Uncle's history: Masters degree in molecular biology, Air Force officer retired, says he knows thousands of doctors, vaxx is safe and effective, Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world. Says I have lost my mind and I insulted his intelligence.
My sister and I came from four states away to visit and I'm sitting up in our guest room crying with my heart pounding.
I tried to respond by listing names like Dr. McCullough, Dr. Zelenko, Dr. Madej, Dr. Cole, Dr. Ardis, Dr. Martin. He cut me off ...
I tried to explain about the bioweapons lab in Ukraine, the Pentagon's involvement.... He cut me off..."propaganda" he yelled.
My sister came down the stairs...lost her husband to vaxx an he started in on her vaxx is safe... Polio eradicated, shingles, pneumonia vaxxed all that crap.... I asked him to stop please. She's now upset. She and I wonder if we should just head back home.
Now here he comes upstairs... Yikes... Normally I red-pill and then just suggest andweknow.com.... but he is not a man of faith whatsoever.
I am at a loss.... Begging begging please dear God please reveal this NOW. I cannot handle much more of this ostracizing.
What do I tell him? I mentioned VAERS and I mentioned Ron Johnson's hearing with the DoD whistleblowers and ....
I am sobbing...
Time to go, in my opinion. Fully brainwashed. In parting, I would tell him that mRNA are GENE THERAPY, NOT vaxxines.
I second that statement. If he is making you and your sister mad, it is best to just leave.
I saw this on line and thought what a perfect I told you so without saying I told you so.
When the truth comes out don't ask me how I knew. Ask yourself why you didn't.
Experimental gene therapy.
Thank you
Let's pray for the damned.
Their minds have been hijacked by demons -- I'm serious.
It's also possible some of their brains are affected. Maybe spikes in your amygdala makes it hard to control your emotions.
And didn't some of those videos show self-assembling circuitry?
Try listening to exorcism chants -- like this one:
8 HOURS BENEDICTIAN EXORCISM PRAYER - Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux https://youtu.be/TXxcaXfnoXE
Pray that they be liberated from the spell, the black magic, that holds their brains hostage.
Imagine the circuits exploding and turning neutral, breaking down and being flushed away, never to harm anyone ever again.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen.
If you can only argue certain obvious 'talking points' then either you're an idiot who doesn't fully understand this movement and shouldn't be a part of it, this is a made up story, or you're a shill.
"in our guest room crying with my heart pounding." You sound weak, bro. I don't think GAW is the place for you. Maybe go find a safe place.
Crying for oneself because of a disagreement is certainly weak. Crying for souls lost to Satan is understandable.
This post does seem kind of suspicious... Flip the scenario where the uncle is a patriot standing his ground and it is the sheep crying and arguing with the "talking points" and we have a more familiar situation.
This post kind of reeks IMO.
100% agree
😂😂😂 you're still so sensitive. Like I said, you aren't built like the rest of us. You don't sound emotionally mature enough for what's to come. I would leave this movement because you don't have what it takes to make it.
You're weak and your response to mild criticism shows it.
I hope you're a 12 or 13 year-old kid because if not you're going to have a really hard time making it in the real world.
It's a shame to see the snowflakes slowly making their way to GAW.
Okay, well that was last week. This week has been better. What troubles me is that if I am weak, instead o telling me I won't make it how about tell me what is coming so that I can strengthen my core? I went through desert storm, I could handle death and stench. My leaders prepared me. Why isn't there a way for leaders here to do that for me? I have a strong stomach I can handle guts an gore. But being berated by an asshole is what broke me down ... temporarily. I realized that my post asked my Frens too much. Some saw what I needed, some just balked at my sadness for my lost uncle and so e called me names. If that's what this past week needed....then I am better for it because I am still here. No I'm not 12 years old. I am 60. I just showed too much compassion in my post .
Well excuse me ... Crying is what happens when I am hurting for others.
You were not here when I needed you, why pop in now with your IMO bs. No need to take dives where you're a day late...the frog pond is dry. Go f yourself
Take it easy. We are at war and we need to be very cautious around what is a real post and what is fake. I stand by my observation, especially when it comes to losing someone in what ever manner.
We can't win everyone over with common sense and it is sad and frustrating, but we need to keep our emotional powder dry.
If your uncle will not listen to reason then brush it off and move on. Keep educating yourself and others.
