More died after 9/11 from cancers and other disease than in the initial event though. Never forget first responders who took those risks for such an awful thing.
I know a little about it. All buildings that are on fire have some degree of structural integrity so the scene has to be sized-up before entry is made. That happens very fast so a lot of it just has to do with standing protocols and the judgement of those in charge at the scene. Life safety priority in this order - your own, your crew members/other responders, general public. People may not like that ranking but you can't do much good if you're dead. That stated - it would be kind of hard to not attempt to rescue as many as possible when you're pulling on scene and see people jumping to their deaths from the 80th floor.
Currently civil engineers are still debating about the cause of the collapse of the WTC, I dont think at that very moment the firefighters would know of anything.
Debating? This was case-closed long ago, fren. I've seen numerous in-depth videos with supporting materials. I've also seen documentation of mysterious crews in the facility in the 2-3 week period before the collapse. That was a controlled demolition -- no doubt about it. And yes, I'm an architect with vast experience.
The only engineers who are still "debating" this are all shills. Do a little digging on line and you'll find plenty of evidence to support my conclusion.
And that's what happens. The stupidity of those who were and are still selling this yarn is only exceeded by how stupid these sick morons think WE are. Of course, many normies ARE, but many more of us are quite the opposite.
Planes are primarily made of aluminum, which would fold up like a tin can - if it wasn't shredded by the fuel explosion, which it would be. The impact would likely dent a few adjacent steel columns and the explosion would blow partitions, office furniture and other loose objects through metal stud and drywall walls, but as numerous structural engineers have stated the fuel fire would not have melted steel and the impact damage would not have triggered a collapse. Even if upper floors collapsed due to column damage at the point of impact, they would have tilted toward the point if column failure and most definitely NOT result in the perfect packing of the entire structure. The odds of the same exact thing happening to the second tower, due to a different impact location (and presumably velocity and trajectory angle) have got to be extremely high - if not incalcuable.
The simulations of the kinetic process of the airplane colliding with the building resembles cheese going through a slicer. The airplane penetrates most of the building---but the steel columns slice it lengthwise.
The fuel in the fire was essentially kerosene, which has an adiabatic flame temperature of 2,093 C. Iron (steel) has a melting point of 1,538 C. Aluminum has a melting point of 660 C. So, it is credible that the steel may have melted. It is certain that the aluminum would have melted. The flame temperature of burning aluminum vapor (which would evaporate from hot molten aluminum) is 3,732 C (in pure oxygen, lower when in air). If aluminum had been burning, not only would the temperature have been high enough to produce molten steel, it would also produce quantities of aluminum oxide. (In other words, what unwitting people will mistake for "thermite" in the wreckage.)
I suggest the structural engineers are not combustion engineers, or strength of materials engineers. Steel loses a great deal of strength as the temperature gets into the thousands of degrees. As I have elaborated elsewhere in this thread, when the load-bearing strength of the floor column array reduces to the load limit, it only takes one column failure to initiate a chain reaction of column failures, to occur within a few tens of milliseconds. The upper 12 stories would have had no time to tilt as they fell. The collapse proceeded at a steady acceleration of 0.7 g, which meant that the crushed structure was opposing the oncoming load to the extent of 0.3 g.
What happened on 9/11 had nothing to do with "odds." It was possible and it happened. Post-facto expectations to the contrary are only signs of ignorance.
A diagonal break is what happens in shear failure under compression.
I don't know what you mean by "pools of thermite." Thermite (a mixture of aluminum powder and iron oxide) is too exothermic to survive a fire without chemically reacting. The result of the thermite reaction is aluminum oxide and molten iron. Guess what? You get the same thing when an aluminum airplane burns up in an iron structure. Burning aluminum is one of the hottest flames available. The solid propellant in the large solid booster rockets used on the space shuttle were about 30% aluminum in composition.
The poster meant there were pools of molten iron found in the basement…caused by a massive amount of thermite on the steel. An airplane wouldn’t cause that.
WTC7 had sudden global collapse with free fall acceleration for around 2 seconds, something that’s not possible without controlled demolition
It’s also worth noting The Reported airspeed of United flight 175 was 510 knots near sea level. At 22,000 ft the equivalent speed/stress is 722 knots or mach 1.19.
IOW the airframe would receive the same amount of stress going an airspeed of 510 knots at sea level as it would going mach 1.2 at 22,000 feet. The plane would break apart before it would reach these speeds.
