How about the 80's in some areas of the Bible Belt? Define oppression.
You can't show/rent this movie because it has nudity. These movies need to be banned because they have swear words. Sex outside of marriage is illegal. Or at the extreme end, all courses on evolution need to be banned because it contradicts the Bible. Trying to use economic blackmail to force businesses to accept your version of morality.
YOU are allowed your opinions and encourage others to follow you through example and action. You are not allowed to dictate that others accept your opinions and use manipulative tactics to obtain it. That is oppression.
God's law does exist. Theft is always wrong, including theft of the right to decide your own journey on this planet. (Which is why abortion is wrong. It steals the life of another.) There are absolutely lines we all need to respect. Christian fundamentalism crosses those lines. Christianity does not. You can't force your belief structure on others through coercion.
That was my point and you made it beautifully. What you call "oppression" was nothing but fighting against the time tested playbook of the Cabal - immorality to breakdown our spirituality, our family values, and ultimately our kids.
Thankfully, I dont have to make myself hoarse arguing how immorality is the gateway to the Satanic enslavement because we are watching that movie playing out right in front of our eyes.
Whether you call it spirituality or christianity, whether you follow the words in the Bible or not, guess what? At the end of all this, we are going to a world of morality and family and spiritual values because without those, we have seen the precipice they brought us to.
The only thing that made it this hard for the Cabal to bring us to this brink is the Christian values, whether you like it or not.
What you are talking about is not "Fundamentalism" but what propaganda smears it as fundamentalism.
Trying to use economic blackmail to force businesses to accept your version of morality.
Oh man, I fell off my chair reading this. What is ESG? Why are all the countries around the world forced to accept LGBT ideology?
I think you have very little self awareness that you are throwing this out without even a hint of irony.
Here is another way to thinking about it: Having seen how the progressivism has used and abused peoples ideas of equality and freedom to push us to the brink, how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way?
I believe this is basically what the Christianity set out to do, after Jesus exposed the bankers doing pretty similar to what they are doing today, and tried to codify simple rules that would keep the future generations safe.
If I have to choose between Dungeons and Dragons or Keeping kids safe from the Satanists, I would chose the latter any day. It's not a solution, but a compromise.
how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way
As Dr Ron Paul famously has said: you cannot legislate morality. Morality comes from within.
Consider the 10 commandments. Careful consideration of these laws, of which many still cling without a thought, reveals that these are property laws. Do not kill, is eared towards the meaning of honoring the other's life. Do not steal is geared towards honoring another's property. But that goes for do not commit adultery, do not covet, honor thy parents, even keep holy the sabbath is honoring a property right. Lying or bearing false witness, destroys the good name of someone else: i.e. property right.
Taking all these things in as a whole, we, ourselves, are the embodiment of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It encompasses everything, including to treat others the way we want to be treated or to do for others what we wish they'd do for us.
George Washington' s farewell address practically gives answers to your question: how to "how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way?"
It depends on what we set as an example.
To a degree the freedom loving man is always in a disadvantageous position in relation to the oppressor wannebe. It is more difficult to organize freedom loving people than it is to organize those who willingly separated themselves from their freedom to follow the rule of just one man, or a small group of men with an agenda.
As Reagan said: freedom is not passed to the next generation.
It is our determination on the red line beyond which they shall not go, that eventually will save the day. That red line, that precipice is ours to decide.
Saving the Republic, saving the basis on which this Republic stands, is our inheritance. (a word closely related to, heredity and heretic: to choose)
In a way, betraying that basis, is basically betraying ourselves.
one thing is clear though: parents must be in the driver seat when it comes to the education of their offspring, and determinative on what is being taught to their kids.
Freedom, or even nature for that matter, always takes it sweat time.
The argument against oppression is an argument for freedom, BUT there is no freedom without responsibility.
And, if God exists, then the decision as to what is one's responsibility or not is not purely a matter for self-choice. It is, in its initial and root form, God defined.
The real challenge of history is to find those definitions that are God's, and we do that by ever increasingly resonating conceptualizations.
This is what I think BB is or was getting to. What God defines as responsible human living is expressed, whether imperfectly or perfectly, to the highest available degree in the Christian teaching, as an expression of the thought of Christ. (I am of the belief that the expression is not perfect in one sense, but it is better than anything else. Thus, the expression is merely a stepping stone to the source).
Codify does not necessarily mean codify in a legal sense. It can (and in BB's case, I believe does- correct me if I'm wrong BB) mean simply to enunciate in concentrated form that allows the information to be brought together into an integrated system of codes, or principles, as guiding designations as opposed to legal imperatives.
All that is fine and dandy, but the concrete question is not about morality. Its about how do you codify the does and donts to ensure the future generations do not get seduced into the abyss?
It has to be something people can remember easily - 5 generations from now, having only a vague idea of the true history of these times.
Having seen how the progressivism has used and abused peoples ideas of equality and freedom to push us to the brink, how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way?
Yes, you posed that question with reason. Framed like this it indeed fuels the need for codification.
I am not a doer of wrong to men.
I am not one who telleth lies instead of truth.
I am not a teller of tales.
I cause not famine.
I cause not weeping.
I am not a murderer.
I give no orders for murder.
I reduce not the offerings in the temples.
I lessen not the cakes of the gods.
I rob not the dead of their funeral food.
I tamper not with the tongue of the balance.
I snatch not the milk from the mouth of babes.
I drive not the cattle from their pastures.
I net not the birds of the manors of the gods.
I catch not the fish of their ponds.
I stop not the water at its appointed time.
I divide not an arm of the water in its course.
I am not fraudulent in measures of grain.
I am not sluggish.
I am not an eavesdropper.
I am not one of prating tongue.
I trouble not myself except with my own affairs.
I commit not adultery.
I am not hot of speech.
I lend not a deaf ear to the words of righteousness.
I am not given to cursing.
I put no check upon the water in its flow.
I have no unjust preferences.
I have no strong desire except for my own property.
This is an ancient codification from the Book of the Dead, judgement. Refraining from doing something as opposed to the encouragement to do something. Each of the above lines has a positive antipode.
Yet, again, history teaches that it is easily forgotten. The toils of man to exit are such that the real values and virtues are often forgotten. Fortitude and being upright give way to compromise and submission, courage to cowardice, truth to lie, honesty to deceit, principle to political expediency.
So, how do you codify?
People of every civilization have often kept their stories in tact, over thousands of years. any of these stories have several layers: Musement, morality, deeper spiritual truths.
When I read Massey's book: Egypt, the light of the world, it became quite obvious how easy things are forgotten, when stories no longer reverberate, but are nothing more than myths with no relevance for today. An even "modern" developments destroying the tribal cohesion, or national cohesion, changes the very stories that kept culture alive, to the dustbin of marxist cancel culture.
Some of these myths are rehashed and staged in a form and manner that totally subverts and destroys it's meaning, inducing faulty views. (think Hollywood)
Perhaps this ebb and flood of is also a manifestation of humanity. In the 1200 new ideals were "discovered". Die Nibelungen is one such tale.
Perhaps in the same vein: The Lord of the Rings, is a modern tale containing the same type of codes.
If I have to choose between Dungeons and Dragons or Keeping kids safe from the Satanists, I would chose the latter any day. It's not a solution, but a compromise.
I think you know this, but.. we only have to choose for ourselves and our families. My wife wasn't allowed to listen to most music or watch most movies as a kid. She has never seen an episode of "friends." Some parents may think it's ok for their kids to watch "friends." Some may not. Parenting works; no banning of D&D is necessary.
The fact is, we were living in a world of darkness where the nature of reality was hidden from us. Those who knew we were being driven into the abyss had a really hard time stopping it. They had to pick between letting this slow crash happen, or suppressing their own kids from what they believed were their freedoms. There were no easy answer. There still aren't, and hopefully after the awakening the answers will become easier.
I think D&D is just an example. But think about it - most D&D games have nothing to do with dungeons, and yet its named as such. Why is that?
As for Friends or almost any other TV show - they all have so much propaganda embedded into them in such subtle ways, it changes who we are without even realising how. The solution is definitely not to ban it, but to throw light on it and its not easy to do. At least we are now learning how to do it, but our parents and previous generations didn't have this luxury.
I myself grew up in a house where I was not allowed to watch American shows or music (Our TV did not even get those). I felt like I missed a lot. In my 20s I watched a whole lot of all that stuff. Now that I understand the truth about MK Ultra (yeah it was not limited to CIA dungeons, but it was pervasive through main stream media) and I understand how this propaganda works, I have pretty much lost interest in most shows and music I used to listen. I can now see that it's truly satanic and yet I used to feel oppressed when I was young for being stopped from listening to these.
Again, when it comes to parenting, there are no easy answers. The anti-humanists have made it pretty much a choice between willingly send your kind into the arms of the Evil, or make them feel traumatised and lose them.
Added: One undeniable fact, regardless of which parenting is effective or how oppression religions are - if the Americans specifically did not have the so called "Bible Belt", we would have been at the abyss long long ago.
Agreed about the Bible Belt and almost everything else except that parents will lose their children if they shield them from bad influences. Didn't happen with my wife, at least, so it's doable, if done right. After she moved out, she rebelled a tiny bit. Bought a Marilyn Manson CD (lol). But the benefit outweighed the harm overall and she gets along well with her parents.
"The world is more complex than that. I find those who paint the world with a paint roller are simplistic and uninteresting."
And what you've said is very much a simplistic rebuttal of an argument.
1 - speaking in terms of "far far right" when referring to... Christianity? I'm not even sure what you're speaking about... something religious in your mind though?
I'll assume you're speaking about Christianity - to consider that Right or Left is completely misunderstanding it. It is Neither. That is a very simplistic paradigm that is born of the world's value system, with no understanding of what the Bible teaches.
To say the things Jesus did in his time, he made RADICAL statements. Love thy enemy! Forgive everyone without exception. Feed the hungry. Cloth the naked. Look after widows and the poor.
God doesn't even FORCE Himself on us - He leave the choice up to US to choose to follow Him or not.
Does that sound "far-far right" to you?? LOL!
2 - I'm a huge fan of D&D - I'm a professional musician - I've been around lots who smoke weed. I can tell you that I can definitely see how in each of those areas, those areas CAN be a very slippery slope. They CAN be used as gateways for the Devil.
The claim that those things are of the Devil flat out, is false. But like anything - they CAN be used by the Devil - and I certainly see how.
Consider Roleplaying someone demonic in D&D - murdering kids for sacrifices that somehow empower your character... I get it that to say that may be a gateway to Satan, for some, sounds ridiculous. But for others, it is the truth. Have you SEEN the new Diablo 4 trailers? LOL. They literally have BAAL in there. You're on a Forum here that believes in things like Predictive Programming and Child Sacrifices - and you IGNORE BAAL showing up in Pop Culture?
Consider all of the forms of music out there - consider the emotional/spiritual realm is a large part of both Performing and Creating music - for lots of artists. When you're in that realm, you are in a space that can lead you off God's path of reality and into some other area of "truth" - which is OF the Devil. Also worth noting - Lucifer was the MUSICIAN of Heaven. Think about that one next time your diminish the power of music, lol...