Merry Christmas.
Thanks
I'm not a bro. I came here for the support of my Frens I got that support when I needed it. So thanks but sorry for your wasted keystrokes. Shill? I wouldn't waste my time. I defended our freedom, what's wrong with a few tears for the lost? I'm a female we cry
That won't work either. I have tried many, many times. Always worth a shot, but man this is some deep brainwashing.
Ask him what the hell he thinks is killing off so many young people? Make him prove it.
Then just pack your bags and leave.
We did leave. It was a hard 10 minutes until I uber got there. We are safe in a hotel. Thank you for your input yesterday.
Hope you can have a more peaceful Christmas; glad you got out of that situation. God bless you
Before getting someone to change their mind. I would have asked, "What sort of evidence are you looking for?"
Make them tell you what is evidence that there is something wrong.
If they cannot answer that question. I would just respond. Thanks for letting me know that you aren't looking for the truth.
Very wise...I was unable to breathe let alone think
Just make the other person define what evidence is.
That's the problem we are facing.
When someone says "There is no evidence". We must make them state "What is evidence".
If they cannot define what evidence is. We musk ask them.
How can you dismiss something when you can't clearly define what you are looking for as truth.
They have been brainwashed into “credible news sources” - like my friend is convinced Putin is wanting to drop a nuclear bomb, on who? Is this what they are telling people?
We need to ask.
What makes them so credible?
He's a bully. He wouldn't even allow you to speak. If it were me, I would leave. I'm not telling you to do that, but if you are so upset you can't even deal with him, then it might be best.
The Biolabs were CONFIRMED by Victoria Nuland, who was in Obama's admin as an undersecretary of State, and is also in Biden's admin. She hops around. She confirmed the biolabs. (Notice how carefully she chooses her words.)
https://greatawakening.win/p/142B5csyMZ/we-went-from-russian-military-an/c/
She also foreshadowed that the Nord Stream pipeline would be sabotaged.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JnG5c0YT/if-russia-invades-ukraine-one-wa/c/
You could put her name into the search box for more. There are quite a number of threads here on her.
As for the vaxx, there is so much available info about it, it's staggering. And you mentioned some of the best sources. But he doesn't want to know. Eventually he may, but it seems like he doesn't yet. Perhaps just take a deep breath and make an exit plan. You and your sister do not need the psychological abuse. And that is what it is. Best of luck.
He is a 4-6 percenter. There is no hope but to take the high road with some people.
^^^ CORRECT ^^^
Let it go. You will never change his mind. Some will always be lost
Anytime you engage people in the red pilling you must know your source material hard and heavy. Names, positions, times, dates. Anytime I run into this opposition it’s a fact based tsunami.
Study hard anon. My own father thought I was an idiot for the longest time. He’s since apologized seeing all this first hand he’s realized I was right about everything.
Where did he finally see it coming out? How did he wake up.?
Libya with Muammar Gaddafi. I told him all about it. Wrote me off. Then the evidence came out of what I said.
Bless you for trying but he sounds like the ultimate narcissist who is never wrong, regardless of what you are able to prove. And even if you did at this point he won't back down for his pride. Are there other family thereyou don't want to miss seeing? Is it possible to stay in a separate room from him at all times, even meals? He sounds like the type that will keep pushing his point. I personally can't stand confrontation and would probably leave, but it seems a shame for you to miss the holidays because of one overly loud and pushy blow horn. Good luck!
It's a gorgeous home way up on a hill overlooking San Antonio . Very cold weather... But ... We're just taking it minute by minute
I understand why you are so upset, but it's Christmas. Did you go visit him to talk about all this, or because of the holiday? And he is getting on in years? Drop all those subjects. Talk about family or hobbies or the meaning of Christmas or anything else. That's assuming he will let you drop it.
No did not come to discuss... I figured he would be awake precisely because of his background. We came because he is the last on my mother's side that we have left. My sister was very depressed and I brought her to New Orleans on the way here to Texas to get a change of scenery
I think he isn't precisely because of his background. You are threatening all he prides himself on, contradicting all the stands he ever took. Maybe you need to consider your sister's distress.
Well now you know, so move on if he'll let you. It sucks to find out he's seemingly a lost cause, but in a way, you are lucky to be able to visit family at all for Christmas.
