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MAJOR DISCOVERY: Donald Trump is the genetic grandson of John Jacob "Jack" Astor IV who died on the Titanic. PHOTO EVIDENCE. (media.greatawakening.win)
posted 3 years ago by Mister_Winston 3 years ago by Mister_Winston +249 / -0
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– Tynyyn 45 points 3 years ago +45 / -0

Great thread. Now, how about doing the same thing with Barry Soerto and Michelle LaVaughn Robinson along with their kids.

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– StinkeePinkee 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0

I just want one picture of pregnant Michael, er, Michelle...my bad, yo...but yeah, just one picture...

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– Cuetardian 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Or a verifiable birth certificate for Michelle.

Or proof of life on Michael LaVaughn Robinson.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

I thought of this, may do it.

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– jfunction 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

The thing that really tends to convince is that Trump doesn't resemble either of his putative parents - really even slightly.

So how did the Astor baby enter the Trump household (if in fact that happened)?

TY for very interesting and well done post.

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– Lawjic 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

If the Illuminati theory is true, they swap wives and babies all the time. Amazing Polly did a video on this back in the day. Hilary Clinton, Justin Trudeau, Obama's kids just a few that come to my sievelike mind.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Good examples. I was thinking about doing analysis on those three families as well.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 24 points 3 years ago +24 / -0

This began with a theory Josh Reid presented in a Badlands podcast, Earth Chronicles. He begins explaining it at the 1:08:30 mark: https://rumble.com/v2bc3ys-the-earth-chronicles-ep-13-wed-300-pm-et-.html

He explains it in context with Q post# 142, and mentions other evidence such as Trump renovating the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York. In my research, I have not found that this was Trump's first project as Reid states, but it's possible to have been an early one in his construction ventures.

A note about other family members: There are slight resemblances in Trump's other children, but none that stand out like Barron's traits. Analyzing the women in the Trump family proved difficult and inconclusive due to the use of makeup.

EDIT: Forgot to mention: The Astor family has long been considered Illuminati and have bloodlines going back to Germany. If the Astor family has noble bloodlines, it opens many discussions about the implications of Trump being nobility. This includes reasons why there have not been more assassination attempts, and why the cabal is so frantic to prevent him from progressing his agenda.

u/#q142

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– Knew2u 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

This is fascinating!

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– NeverStopBelieving 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Fascinating indeed , great word for it ,, im sold ! Would make sense for revenge to end the fed , they killed his grandfather over it ! Damn we have jfk revenge now this which is more huge !

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– deleted 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0
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– Mister_Winston [S] 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

The current standoff against the cabal seems to come with rules. Violation of the rules come with a heavy penalty. Q alluded to this when he mentioned there were something like 19 people who were off limits.

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– 17Jeff 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Imagine that White Hats have the power to crush the cabal key players at any second. The cabal can attack innocent sheep at any second. A deal is made to protect big players. In the meantime they are fighting over the consciousness of people. If enough people continue to wake up the evil will be forced out

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– quinoa 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Except they did try to assassinate him a few times but he was protected by military. So what are these "rules" among nobility you claim?

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– Mister_Winston [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Q alluded to this when he mentioned there were something like 19 people who were off limits.

Reading is fundamental.

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– Lightworker15 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

do you remember which Q post this was?

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– TinkAnon 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

No one is off limits to “We the people!” We have no such deal with the any of these nineteen. This bloodline fixation & archaic practices surrounding these families must be wiped out. Test the blood of anyone of them and see if they were really vaccinated - that will be the proof that the evil elite families must be eradicated.

It is alien to think that these 19 “so special people” are playing a game of chess with the lives of other human beings. Is Trump fighting as an act of revenge? Is he then is he fighting this fight for his real family, a family that he was not raised by or grew up with or is he fighting for “we the people?” If it is the latter, that makes him noble in my eyes. Nothing else.

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– ForHumanity3364 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

So, if 19 people are off limits...theres no way to win this war?

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– changeagent 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0

Ok, I will ask what everyone wants to ask but is too afraid to be ridiculed...

So what?