Weed - ever heard of the sin of Sloth? I'm not saying everyone who smokes goes down that path - but I'd say you're lying if you claimed No One did.
I'm not trying to attack you. If that's how you feel - understand that I love you and that is not my intent.
The world is a spiritual battleground. It is through the lens of the Bible that you will start to see it.
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
Speaking in terms of "far far right" when referring to... Christianity? I'm not even sure what you're speaking about... something religious in your mind though?
Fundamentalism in any religion is "far far right" to me.
Muslims that kill their daughter because they went on a date is another example.
I can tell you that I can definitely see how in each of those areas, those areas CAN be a very slippery slope.
Yeah, for the weak minded. Anything can be a slippery slope to dispair.
I think there's a lot of people out there that don't have a proper family and this leads to all sorts of slips down slopes. It's not the devil that did it, maybe the parents have a tough time making ends meet and Ball
But people can turn shit around. We don't need a bunch of fundies that we give power to because "religion" because then we get George Bush trying to start shit in the middle east to try to kickstart Jesus coming back, which is as bad as what we have under the control of the left.
Have you SEEN the new Diablo 4 trailers? LOL. They literally have BAAL in there.
Yeah, he's a antagonist. You're supposed to defeat him. This is the kind of hyperbole I'm sick of. Who'd you expect to fight in hell? I mean when you have BAAL in a fashion magazine and stuff, I'd give it to you, that it's probably some sort of cabal thing but in a good vs. evil game that takes place in hell? I kind of expect to see Baal in play.
RE: Baal in play - yes, but it's not teaching anyone who Baal actually is. This very serious real life demon is used in a play setting as "just another bad guy". It's getting people desensitized to something that is very dangerous.
I hear what you're saying - that the hyperbole is annoying in discussions like this. But what in my message has struck you as hyperbole? Why?
Is it because you don't really believe in things like demonic forces? Spiritual warfare happening right here on earth around us?
Again - you're talking to someone who plays D&D regularly and someone who works professionally in the game industry.
I have statues of gargoyles and dragons and all sorts of things like that.
It's been in the last two years that I've started to take that stuff more seriously and question having it around.
It's not that the little plastic statue has any power - no, not at all. It's a dumb little plastic statue - a decoration.
But what is it adding to my life by having it around? Follow that question deeper and you may see where it leads.
Dancing on the edge of something you don't know how deep it goes is very dangerous.
If you know how deep it goes, it's still dangerous - but at least you're aware.
A lot of your language in your descriptions is around "Right" and "Left".
I would encourage you to realize that "Right" and "Left" are just a facade dichotomy that Satan uses to keep our eyes off of the real battle.
If you are playing on the field of "Right" vs "Left" in your mind, then you will not see the real battle lines - and that will not end well, friend.
The problem with the way Cabal operates is, they take legitimate problems in the society (most of them put in there by themselves in the past), and then they get people all riled up and drive them to the other end of the pit, never letting anyone find a middle ground of balance on all sides.
First, religion is pushed to extremes by people who dont even understand what religion is about.
Then, they push the unhappy people to the other extreme in the name of progressivism.
For them it doesnt matter on which end we fall into the abyss, as long as we fall in it.
Except that you're wrong. It was our checks and balances that kept us safe. You think it's "muh Christianity" because you have been told such. And you were told to look for all the markers to prove that it's human degeneracy that's to blame and that it's always inevitable. But not you. You're special. You've been chosen out of 6000 known religions and 8 billion people to follow the correct religion. No one else matters cause they are bound for hell. And you need to treat people like shit with scorn and contempt despite the fact Jesus says the opposite.
That was my experience with multiple churches until I realized, they are no different than the cabal. Was the church talking about human trafficking or pizzagate or Epstein? One church had the balls to actual call attention to human trafficking that's out of like 30 I attended across thousands of miles of United States. 1/30 actually brought attention to REAL evil, not their fantasy, outdated legend that doesn't serve to help people, but rather the same type of programming the cabal uses... but they are the good guys cause they told us.
Wrong. Programming and manipulating people is wrong and this is why a theocracy ISN'T realistic. It's also why we have the Constitution and NOT the Bible as the law of the land. If you actually read Jefferson and Maddison while a lot of them were men of conviction they also knew the importance of the right to choose and that is what a theocracy does: it spiritually rapes people.
The root problem is not immorality and a desire to sin, it's a desire to control. The church wants you hyper focused on other people's lives so you run out of steam and need to go to them to recharge. They want you dependent on them because they are an energy sucking business like all the rest. Jesus said "where two or more of my people gather, there I am also". That's it. That's church. Not the crap that Paul said which became law. Jesus is the authority and His authority is His alone. Nowhere does He give us authority over any other human. He doesn't want people forced into believe Him because He knows that is wrong. That is why we have the Constitution.
Yes, degenerates are gonna degenerate. As long as sin is allowed to thrive that will always be. But how exactly do you think the magical purification happens? Jesus comes back and we're magically restored? No. The only way to overcome sin is to rationalize it into oblivion. But at the same time, the well is tainted with what sin is. Your lifestyle might not be one to include "degenerate" things, but here's the best part: that's okay. As long as you choose for yourself because it's what you want that's all that matters. As long as you respect the rights of others to exist and have ideas and respect their consent, that's really all that matters. Most everything else people need to experience and decide for themselves. All we can do is pray, love them and share our experiences and reasons why our way of life is better. But even then, our way is also unique to each of us individually.
Just always remember no matter how impassioned you get that Jesus will decide everyone's fate on His time in His way. We only decide our own. And really... we want most everyone else to be saved. Not damned. Hell or oblivion is for the pedo elite. Most everyone else deserves a second chance even if they don't get it in this life. And do you really want to keep representing the kingdom as a place of judgement? When I shed my past insecurities and judgements, my depression and anxiety, a lot of which was built up by the churches, vanished. I have a very centered mind these days. I have my bad days, we all do, but looking back at the fundamentalist piece of trash I used to be, no. Never again. And I will never allow such a person to wield any real power because I know like my past self, they will abuse it.
Every form of tyranny. Means every form of tyranny even the ones we think we would agree with and be okay with.
Wow, I have never seen a comment to disconnected with the person you are talking to. It always helps to ask questions rather than just jump to conclusions and then argue with a phantom person.
I am not a Christian
I have been a life long atheist/agnostic until I found Q. I used to hate religions, Christianity especially, passionately until then.
I am slowly connecting dots starting from Q saying "this is biblical" to what Bible has to do with Q.
This lead me to finding my own spirituality, that has nothing to do with Bible or Christianity
I do believe our fight with the Cabal is a continuation from thousands of years ago and Bible is a historical record of the origin of our enslavement
I believe the old testament is a record of our enlsavement by malign alien beings and new testament is a record of a figure we call Jesus, who was a benign alien being. He exposed the Evil and helped codify certain rules that the generations could follow to ensure they do not get enslaved again. A big part of the enslavement is through financial control (hence "money changers") and destroying family and social cohesion.
The codification included "No usury" (hence they came up with central banks), and "morality" (to save family and social cohesion).
Catholicism was the usurping of these codifications by the Cabal to again take control of the masses.
9.Spirituality is separate from religion. Religion is the codification to protect society from the Evil, whereas Spirituality is the universal law that connects us to the universal consciousness (or universal vibration).
When I say Christianity is what saved American from being pushed to the abyss long ago, I do not mean church or pope. I mean the codes that kept the family and social structure intact for as long as it did.
It was our checks and balances that kept us safe. You think it's "muh Christianity" because you have been told such
Actually no one told me the "muh Christianity" kept America safe. It was something I deduced myself based on my own journey as outlined above. As for "checks and balances" - yeah I have been told that many times, and I used to believe it just like you did as the only reason. The more I research, the more I come to the conclusion that Checks and Balances were inherently flawed and had been lost by the time of the civil war, and definitely by the time the Fed was established. However, they still had to work the people out of their codes (Morality) before fully exerting the control they had already taken wielded.
Just a tip - its very obvious that you have some very deep personal issue with Christianity, and thats fair enough - I can easily understand that. Trying to form your world view based on emotions is not the best way to do, if your true goal is to understand the Reality as it exists to the extent possible, rather than the reality as you hope and wish is true.
If you think about the government as a way to create a society that you'd personally like to live in, you're doing it wrong.
We should think about the government in terms of right and wrong. It's wrong to use violence (government) to prevent people from having sex and viewing pornography.
There's a massive difference between restricting something (making it off limits) and making people behave in a particular way (compulsory behavior).
Also, the one who desires that which is restricted will ALWAYS view that restriction as oppression. The question then becomes, by what standard is a restriction validated?
We have by and large, two competing definitions of oppression today. (Sure, an over-simplification, but it's simply a frame to view the layout with.)
One, anything that prevents my (immoral, selfish, destructive) behavior is oppression.
Two, anything that prevents my (moral, equitable, constructive) behavior is oppression.
This is, however, ultimately a conflict between two value systems, and if one is right, accurate and good, the other is wrong, incorrect and evil.
But I think it's important to draw a distinction between legal (which is something created and enforced by the state) and lawful (which is something that upholds law, including the natural and common law), on one hand, and also between a legal and a moral (and lawful) imperative on the other.
A community defining what it sees as a moral imperative is not the same thing as a legal imperative.
The fact is, that living in a society, then one's behavior DOES impact on the rest of society. So, what is the imperative to "do not harm"? The justification for broad and indiscriminate acceptance of homosexual behavior has been that "what someone does in their own privacy doesn't affect others", but in reality, if the spiritual world exists, and we are more than merely material beings, it DOES affect others.
However, in a world of relative good and relative evil, it is NOT for the state to interfere in the choices of individuals, regardless of whether those choices are moral, lawful, or constructive or not. IMO.
"XVI That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore, all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.
Adopted unanimously June 12, 1776 Virginia Convention of Delegates drafted by Mr. George Mason"
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
I think we're looking at two sides of the same coin; whether they're religious fundamentalists or woke . You mentioned it a few times, but I think what drives all of this is authoritarianism.
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. "he warned against the intrusion of authoritarianism in various countries"
lack of concern for the wishes or opinions of others. "in his authoritarianism he has displayed disrespect for the culture he works in"
I know of two reasons why one would be authoritarian. One, they could genuinely be a tyrant. Two, much more likely, they could join with the tyrant because they feel empowered because in reality they are weak and this helps them feel better about themselves.
Start trying to recognize authoritarianism when you see it and call people out on it.
I'm an atheist and would love to blame the Christian Fundamentalists, but knowing what we know now about the secret societies, the global cabal, etc. could Christians have been used as a tool by these tyrants? (remember to think in terms of authoritarianism and the two reasons I just gave) Remember the "Satanic Panic" in the 80s and how the evangelical Christians responded to it? It made Satanism look harmless and the Christians look foolish. It seems to me that Christians were used, knowingly or unknowingly, to further the progress of Satan's worshipers. (I'm not saying Satan exists. I'm saying that the 'thought' of Satan exists and there are those in this world that worship Satan.)