I'm not very nice when I'm mad. If you leave have a list of articles and videos that shows proof. On the way out I would spam the crap out his phone with tons of info. He will either see it and see that you left out of anger and try and be reasonable or he's gone so don't waste your effort or emotions on him.
Go home - it's not going to get any better.
I'm afraid you're right
I went through something similar lately. A close relative uncharacteristically lost his mind claiming I was arrogant and that he could rip apart my conspiracy theories if he needed to.
At one point was talking about the WEF and he was like 'Whats that?'
So I told him for the umpteenth time about Klaus Schwab and he's like 'Who's that?'...
So he didn't really know the topic but was adamant that the WEF is not colluding with governments around the world.
I basically told him that because he wasn't well read on this particular topic that his argument didn't hold much weight if any at all.
Holy crap he lost his mind and we were 5000 kms apart.
He probably got in a bit of trouble from his wife after that because the next morning he sent me a text asking me to send him some stuff and he would review it.
So I sent him the following
"I just ordered you Klaus Schwab's books. COVID 19 and The Great Reset and The Great Narrative
Here is an article on the origins of the great reset idea authored by a Princeton professor
http://www.williamengdahl.com/gr22October2022.php
This is the WEFs non invasive sounding carbon plan
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/09/my-carbon-an-approach-for-inclusive-and-sustainable-cities/
If you notice the mention smart communities...what are they?
Think of China's surveillance state
This is a breakdown of what the WEF Young Global Leaders program is about
https://www.globalresearch.ca/world-economic-forum-young-global-leaders-revealed/5769766
Build Back Better. Joe Bidens campaign used this slogan in 2020 and since except he didn't coin the phrase. It was coined as part of the great reset
...let's see how many other world leaders parrot this tag line...starting with the WEF and king Charles
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/to-build-back-better-we-must-reinvent-capitalism-heres-how
https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/z5kcqh/wef_king_charles_iii_unless_we_take_the_action/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/
https://thepostmillennial.com/trudeau-says-canada-needs-to-build-back-better-in-new-year
https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulletin/14-04-2022/build-back-better
https://catholicanada.com/2020/12/pope-takes-up-bidens-campaign-slogan-tweets-society-must-build-back-better/
And of course the entire EU
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/building-back-better-equitable-and-sustainable-world_en
Here is a take on who Christina Freeland and her roots.
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/27/chrystia-freeland-family-record-na
https://www.weforum.org/people/chrystia-freeland "
I havent heard back from him on the subject as he is 'really busy' but he promises to look at it eventually.
Hope something here helps.
I also sent him a ebook
https://cognitive-liberty.online/dr-john-coleman-the-committee-of-300
All the best from Canada
On a related note I think the prion thing from vaxxes could be real.
Holy Shit Anon. Nice work.
Pretty sure we all know extremely intelligent people who have fallen for the Covid con. Honestly, I don’t think they will listen when it’s coming from family members. He’s going to have to hear it from someone/somewhere else. You did try and with the best of intentions at heart.
I agree, and think that's why Q has taken so long; to get US to accept how little these people care about us and a decent way of life. they're too egotistical.
The most intelligent ones can suffer from the sin of Pride. They believe they are superior and smarter than everyone around them. The only real way to get through to them is for them to "discover" it for themselves. You can only provide them breadcrumbs of links to information and suggest they look into the information for themselves. Tell them that they can be the one genius in the world that can debunk all the conspiracy theorists. Then send them links to all the doctors and scientists that have actually investigated and performed experiments. Send them links of all the slip-ups and admissions on video that have been made by the globalists and the puppets. The above link by Phayte is an ideal start.
I am not one for arguing but if I were I'd try the route of what stake his doctors have in pharma companies. Sorry you are facing this.... he is a loser.
Yea, we hadn't seen him or our aunt in a decade. He is a "know-it-all" on all subjects and doesn't allow for equal dialogue at the table. I see things I never thought about before
Until he is ready to question things he will not change his mind. Once you are ready to question you are then at the Threshold To Reality
I agree with this, people I think generally have a hard time accepting new information until some action proves them wrong.
My dad was very much like this at first, but because I focus a lot of my time learning nutrition and fitness as a fun hobby. He has started asking questions he probably would wait to ask his DR on.