At sea level These planes would become incontrollable at around 380 knots airspeed and start to break apart after around 420ish knots (see below V-G diagram). Because of this fact commercial pilots with thousands of hrs say 510 knots at sea level is impossible especially with a mostly level flight path. Even the concord jet can’t go 510 knots at sea level. But some dudes who trained on a single engine cessna going 60 knots pulled this feat off hitting a 200 ft wide target going an impossible speed? It’s absurd.
I guess boeing built 757 and 767’s capable of supersonic flights at altitude and still controllable enough to hit a 208 ft wide target with a 25 foot margin of error on either side?? That’s amazing!!
The chief result of burning aluminum in the presence of iron is to melt the iron. That is the whole chemistry of thermite, and burning aluminum is what was going on with those airplanes.
What happened at the floor that the airplane crashed into, and which was the firebox for the combustion, was a progressive reduction in the yield strength of the steel columns. When they reached the critical condition of having no structural margin remaining, all it would take is the failure of one column to throw all its load on the remaining columns. Which would overload the remaining columns and cause additional failures, thus entailing a chain reaction that would fail all columns. The load failures propagated at the speed of sound in steel, which is about 5 kilometers/second, essentially instantaneous. You can see this ripple effect in the buildings that have fallen in the Turkey earthquake. When all the upper stories have no resistance to falling, a free fall of 2 seconds is about 64 feet, which would be the thickness of the affected floors.
The World Land Speed Record by custom automobile is 760 mph (660 knots). The drag coefficient at subsonic conditions is significantly lower than the drag coefficient at supersonic conditions, so your speed comparison is faulty. Passenger airlines have been recorded in flight at supersonic conditions in flight accidents that caused permanent deflection of the wing structure but the airplane survived and landed. The fact remains that the aircraft collided with the Towers at the speeds estimated, as established by photographic evidence.
As for training, it turns out a 200-foot wide building is hard to miss. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Are you going to say that "because it couldn't have happened, it didn't happen"?
wow, your a 911 conspiracy theorist that believes every structural support member gave way at just the right time to implode onto itself at free fall speed, especially Building 7?
aluminum, jet fuel, people, rubber tires, cans of gasoline, you name it, can't decimate a metal frame structure like that.
it honestly requires the most outlandish of conspiracy theories to believe these buildings could have collapsed in the manner they did as the result of just 2 planes
Right the mainstream narrative is the conspiracy theron. Its common knowledge that 9/11 was an attack on us by lizard people. For thd normies or young people out there assplain this then = 3 buildings, 2 planes. Thermite found on site, burning a month later. Obvious missile hit pentagon in the exact area " closed for construction ", Operation Vigilant Guardian, "flight 93 not one drop of blood found in piles of debree, also no jet. Larry Silverjew gets insurance on buildings in July specifically for acts of terrorism, NORAD holds exercises for weird terrorism that day, dude supposedly on flight 93 called his mom and said " hi mom, its Joe Blow. As if anyone ever called their mom and used their full name. Gold under the towers gone , building 7 financial records, found ' hijackers passport in rubble... this is what I can remember of the top of my head. These lizards are devil worshippers into numerology and weird shit. 9/11 = emergency. Hindsight is 2020. Etc.
As it turns out, I am not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, though I will agree there was a plot to create the event. Mostly, I am a bullshit debunker.
See my above post. The structural failure was a column collapse chain reaction, propagating at the speed of sound in the structure (5,000 to 5,900 meters/second). To propagate a strain wave 200 feet (61 meters) would take 0.012 second.
Burning jet fuel and burning aluminum can create temperatures to both melt and weaken structural steel below its rated strength. All it takes is gravity to finish the job (as happened).
There is nothing "outlandish" in what happened. Anyone with a background in structural engineering will find it not only plausible, but inevitable. Interestingly, it seems to be only the ignorant who find the events incredible.
Yesterday it was A right wing conspiracy.
Today we admit the technology exists but we didn't do that.
Tomorrow we had to do it because Russia and climate warming.
Exactly. It's just so frustrating these arrogant "know it all". We don't know anything...but I've heard abt HAARP for years so maybe where there's smoke, there's fire.
There's not even smoke. It's the conspiracy theorists who are trying to raise smoke. A classic example of paranoid fear of unknown (to them) technology.
If a slip strike fault is under a lot of built up pressure, it may take a nudge rather than the entire force of the earthquake to get the thing to release.
I worked with and helped design REAL exotic classified technologies. It is not true that "anything goes." It's hard enough to make real things go. The Turk official is just an example of what happens when fictitious Urban Myth goes viral.