When I go to churches, when I watch TV and when I go here and hear people and see people proclaiming America as "God's chosen land"... my stomach churns. When I read people posting the bull shit of "modern prophets" I feel ill.
Do right by god, do right by your fellow man. God isn't American, god is all of us.
OP, yours is one of the best posts I've seen in ages, I wish I could give it 1000 updoots.
To all of the comments that are saying the theme... "Your Christian values are great, but keep them to yourself - don't try to create laws that reflect them."
I ask you this.
What religion should our laws reflect then?
You didn't read that wrong. Which religion do we use?
You see - even if you do not believe in the truth of the Bible, you follow a religion.
Even if you believe in no god at all - you follow a religion.
Everyone has a religion.
Which do we use when we create our laws?
Funny thing is - our Constitution/Founding Fathers set up the answer for us. Answer - the laws shall be a reflection of the people who decided them.
So - if you're in an area that has a certain religion - you're going to find laws that reflect that.
Now - I completely understand that not everyone in an area is going to like those laws. And I do not suggest that the church should be IN government.
But to suggest to Christians who want to follow the Bible - and whom do not want to have Laws that ENABLE lifestyles that are counter to the Bible...
To suggest we should just sit down, shut up - and follow what YOUR religion is... would be completely hypocritical to your own argument to begin with.
You don't want to be held to standards that are against YOUR beliefs.
So why do you advocate that others bend then knee to yours?
The early Christians did persecute the original pagans in Britain. Well even the word pagan is a religious word meaning savages. They were not savages they were simply non-Christians and not interested in Christianity until it was forced upon them, mostly by the Roman Invasion.
Throughout English history the Christians even tyrannised each other and there were endless Protestant v. Catholic conflicts.
If you give any religious group any kind of authority then eventually you end up with public beheadings because you wore the wrong headdress and insulted the gods.
Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to ..... define everyone else according to our own definition.
(I am strongly sympathetic to, and (with caveats) in agreement with, what you say here.)
However, I would also like to suggest that the only real definitions that work are the ones that are mutually agreed upon.
A person who calls themselves a Christian doesn't really get to define what is and isn't a Christian except for himself and others who agree with him. Accordingly, there will, (kek, by definition) be others who call themselves Christian and who have a different definition than the other who says they aren't.
At that point, it becomes a fight for "orthodoxy", and that I would say is a fight that should ONLY be fought by the power of love, and not by the love of power.
In short, he who loves the most is the one whose definition is the most orthodox and authoritative. Which is also why God's definition is the one that counts, because God loves the most. Perhaps if one could love others MORE than God does, then maybe God would evan acquiesce and say, sure, your definition is the orthodox one.
Because above all things, God is true and God is love, and true (that is, unconditional, unselfish, principled and constructive) love is the most important authority in the universe.
They certainly are here in UK they have same stuff as other Christians (crosses etc.) Even today it's Christians v. Christians with AR-15s in Northern Ireland.
As long as I'm able to freely share the good news I dont care what others "think". I know our good news changes hearts and the whole world will someday bow before his feet.
I pretty much agree with everything you have said. Would just like to point out that "God's law" (AKA "Universal Law") is above the Constitution, and the founders DID assume this when creating the document. It is the reason the Bill of Rights was added as an afterthought.
And for those who believe that Jesus equates to God...I say no. Jesus is the son of God. But what does the word son mean in the context of an infinite creator who is decidedly not human? God is a very personal thing to each of us. If you find comfort in the words of Jesus, that is fantastic. You have found your path. Others find God through the wisdom of Buddah, Mohammed, Krishna, or any of a hundred other spiritual leaders.
We all have our own personal feelings about this subject, and what makes our country great is that this dissensus is not only allowed, it is encouraged. BUT...that only works if we all defer to God's law. When you get a group, such as the globalists, who break God's law/Universal law/Natural law/etc. that is where things become untenable. And that is where we are today.
And yes, religious fundamentalism also breaks God's law. We all have the right to form our own relationship with God and not have it dictated to us by a group following specific religious dogma. If we are ever going to restore our country, we all need to learn this.
"God is a very personal thing to each of us. If you find comfort in the words of Jesus, that is fantastic. You have found your path. Others find God through the wisdom of Buddah, Mohammed, Krishna, or any of a hundred other spiritual leaders."
I am sorry, but that is not a Christian worldview. You may choose to believe that, but you cannot believe that and also claim to hold a truly Christian worldview.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
Galatians 2:21 NASB1995
Read that second one again. The apostle, Paul, was addressing the same pagan belief you claim above: the belief that you can get to God via other means, such as following the Law (10 Commandments, etc.). Paul says, if that is true, then Christ died for nothing.
Now, again, you may have your own thoughts, and that's fine. But they are not Christian thoughts. They are pagan.
As a Christian, I choose to trust God and the Bible more than I trust my own mind. To trust my own mind more than God and His word would be the sin of pride which made Lucifer fall. I would also be breaking a commandment: Have no other gods before me. If I choose to follow my mind and not God and His Holy Word, then I am - in my pride - saying that I am my own god, and that I am putting myself and my mind above God. I am choosing to "Do what thou wilt!" and ignoring God, His will, and His Law. That is Satanism.
I used to think more like you. It's terrifying looking back how easily one is led astray and how readily the sinful flesh seeks to rationalize sin and evil. Truly, as the apostle said, the Devil is the ruler of this world until Christ's return.
As long as you realize this is your personal view, and do not try and force the rest of us to accept that interpretation, then it is perfectly fine and well within the bounds of both this great country and God's law. A Christian fundamentalist would not allow anyone the choice to believe differently. That is the essence of the problem. Dissensus is a great things, and the reason why the human experience is so rewarding. It is the basis for growth of the spirit. Show us through your shining example why that is the correct belief, and allow others to follow you by choice.
Perhaps once you realise that telling Christians to leave you alone so that you are "free to choose" all while being ignorant of every subversive attack the enemy uses through society to pull you away thus leading you to think you are making a "free and informed choice", you may then appreciate the efforts Christians are doing purely give proper caution to the significant efforts underway to steal your soul from your very birth.
What is fundamentalism? Its getting back to the fundamentals of ones religion and I don't see anything wrong with that.
I imagine that most folk imagine it to be something put in place by a firebreathing hell-fire preacher who is highly intolerant of any and all sins, much like Savanarola in medieval Florence.
It isn't and is just another knee jerk word loaded with inbuilt preconceptions, there are a lot of those around.
What is fundamentalism? Its getting back to the fundamentals of ones religion
No, I don't think this is a correct understanding of what 'fundamentalism' is in the context of religion.
I can understand one might WANT it to be that, and that the expression does lend itself to be subjectively interpreted to possibly mean that, but that's not how language works.
Expressions take on their own meaning that in many cases is NOT what is implied by the morphemes or components themselves.
A headcase is not a case in which to carry a head. A sophist was a teacher in ancient Greece, but today a sophist is someone who "deliberately argues using fallacious arguments or reasoning, in order to mislead"
There are certain characteristics that are often part of the denotation of "fundamentalism", including a certain level of rigidity, inability to recognize or acknowledge fallibility, often a tendency to literal interpretations of scripture, assertion that the superiority of the belief system justifies coercion, etc.
Whether you use fundamentalism to mean this or something that suits your own choice, from a language and linguistics viewpoint, that's what it means, because that is how it is widely used and understood by the language community as an entirety.
Of this, I remain fully in the conviction that this is so.
Btw, next day I whipped up a batch of kimchi jjiggae using the last of my recent kimchi batch (about 7 weeks I think, it lasted). Kept the Jjiggae running three days, by adding more kimchi, more broth and more tofu to the initial batch. 50% of our mob ate this while the others have been consuming the dwenjjang jjiggae - the fire of the kimchi jjiggae was not for such as they.
But yesterday, I kinda goofed. Leftover tteokbokki for lunch, kimchi jjiggae for dinner. Just a little too much fire in the hold!!! But boy, it was fun (delish).
Language community? Is that the community who preach for the acceptance of ambiguity in all areas of life, the ones that try to confuse us all with their overly educated arguments and spells? Why do we spell, why is it called spelling?
Language is not ambiguous at all, if it was then the Tower of Babel is being restored, by you and your community of confusion.
Woah, woah, nellie. Kinda heavy with the accusations and the aggressive tone there, ain't you?
I'm just saying, no, you are wrong, this is NOT what fundamentalism means to everyone else on the planet, who speaks English.
Why don't you just type fundamentalism or religious fundamentalism into any search engine and reference documents?
Fyi, the language community is the community of human beings who share a language, as in English.
You can pretend or believe that the expression "fundamentalism" means what you want it to mean, but that doesn't make it true. It's much more than "getting back to the fundamentals of one's religion".
Disagree if you want, but I suggest you pull back on attacking others.
Thank you for the sentiments and you raise many valid criticisms, especially on how Christianity is practiced. There remain difficult issues in our hierarchy of American governments regarding where to draw legal lines on difficult issues like abortion and what is taught in public schools. All such decisions and laws ultimately rely on some form of moral code. But from where does that code arise?
The Myth of Religious Neutrality by Roy Clouser makes the convincing case that everyone is religious in some sense, even atheists. That is, everyone considers something to be divine, e.g. for many who reject Christianity it becomes the cosmos or some kind of mysticism. We have evidence that many of the elite cabal actually worship Satan.
While a fundamental principle of American jurisprudence is freedom of religion, we still must enact and enforce laws locally and federally that ultimately decide what kind of nation we are and will become. Remember Biden and Harris' campaign slogan: "Battle for the Soul of America". My vote is that we, with the love and grace you recommend, continue to rely on traditional Christian moral values and curtail progressives who wish to banish them from the public square.
FYI, the verses don't mean to ignore other's sins entirely, but to address yourself so you can better help others.
From Matthew 7:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
There's a lot of well meaning sentiment in your post.
But, ask yourself this.
What are YOUR standards?
I've spoken to people from other cultures that are US citizens - in their minds, the only reason they don't shoot people is because the LAW prevents them.
Their self standards don't stop them.
So - follow that through.
What happens if we have enough people in this country who have those sorts of Standards?
Do we legalize shooting people?
No? Why not? It's what the people decided in that case.
You're the minority?
According to your argument, who cares about your minority set of Standards!
According to your argument, we who believe that shooting someone else is morally wrong, because the Bible tells us so - should just sit back and shut up, right?
After all - we wouldn't want to force the Bible's standards on anyone, would we?
The Bible is FULL of politics. The Bible is FULL of stories that show that GOD DESTROYS NATIONS WHO ABANDON HIM.
Do you hear that?? DESTROYS NATIONS WHO ABANDON HIM.
How can speak on the virtues of the Bible and not recognize that teaching in the Bible?
We are given the Responsibility to participate in our resources. Our Nation is part of OUR resources.
If as a Christian, we are not also then advocating for taking care of That resource in a way that is in line with the teachings of the Bible - then what ARE we advocating for?
It's not the Bible - it's something of the world.