He Once example had periods where we couldn't sleep and I just sent him stuff on Vit D. Sunlight, and even NAC and now he can sleep again.
I find one area that is usually pretty easy to red-pill people is the food industry unless they are vegan or something already. Once you send people down that rabbit you start to ask a lot more questions. I know I did and that was my first red pill into corruption.
Ask him what he knows about the Nuremburg Code. It sounds like he is a believer that everyone should be forced to be vaxxed or shunned from society. My body my choice out the window?
My wife asks me why i believe the facts on TGA. My answer is, many months of watching and reading from hundreds of DIFFERENT sources and comparing this to the repeating tripe from MSM/fauci lies and applying Common Sense. I am not a lawyer or a PHD and i could crush the lies/crimes of fauci/pharma/CDC/AMA/FDA with nothing but the info on TGA.
Tell him to go on 3 mile run. That might change his mind.
You made me smile ... thank you.
My parents are double vaxxed and triple boosted. My grandpa was a doctor and my mom finished pre-med before changing majors and thinks she is a doctor. She is a bonafide know-it-all. She would not hear, listen or look at any of the data I tried to sent her. We (wife and I) haven't seen them in 3 years because we are not vaxxed. They just spent 20k on a cruise (all vaxxed) and guess what they brought back? COVID! My dad recovered pretty quickly, but my mom's been sick for 3 weeks now. I have no sympathy for them.
PS - I like making people smile. My dog does too.
Follow up - Just got word from my vaxxed-boosted mom she has DVT (deep vein thrombosis) in her femoral artery. Now having to give herself 2X/daily injections of heparin and may have to undergo a clotectomy. She won't listen to reason. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The vax junkies are winning their prizes.
So sorry.. my sister is having a lot of pain in her legs. According to HowBadIsMyBatch she is 3 for 3 on the bad side.
I was thinking DVT also.
Some things are better left unsaid, let it go and have a merry christmas with your family and friends. It hurts , but you cant save everyone, even ones you love!
Duck him. Pack up and get the fuck out of that spike protein infested house. And stop crying
He has been brainwashed. I'm a veteran, I only done 4 years, but my father was a lifer. He believes the govt is correct and intelligent beyond comprehension. Military people do what they are told , no free thinking there. They are conditioned that way.
You won’t ever change anyone’s mind directly, just as no one can change yours directly. Everyone has to come to their own conclusions.
Just be an example of positive, happy, healthy living, and pity and pray for those who prefer living in such darkness.
That’s the most anyone can do — be a conduit for Light, and have faith that God will provide them the opportunities to learn the things they need to learn in this life, as He does for you.
Ask him has it been approved?? The TRIALS are NOT completed, so no, it’s not approved. The very same mentality is sitting at the Pentagon planning the next war. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and perhaps the world. Ask your uncle just where the GRAIN - allocated for Africa and other struggling nations has gone? Even this year. Tell him EUROPE. In fact, Putin stepped in with Turkey to block the transport of grain after PUTIN cleared out the Mines from the AZOV/Black Sea set by Ukraine to enable the grain ships to sail to Africa etc. ignore your uncle - he’s on the wrong side of history. He lives in the past along with those that glorify war. Chin up. Go and have a hot cocoa and smile. It’s just not worth getting upset. Very soon they will be given a reality shock and many like him probably won’t survive it. God Bless and hold those that matter most to you close. Ignore all others.
I’m in Australia. Around a week ago, Dr Kerryn Phelps - the FIRST women to hold top place in Australia’s Medical Association- bit like your CDC - a huge advocate of the VAX came out and dropped a bombshell.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/ask-ahpra-dr-kerryn-phelps-doesnt-know-why-regulator-silenced-doctors-on-vaccine-injuries/news-story/a731a655120649f913c8170bfbf1bb96
Thank you
Your most welcome. I’ve just thought of an article which appeared in all our major media a few days ago. She’s now experiencing ‘shutout’ or ‘shutdown’ for her stand. The left will eat their own if they don’t follow the leader. Look at Elon.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/ask-ahpra-dr-kerryn-phelps-doesnt-know-why-regulator-silenced-doctors-on-vaccine-injuries/news-story/a731a655120649f913c8170bfbf1bb96
How bad is my batch,is a very good site,woke up my brother.