What is ever "right" about an earthquake? Nothing but damage, injury, death, and loss.
Turkey opposes allowing Sweden and Finland into NATO, refuses bribes, and now, randomly, there is a massive earthquake.
The DS has been able to control the weather for decades now (HAARP, cloud seeding, etc). Notice how suddenly, it's getting warmer? The storms and events the left "predicted" are all coming true, and even the skeptics are starting to go along with everything? Obviously, it's because they're making it happen. If you've ever wondered why wind mills are still running on calm days, it's because they're not harnessing the wind, they're creating it. Now there are thousands of them, right beneath our noses.
President Trump knows all this, which is why he is opposing wind farms. The MSM doesn't understand it, but we know.
Too many people are buying into it, and I haven't seen any legitimate statisticians debunking the official narrative. I think the DS first tried misinformation, but for a while, there was a lot of scientific articles about how climate change wasn't real. Then suddenly, it started happened just as they predicted and they're trying to make us look like idiots for doubting it. Some sophisticated Sun Tzu tactics being played here.
Anything that happens "suddenly" in climate is simply not "climate." It is weather. In the long run, nothing is going on. There was a "hiatus" of nearly 20 years, so they had to abandon the "global warming" narrative for the "climate change" narrative. But there has been no or little change on that front. And if you look at data earlier than 1970, you can find lots of worse / extreme weather.
We just got through an ice storm here in Texas, so no, I’m not seeing the general climate getting warmer. Didn’t Trump Jr post on TS about how Mt Washington just hit record cold temps? I’ve also recently heard that the polar ice caps are growing to the utter bafflement of climate scientists.
The storms and events the Left “predicted” are all coming true.
Do you have any data to suggest that storms are getting worse or more frequent? Any data showing that said increase is man made? What are these other events you allude to?
Weather manipulation tech is not nearly as advanced as some think. At best they can make clouds drop their rain a little earlier than usual, and at best they get a 15% increase in rainfall per Scientific American. To make the leap that they can cause hurricanes and earthquakes is completely unfounded.
Turkey gets an earthquake after disagreeing with its NATO allies? That’s called correlation; it is not a valid data point. You have to prove that earthquakes are artificial. Do you even have a scientifically plausible mechanism for how earthquakes can be artificially induced? Furthermore, if the Turkey earthquakes were generated by other NATO members, then Turkey would consider that an act of war, split from NATO, and immediately side with Russia.
Vague speculation about DS capabilities, when it’s backed by conjecture and not verifiable facts, is not helpful. This kind of irrational speculation is why we keep getting inundated with Flat Earthers and NESARA scammers.
Here's a good example. Larger, more violent hurricanes are becoming more frequent. There are years where it spikes, but the trend overall is going up. If you cut out the vague speculation, I feel like most of the content around here would get removed. Somethings may not be objectively true, but they feel right and that's what's important.
If the DS did have control over the whether, they would use it subtly, sparingly. Anyone who tried to call them out on it would sound crazy, which is exactly their point.
Your chart does show an increase in tropical storm activity, but that alone does not establish why this increase is occurring. Any model attempting to explain this trend must be able to provide a mechanism for why it’s happening and an objectively falsifiable prediction for future cyclonic activity. Does the “it’s secret govt tech” model provide such a mechanism or predictions?
If you cut out the vague speculation, I feel like most of the content here would get removed.
Good, that would open up more room for things that we actually have facts and evidence for, like vaccine side effects and election rigging.
some things may not be objectively true but they feel right and that’s what’s important.
False, feelings do not substantiate anything. Feelings are incredibly subjective and have no bearing on reality. This exact argument is what the Left uses to justify their nonsense: “it feels right/good, therefore it must be right/good”. Ultimately this is the same argument that Flat Earthers use as well; all their arguments boil down to “I don’t like NASA and my model feels right, regardless of what evidence opposes it”.
Intuition is not a bad tool to use, but it cannot be your only tool. If there’s no evidence to support your intuition, or available evidence contradicts it, then your intuition needs to be re-examined.
There is another explanation. Earth and universe in general have events happening in cyclical manner (think thousands of years) and everything can be "predicted". And cabal use it for their needs.
Its a tactic called muddying the waters. Its a well known fascist move. Throw everything at the wall no matter the validity and make it so unclear what the truth is that it doesnt matter anyways.
Keep an eye out for it. Most noted by rapidly changing stories (someone says one thing, then they tell another new story, then go back to the first, then a 3rd different story) (i didnt steal them i had the right to take them, they were planeted, i had the right to take them, theyre not a big deal even if i did take them, they were planted, theyre not mine)
Yes they are very common,my brother worked for the. Company that wrote the software they used. He spent years talking to these guys all over the world.