As I've said before - the Church should not be IN the Government. The Church however is supposed to be the moral compass of the People, whom which creates the Government.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Cant we still rise up in Christ without forcing it upon people. God gave each of us free will. Who are we to take that away. I think the point is we shouldnt demand they change rather we let love conquer all. We can share the good news but we dont save. Only jesus does. I think that's the heart of his message although he maybe could have worded it better
To fight off sickness you need a strong body and a sound mind. I think Christian's need to focus on the getting ride of the darkness from the body of Christ first. Then these fights will become clear and Christ will lead. Yes absolutely vote against these things but let's not make it our lives mission or say we have moral ground to di this this and this. If we learn to truly reflect Christz light then we can then light up the world. However not until we learn to carry that light within as an individual person and collective body of Christ. It's like we are carrying this moral high ground while at the same time living in darkness. So my thought is first we focus on Christian's. Find out how to bring larger portions to one mind in the love and light of Christ
I hear what you're saying - but why can't it be both?
I agree with what you're saying - that we as the Church have a lot we need to get right ourselves.
But what I disagree with - and correct me if I'm wrong - is what seems to be the message here that we should not get involved with voting in line with the Bible until we as a Church are good and clear?
Am I missing something?
I think you would agree that we as Christians will never be perfect - that's the whole point of why we need Jesus to begin with, lol...
So when do we decide we're clean enough to get involved in voting for and proposing laws that reflect what the Bible tells us we should be doing?
I specifically said go ahead and vote. Voting is important. However laws dont prevent evil. Only forces it to act in a more sly manner. God gave us 1 law in the garden. Dont eat from there. Yet we still fell. The solution is to bring people back to Christ. To remove 0ur own planks so we can then help others. Get our own houses in order. Anything else is a band aid
Absolutely agree! But - even though it's just a band aid - and even though it may be the minority - we still have to try for such things.
"The solution is to bring people back to Christ"
Absolutely! Consider this. If we are all predisposed to sin - should we not do things that make it more difficult for us to do so?
We would say we shouldn't put alcohol in front of the alcoholic trying to recover.
Should we also then attempt to not put stumbling blocks in front of our fellow humans that make it easy to slip into un Biblical lifestyles?
I know the choice is with the individual in the end - like you said, "laws dont prevent evil. Only forces it to act in a more sly manner."
Just like the alcoholic could go out when you're asleep and get a drink.
But if we just put the bottle in front of the alcoholic - could we say we care about them?
Point is - I agree with you. The battle is not on one side of the fence or the other - and it does start on one side of the fence for sure. But it's our responsibility to be caretakers for the other.
I re-read what you said - and I do agree with you that this nation will never turn around if the body of Christ does not take care of the apostasy that has taken hold over it.
This woke shit in all actuality is a response to when the Christian Right had influence in this country.
I strongly disagree. I am about as far as one can get from being a Christian fundamentalist, and having done some serious analysis, i have my own thoughts of the why and how 'fundamentalism' - broadly seen - comes about and the impacts on certain levels. So, I'm not attempting to defend religious fundamentalism (although your post would be improved to include or have a clear definition of what you mean by Christian or Religious Fundamentalism).
However, attributing the 'woke shit' to being a response to the Christian Right is comparable to saying the Russian Revolution was a response to the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy, which is, of course the Lie that Marxism presents.
It's also close to saying Lucifer's actions were a response to God's behavior. It seeks to find cause in (and in doing so a justification against) THIS in order to justify THAT.
And that is the satanic lie.
The wokism may have gained traction or been facilitated by the short-comings and mistakes of Christian cultural sphere, but the CAUSE of the wokism is - in the immediate level - Critical Theory, Cultural Marxism and the Infiltration of the Frankfurt School. It is a poison that as and was always inspired by Satanic forces, to undermine the foundation the Creator has sought to built via Christianity.
In seeking to assign cause to the Christian Right, you are, either wittingly or unwittingly, offering what is I would say a fundamentally destructive approach. What seems fairly obvious, I think, is that in criticising the behavior, beliefs and actions of others, you are in part manifesting the very behavior you rail against.
Using the faults and mistakes of others to justify ...... If this isn't what the so-called fundamentalists are doing, then what is it?
Not to indulge in any ad-hominem, I would says there are fairly reasonable grounds for saying you are embodying in some manner the very thing you are 'railing against', albeit simply a different flavor, and under a different banner.
Such railing can often be a tell-tale sign, that in fact, the reaction is reflection of what actually lies underneath. Any analysis at this point is likely to be unwelcome, but it is hard NOT to detect a sense of anger, resentment and unprocessed negative feeling in your expressions of your views in this and similar topics.
In addition, I would say that your post is aggressive, it attacks a large segment of our community, and smacks NOT of sowing unity and understanding, but of sowing resentment, anger and those other negative emotions I alluded to.
Why would we need shills to undermine our board and community when actual members of the community seem willing to play the divisive role, because they think they have a cause that deserves it?
Jewish fundamentalism - implements communism and kills Christians...
I want to learn more about that information. Any direction you could point me towards? These are things I didn't know about and I'm curious to understand them.
You can see a little bit of what you are talking about here on GAW. Some hyper-religious freaks got all bent out of shape that the title of a post "took God's name in vain". Seriously. I thought I showed admirable restraint when I did not go on a flaming rant telling them to fuck the hell off.
Very simply, religious tyrants try to FORCE everyone to believe exactly the same things, exactly the same way that they do. I am a "small L" libertarian, so any efforts to force me to do things I don't want to do has me starting to reach for an ammo box.
I myself am religious (Christian) in a general way, but I am not a fan of any organized religion (all of which end up being about accumulating power and money for the people running them). I think religion is a more personal and private matter, best kept to oneself.
I think it would be great if more people on GAW kept their religion to themselves, as well.
Your words mean NOTHING. Only actions matter. You want to fight against immorality, you do it by your actions, showing how leading a moral life produces vastly superior results. You lead by example, not by talking a good game. Prove it.
No ones more judgmental than the Christians going to church every Sunday and ignoring what's going on today and doing nothing. Pastors riding the fence by carefully curating their sermons to tickle ears. Literally telling people to ignore the world. Now that the Cabal thinks victory is in sight, they turn ageist the pastors they used to pacify. These people seem to be welcoming the Anti-Christ thinking they will be raptured out. I'm sure God expects us to put up a fight.
The Pharisees are everywhere as Jesus said they would be. That's why many quit going to the churches, you can study the Bible with your family and get the message God has for you. People tend to pick and chose in the Churches. I like to use a random book and chapter tool unless I have a topic I want to study specifically.
"I have also taken the Jefferson Oath in recent years: "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny upon the mind of man." "
Not sure but I think even the "Jefferson" bible may contain these words of Jesus. I don't know whether quoting Scripture makes me a fundamentalist or not but I seem to remember from our past interactions that the gospels are the only parts of the Word you choose to believe are genuine. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
33 "Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil. (Matthew 5:33-37, NASB)
"This woke shit in all actuality is a response to when the Christian Right had influence in this country."
I disagree with that, woke-ism is a 100 year old shambling puppet of an ideology where all it's roots can be found from Weimar Germany. It's only coincidental that it usurped and subverted the liberal movements in the late 00's for the ends of those who seek to destroy this country.
the woke shit is pure marxism. I guess you can say marxism would violently reject any religion that gets in their way. They will get to your religion next. I'm not a fundamentalist, but I will say they were/are right. It's time to push all freaks back into the closet.
Fundamentalists are left brain only..they take words with their literal meaning or how they have been mistranslated.
People with ears to hear and eyes to see use their third eye and their inner voice.
Right brain does not use or understand words..it operates through symbols..music art anything creative..it is where intuition telepathy inner guidance comes from..you hear the inner voice
When Yeshua talked about the rich man not entering the kingdom of heaven he meant full of ego ..self importance dominance and all ego stuff.
Give up all your possessions and follow me does not mean get rid of them but they don't matter..you don't judge people by what they have..a bi house a big car is meaningless but people can use them as a crutch for their ego. So you need to read things differently.
Also go into your closet to pray...a quiet place in your home..free from others..
The pineal gland your third eye is your connection to the divine..outside this world. You can call it your conscience...
In the gospel of Peter kept out of the bible along with 73 other books and gospels St Peter ...on whom the church was supposed to be built ..said Yeshua didn't die on the cross..he was only up there four hours and was taken down as had to be for Passover.
Ask yourself why this gospel and the gospel of Thomas..talking about if your i be single your body shall be full of light....your third eye ..the pineal gland ..on the popes staff and all over the Vatican and ancient artifacts.
You cannot talk to fundamentalists...they simply cannot hear you.
Show me anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, or the Constitution where it has "Jesus" or "Christ". (anything similar to that)
The Declaration of Independence does speak to "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". That's it. This sounds far more deistic than Christian, Muslim, etc.
The truth is that many came to this "new world" to escape from religious persecution. The last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was another theocracy.
The truth is that many came to this "new world" to escape from religious persecution.
That was certainly true at the founding aka the initial colonizers.
However, the Declaration of Independence AND the Constitution have a historical, cultural, religious and spiritual context. That context, although unstated, is very real.
For example, ask ANY of the Founding Fathers what THEY understand "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to mean, and I think you would find in 9.5 cases out of 10, it is a Christian understanding. In fact, in their time, such understanding was so pervasively accepted that they even stated "these truths we hold to be self evident". The founders thought that the underlying ethos and value system they held so dear was so profoundly self-evident, that it did not NEED overt clarification.
The God they referred to is invariably what they understood to be the God of Christ, and not any other. To see thing otherwise is to take modern cultural context and attempt to project it back on them. Inappropriately.
No they certainly did NOT wish to create a theocracy, but that is also because they believed that the principles they sought to elevate as the founding principles of the nation (as rooted in the common law) were self-evident, and clear for all. It would, I expect, horrify and stupify them to consider what has happened to US culture in the 20th century, and how a people could fall so far from their roots.
TO THE OFFICERS OF THE FIRST BRIGADE OF THE THIRD DIVISION OF THE MILITIA OF MASSACHUSETTS. 11 October, 1798. GENTLEMEN,
I have received from Major-General Hull and Brigadier. General Walker your unanimous address from Lexington, animated with a martial spirit, and expressed with a military dignity becoming your character and the memorable plains on which it was adopted.
While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Kinda curious to hear when you think was the last time Christian fundamentalists oppressed people.
How about the 80's in some areas of the Bible Belt? Define oppression.
You can't show/rent this movie because it has nudity. These movies need to be banned because they have swear words. Sex outside of marriage is illegal. Or at the extreme end, all courses on evolution need to be banned because it contradicts the Bible. Trying to use economic blackmail to force businesses to accept your version of morality.
YOU are allowed your opinions and encourage others to follow you through example and action. You are not allowed to dictate that others accept your opinions and use manipulative tactics to obtain it. That is oppression.
God's law does exist. Theft is always wrong, including theft of the right to decide your own journey on this planet. (Which is why abortion is wrong. It steals the life of another.) There are absolutely lines we all need to respect. Christian fundamentalism crosses those lines. Christianity does not. You can't force your belief structure on others through coercion.