I have siblings like this. I just ask them if we can agree to disagree and not let it get personal. I see then as people who just don't have a soul and just can't feel the connection to God and everything like we can. And there is a couple I just can't talk to anymore because they become abusive. Sad!
Leave it be. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink. He sounds a bit arrogant. And arrogant people are blind to their own ignorance. He does not know thousands of doctors, maybe on or two. And they only know what they have been TOLD or Taught
We have to face up to the fact that what is blindingly obvious to us is darkness to others. Their "facts" are what we call propaganda and vice versa. if we can't talk, we can't learn or persuade.
People have the right to be wrong. However, with that right comes the responsibility to face consequences. It is not my obligation to subsidize or mitigate the consequences of someone else's poor choices. Just let him wallow in his self-righteousness.
Txt him a picture of Michael wearing the green dress and the bulge in front. It won’t change his mind but will be a load of fun to watch his face.
My father was just like yours and I had to come to grips that my relationship with him was never going to be what I wanted. I just treated him with dignity and respect as he got older but it was always a gray area in my life.
this comes to my mind when people are having these troubles.
Matthew Chapter 13
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
SauceFag Here.
Cite valid sources. Let Truth stand up to scrutiny (or not).
Like... http://www.dtra.mil/Home/Special-Reports/Article/3022199/the-46-us-labs-in-ukraine-and-the-200-pentagon-program-that-sparked-a-propagand/
If you give information and it is rejected, move on. Don’t cast your pearls before swine.
I’m so sorry fren. It is hard to consider that those we love may be among those lost forever. You can not force someone to see the light. It literally is conversion. It will happen in their time. What gets me through these times is recognizing that everyday new atrocities arise that are waking more up. Have faith and pray. Focus you energy where it needs be and be not distracted by the adversary. I feel comfortable saying that your uncle’s awakening will come soon, however I am uncomfortable saying I do not think it will be a positive experience for him. Be there, I told you so’s will not be necessary. He will be awakened though. You’re in my heart pede. I will pray for you. I am alone in my family. I risk losing my family altogether all the time. I will gladly for the cause. I admire you patriot. Stand strong. Proud of your respect for you uncle and his service. Thanks for sharing your experience. I think we need to air these things sometimes. Glad you are comfortable doing so here. Merry Christmas pede!
Thank you for your encouragement
Go home. Christmas on the road would be better.
This may be the last time you get to spend time with him. Do not let your pride stand in the way. Agree to dis agree and drop the conversation. enjoy your time with family.
He sounds like a narcissist - he's probably unreachable because his pride and his ego are so large and so fragile he can't acknowledge to himself or others that he may have been fooled or that he may be wrong.
He sounds like a smart man but smart doesn’t always mean common sense
Air Force during viet nam,,, shouldn't he see all the BS easier???
No. He's too old. If he's hollering and carrying on, he might have some early dementia. Old people are especially vulnerable to the tell a vision programming. Source: my parents
Almost afraid to ask, but does he know about The Gulf of Tonkin?
Could be a horribly bad 'trigger' for a Vietnam vet, though. I don't know, I wish I knew the perfect thing to tell you!
If you decide to stay for your Aunt, & if things seem smooth(er) tomorrow, I probably wouldn't bring it up.
BUT if he does, it's up to you. If he sasses more about 'conspiracy theories' or after Christmas as you're saying your goodbyes, you might say; "What I've been talking about could be as much of a 'conspiracy theory' as The Gulf of Tonkin incident."
https://allthatsinteresting.com/gulf-of-tonkin
Whatever happens, you know you've got 'Family' right here 💗
They didnt have RNA when he likely worked.
Unc has a Masters in indoctrination. He is obviously part of the problem.
Leave now knowing someday he'll pretend he doesn't recall your conversation.
The burden we all carry.
Hold your head high, make up some lame excuse, smile, and bail
I'd say "let's agree to disagree. I love you and if best we can leave or try to move on not discussing anything you don't want to have an open and rational debate on. and regardless of what we believe, can we agree that IF certain people are exposed for having been pedophiles or otherwise harming children knowingly, regardless of whether they are Democrat, Republican, black, white, a celebrity, etc, that we will equally condemn these sickos?"
and you should tailor any conversations to matters he's interested in and can lead his mind in proper direction....Vietnam? ask him if he is aware of government corruption now or at points in time. JFK assassination? Epstein?