Thanks

Edit... I am not being snarky. I am totally serious. Glad for the additional comments.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 33 points 3 years ago +33 / -0

A few implications. Trump possibly being of noble bloodlines, which the cabal cultists take very seriously. It also makes ending the Fed a family matter for Trump, since his grandfather and 1200 innocents would've been murdered over.

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– yldngo 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

April 15th, tax day ironically, is the anniversary of those murders.

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– crazycloud3 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

This year tax day falls on the 17th, fun to know.

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– yldngo 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Thanks for the correction fren. That is fun to know.

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– NeverStopBelieving 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

No fkn kidding that’s what I was thinking , thst would mean his grandfather was murdered ,, that’s huge reason for DJT .. for me this makes sense !

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– TinkAnon 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Noble bloodlines? By who’s determination?

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– changeagent 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Thanks!

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– GizzardPuke 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

This !

If true it is noteworthy.

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– MudDog 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

Revenge, and it's going to be Biblical

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– JesusIsLord1 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Or banned. /s

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– inquimous 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

Everyone is related and a lot of Europeans look alike, because they are related either by kinship or DNA . Fun with genealogy and statistics.

Are you related to Charlemagne? (Spoiler, if you have at least one European ancestor, yes.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Uce4fG4R0

Are you more related to Charlemagne or Julius Caesar? (Spoiler, you would be more related to Caesar but you aren't) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgDAyW8PZYY

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– ZerroDefex 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

I've heard theories that Charlemagne is a composite of multiple people as there's no way he could have accomplished all of the things attributed to him over his lifetime.

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– FreeKyleRightNow 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Yes. Lots of them. It’s crazy.

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– Tradox 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

a descendent of Abraham ftw.

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– inquimous 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

By the same mathematical reasoning, anyone with one Middle Eastern ancestor is related to Mohammed, Abraham, the kings of Babylon, etc. If you have a Chinese ancestor it's Genghis Khan. And the further back you go, the more related you are to everyone in the past.

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– PandaMoon17 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

Interesting that none of you are bringing up the theory of Melania being a Royal Romanoff descendant.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Good point and worth looking into.

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– LongTimeListener 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

Wonder how theyd fit Uncle John Trump into this because Donald is the spitting image of John.

Look at the pic of a young John at this link:

https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.20181019a/full/

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– crazycloud3 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

John looks to me like he could be Julian Assange's father. Could Trump and Assange be cousins?

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– Joys1Daughter 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Came here to say THIS! 👆 u/crazycloud3 Always thought Julian was John's son.

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– crazycloud3 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Cousins? This movie is really starting to get fun.
Another thing that just happened today, my friend showed me an add for wireless charging. It for the Tesla cars. I thought wireless electricity was a silly theory. KEK

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– Drawdraw45 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

John has always been seen as the spitting image of Julian Assange, which is why it's been speculated that he is John Trump's son.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

There are some features in the eyes that are close, but other than that I'm not really seeing it. His mouth is wide compared to Donald's. It's subjective though.

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– NeverStopBelieving 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I don’t think the uncle and DJT look alike , that’s just me

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

They really don't. After spending so many days studying these photos of the Astors and Trumps, it's obvious that no one in the Trump lineage except his brother resemble him as closely as the Astors do.

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– NeverStopBelieving 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

And Barron omg .. I’m sold , it makes total sense now ! I always knew there was some kind of deep mystery behind Trumps past, this is it! Wow !

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

The similarities to Barron are what clinch it. When I first superimposed Jakey's eye over Barron's, it eliminated all doubt.

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– NeverStopBelieving 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Yes Jakey and DJT was enough to make it 100 percent but after Barron, your right it was 100 percent with no doubt ! Wow I’m litterally amazed , it all makes sense now . … I wonder who was DJT biological mother?

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– DeusVult2 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

@LongTimeListener: John Aster VI slept with many women?

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– BetterNameUnfound 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

"Donald Trump is" Statement of fact.

"According to a theory" Statement of opinion.

We're better than this.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

We're better than this.

Statement of opinion. Be better.