That was my point and you made it beautifully. What you call "oppression" was nothing but fighting against the time tested playbook of the Cabal - immorality to breakdown our spirituality, our family values, and ultimately our kids.
Thankfully, I dont have to make myself hoarse arguing how immorality is the gateway to the Satanic enslavement because we are watching that movie playing out right in front of our eyes.
Whether you call it spirituality or christianity, whether you follow the words in the Bible or not, guess what? At the end of all this, we are going to a world of morality and family and spiritual values because without those, we have seen the precipice they brought us to.
The only thing that made it this hard for the Cabal to bring us to this brink is the Christian values, whether you like it or not.
What you are talking about is not "Fundamentalism" but what propaganda smears it as fundamentalism.
Oh man, I fell off my chair reading this. What is ESG? Why are all the countries around the world forced to accept LGBT ideology?
I think you have very little self awareness that you are throwing this out without even a hint of irony.
Dungeons and Dragons is of the devil.
This music is of the devil.
Marijuana is of the devil.
The world is more complex than that. I find those who paint the world with a paint roller are simplistic and uninteresting.
I wouldn’t want to be ruled by the far far right, just as much as far far left.
Here is another way to thinking about it: Having seen how the progressivism has used and abused peoples ideas of equality and freedom to push us to the brink, how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way?
I believe this is basically what the Christianity set out to do, after Jesus exposed the bankers doing pretty similar to what they are doing today, and tried to codify simple rules that would keep the future generations safe.
If I have to choose between Dungeons and Dragons or Keeping kids safe from the Satanists, I would chose the latter any day. It's not a solution, but a compromise.
As Dr Ron Paul famously has said: you cannot legislate morality. Morality comes from within.
Consider the 10 commandments. Careful consideration of these laws, of which many still cling without a thought, reveals that these are property laws. Do not kill, is eared towards the meaning of honoring the other's life. Do not steal is geared towards honoring another's property. But that goes for do not commit adultery, do not covet, honor thy parents, even keep holy the sabbath is honoring a property right. Lying or bearing false witness, destroys the good name of someone else: i.e. property right.
Taking all these things in as a whole, we, ourselves, are the embodiment of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It encompasses everything, including to treat others the way we want to be treated or to do for others what we wish they'd do for us.
George Washington' s farewell address practically gives answers to your question: how to "how would you codify in a set of rules that would prevent the future generations from being taken advantage of the same way?"
It depends on what we set as an example.
To a degree the freedom loving man is always in a disadvantageous position in relation to the oppressor wannebe. It is more difficult to organize freedom loving people than it is to organize those who willingly separated themselves from their freedom to follow the rule of just one man, or a small group of men with an agenda.
As Reagan said: freedom is not passed to the next generation.
It is our determination on the red line beyond which they shall not go, that eventually will save the day. That red line, that precipice is ours to decide.
Saving the Republic, saving the basis on which this Republic stands, is our inheritance. (a word closely related to, heredity and heretic: to choose)
In a way, betraying that basis, is basically betraying ourselves.
one thing is clear though: parents must be in the driver seat when it comes to the education of their offspring, and determinative on what is being taught to their kids.
Freedom, or even nature for that matter, always takes it sweat time.
The argument against oppression is an argument for freedom, BUT there is no freedom without responsibility.
And, if God exists, then the decision as to what is one's responsibility or not is not purely a matter for self-choice. It is, in its initial and root form, God defined.
The real challenge of history is to find those definitions that are God's, and we do that by ever increasingly resonating conceptualizations.
This is what I think BB is or was getting to. What God defines as responsible human living is expressed, whether imperfectly or perfectly, to the highest available degree in the Christian teaching, as an expression of the thought of Christ. (I am of the belief that the expression is not perfect in one sense, but it is better than anything else. Thus, the expression is merely a stepping stone to the source).
Codify does not necessarily mean codify in a legal sense. It can (and in BB's case, I believe does- correct me if I'm wrong BB) mean simply to enunciate in concentrated form that allows the information to be brought together into an integrated system of codes, or principles, as guiding designations as opposed to legal imperatives.
As I appreciate code, it is a language descriptive of something, a set of symbols with a message.
I belief we already have these.
i still keep coming back to Washington' s 1793 address. We have the code. Now we need to be knowledgeable of it, and the fortitude to apply it.
All that is fine and dandy, but the concrete question is not about morality. Its about how do you codify the does and donts to ensure the future generations do not get seduced into the abyss?
It has to be something people can remember easily - 5 generations from now, having only a vague idea of the true history of these times.
Yes, you posed that question with reason. Framed like this it indeed fuels the need for codification.
This is an ancient codification from the Book of the Dead, judgement. Refraining from doing something as opposed to the encouragement to do something. Each of the above lines has a positive antipode.
Yet, again, history teaches that it is easily forgotten. The toils of man to exit are such that the real values and virtues are often forgotten. Fortitude and being upright give way to compromise and submission, courage to cowardice, truth to lie, honesty to deceit, principle to political expediency.
So, how do you codify?
People of every civilization have often kept their stories in tact, over thousands of years. any of these stories have several layers: Musement, morality, deeper spiritual truths.
When I read Massey's book: Egypt, the light of the world, it became quite obvious how easy things are forgotten, when stories no longer reverberate, but are nothing more than myths with no relevance for today. An even "modern" developments destroying the tribal cohesion, or national cohesion, changes the very stories that kept culture alive, to the dustbin of marxist cancel culture.
Some of these myths are rehashed and staged in a form and manner that totally subverts and destroys it's meaning, inducing faulty views. (think Hollywood)
Perhaps this ebb and flood of is also a manifestation of humanity. In the 1200 new ideals were "discovered". Die Nibelungen is one such tale.
Perhaps in the same vein: The Lord of the Rings, is a modern tale containing the same type of codes.
I think you know this, but.. we only have to choose for ourselves and our families. My wife wasn't allowed to listen to most music or watch most movies as a kid. She has never seen an episode of "friends." Some parents may think it's ok for their kids to watch "friends." Some may not. Parenting works; no banning of D&D is necessary.
The fact is, we were living in a world of darkness where the nature of reality was hidden from us. Those who knew we were being driven into the abyss had a really hard time stopping it. They had to pick between letting this slow crash happen, or suppressing their own kids from what they believed were their freedoms. There were no easy answer. There still aren't, and hopefully after the awakening the answers will become easier.
I think D&D is just an example. But think about it - most D&D games have nothing to do with dungeons, and yet its named as such. Why is that?
As for Friends or almost any other TV show - they all have so much propaganda embedded into them in such subtle ways, it changes who we are without even realising how. The solution is definitely not to ban it, but to throw light on it and its not easy to do. At least we are now learning how to do it, but our parents and previous generations didn't have this luxury.
I myself grew up in a house where I was not allowed to watch American shows or music (Our TV did not even get those). I felt like I missed a lot. In my 20s I watched a whole lot of all that stuff. Now that I understand the truth about MK Ultra (yeah it was not limited to CIA dungeons, but it was pervasive through main stream media) and I understand how this propaganda works, I have pretty much lost interest in most shows and music I used to listen. I can now see that it's truly satanic and yet I used to feel oppressed when I was young for being stopped from listening to these.
Again, when it comes to parenting, there are no easy answers. The anti-humanists have made it pretty much a choice between willingly send your kind into the arms of the Evil, or make them feel traumatised and lose them.
Added: One undeniable fact, regardless of which parenting is effective or how oppression religions are - if the Americans specifically did not have the so called "Bible Belt", we would have been at the abyss long long ago.
Agreed about the Bible Belt and almost everything else except that parents will lose their children if they shield them from bad influences. Didn't happen with my wife, at least, so it's doable, if done right. After she moved out, she rebelled a tiny bit. Bought a Marilyn Manson CD (lol). But the benefit outweighed the harm overall and she gets along well with her parents.
"The world is more complex than that. I find those who paint the world with a paint roller are simplistic and uninteresting."
And what you've said is very much a simplistic rebuttal of an argument.
1 - speaking in terms of "far far right" when referring to... Christianity? I'm not even sure what you're speaking about... something religious in your mind though?
I'll assume you're speaking about Christianity - to consider that Right or Left is completely misunderstanding it. It is Neither. That is a very simplistic paradigm that is born of the world's value system, with no understanding of what the Bible teaches.
To say the things Jesus did in his time, he made RADICAL statements. Love thy enemy! Forgive everyone without exception. Feed the hungry. Cloth the naked. Look after widows and the poor.
God doesn't even FORCE Himself on us - He leave the choice up to US to choose to follow Him or not.
Does that sound "far-far right" to you?? LOL!
2 - I'm a huge fan of D&D - I'm a professional musician - I've been around lots who smoke weed. I can tell you that I can definitely see how in each of those areas, those areas CAN be a very slippery slope. They CAN be used as gateways for the Devil.
The claim that those things are of the Devil flat out, is false. But like anything - they CAN be used by the Devil - and I certainly see how.
Consider Roleplaying someone demonic in D&D - murdering kids for sacrifices that somehow empower your character... I get it that to say that may be a gateway to Satan, for some, sounds ridiculous. But for others, it is the truth. Have you SEEN the new Diablo 4 trailers? LOL. They literally have BAAL in there. You're on a Forum here that believes in things like Predictive Programming and Child Sacrifices - and you IGNORE BAAL showing up in Pop Culture?
Consider all of the forms of music out there - consider the emotional/spiritual realm is a large part of both Performing and Creating music - for lots of artists. When you're in that realm, you are in a space that can lead you off God's path of reality and into some other area of "truth" - which is OF the Devil. Also worth noting - Lucifer was the MUSICIAN of Heaven. Think about that one next time your diminish the power of music, lol...
Weed - ever heard of the sin of Sloth? I'm not saying everyone who smokes goes down that path - but I'd say you're lying if you claimed No One did.
I'm not trying to attack you. If that's how you feel - understand that I love you and that is not my intent.
The world is a spiritual battleground. It is through the lens of the Bible that you will start to see it.
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
Fundamentalism in any religion is "far far right" to me.
Jesus Camp is an example of far far right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg
Muslims that kill their daughter because they went on a date is another example.
Yeah, for the weak minded. Anything can be a slippery slope to dispair.
I think there's a lot of people out there that don't have a proper family and this leads to all sorts of slips down slopes. It's not the devil that did it, maybe the parents have a tough time making ends meet and Ball
But people can turn shit around. We don't need a bunch of fundies that we give power to because "religion" because then we get George Bush trying to start shit in the middle east to try to kickstart Jesus coming back, which is as bad as what we have under the control of the left.
Yeah, he's a antagonist. You're supposed to defeat him. This is the kind of hyperbole I'm sick of. Who'd you expect to fight in hell? I mean when you have BAAL in a fashion magazine and stuff, I'd give it to you, that it's probably some sort of cabal thing but in a good vs. evil game that takes place in hell? I kind of expect to see Baal in play.
