IDK what to believe anymore. I was trying to research this and of course because the billion dollar rehab industry is against it, I'm sus - even though the arguments against are pretty logical.
Anyone have any experience with this personally or with a loved one?
I don't believe so.
I've seen it first-hand. What happens is people initially try to replace alcohol with weed. After realizing the effects aren't quite the same, they end up doing both to enhance each with the hopes that they will simply drink less.
The end result is getting high and drinking the same amount as before.
I will say that mushrooms are probably the best "drug" in regards to mental health, which can also help curb alcohol dependence.
Interesting. Why do you think this and why do you have mushrooms in quotes? Because they are naturally occurring or something?
There is some evidence that the psilocybin in "magic mushrooms" can cause an "ego reset" and free a mind from things to which they are addicted, like bad memories, addictions, etc.
All of this is made difficult because the Gummint has classed this as a Class I Drug, making real scientific research extremely difficult. But I suspect it is entirely true, and possibly that peyote/mescaline or ayahuasca would have the same effect, and, yes, LSD. But please be suuuuper careful, especially in Clown Fentanyl World. Eat some tainted mushrooms and you will "wake up dead". Need to make sure of the source, etc.
EDIT: I would add three more things: 1. Marijuana is most likely not a good idea here, as Donny_Fiasco states. 2. Hypnosis can be very effective. and 3. Couple any treatment with heavy pre- and pro-biotics, as for an alcoholic, it is almost a surety that they have a gut imbalance.
This is true, but I am especially keying into "at all". Here's why:
Some folks go right into deep hypnosis (~30%). These folks can be helped very significantly by a hypnotist with their best interests in mind.
Some folks are "not hypnotizable". I would suggest that 70% of the population think they fall into this category, but it's actually more like 30%.
The rest of these folks are "suggestable." Meaning that I do think the suggestions given to people in a relaxed state can be impactful.
Also, 1) some hypnotists suck, so find a good one, and 2) there is more than one way to hypnotize, and one way might not work at all on a person, and another way might work extremely well.
Best of success.
I should add a final note: I am in the camp that there is no such thing as hypnosis. I am also in the camp that there is such a thing as self-hypnosis, and hypnotists are really just there to suggest your brain into initiating the protocol.
I know for a fact I am not hypnotizable. now pardon me while I go hop around my yard like a bunny...
Yes, that's part of it.
Some people can be hypnotized with "I know I can't hypnotize you", etc. It actually works.
Hypnosis is always to be avoided. Not a Christian… then have at it.
I'd wager early religious text and psalms are the first forms of hypnosis
I believe prayer is form of constructive self-hypnosis.
In any case, if one is worried about demons taking over, there are things you can do, if subjected to involuntary hypnosis. Remember that some of the MKUltra programming is hypnosis, so it is all around us, coming from our screens, so to speak.
There is a Bible passage about a woman desperately trying to touch the hem of Jesus' clothes in order to be healed (Mark 5). In this way, one can seek protection by strongly visualizing such an action. Remember that this passage is not about the clothes, but Jesus himself, and one's faith in him.
Asking for help from Jesus, Mary, or one of the angels to aid you, will work - because they will act as guardians. Also, demanding the name of the entity, and their intention, means they have to answer. Which will expose them.
All hypnosis is is asking your subconscious to talk to your conscious. If you think that opens the door for demons to step in or something, that's your call.
I mean, it kinda would. Opening up the mind to lower forms of thoughts is going to open up to all forms of spiritual interferance, both 'demonic' and 'holy'. It's like opening up the city gates to let in an entourage of people, versus vetting people in one at a time. Lot of trust that the bad won't come in with the good.
If you are averse to doing it, I support your decision. Not being sarcastic, here. People need to be comfortable with their decisions, and they know themselves best.
mushrooms and LSD make you look a life from a different perspective. Mushrooms show your connection to everything in the universe and LSD can let you look at yourself from a third person or "outside looking in". Both will change a life if ingested.
he has "drug" in quotes because it's completely naturally occurring, just like marijuana.