If my memory serves me properly, back in the 1970's there was a treaty about not making man made earthquakes. I do not remember who signed on except the USA.
"And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven (Luke 21:11)."
Who knew it would come from technology created by man?
In 2011,in Christchurch newzealand, we had a 7.3 Earthquake,.and exactly at that time there was a US seismic surveyship, stationed off the South Island,.directly Straddling Rim of Fire Earthquake Faultline ,our PM, John Key in a Live tv,news Broadcast ..called it MAN MADE!!,.2 weeks later amid a massive 7.3 Earthquake with an estimated ,.damage report of $ 6 billion,..he Quit,.or was replaced,.I believe it was his MAN MADE Comment in fact he said it Twice,.
If it was a seismic survey ship, then it’s perfectly reasonable that it would be around when an earthquake strikes. They are supposed to gather data from earthquakes after all. And since New Zealand is on the southern end of the Ring of Fire, there’s going to be lots of seismic activity in that area, regardless of what ships are present.
If they can create a 20 minute earthquake off of Madagascar while President Trump was in the middle of meeting with other world leaders, then they are probably capable of using seismic weapons in Turkey.
It's a surveillance X-band radar, nothing else. It cannot do what HAARP does. And neither HAARP nor it can produce earthquakes. Putting radars in protective domes is old hat. The old DEW line had such radar installations. https://www.radomes.org/museum/alaskadew.php The decommissioned Safeguard system had missile defense radars in protective pyramids. https://srmsc.org/msr2000.html Getting worked up over the shape of a radar system is like drawing conclusions from the shape of a soft drink bottle.
It has been researched and known for many years that applying an external stress at a known and visible fault can trigger an aftershock or earth quake.
it is not unheard of that blind faults can also be activated with external stresses.
To give a sense of scale, the death toll from the earthquake in Turkey is ~20K so far. The death toll of 9/11 was 3K.
More died after 9/11 from cancers and other disease than in the initial event though. Never forget first responders who took those risks for such an awful thing.
I know a little about it. All buildings that are on fire have some degree of structural integrity so the scene has to be sized-up before entry is made. That happens very fast so a lot of it just has to do with standing protocols and the judgement of those in charge at the scene. Life safety priority in this order - your own, your crew members/other responders, general public. People may not like that ranking but you can't do much good if you're dead. That stated - it would be kind of hard to not attempt to rescue as many as possible when you're pulling on scene and see people jumping to their deaths from the 80th floor.
Currently civil engineers are still debating about the cause of the collapse of the WTC, I dont think at that very moment the firefighters would know of anything.
Debating? This was case-closed long ago, fren. I've seen numerous in-depth videos with supporting materials. I've also seen documentation of mysterious crews in the facility in the 2-3 week period before the collapse. That was a controlled demolition -- no doubt about it. And yes, I'm an architect with vast experience.
The only engineers who are still "debating" this are all shills. Do a little digging on line and you'll find plenty of evidence to support my conclusion.
Happy research!
Israeli "Art Project"....yeah, that's the ticket.
More like a magic act of genocide. Now you see it - now you don 't . . .
Israeli "art students" .. Full access pass?
Question, if it were only the planes that hit, what kind of damage would have happened? Without the controlled demolition part.
I thought I had read that buildings were engineered to withstand a planet crash.
They were. A building in Philly got hit by plane in 1973. It burned for a little while, then was put out.
And that's what happens. The stupidity of those who were and are still selling this yarn is only exceeded by how stupid these sick morons think WE are. Of course, many normies ARE, but many more of us are quite the opposite.
WWG1WGA
Not quite -- unless it's a very small planet. Kek
Planes are primarily made of aluminum, which would fold up like a tin can - if it wasn't shredded by the fuel explosion, which it would be. The impact would likely dent a few adjacent steel columns and the explosion would blow partitions, office furniture and other loose objects through metal stud and drywall walls, but as numerous structural engineers have stated the fuel fire would not have melted steel and the impact damage would not have triggered a collapse. Even if upper floors collapsed due to column damage at the point of impact, they would have tilted toward the point if column failure and most definitely NOT result in the perfect packing of the entire structure. The odds of the same exact thing happening to the second tower, due to a different impact location (and presumably velocity and trajectory angle) have got to be extremely high - if not incalcuable.
Just my 17 cents, fren . . .