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– redtoe-skipper 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Bebest ;-)

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– NowTheyAllLose 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

John Jacob Astor IV was the father of John Jacob Astor VI?

How does that work?

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– Mister_Winston [S] 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

John Jacob Astor IV had two sons: John Jacob V (Vincent) from his first wife, and John Jacob VI (Jakey) from his second wife.

I know, rich people, right?

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– NowTheyAllLose 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Gotcha.

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– LongTimeListener 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I had a Mexican guy that worked for me for 25 years. He had three sons named after him, all worked for me at some point. We called the oldest junior and then we had Double J and Triple J.

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– MudDog 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Think Seal Team 6. Now apply 5D interdimensional moon chess.

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– deleted 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0
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– DeathRayDesigner 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Except for the fact that Trump's father was Fred Trump. Why do you bother with these flaky theories? Haven't you run into the hypothesis that there are a fixed number of faces in the human genetic mix? The actor Anthony Dexter was the spitting image of Rudolf Valentino (how he became famous), but they were not related.

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– inquimous 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Exactly. Just how did Astor get next to a busy housewife in Queens?

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– DeusVult2 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Maybe Fred Trump is the bastard brother of John Astor VI?

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– Mister_Winston [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Why do you bother with these flaky comments when you didn't even read the entire analysis?

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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

No genealogical evidence. It's like saying we have a second moon.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You're not even thinking before you post. First you didn't read the analysis, and now you're asking why Trump is not listed in the Astor genealogy. Flakey.

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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I read the "analysis." Sheer speculation. No genealogical evidence, as I said, and which you do not dispute. All it would take is birth records, but obviously they cannot substantiate this hypothesis or they would be revealed. Yes, "flakey" is the word to use for this imaginative notion. Or do you claim that Anthony Dexter is the son of Rudolf Valentino, simply because they look identical? That is really what this article amounts to: similarity of appearance proves genetic lineage. Really?

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– Mister_Winston [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Are you drunk? You say you read the analysis but still fail to grasp that it said PHOTO ANALYSIS from the very beginning.

"BuT wHeRe Is TeH gEnEaLoGy???"

lol, it's right next to Obama's birth certificate. Holy hell dude.

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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Photo analysis is make-believe. What can you prove? Nothing. If there is no genealogy, it is all a fantasy. (You still don't address the idea that Anthony Dexter was the son of Rudolf Valentino. Or is that too much for "photo analysis"?)

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– WillowMinxy 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

I am of the opinion that the Trump bloodline is more important than the Astor’s. Ilike Josh I listened to the show. I don’t believe it. If bloodlines count he is of a very noble Scottish background. He has this special bible that was involved in a revival and there is some talk of line of Judah and all the lore and promises that would come with that. I can’t prove it but I don’t think DJT is Illuminati.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

If you're right that would be very interesting too. Nothing wrong with a differing theory as long as it's sound.

BTW, I don't think Trump is Illuminati himself, just that he is descended from it. I think the possibility of noble bloodlines is the most relevant factor.

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– inquimous 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

As I mentioned above, we're all related to some degree, and the further you go back, the more we are related. There are human bloodlines (Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovian etc.) And otherwise the idea of "pure bloodlines" is romantic moonshine.

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– 17Jeff 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

What are they saying exactly then?

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– WillowMinxy 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Well if you study what Jacob said about Judah, a lawgiver shall not depart from his feet...they were supposed to be the government types, judges, leaders. So if bloodlines count he’s right where he should be in government. Too much studying genealogy is a waste of time bc we are adopted full children of God if we want to be.

I’m not that into it but I’ve listened to some who thin DJT is in a mission from God

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– Feelsgoodman 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

😎😎

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– Papatriot12 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

I really don't see it. You could probably do this with a photo of Nicolas Cage as well

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– Mister_Winston [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

No worries, it can be subjective. I think the strongest evidence is the picture of Jakey's eye superimposed over Barron's. Same exact eye.

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– WeAreTheWorld 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Any genealogy info to support this theory?

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– PeaceAndLovePatriot 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Just a bunch of speculation.