RE: Baal in play - yes, but it's not teaching anyone who Baal actually is. This very serious real life demon is used in a play setting as "just another bad guy". It's getting people desensitized to something that is very dangerous.
I hear what you're saying - that the hyperbole is annoying in discussions like this. But what in my message has struck you as hyperbole? Why?
Is it because you don't really believe in things like demonic forces? Spiritual warfare happening right here on earth around us?
Again - you're talking to someone who plays D&D regularly and someone who works professionally in the game industry.
I have statues of gargoyles and dragons and all sorts of things like that.
It's been in the last two years that I've started to take that stuff more seriously and question having it around.
It's not that the little plastic statue has any power - no, not at all. It's a dumb little plastic statue - a decoration.
But what is it adding to my life by having it around? Follow that question deeper and you may see where it leads.
Dancing on the edge of something you don't know how deep it goes is very dangerous.
If you know how deep it goes, it's still dangerous - but at least you're aware.
A lot of your language in your descriptions is around "Right" and "Left".
I would encourage you to realize that "Right" and "Left" are just a facade dichotomy that Satan uses to keep our eyes off of the real battle.
If you are playing on the field of "Right" vs "Left" in your mind, then you will not see the real battle lines - and that will not end well, friend.
Define:
Oppression = Time when someone calls “The Cabal” by name.
Now the terms “Christian fundamentalism” and “Christian tyranny” make more sense.
The problem with the way Cabal operates is, they take legitimate problems in the society (most of them put in there by themselves in the past), and then they get people all riled up and drive them to the other end of the pit, never letting anyone find a middle ground of balance on all sides.
First, religion is pushed to extremes by people who dont even understand what religion is about.
Then, they push the unhappy people to the other extreme in the name of progressivism.
For them it doesnt matter on which end we fall into the abyss, as long as we fall in it.
All they care is we dont talk about this.
Except that you're wrong. It was our checks and balances that kept us safe. You think it's "muh Christianity" because you have been told such. And you were told to look for all the markers to prove that it's human degeneracy that's to blame and that it's always inevitable. But not you. You're special. You've been chosen out of 6000 known religions and 8 billion people to follow the correct religion. No one else matters cause they are bound for hell. And you need to treat people like shit with scorn and contempt despite the fact Jesus says the opposite.
That was my experience with multiple churches until I realized, they are no different than the cabal. Was the church talking about human trafficking or pizzagate or Epstein? One church had the balls to actual call attention to human trafficking that's out of like 30 I attended across thousands of miles of United States. 1/30 actually brought attention to REAL evil, not their fantasy, outdated legend that doesn't serve to help people, but rather the same type of programming the cabal uses... but they are the good guys cause they told us.
Wrong. Programming and manipulating people is wrong and this is why a theocracy ISN'T realistic. It's also why we have the Constitution and NOT the Bible as the law of the land. If you actually read Jefferson and Maddison while a lot of them were men of conviction they also knew the importance of the right to choose and that is what a theocracy does: it spiritually rapes people.
The root problem is not immorality and a desire to sin, it's a desire to control. The church wants you hyper focused on other people's lives so you run out of steam and need to go to them to recharge. They want you dependent on them because they are an energy sucking business like all the rest. Jesus said "where two or more of my people gather, there I am also". That's it. That's church. Not the crap that Paul said which became law. Jesus is the authority and His authority is His alone. Nowhere does He give us authority over any other human. He doesn't want people forced into believe Him because He knows that is wrong. That is why we have the Constitution.
Yes, degenerates are gonna degenerate. As long as sin is allowed to thrive that will always be. But how exactly do you think the magical purification happens? Jesus comes back and we're magically restored? No. The only way to overcome sin is to rationalize it into oblivion. But at the same time, the well is tainted with what sin is. Your lifestyle might not be one to include "degenerate" things, but here's the best part: that's okay. As long as you choose for yourself because it's what you want that's all that matters. As long as you respect the rights of others to exist and have ideas and respect their consent, that's really all that matters. Most everything else people need to experience and decide for themselves. All we can do is pray, love them and share our experiences and reasons why our way of life is better. But even then, our way is also unique to each of us individually.
Just always remember no matter how impassioned you get that Jesus will decide everyone's fate on His time in His way. We only decide our own. And really... we want most everyone else to be saved. Not damned. Hell or oblivion is for the pedo elite. Most everyone else deserves a second chance even if they don't get it in this life. And do you really want to keep representing the kingdom as a place of judgement? When I shed my past insecurities and judgements, my depression and anxiety, a lot of which was built up by the churches, vanished. I have a very centered mind these days. I have my bad days, we all do, but looking back at the fundamentalist piece of trash I used to be, no. Never again. And I will never allow such a person to wield any real power because I know like my past self, they will abuse it.
Every form of tyranny. Means every form of tyranny even the ones we think we would agree with and be okay with.
Wow, I have never seen a comment to disconnected with the person you are talking to. It always helps to ask questions rather than just jump to conclusions and then argue with a phantom person.
I am not a Christian
I have been a life long atheist/agnostic until I found Q. I used to hate religions, Christianity especially, passionately until then.
I am slowly connecting dots starting from Q saying "this is biblical" to what Bible has to do with Q.
This lead me to finding my own spirituality, that has nothing to do with Bible or Christianity
I do believe our fight with the Cabal is a continuation from thousands of years ago and Bible is a historical record of the origin of our enslavement
I believe the old testament is a record of our enlsavement by malign alien beings and new testament is a record of a figure we call Jesus, who was a benign alien being. He exposed the Evil and helped codify certain rules that the generations could follow to ensure they do not get enslaved again. A big part of the enslavement is through financial control (hence "money changers") and destroying family and social cohesion.
The codification included "No usury" (hence they came up with central banks), and "morality" (to save family and social cohesion).
Catholicism was the usurping of these codifications by the Cabal to again take control of the masses.
9.Spirituality is separate from religion. Religion is the codification to protect society from the Evil, whereas Spirituality is the universal law that connects us to the universal consciousness (or universal vibration).
Actually no one told me the "muh Christianity" kept America safe. It was something I deduced myself based on my own journey as outlined above. As for "checks and balances" - yeah I have been told that many times, and I used to believe it just like you did as the only reason. The more I research, the more I come to the conclusion that Checks and Balances were inherently flawed and had been lost by the time of the civil war, and definitely by the time the Fed was established. However, they still had to work the people out of their codes (Morality) before fully exerting the control they had already taken wielded.
Just a tip - its very obvious that you have some very deep personal issue with Christianity, and thats fair enough - I can easily understand that. Trying to form your world view based on emotions is not the best way to do, if your true goal is to understand the Reality as it exists to the extent possible, rather than the reality as you hope and wish is true.
not being able to have casual sex is oppression?
being unable to view pornography is oppression?
id rather live in this "oppressed society" over this clown world where degeneracy runs rampant.
If you think about the government as a way to create a society that you'd personally like to live in, you're doing it wrong.
We should think about the government in terms of right and wrong. It's wrong to use violence (government) to prevent people from having sex and viewing pornography.
Stick with the NAP and you'll do fine.
There's a massive difference between restricting something (making it off limits) and making people behave in a particular way (compulsory behavior).
Also, the one who desires that which is restricted will ALWAYS view that restriction as oppression. The question then becomes, by what standard is a restriction validated?
We have by and large, two competing definitions of oppression today. (Sure, an over-simplification, but it's simply a frame to view the layout with.)
One, anything that prevents my (immoral, selfish, destructive) behavior is oppression.
Two, anything that prevents my (moral, equitable, constructive) behavior is oppression.
This is, however, ultimately a conflict between two value systems, and if one is right, accurate and good, the other is wrong, incorrect and evil.
But I think it's important to draw a distinction between legal (which is something created and enforced by the state) and lawful (which is something that upholds law, including the natural and common law), on one hand, and also between a legal and a moral (and lawful) imperative on the other.
A community defining what it sees as a moral imperative is not the same thing as a legal imperative.
The fact is, that living in a society, then one's behavior DOES impact on the rest of society. So, what is the imperative to "do not harm"? The justification for broad and indiscriminate acceptance of homosexual behavior has been that "what someone does in their own privacy doesn't affect others", but in reality, if the spiritual world exists, and we are more than merely material beings, it DOES affect others.
However, in a world of relative good and relative evil, it is NOT for the state to interfere in the choices of individuals, regardless of whether those choices are moral, lawful, or constructive or not. IMO.
"XVI That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore, all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.
Adopted unanimously June 12, 1776 Virginia Convention of Delegates drafted by Mr. George Mason"
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/virginia.asp
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp
indeed.
I think we're looking at two sides of the same coin; whether they're religious fundamentalists or woke . You mentioned it a few times, but I think what drives all of this is authoritarianism.
I know of two reasons why one would be authoritarian. One, they could genuinely be a tyrant. Two, much more likely, they could join with the tyrant because they feel empowered because in reality they are weak and this helps them feel better about themselves.
Start trying to recognize authoritarianism when you see it and call people out on it.
I'm an atheist and would love to blame the Christian Fundamentalists, but knowing what we know now about the secret societies, the global cabal, etc. could Christians have been used as a tool by these tyrants? (remember to think in terms of authoritarianism and the two reasons I just gave) Remember the "Satanic Panic" in the 80s and how the evangelical Christians responded to it? It made Satanism look harmless and the Christians look foolish. It seems to me that Christians were used, knowingly or unknowingly, to further the progress of Satan's worshipers. (I'm not saying Satan exists. I'm saying that the 'thought' of Satan exists and there are those in this world that worship Satan.)
https://qagg.news/?q=satan
I always enjoy reading your stuff.... especially ones like these where I know I'll be reading it multiple times :)
Yeah, religion is fine but the puritan shit always bugged me.
Wrong. It's not a response to anything. It's a calculated plan to destroy the western world. It's not a grassroots movement at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE
OP, let me give you an unironic "Amen".
When I go to churches, when I watch TV and when I go here and hear people and see people proclaiming America as "God's chosen land"... my stomach churns. When I read people posting the bull shit of "modern prophets" I feel ill.
Do right by god, do right by your fellow man. God isn't American, god is all of us.
OP, yours is one of the best posts I've seen in ages, I wish I could give it 1000 updoots.
This makes me think of a saying we used to hear when I was (much) younger: YOUR rights end where THE NEXT GUY's begin.
I see you and I love you, @Saltsky.
Keep fighting the good fight.
To all of the comments that are saying the theme... "Your Christian values are great, but keep them to yourself - don't try to create laws that reflect them."
I ask you this.
What religion should our laws reflect then?
You didn't read that wrong. Which religion do we use?
You see - even if you do not believe in the truth of the Bible, you follow a religion.
Even if you believe in no god at all - you follow a religion.
Everyone has a religion.
Which do we use when we create our laws?
Funny thing is - our Constitution/Founding Fathers set up the answer for us. Answer - the laws shall be a reflection of the people who decided them.
So - if you're in an area that has a certain religion - you're going to find laws that reflect that.
Now - I completely understand that not everyone in an area is going to like those laws. And I do not suggest that the church should be IN government.