The simulations of the kinetic process of the airplane colliding with the building resembles cheese going through a slicer. The airplane penetrates most of the building---but the steel columns slice it lengthwise.
The fuel in the fire was essentially kerosene, which has an adiabatic flame temperature of 2,093 C. Iron (steel) has a melting point of 1,538 C. Aluminum has a melting point of 660 C. So, it is credible that the steel may have melted. It is certain that the aluminum would have melted. The flame temperature of burning aluminum vapor (which would evaporate from hot molten aluminum) is 3,732 C (in pure oxygen, lower when in air). If aluminum had been burning, not only would the temperature have been high enough to produce molten steel, it would also produce quantities of aluminum oxide. (In other words, what unwitting people will mistake for "thermite" in the wreckage.)
I suggest the structural engineers are not combustion engineers, or strength of materials engineers. Steel loses a great deal of strength as the temperature gets into the thousands of degrees. As I have elaborated elsewhere in this thread, when the load-bearing strength of the floor column array reduces to the load limit, it only takes one column failure to initiate a chain reaction of column failures, to occur within a few tens of milliseconds. The upper 12 stories would have had no time to tilt as they fell. The collapse proceeded at a steady acceleration of 0.7 g, which meant that the crushed structure was opposing the oncoming load to the extent of 0.3 g.
What happened on 9/11 had nothing to do with "odds." It was possible and it happened. Post-facto expectations to the contrary are only signs of ignorance.
A diagonal break is what happens in shear failure under compression.
I don't know what you mean by "pools of thermite." Thermite (a mixture of aluminum powder and iron oxide) is too exothermic to survive a fire without chemically reacting. The result of the thermite reaction is aluminum oxide and molten iron. Guess what? You get the same thing when an aluminum airplane burns up in an iron structure. Burning aluminum is one of the hottest flames available. The solid propellant in the large solid booster rockets used on the space shuttle were about 30% aluminum in composition.
The poster meant there were pools of molten iron found in the basement…caused by a massive amount of thermite on the steel. An airplane wouldn’t cause that.
WTC7 had sudden global collapse with free fall acceleration for around 2 seconds, something that’s not possible without controlled demolition
It’s also worth noting The Reported airspeed of United flight 175 was 510 knots near sea level. At 22,000 ft the equivalent speed/stress is 722 knots or mach 1.19.
IOW the airframe would receive the same amount of stress going an airspeed of 510 knots at sea level as it would going mach 1.2 at 22,000 feet. The plane would break apart before it would reach these speeds.
At sea level These planes would become incontrollable at around 380 knots airspeed and start to break apart after around 420ish knots (see below V-G diagram). Because of this fact commercial pilots with thousands of hrs say 510 knots at sea level is impossible especially with a mostly level flight path. Even the concord jet can’t go 510 knots at sea level. But some dudes who trained on a single engine cessna going 60 knots pulled this feat off hitting a 200 ft wide target going an impossible speed? It’s absurd.
I guess boeing built 757 and 767’s capable of supersonic flights at altitude and still controllable enough to hit a 208 ft wide target with a 25 foot margin of error on either side?? That’s amazing!!
https://i.imgur.com/wMoFVbr.png
The chief result of burning aluminum in the presence of iron is to melt the iron. That is the whole chemistry of thermite, and burning aluminum is what was going on with those airplanes.
What happened at the floor that the airplane crashed into, and which was the firebox for the combustion, was a progressive reduction in the yield strength of the steel columns. When they reached the critical condition of having no structural margin remaining, all it would take is the failure of one column to throw all its load on the remaining columns. Which would overload the remaining columns and cause additional failures, thus entailing a chain reaction that would fail all columns. The load failures propagated at the speed of sound in steel, which is about 5 kilometers/second, essentially instantaneous. You can see this ripple effect in the buildings that have fallen in the Turkey earthquake. When all the upper stories have no resistance to falling, a free fall of 2 seconds is about 64 feet, which would be the thickness of the affected floors.
The World Land Speed Record by custom automobile is 760 mph (660 knots). The drag coefficient at subsonic conditions is significantly lower than the drag coefficient at supersonic conditions, so your speed comparison is faulty. Passenger airlines have been recorded in flight at supersonic conditions in flight accidents that caused permanent deflection of the wing structure but the airplane survived and landed. The fact remains that the aircraft collided with the Towers at the speeds estimated, as established by photographic evidence.