The op headline states this as fact, but sources photos as evidence? This is not evidence. Donald looks just like his sister. And clearly gets most of his facial features from his mom. Don Jr looks like a young version of his grampa Fred.

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– gwgh83 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Wasn't the Astor family one of the 13 families that control the world? Are they fighting back against the other 12?

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– Mister_Winston [S] 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

That's one of the implications, yes. They happened to oppose the formation of the Fed Reserve, whether for good or bad.

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– DeusVult2 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0
  1. The Astor Bloodline
  2. The Bundy Bloodline
  3. The Collins Bloodline
  4. The DuPont Bloodline
  5. The Freeman Bloodline
  6. The Kennedy Bloodline
  7. The Li Bloodline
  8. The Onassis Bloodline
  9. The Rockefeller Bloodline
  10. The Russell Bloodline
  11. The Van Duyn Bloodline
  12. The Merovingian Bloodline
  13. The Rothschild Bloodline
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– Mister_Winston [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Yep, this had me thinking of Kennedy too.

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– NeverStopBelieving 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Thank you for your research and for posting ! This bears wittness to me ! I always felt there was something deeply personal with wanting to end the fed ! I also did a bit of research about titanic and felt there was a connection with DJT but not to this extream! Wow

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– SJBHamilton 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Paul is dead! Oh wait, that was another hoax...

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– CaptainQirk 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Paul McCartney is dead. That one is immediately provable.

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– Asyouwish 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

How so?

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– StinkeePinkee 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

...or was it?

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– Revodude 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

And Astor was against the FED. As were two other powerful men that did not make it that night.

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– DeetheDeplorable 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Barron's height is determined by his mother's height. Boys are generally 6 inches taller than their mothers. I am roughly Melania's height and his dad is roughly DJT's height. He, therefore, is roughly Barron's height.

Not only that, DJT favors his mother and not his father. Might try looking at pictures of them when they were young.

It also ignores all the genetics (and pictures) from DJT's grandparents and other relatives.

I can't add the pictures but when you add them into the mix, it blows this 'theory' out of the water.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Barron's height is determined by his mother's height. Boys are generally 6 inches taller than their mothers. I am roughly Melania's height and his dad is roughly DJT's height. He, therefore, is roughly Barron's height.

This is not a rule within genetics. Height can be determined by the mother's or father's genes.

Not only that, DJT favors his mother and not his father. Might try looking at pictures of them when they were young.

I did plenty of research on other family members. Trump looks nothing like a young or aged Mary Anne MacLeod. Look for yourself.

It also ignores all the genetics (and pictures) from DJT's grandparents and other relatives.

I looked at Friedrich Trump and confirmed Donald Trump does not resemble him. I looked at other extended family members and found no conflicting evidence. If I were to post all their pictures too, the graphic would be too long and readers would lose interest.

I can't add the pictures but when you add them into the mix, it blows this 'theory' out of the water.

No, you're not linking to the pictures because you didn't bother looking. I did. I can confirm they don't conflict with the theory.

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– NeverStopBelieving 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I looked as well .. there are no trump family members that look like DJT , none ,, people say say DJT looks like his uncle john ?? I don’t see it , No way , Julian looks like john but DJT does not !

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– DeetheDeplorable 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Your stuff is not anything. Your ignore anything that does not fit your theory. Yes, I did my research. Your ignore anything and everything doesn't fit your crap shoddy 'research'.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Yet you have still not linked to anything supporting your argument.

Show me the picture of the Trump grandparent who Donald resembles. You can't, because there are none. I know this because I looked it up long before I posted.

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– DeetheDeplorable 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It is easy. There are tons of pictures of him.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/frederick-trump-donald-trump-grandfather

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– Mister_Winston [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

lol none of those people look like Donald Trump or his family.

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– GodzillaTrump 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Sorry but just blending s face into a face to prove its the same person or same family is terrible evidence

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I did not blend them. I superimposed to show there was very little difference in certain features. Can you spot a difference in the nose, mouth, and jawline of the two men?

I have no problems with subjective disagreement, but lazy statements like yours are terrible counter arguments.