But to suggest to Christians who want to follow the Bible - and whom do not want to have Laws that ENABLE lifestyles that are counter to the Bible...
To suggest we should just sit down, shut up - and follow what YOUR religion is... would be completely hypocritical to your own argument to begin with.
You don't want to be held to standards that are against YOUR beliefs.
So why do you advocate that others bend then knee to yours?
The early Christians did persecute the original pagans in Britain. Well even the word pagan is a religious word meaning savages. They were not savages they were simply non-Christians and not interested in Christianity until it was forced upon them, mostly by the Roman Invasion.
Throughout English history the Christians even tyrannised each other and there were endless Protestant v. Catholic conflicts.
If you give any religious group any kind of authority then eventually you end up with public beheadings because you wore the wrong headdress and insulted the gods.
kek. updoogle.
Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to ..... define everyone else according to our own definition.
(I am strongly sympathetic to, and (with caveats) in agreement with, what you say here.)
However, I would also like to suggest that the only real definitions that work are the ones that are mutually agreed upon.
A person who calls themselves a Christian doesn't really get to define what is and isn't a Christian except for himself and others who agree with him. Accordingly, there will, (kek, by definition) be others who call themselves Christian and who have a different definition than the other who says they aren't.
At that point, it becomes a fight for "orthodoxy", and that I would say is a fight that should ONLY be fought by the power of love, and not by the love of power.
In short, he who loves the most is the one whose definition is the most orthodox and authoritative. Which is also why God's definition is the one that counts, because God loves the most. Perhaps if one could love others MORE than God does, then maybe God would evan acquiesce and say, sure, your definition is the orthodox one.
Because above all things, God is true and God is love, and true (that is, unconditional, unselfish, principled and constructive) love is the most important authority in the universe.
They certainly are here in UK they have same stuff as other Christians (crosses etc.) Even today it's Christians v. Christians with AR-15s in Northern Ireland.
Dude.... Ad hominem.
Maybe they just disagree with you. Why do you assume they are upset?
As long as I'm able to freely share the good news I dont care what others "think". I know our good news changes hearts and the whole world will someday bow before his feet.
I pretty much agree with everything you have said. Would just like to point out that "God's law" (AKA "Universal Law") is above the Constitution, and the founders DID assume this when creating the document. It is the reason the Bill of Rights was added as an afterthought.
And for those who believe that Jesus equates to God...I say no. Jesus is the son of God. But what does the word son mean in the context of an infinite creator who is decidedly not human? God is a very personal thing to each of us. If you find comfort in the words of Jesus, that is fantastic. You have found your path. Others find God through the wisdom of Buddah, Mohammed, Krishna, or any of a hundred other spiritual leaders.
We all have our own personal feelings about this subject, and what makes our country great is that this dissensus is not only allowed, it is encouraged. BUT...that only works if we all defer to God's law. When you get a group, such as the globalists, who break God's law/Universal law/Natural law/etc. that is where things become untenable. And that is where we are today.
And yes, religious fundamentalism also breaks God's law. We all have the right to form our own relationship with God and not have it dictated to us by a group following specific religious dogma. If we are ever going to restore our country, we all need to learn this.
"God is a very personal thing to each of us. If you find comfort in the words of Jesus, that is fantastic. You have found your path. Others find God through the wisdom of Buddah, Mohammed, Krishna, or any of a hundred other spiritual leaders."
I am sorry, but that is not a Christian worldview. You may choose to believe that, but you cannot believe that and also claim to hold a truly Christian worldview.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” Galatians 2:21 NASB1995
Read that second one again. The apostle, Paul, was addressing the same pagan belief you claim above: the belief that you can get to God via other means, such as following the Law (10 Commandments, etc.). Paul says, if that is true, then Christ died for nothing.
Now, again, you may have your own thoughts, and that's fine. But they are not Christian thoughts. They are pagan.
As a Christian, I choose to trust God and the Bible more than I trust my own mind. To trust my own mind more than God and His word would be the sin of pride which made Lucifer fall. I would also be breaking a commandment: Have no other gods before me. If I choose to follow my mind and not God and His Holy Word, then I am - in my pride - saying that I am my own god, and that I am putting myself and my mind above God. I am choosing to "Do what thou wilt!" and ignoring God, His will, and His Law. That is Satanism.
I used to think more like you. It's terrifying looking back how easily one is led astray and how readily the sinful flesh seeks to rationalize sin and evil. Truly, as the apostle said, the Devil is the ruler of this world until Christ's return.
As long as you realize this is your personal view, and do not try and force the rest of us to accept that interpretation, then it is perfectly fine and well within the bounds of both this great country and God's law. A Christian fundamentalist would not allow anyone the choice to believe differently. That is the essence of the problem. Dissensus is a great things, and the reason why the human experience is so rewarding. It is the basis for growth of the spirit. Show us through your shining example why that is the correct belief, and allow others to follow you by choice.
Perhaps once you realise that telling Christians to leave you alone so that you are "free to choose" all while being ignorant of every subversive attack the enemy uses through society to pull you away thus leading you to think you are making a "free and informed choice", you may then appreciate the efforts Christians are doing purely give proper caution to the significant efforts underway to steal your soul from your very birth.
What is fundamentalism? Its getting back to the fundamentals of ones religion and I don't see anything wrong with that.
I imagine that most folk imagine it to be something put in place by a firebreathing hell-fire preacher who is highly intolerant of any and all sins, much like Savanarola in medieval Florence.
It isn't and is just another knee jerk word loaded with inbuilt preconceptions, there are a lot of those around.
No, I don't think this is a correct understanding of what 'fundamentalism' is in the context of religion.
I can understand one might WANT it to be that, and that the expression does lend itself to be subjectively interpreted to possibly mean that, but that's not how language works.
Expressions take on their own meaning that in many cases is NOT what is implied by the morphemes or components themselves.
A headcase is not a case in which to carry a head. A sophist was a teacher in ancient Greece, but today a sophist is someone who "deliberately argues using fallacious arguments or reasoning, in order to mislead"
There are certain characteristics that are often part of the denotation of "fundamentalism", including a certain level of rigidity, inability to recognize or acknowledge fallibility, often a tendency to literal interpretations of scripture, assertion that the superiority of the belief system justifies coercion, etc.
Whether you use fundamentalism to mean this or something that suits your own choice, from a language and linguistics viewpoint, that's what it means, because that is how it is widely used and understood by the language community as an entirety.
Just saying.
Of this, I remain fully in the conviction that this is so.
Btw, next day I whipped up a batch of kimchi jjiggae using the last of my recent kimchi batch (about 7 weeks I think, it lasted). Kept the Jjiggae running three days, by adding more kimchi, more broth and more tofu to the initial batch. 50% of our mob ate this while the others have been consuming the dwenjjang jjiggae - the fire of the kimchi jjiggae was not for such as they.
But yesterday, I kinda goofed. Leftover tteokbokki for lunch, kimchi jjiggae for dinner. Just a little too much fire in the hold!!! But boy, it was fun (delish).
Language community? Is that the community who preach for the acceptance of ambiguity in all areas of life, the ones that try to confuse us all with their overly educated arguments and spells? Why do we spell, why is it called spelling?
Language is not ambiguous at all, if it was then the Tower of Babel is being restored, by you and your community of confusion.
Just saying.
Woah, woah, nellie. Kinda heavy with the accusations and the aggressive tone there, ain't you?
I'm just saying, no, you are wrong, this is NOT what fundamentalism means to everyone else on the planet, who speaks English.
Why don't you just type fundamentalism or religious fundamentalism into any search engine and reference documents?
Fyi, the language community is the community of human beings who share a language, as in English.
You can pretend or believe that the expression "fundamentalism" means what you want it to mean, but that doesn't make it true. It's much more than "getting back to the fundamentals of one's religion".
Disagree if you want, but I suggest you pull back on attacking others.
Thank you for the sentiments and you raise many valid criticisms, especially on how Christianity is practiced. There remain difficult issues in our hierarchy of American governments regarding where to draw legal lines on difficult issues like abortion and what is taught in public schools. All such decisions and laws ultimately rely on some form of moral code. But from where does that code arise?
The Myth of Religious Neutrality by Roy Clouser makes the convincing case that everyone is religious in some sense, even atheists. That is, everyone considers something to be divine, e.g. for many who reject Christianity it becomes the cosmos or some kind of mysticism. We have evidence that many of the elite cabal actually worship Satan.
While a fundamental principle of American jurisprudence is freedom of religion, we still must enact and enforce laws locally and federally that ultimately decide what kind of nation we are and will become. Remember Biden and Harris' campaign slogan: "Battle for the Soul of America". My vote is that we, with the love and grace you recommend, continue to rely on traditional Christian moral values and curtail progressives who wish to banish them from the public square.
Amen, brother.
Stop trying to control people... Mind the log in YOUR eye. I will mind mine.👌🐸❤🇺🇸😁
FYI, the verses don't mean to ignore other's sins entirely, but to address yourself so you can better help others.
From Matthew 7:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Yes, I just thought that was a fabulous offhand comment to summarize👌
Thank you.
Ima gonna go out on a limb and say, I think I know who it was. On account of having received such enlightened musings myself from someone here.
sheeesh.
"Live YOUR life to YOUR standards."
There's a lot of well meaning sentiment in your post.
But, ask yourself this.
What are YOUR standards?
I've spoken to people from other cultures that are US citizens - in their minds, the only reason they don't shoot people is because the LAW prevents them.
Their self standards don't stop them.
So - follow that through.
What happens if we have enough people in this country who have those sorts of Standards?
Do we legalize shooting people?
No? Why not? It's what the people decided in that case.
You're the minority?
According to your argument, who cares about your minority set of Standards!
According to your argument, we who believe that shooting someone else is morally wrong, because the Bible tells us so - should just sit back and shut up, right?
After all - we wouldn't want to force the Bible's standards on anyone, would we?
The Bible is FULL of politics. The Bible is FULL of stories that show that GOD DESTROYS NATIONS WHO ABANDON HIM.
Do you hear that?? DESTROYS NATIONS WHO ABANDON HIM.
How can speak on the virtues of the Bible and not recognize that teaching in the Bible?
We are given the Responsibility to participate in our resources. Our Nation is part of OUR resources.
If as a Christian, we are not also then advocating for taking care of That resource in a way that is in line with the teachings of the Bible - then what ARE we advocating for?
It's not the Bible - it's something of the world.
As I've said before - the Church should not be IN the Government. The Church however is supposed to be the moral compass of the People, whom which creates the Government.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
Cant we still rise up in Christ without forcing it upon people. God gave each of us free will. Who are we to take that away. I think the point is we shouldnt demand they change rather we let love conquer all. We can share the good news but we dont save. Only jesus does. I think that's the heart of his message although he maybe could have worded it better
I hear what you're saying - but I ask you this.
Where do we draw the line of moral values to put into law?
Who decides where that line is?
Someone decides that line.
Every law has a moral value behind it.
Since we decide which moral values are made into Laws, by whom we vote for (in theory, lol)...