It was a possible speed because IT HAPPENED. Reality trumps back-of-envelope finger exercises. Land Speed Record drivers can control up to 660 knots. The speed of sound at sea level is 643 knots, so 510 knots is Mach 0.79, which should be within the aircraft's control envelope. Don't take my word for it; see what the experts have to say: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/15407/can-a-boeing-767-200-fly-at-510-knots-at-a-height-of-400-metres
As for training, it turns out a 200-foot wide building is hard to miss. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Are you going to say that "because it couldn't have happened, it didn't happen"?
wow, your a 911 conspiracy theorist that believes every structural support member gave way at just the right time to implode onto itself at free fall speed, especially Building 7?
aluminum, jet fuel, people, rubber tires, cans of gasoline, you name it, can't decimate a metal frame structure like that.
it honestly requires the most outlandish of conspiracy theories to believe these buildings could have collapsed in the manner they did as the result of just 2 planes
Right the mainstream narrative is the conspiracy theron. Its common knowledge that 9/11 was an attack on us by lizard people. For thd normies or young people out there assplain this then = 3 buildings, 2 planes. Thermite found on site, burning a month later. Obvious missile hit pentagon in the exact area " closed for construction ", Operation Vigilant Guardian, "flight 93 not one drop of blood found in piles of debree, also no jet. Larry Silverjew gets insurance on buildings in July specifically for acts of terrorism, NORAD holds exercises for weird terrorism that day, dude supposedly on flight 93 called his mom and said " hi mom, its Joe Blow. As if anyone ever called their mom and used their full name. Gold under the towers gone , building 7 financial records, found ' hijackers passport in rubble... this is what I can remember of the top of my head. These lizards are devil worshippers into numerology and weird shit. 9/11 = emergency. Hindsight is 2020. Etc.
32fps... start there when researching free fall
As it turns out, I am not a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, though I will agree there was a plot to create the event. Mostly, I am a bullshit debunker.
See my above post. The structural failure was a column collapse chain reaction, propagating at the speed of sound in the structure (5,000 to 5,900 meters/second). To propagate a strain wave 200 feet (61 meters) would take 0.012 second.
Burning jet fuel and burning aluminum can create temperatures to both melt and weaken structural steel below its rated strength. All it takes is gravity to finish the job (as happened).
There is nothing "outlandish" in what happened. Anyone with a background in structural engineering will find it not only plausible, but inevitable. Interestingly, it seems to be only the ignorant who find the events incredible.
You're hilarious tell me more
I did. See above.
Actually, a University of Alaska study (https://www.adn.com/opinions/2017/09/09/uaf-study-challenges-theories-on-why-third-world-trade-center-building-collapsed-on-sept-11/) came to conclusions about the WTC collapse. Interesting read.
https://twitter.com/Terror_Alarm/status/1622980912261505027
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1114131/ajax/aggregate
https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/ankara-mayor-turkiye-may-be-targeted-by-man-made-earthquakes/
Yesterday it was A right wing conspiracy.
Today we admit the technology exists but we didn't do that.
Tomorrow we had to do it because Russia and climate warming.
Exactly. It's just so frustrating these arrogant "know it all". We don't know anything...but I've heard abt HAARP for years so maybe where there's smoke, there's fire.
There's not even smoke. It's the conspiracy theorists who are trying to raise smoke. A classic example of paranoid fear of unknown (to them) technology.
Yeah so refresh my memory, what’s the average time for a conspiracy theorist to be proven right?
Plenty of empty conspiracy theories. No guarantee that any will be "proven right."
“So you’re telling me there’s a chance?” Jim Carey from Dumb & Dumber
It's not a matter of chance. The theories have a lot stacked against them. Like lack of evidence or cause, or a fallacious formulation.
Its speeding up. 9/11 took years but I think this vagina cloud weather weapon one will be weeks
Why? Why call it vagina cloud?
They are merely asking questions.
I personally am old school and think it's just nature doing stuff, and HAARP is still unbelievable but I'm not shutting down the possibility either.
To what result? Cloud-seeding was old hat in the 1960s. Lots of effort for marginal results.
That's the logic with deciding to accept that HAARP can email earthquakes to countries around the world?
There is a lot of evidence for this one actually. It’s even in some of the Wikileaks.
If a slip strike fault is under a lot of built up pressure, it may take a nudge rather than the entire force of the earthquake to get the thing to release.
Not plausible. Calculate the power requirements.
I worked with and helped design REAL exotic classified technologies. It is not true that "anything goes." It's hard enough to make real things go. The Turk official is just an example of what happens when fictitious Urban Myth goes viral.
What is ever "right" about an earthquake? Nothing but damage, injury, death, and loss.
