pedophile? He'd already been charged twice and here you are whining after he admitted to pedophilia to a SEVEN YEAR OLD and you're fucking whining that the mother killed him.
You are scum. People with your ideals must die. You bring the downfall of civilization.
I've asked kindly already to stop with the name calling, et cetera. My goal is not to fight you or to get you angry.
I've already clarified that my original comment was more general in nature, to be the voice of reason on a fired up thread. People keep referencing this case specifically as some sort of evidence that this should become the norm. But I'm trying to make people aware that it'd still have its drawbacks. I know you are angry, but don't pin defending pedophilia on me. I don't like it just as much as you don't.
I think you are just fired up, and with good reason. I am too. But you haven't advocated any actual procedure(s) that should be followed in response to the concerns I've raised so I don't know what you're even championing for. If you still maintain that you are in fact representing a position for a change in the way these crimes are handled, please clarify the following:
What would the metric of criteria be for allowing one to take the law into their own hands, bar a trial? Would the person have to witness the incident occurring directly? Would word-of-mouth evidence suffice, and how much?
How would such a system of governance handle incidents in which things went wrong an innocents were falsely accused and/or killed? Please describe responses to 2 types of incidents, ones in which the rules you listed in my first question were followed properly, and ones in which they weren't.
Would this system apply to all crimes? Would there be different criteria and answers to the above for different crimes?
Should the US drop the system of courts and law enforcement, and just go full anarchy a-la wild west? It'd be an interesting concept.
Please, don't overly-reference this specific case or bring up Grabowski anymore in your answers. I'll re-iterate that this is not what my chain of comments was ever about. I'm not trying to be a smartass or give you a hard time. I'll listen to your ideas if you actually advocate something and aren't just fired up at me for attempting to be the voice of reason. I wasn't trying to be a party pooper. I was originally and still am just trying to get people here to realize that just because they liked what happened to this guy doesn't mean that adopting this as the standard won't have its drawbacks and kinks in the system.
I'm speaking more about the general mindset and the bumper stickers that say "SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PEDOPHILE" etc.
I've heard of instances where kids just being silly will yell that term at random passerby, trying to make their friends laugh.
In a better world, I would agree with you. But we don't live in that world, and it's not the fault of brave people like her.
I understand the point about the court system but at the same time prudence and restraint must be practiced. What are you guys advocating, that we just go out and shoot people? You realize we'll just go to jail too, right?
This story aside, you can't just go around killing people on suspicions, is my point. These big-ten-gallon wearers with the "SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PEDOPHILE" business "ain't" right. You could end up killing someone who is innocent.
As I said in another comment, there are instances where immature teens trying to make their friends laugh will just shout "pedophile!" at passerby. When Mr.-Texas-Ten-Gallon hears that, grabs his gun and tries to be a hero before any type of trial or even further investigation takes place, he ends up killing a completely innocent person who was just minding their own business.
I don't like it any more than you.