Then it is up to the majority of the people to determine the moral values that are made into laws.
For example - do you know it's been voted on in the 2022 election in California that it will be LEGAL to kill a baby on the day it's born?
How do you feel about that?
Should we, as Christians, not get in the way of that law?
Where do you draw the line? We're the ones who decide on where the line is.
Where do we draw it?
God shows us where - and leaves it up to Us to decide on if we will do it or not.
That is the reoccurring theme throughout the Bible.
To fight off sickness you need a strong body and a sound mind. I think Christian's need to focus on the getting ride of the darkness from the body of Christ first. Then these fights will become clear and Christ will lead. Yes absolutely vote against these things but let's not make it our lives mission or say we have moral ground to di this this and this. If we learn to truly reflect Christz light then we can then light up the world. However not until we learn to carry that light within as an individual person and collective body of Christ. It's like we are carrying this moral high ground while at the same time living in darkness. So my thought is first we focus on Christian's. Find out how to bring larger portions to one mind in the love and light of Christ
I hear what you're saying - but why can't it be both?
I agree with what you're saying - that we as the Church have a lot we need to get right ourselves.
But what I disagree with - and correct me if I'm wrong - is what seems to be the message here that we should not get involved with voting in line with the Bible until we as a Church are good and clear?
Am I missing something?
I think you would agree that we as Christians will never be perfect - that's the whole point of why we need Jesus to begin with, lol...
So when do we decide we're clean enough to get involved in voting for and proposing laws that reflect what the Bible tells us we should be doing?
I specifically said go ahead and vote. Voting is important. However laws dont prevent evil. Only forces it to act in a more sly manner. God gave us 1 law in the garden. Dont eat from there. Yet we still fell. The solution is to bring people back to Christ. To remove 0ur own planks so we can then help others. Get our own houses in order. Anything else is a band aid
"laws dont prevent evil"
Absolutely agree! But - even though it's just a band aid - and even though it may be the minority - we still have to try for such things.
"The solution is to bring people back to Christ"
Absolutely! Consider this. If we are all predisposed to sin - should we not do things that make it more difficult for us to do so?
We would say we shouldn't put alcohol in front of the alcoholic trying to recover.
Should we also then attempt to not put stumbling blocks in front of our fellow humans that make it easy to slip into un Biblical lifestyles?
I know the choice is with the individual in the end - like you said, "laws dont prevent evil. Only forces it to act in a more sly manner."
Just like the alcoholic could go out when you're asleep and get a drink.
But if we just put the bottle in front of the alcoholic - could we say we care about them?
Point is - I agree with you. The battle is not on one side of the fence or the other - and it does start on one side of the fence for sure. But it's our responsibility to be caretakers for the other.
I appreciate the conversation.
I re-read what you said - and I do agree with you that this nation will never turn around if the body of Christ does not take care of the apostasy that has taken hold over it.
I'm sorry I'm probably worded things really horrible
All good!
I strongly disagree. I am about as far as one can get from being a Christian fundamentalist, and having done some serious analysis, i have my own thoughts of the why and how 'fundamentalism' - broadly seen - comes about and the impacts on certain levels. So, I'm not attempting to defend religious fundamentalism (although your post would be improved to include or have a clear definition of what you mean by Christian or Religious Fundamentalism).
However, attributing the 'woke shit' to being a response to the Christian Right is comparable to saying the Russian Revolution was a response to the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy, which is, of course the Lie that Marxism presents.
It's also close to saying Lucifer's actions were a response to God's behavior. It seeks to find cause in (and in doing so a justification against) THIS in order to justify THAT.
And that is the satanic lie.
The wokism may have gained traction or been facilitated by the short-comings and mistakes of Christian cultural sphere, but the CAUSE of the wokism is - in the immediate level - Critical Theory, Cultural Marxism and the Infiltration of the Frankfurt School. It is a poison that as and was always inspired by Satanic forces, to undermine the foundation the Creator has sought to built via Christianity.
In seeking to assign cause to the Christian Right, you are, either wittingly or unwittingly, offering what is I would say a fundamentally destructive approach. What seems fairly obvious, I think, is that in criticising the behavior, beliefs and actions of others, you are in part manifesting the very behavior you rail against.
Using the faults and mistakes of others to justify ...... If this isn't what the so-called fundamentalists are doing, then what is it?
Not to indulge in any ad-hominem, I would says there are fairly reasonable grounds for saying you are embodying in some manner the very thing you are 'railing against', albeit simply a different flavor, and under a different banner.
Such railing can often be a tell-tale sign, that in fact, the reaction is reflection of what actually lies underneath. Any analysis at this point is likely to be unwelcome, but it is hard NOT to detect a sense of anger, resentment and unprocessed negative feeling in your expressions of your views in this and similar topics.
In addition, I would say that your post is aggressive, it attacks a large segment of our community, and smacks NOT of sowing unity and understanding, but of sowing resentment, anger and those other negative emotions I alluded to.
Why would we need shills to undermine our board and community when actual members of the community seem willing to play the divisive role, because they think they have a cause that deserves it?
Excellent analysis. Have my upTrump!
Fundamentalism looks different for each religion.
Muslim fundamentalism - kills Christians
Jewish fundamentalism - implements communism and … kills Christians
Christian fundamentalism - allows Christians to live, preserves religion and allows the other religions to cherish too.
Unfortunately Christian fundamentalism isn’t enough to save the world now.
What’s needed now to save the world is something that MSM would probably call a “Christian tyranny”, which means 2 things:
Jewish fundamentalism - implements communism and kills Christians...
I want to learn more about that information. Any direction you could point me towards? These are things I didn't know about and I'm curious to understand them.
Thanks!
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Thank you! Will be an interesting dig.
I know this is a discussion about Christianity's role in our laws, but I'm curious about this connection to...
With all the communism stuff going on - seeing the statement that Israel is connected to that caught my digger's attention...
Well written, and very hard to disagree with.
You can see a little bit of what you are talking about here on GAW. Some hyper-religious freaks got all bent out of shape that the title of a post "took God's name in vain". Seriously. I thought I showed admirable restraint when I did not go on a flaming rant telling them to fuck the hell off.
Very simply, religious tyrants try to FORCE everyone to believe exactly the same things, exactly the same way that they do. I am a "small L" libertarian, so any efforts to force me to do things I don't want to do has me starting to reach for an ammo box.
I myself am religious (Christian) in a general way, but I am not a fan of any organized religion (all of which end up being about accumulating power and money for the people running them). I think religion is a more personal and private matter, best kept to oneself.
I think it would be great if more people on GAW kept their religion to themselves, as well.
Your words mean NOTHING. Only actions matter. You want to fight against immorality, you do it by your actions, showing how leading a moral life produces vastly superior results. You lead by example, not by talking a good game. Prove it.
No ones more judgmental than the Christians going to church every Sunday and ignoring what's going on today and doing nothing. Pastors riding the fence by carefully curating their sermons to tickle ears. Literally telling people to ignore the world. Now that the Cabal thinks victory is in sight, they turn ageist the pastors they used to pacify. These people seem to be welcoming the Anti-Christ thinking they will be raptured out. I'm sure God expects us to put up a fight.
The Pharisees are everywhere as Jesus said they would be. That's why many quit going to the churches, you can study the Bible with your family and get the message God has for you. People tend to pick and chose in the Churches. I like to use a random book and chapter tool unless I have a topic I want to study specifically.
Babylon is fallen, fallen
One of the coolest verses in the Bible :)
"I have also taken the Jefferson Oath in recent years: "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny upon the mind of man." "
Not sure but I think even the "Jefferson" bible may contain these words of Jesus. I don't know whether quoting Scripture makes me a fundamentalist or not but I seem to remember from our past interactions that the gospels are the only parts of the Word you choose to believe are genuine. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
33 "Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.' 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. 36 Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil. (Matthew 5:33-37, NASB)
"This woke shit in all actuality is a response to when the Christian Right had influence in this country."
I disagree with that, woke-ism is a 100 year old shambling puppet of an ideology where all it's roots can be found from Weimar Germany. It's only coincidental that it usurped and subverted the liberal movements in the late 00's for the ends of those who seek to destroy this country.
It's super easy frens. Government (force) should only be used to mitigate the use of force in society.
It's called the NAP.
If you use force on someone, force may be used on you. To use force otherwise is to be a tyrant.
the woke shit is pure marxism. I guess you can say marxism would violently reject any religion that gets in their way. They will get to your religion next. I'm not a fundamentalist, but I will say they were/are right. It's time to push all freaks back into the closet.
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Fundamentalists are left brain only..they take words with their literal meaning or how they have been mistranslated.
People with ears to hear and eyes to see use their third eye and their inner voice.
Right brain does not use or understand words..it operates through symbols..music art anything creative..it is where intuition telepathy inner guidance comes from..you hear the inner voice
When Yeshua talked about the rich man not entering the kingdom of heaven he meant full of ego ..self importance dominance and all ego stuff.
Give up all your possessions and follow me does not mean get rid of them but they don't matter..you don't judge people by what they have..a bi house a big car is meaningless but people can use them as a crutch for their ego. So you need to read things differently.
Also go into your closet to pray...a quiet place in your home..free from others.. The pineal gland your third eye is your connection to the divine..outside this world. You can call it your conscience...
In the gospel of Peter kept out of the bible along with 73 other books and gospels St Peter ...on whom the church was supposed to be built ..said Yeshua didn't die on the cross..he was only up there four hours and was taken down as had to be for Passover.
Ask yourself why this gospel and the gospel of Thomas..talking about if your i be single your body shall be full of light....your third eye ..the pineal gland ..on the popes staff and all over the Vatican and ancient artifacts.
You cannot talk to fundamentalists...they simply cannot hear you.
Wrong. The founders gave us a Christian nation. Period.
Show me anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, or the Constitution where it has "Jesus" or "Christ". (anything similar to that)
The Declaration of Independence does speak to "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". That's it. This sounds far more deistic than Christian, Muslim, etc.
The truth is that many came to this "new world" to escape from religious persecution. The last thing the Founding Fathers wanted was another theocracy.
That was certainly true at the founding aka the initial colonizers.
However, the Declaration of Independence AND the Constitution have a historical, cultural, religious and spiritual context. That context, although unstated, is very real.
For example, ask ANY of the Founding Fathers what THEY understand "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to mean, and I think you would find in 9.5 cases out of 10, it is a Christian understanding. In fact, in their time, such understanding was so pervasively accepted that they even stated "these truths we hold to be self evident". The founders thought that the underlying ethos and value system they held so dear was so profoundly self-evident, that it did not NEED overt clarification.
The God they referred to is invariably what they understood to be the God of Christ, and not any other. To see thing otherwise is to take modern cultural context and attempt to project it back on them. Inappropriately.
No they certainly did NOT wish to create a theocracy, but that is also because they believed that the principles they sought to elevate as the founding principles of the nation (as rooted in the common law) were self-evident, and clear for all. It would, I expect, horrify and stupify them to consider what has happened to US culture in the 20th century, and how a people could fall so far from their roots.
~ John Adams