I figured the quotes were to disclude them from the rest of the mushroom community.
Yes because mushrooms are natural
There is a nonzero chance that hallucinogens can open doors to spirit realms as well, possibly including possession for some people. There are reasons old pagan priests used them.
I’ve heard both extremely good and extremely bad things out of this. Proceed with extreme caution.
Going by the parasite pill’s claims (look up the pdf), one potential cause of alcoholism is parasitic influence to gain access to food/fuel they thrive in.
https://greatawakening.win/p/17sOZdiWGW/the-parasite-pill-link-to-relate/c/
Prayer, fasting, and potentially anti-parasitics can all help. I’ve heard good results from following AA’s 12 step program. Don’t drink while taking anti-parasitics, fairly sure they tax the liver.
Never try to just quit alcohol. Nature abhors a vacuum, pulling it out without a replacement is indeed futile. The hole WILL be refilled. “With what” is a critical answer. The train of thought is not the wrong direction, there’s a good logic behind it, just need to tweak the course a bit more.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOXfzV_VHs
My broad take on any substance abuse is the underlying reason. If it’s used to suppress anxiety or pain and those remain unaddressed then eventually you are still prone to “relapse”. Maybe less damaging to liver to take cannabis so “better” in one way but if the underlying psychic demons persist are you on cannabis for life?
Agreed. Find out the “why.”
Truly the only long term solution so for many it is a lifelong struggle. Maybe view cannabis as a tool better suited for some than alcohol but a tool not a cure.
Agreed.
I have to wonder if the lifelong struggle is because someone never got down to the “why” and fixed that. Or never turned to the Source of our healing and strength.
Dunno, just thinking out loud.
Sometimes a short term fix is needed to get on the road to the long term one though. At least his body can start recovering while sorting out the rest of the issues.
Good point.
https://www.mindtools.com/a3mi00v/5-whys
I think “root cause” does require deep digging and removing psychological defenses. I do think individualized therapy is what is needed. The rehab industrial complex is not set up that way so they continue to use their preferred non therapeutic but profitable for them practices It’s the same business model as big pharma…manage symptoms
Totally agree. But cannabis is not a substance abuse drug to me. It's a cure for many things. Unlike legal alcohol and cigarettes
You need to use a combo of things for weed to switch out booze. Key points from my experience.
You need intermittent fasting. 16 hours over night. This will help you feel what you are doing to your body with booze and later weed. Take a few weeks to go from 12 per day to 16.
Weed before booze. Weed will impact booze and make it work better. Use this to drink less.
Limit amount of drinking and days of drinking. Work down to 1 drink per day, maybe 2 Friday/Saturday.
Further work down until you only drink Friday/Saturday.
You need 1 day with no drinks. So you can fell what it is like to not be hung over.
Time limit both. 4:20 pm until 6 PM is plenty of weed and booze.
Exercise
The day after drinking you will eat more and be hungrier in the morning. You are destroying your gut microbiome. Take kefir drink daily, plenty of water, and magnesium. Booze strips magnesium from your body.
You or the person that needs this. They need to buy into their reduction and recovery or it won't happen. You also have to be willing to set limits and mostly adhere to them. Look up deep research on mindfulness.
All it Took Was One Book for Nikki Glaser to Quit Drinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LUm51Z-Ii0
Thank you for all this info. There's some inspiring comments under the youtube video clip. One mentions the Allen Carr book. Seems worth looking into.
You don't need intermittent fasting, any type of caloric restriction will induce the cellular autophagy effects and what not as the body is reacting to the reduced calories. IF is just an alternative to counting calories, there's nothing magical about it but as it's very trendy right now of course fitness "gurus" are pushing it.
Actually a downside of excessive fasting not discussed is that it raises your risk of gallstones as your bile is sitting there longer in your gall bladder congealing rather than getting flushed out a few times a day. The people doing 3+ day water fasts and bragging about it online like it's some sort of contest have been learning this the hard way.
The stuff about adding electrolytes like magnesium is all true. Magnesium is used in so many bodily processes and a lot of issues including low-testosterone are side-effects of magnesium deficiency as that mineral is consumed to create it.