Heh heh, Catsfive covering HAARP in a separate topic folks. Very in-depth.
Turkey opposes allowing Sweden and Finland into NATO, refuses bribes, and now, randomly, there is a massive earthquake.
The DS has been able to control the weather for decades now (HAARP, cloud seeding, etc). Notice how suddenly, it's getting warmer? The storms and events the left "predicted" are all coming true, and even the skeptics are starting to go along with everything? Obviously, it's because they're making it happen. If you've ever wondered why wind mills are still running on calm days, it's because they're not harnessing the wind, they're creating it. Now there are thousands of them, right beneath our noses.
President Trump knows all this, which is why he is opposing wind farms. The MSM doesn't understand it, but we know.
Is it getting warmer? Temperatures have swung well within the normal averages with some colder days and hotter days here for the past 25 years+
Global temp peaked 8 years ago and has been decreasing (slowly) since then.
According to the NOAA, the 10 hottest years on record have all happened within the last 20 years, 2016 being the hottest.
We've already seen the likes of NASA revise records to suit the warming narrative, so anything from a .gov on this front is automatically suspect.
We also know, and have known, that the sun is in a hot cycle.
Yes, that's what "peaked" means: what you said does not contact what I said. It reached a high point, and then started to decrease from there.
Too many people are buying into it, and I haven't seen any legitimate statisticians debunking the official narrative. I think the DS first tried misinformation, but for a while, there was a lot of scientific articles about how climate change wasn't real. Then suddenly, it started happened just as they predicted and they're trying to make us look like idiots for doubting it. Some sophisticated Sun Tzu tactics being played here.
Anything that happens "suddenly" in climate is simply not "climate." It is weather. In the long run, nothing is going on. There was a "hiatus" of nearly 20 years, so they had to abandon the "global warming" narrative for the "climate change" narrative. But there has been no or little change on that front. And if you look at data earlier than 1970, you can find lots of worse / extreme weather.
We just got through an ice storm here in Texas, so no, I’m not seeing the general climate getting warmer. Didn’t Trump Jr post on TS about how Mt Washington just hit record cold temps? I’ve also recently heard that the polar ice caps are growing to the utter bafflement of climate scientists.
Do you have any data to suggest that storms are getting worse or more frequent? Any data showing that said increase is man made? What are these other events you allude to?
Weather manipulation tech is not nearly as advanced as some think. At best they can make clouds drop their rain a little earlier than usual, and at best they get a 15% increase in rainfall per Scientific American. To make the leap that they can cause hurricanes and earthquakes is completely unfounded.
Turkey gets an earthquake after disagreeing with its NATO allies? That’s called correlation; it is not a valid data point. You have to prove that earthquakes are artificial. Do you even have a scientifically plausible mechanism for how earthquakes can be artificially induced? Furthermore, if the Turkey earthquakes were generated by other NATO members, then Turkey would consider that an act of war, split from NATO, and immediately side with Russia.
Vague speculation about DS capabilities, when it’s backed by conjecture and not verifiable facts, is not helpful. This kind of irrational speculation is why we keep getting inundated with Flat Earthers and NESARA scammers.
Here's a good example. Larger, more violent hurricanes are becoming more frequent. There are years where it spikes, but the trend overall is going up. If you cut out the vague speculation, I feel like most of the content around here would get removed. Somethings may not be objectively true, but they feel right and that's what's important.
If the DS did have control over the whether, they would use it subtly, sparingly. Anyone who tried to call them out on it would sound crazy, which is exactly their point.
Your chart does show an increase in tropical storm activity, but that alone does not establish why this increase is occurring. Any model attempting to explain this trend must be able to provide a mechanism for why it’s happening and an objectively falsifiable prediction for future cyclonic activity. Does the “it’s secret govt tech” model provide such a mechanism or predictions?
Good, that would open up more room for things that we actually have facts and evidence for, like vaccine side effects and election rigging.
False, feelings do not substantiate anything. Feelings are incredibly subjective and have no bearing on reality. This exact argument is what the Left uses to justify their nonsense: “it feels right/good, therefore it must be right/good”. Ultimately this is the same argument that Flat Earthers use as well; all their arguments boil down to “I don’t like NASA and my model feels right, regardless of what evidence opposes it”.
Intuition is not a bad tool to use, but it cannot be your only tool. If there’s no evidence to support your intuition, or available evidence contradicts it, then your intuition needs to be re-examined.
I thought the wind was caused by all the trees waving at each other...