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– GodzillaTrump 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

A superimposition that slowly fades one of photos in or out is the blending i speak of. It is not a good way to prove someone is someone else or is related to someone else. It is an old trick that tricks the brain into seeing more similarities than it would otherwise individually because the brain is seeing two images instead of one and it wants to make it one image. It is really poor evidence. And ironically for you it is the laziest way to prove two people are related.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

lol dude that's not blending. Superimposing is nowhere near the same. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

If the faces were different, then the superimposed image would have a bunch of conflicting imagery and it would look like a mess. It wouldn't look like anyone. I've done it with many other faces. Try it yourself.

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– GodzillaTrump 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Dude did you read where i described what i meant by blending? Superimposition of course is used when there are similarities to further drive those similarities home. It doesn't lend itself to noticing the differences. Science seeks to eliminate possibilities to find results not seek things that match. This is why things like bite mark forensics can be so easily attacked In court. And even as good as fingerprint evidence can lead to someone like attorney Brandon Mayfield in Washington being falsely identified as being suspected of terrorism across the world because his fingerprint “matched” the actual terrorist. Sorry bud its just not a good way to determine two people are related absent other evidence

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– pugsan 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

The fake obama family ----> https://greatawakening.win/p/16amPNQFlQ/just-your-daily-reminder--sasha-/c/

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– StormSailor 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

This is so fucking retarded. You can literally make this same post about millions of people. OH MY GOD, THEIR LIPS AND EYES MATCH UP IN THE SAME SPOT? CLEARLY RELATED!

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– Mister_Winston [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If you can make this post about millions of people then I'm sure you can think of an example. If not that would be pretty retarded.

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– inquimous 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Looking further into Jakey Astor, I found this: "On September 18, 1944, in New York City,[24] Astor married for the second time, to Gertrude Gretsch (1923–1999),[25] the daughter of Walter and Gertrude Gretsch.[26] They divorced on August 2, 1954, after a four-year separation"

So DJ Trump was born on June 14, 1945, almost exactly 9 mos. after Jakey would have had to be pursuing Trump's mother. And the cad had the nerve to be getting married while somehow managing this affair. Practically another JFK.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

That's a really good find. I had hit a gap in the theory when I realized Trump did not resemble Gretsch, but this would fill in that gap. This is the direction I'd need to keep digging.

Josh Reid had said that Jakey Astor and Mary Anne MacLeod were members of the same country club around that time. I'm not convinced MacLeod was Trump's mother, but I'm open to the possibility.

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– HamletRising 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If this the case he should have a vendetta against the jew cabal that killed his forefather that was going to vote against the federal reserve being established

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– Nfld709 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I still think he looks more like General Patton. Overall, the Astor's weren't a good bunch.

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– Mister_Winston [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

They certainly weren't. The more I read about them, the more contempt I had. But like JFK, someone decided to break away from family tradition.

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– Vindicator63 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Nice to see someone mention the Patton reference. I firmly believe that George S. Patton is Donald Trump's biological father.

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– numina18 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Bunk.

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– NeverStopBelieving 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Hello Mr Winston ; I have thought about this post so many times and had been searching for it with no luck until I found out about search button on here . This is fascinating . I truly believe it . Do u have any books articles videos about the titanic you could direct me to. Thank you so much

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– Mister_Winston [S] 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Hi, some useful videos on the Titanic conspiracy can be found on Rumble or Bit Chute. They all come down to the same conclusion: JP Morgan and his allies arranged the sinking to murder the opponents of the Federal Reserve, namely Astor, Strauss, and Guggenheim. https://rumble.com/v1k8l2d-the-titanic-conspiracy-the-great-deception.html

There are some facts that will even cause normies to be suspicious, like the predictive programming involving the fictional story of the Titan. It almost perfectly matches the details of the Titanic, and was published in 1898. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_of_the_Titan:_Or,_Futility

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– NeverStopBelieving 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Thank you so much , how any one can not believe or atleast consider thst Trump is a descendant is beyond me !

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– americafirst17 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I want to see this work on Julian Assange

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– NeverStopBelieving 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Julian .. uncle joh trumps son ? Check out photo of uncle john trump ,, wow !

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