First I posted that this was my experience. Fasting has given me satiation, IE eating less/felling full.
Note I did not recommend 3 day fasting.
Fasting will help you feel what is going on with caffeine, booze and weed. If you are looking to quit booze you need to FEEL better. Fasting will help that contrast, and will help heal a fatty liver.
Counting macros accomplishes the same thing without feeling like you're starving.
I don't feel like I am starving. Helps heal gut, helps repair fatty liver, gives a big boost of energy.
I've never really been interested in alcohol or had any issues with it. I have a glass of wine once a month or so. I discover weed in my 30s and do love that and enjoy it every day. It has helped my life tremendously. I have heard of it helping many people get off of hard drugs and alcohol. Give it a shot, start slow.
Pot is more of a psychological dependence vs the physiological dependency that alcohol abuse and other drugs can create where your biochemistry is messed up. Nobody feels like they're going to die and gets physically sick if they don't have a puff for an extended period of time.
Well, I only have my mom to go by as far as tests go. Been an alcoholic for 40 years, still is, but according to her when she uses cannabis, in this case delta 8, she claims to have zero urge to drink and has significantly reduced how often she drinks. Take that for what you will.
No it's best to give up everything.
No I quit drinking 35 years ago and didn't replace it with anything,with God's help.
Amen.
People these days have a weak constitution.
If it satisfies the person, of course YES!
There has never been an 'overdose' of marijuana. Nor an addiction, ever with marijuana. Gateway drug? That is a mental decision to go further, the drug does not wear off forever, making you find something else, like opiates do.
It is natural. I don't like the food products and 'gummies' stuff. Just the 'flower' God gave us.
It can work, but it's also important to eat, to supplement with a multivitamin, and most importantly, listen to your body. Alcohol is hard to quit, but if you're determined, it can be done. Cannabis does work differently, but IMO it's way better than alcohol in a number of ways. Research cannabinoids also, there are tons of these compounds, and they work together in various ways.
Eliminating alcohol and switching to marijuana is a good first step. Marijuana can create its own problems, but by and large these are less devastating than those caused by alcohol.
Hyperemesis from cannabis is brutal. Cannabis is a false prophet
Yes. Cannabis use has some health benefits. Use of alcohol has no benefits.
I have known people who got off alcohol for good and stuck with smoking. If you can totally commit to the change it can work.
All you need is repentance and prayer.
I wish that were true. It's not me though, a loved one.
Making an effort to know Jesus Christ is the permanent fix. All other substances fog the mind. Jesus say He is the Word made flesh. Read the Scripture and get to know Christ. He alone is enough to help you and fix it.
High doses of Vitamin C really helps too. Liposomal is best.
Don't overpay for that, vitamin C is easily absorbed by the human body to begin with.
Probably depends person to person and a lot of other factors. If someone has an addictive personality it would probably become a substitute. I think it would be worth a try tho. I’ve never been addicted to alcohol but I would imagine it could help with withdraws if it was taken seriously by the individual.
if your a heavy drinker, you will probly go through the DTs.. weed dosent really help with that. but i used MMJ to get off vicoden & percoset after 10 years. and i still smoke for pain management & to help deal with all the stupid people out there.
think it's all about How it's used. if you have proper intent & don't over do it, it diminishes the desire for alcohol, helps to regulate stress, etc. people drink a lot where a live, becomes a habit that can be quite dangerous. the danger with MJ is overeating & overthinking, which for me is fine since I had no appetite after my TBI, and as for overthinking...sure some of my better research is because of MJ, helps to 'suspend disbelief'🐸
The breakthrough comes when you make up your mind...If you really dont want to quit you never will...most I know with addictions really had to hit rock bottom or almost rock bottom...the brain is a powerful tool...but it needs to believe you really want to quit too...and the brain also knows when your lying to yourself...theres no helping anybody that doesnt reallywant to quit ...and all the excuses and reasons to quit dont hold water ever when it comes to addictions...if your not being honest.
Fasting from everything not good for you. Not just alcohol. This will change your life. Just go for it and see what happens.