Only when it's a friendly wave
There is another explanation. Earth and universe in general have events happening in cyclical manner (think thousands of years) and everything can be "predicted". And cabal use it for their needs.
That's not an attack! That's climate change!
Who the hell knows anymore.
Thats a big goal of the psyop.
Its a tactic called muddying the waters. Its a well known fascist move. Throw everything at the wall no matter the validity and make it so unclear what the truth is that it doesnt matter anyways.
Keep an eye out for it. Most noted by rapidly changing stories (someone says one thing, then they tell another new story, then go back to the first, then a 3rd different story) (i didnt steal them i had the right to take them, they were planeted, i had the right to take them, theyre not a big deal even if i did take them, they were planted, theyre not mine)
Those ships are used to look for oil/ gas. They use air cannons to make a pressure wave. Don't have the power to make earthquakes
Agree. More likely it was the destruction of child trafficking tunnels between Syria and Turkey, with eventual transport into Europe.
You've seen that same type of ship with that gigantic white sphere, and 4 little spheres around being used to look for oi/gas?
Yes they are very common,my brother worked for the. Company that wrote the software they used. He spent years talking to these guys all over the world.
He's talking about this: https://idstch.com/military/navy/us-is-deploying-navy-platform-sbx1-to-trigger-earthquakes-in-north-korea-as-haarp-weapon-is-it-pure-speculation/
More pics: https://sciechimicheinformazionicorrette.blogspot.com/2019/07/haarp-mobile-sea-based-x-band-radar-1.html
If my memory serves me properly, back in the 1970's there was a treaty about not making man made earthquakes. I do not remember who signed on except the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonic_weapon
Related.
https://memoryholeblog.org/2018/09/18/stealth-terror-iv-earthquakes-2/
"And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven (Luke 21:11)."
Who knew it would come from technology created by man?
Actually, nobody knows. Everyone here is going off on paranoid speculation.
Tragic if true.
In 2011,in Christchurch newzealand, we had a 7.3 Earthquake,.and exactly at that time there was a US seismic surveyship, stationed off the South Island,.directly Straddling Rim of Fire Earthquake Faultline ,our PM, John Key in a Live tv,news Broadcast ..called it MAN MADE!!,.2 weeks later amid a massive 7.3 Earthquake with an estimated ,.damage report of $ 6 billion,..he Quit,.or was replaced,.I believe it was his MAN MADE Comment in fact he said it Twice,.
If it was a seismic survey ship, then it’s perfectly reasonable that it would be around when an earthquake strikes. They are supposed to gather data from earthquakes after all. And since New Zealand is on the southern end of the Ring of Fire, there’s going to be lots of seismic activity in that area, regardless of what ships are present.
How many times have we been told "These People Are Sick".
The US just wants to piss off everyone e so we get attacked, that's bidens agenda along with economy destruction
How can 'a' seismic ship cause earthquakes??
If they can create a 20 minute earthquake off of Madagascar while President Trump was in the middle of meeting with other world leaders, then they are probably capable of using seismic weapons in Turkey.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/earthquake-seismic-waves-mayotte-madagascar-volcanic-activity-science-a8659236.html
https://www.latestly.com/technology/science/the-earth-moved-for-20-minutes-on-november-11-due-to-unusual-seismic-activity-around-madagascar-and-no-one-noticed-514240.html
It's a surveillance X-band radar, nothing else. It cannot do what HAARP does. And neither HAARP nor it can produce earthquakes. Putting radars in protective domes is old hat. The old DEW line had such radar installations. https://www.radomes.org/museum/alaskadew.php The decommissioned Safeguard system had missile defense radars in protective pyramids. https://srmsc.org/msr2000.html Getting worked up over the shape of a radar system is like drawing conclusions from the shape of a soft drink bottle.
LOL
It has been researched and known for many years that applying an external stress at a known and visible fault can trigger an aftershock or earth quake.
it is not unheard of that blind faults can also be activated with external stresses.
I doubt it was a US seismic research ship. I would not also rule out the use of Rods from God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKsnsrQxVo&t=7s
Maybe ChatGPT knows
DAN does
Looks like the next act is for Turkey to join Brics.
William Mount says the Turkish Secretary of Interior said this an hour before the earthquake: https://www.bitchute.com/video/yCbwsnGhx0HM/
Turkeys admin is fumbling this crisis EXTRA hard.
The people are hella mad, no shit the officals responsible for not helping are going to try to shift the story and blame.
So was it;
A distraction
A Sacrifice
A specific person or target being hit inside Turkey
Or all of the above.
Vagina cloud