When I was seventeen I gave my grandmother weed. (I'm in my mid-sixties now) I thought instead of drinking, she could smoke. Anyway, she tried it and said no thank you. She would rather drink. Ten years later my grandmother died of cirrhosis of the liver.
Smoking anything is no healthier than drinking, just the damage is directed to the lungs instead.
Atleast with smoking you're more conscious of your deteriorating state, maybe giving more motivation to stop. (You feel your breath shortening over time, can you tell when your liver is hurting?)
maybe try psilocybin
Nope, they go together. Even coffee can trigger alcohol cravings. I sugguest fasting for a couple days (food / drink) only water, also take Dessicated beef liver or Nutritional Yeast because high B vitamins will reduce alcohol craving
He's actually doing the mega dose vitamin B with an orthomolecular guy, at my request. It does help and he was inordinately low on B complex which his apparently common for people predisposed to alcoholism and who have certain other disorders like bipolar or schizophrenia.
It's amazing how many people manage to address their depression by correcting a vitamin B deficiency. It doesn't make Big pHarma money so of course it's constantly downplayed that there are a lot of OTC and natural fixes for many issues.
I know! Went down this rabbit hole for personal reasons but it started with me finding out that my son's migraines were caused by a significant Magnesium deficiency. So much needs to be addressed with this stuff FIRST. But there's no money it it. If they do try to make vitamins prescription only, like HRC and Co. were talking about a few years back, I will go all out in a Holy War against these MFer's.
Fucking hilarious how the weed threads always blow up on GA. Goes to show the pothead tinfoil stereotype has some reason behind it haha.
If your a paranoid-type who smokes weed you're automatically on the brink of waking up. Comprehending the big picture past the propaganda is really easy when your high.
I seriously recommend smoking then listening to X22Report, it gives great "patriots are in control" comfy vibes.
dont listen to these folks. i was able to take a life long severe as in drinking mouthwash all day long alcoholic and transform him with weed. he cried, he begged and even piss and shit himself but the weed helped him cope. i took in a native street bum alcoholic and experimented to see if this premise would work. it did and a couple years later i bumped into him playing basketball with his nephew... sober and happy.
Says the handshake.
Look into the Sinclair method using naltrexone
this bud's for you!! kek!!!
Underrated comment LOL.
Lot of old timers at the club (AA) say it will trigger relapse and for some it does. My friend started smoking it because he had nausea and lack of appetite from his medication for his dying liver. My other friend is an addict, coke, fentynal, meth... and he relapsed because of weed and has to avoid it. I quit drinking and I smoke weed sometimes when I feel like it.
Pretty much depends on the person. Are you an alcoholic? I'm here if you need fren, I have some advice. Some say to avoid ANYTHING, no caffeine even but that's bullshit to me. Mushrooms, weed, LSD, red bull, coffee, pain killers... I can do anything without a problem. I have a problem with alcohol, nothing else. Women, angry people, bars, parties and idle time are way bigger triggers for me to want a drink. You may be different.
It's not me, a family member. I am out of suggestions I guess he just doesn't want to stop. Just lost a friend to this disease went to her memorial this weekend. I wouldn't wish this addiction on my worst enemy.
That's exactly it, you have to want it. First time I went a year sober because of a DUI, was always figuring out ways... had to "leave town" etc.
Second time I did it for others, pretended I wanted to be sober to get my family off my back about it.
Third time I really wanted it for myself, admitted I was powerless blah blah blah. Then my my brain started playing tricks on me. I started thinking that if I quit for a year I must not be an alcoholic, I can control it and just have a few beers when out to eat. Next day I'm grabbing a six-pack, day after a twelve pack and next thing you know you're hiding a bottle in your desk at work.
I go to AA now not because I need the steps, sponsor or fellowship to stay sober, I need to hear that guy crying because his wife took the kids and left or the guy who just got out of prison for running someone over while wasted. I need that reminder of how shitty my life could be if I cave into my desire. I am more productive, save a TON of money and don't feel like shit every morning now. I just tell everyone I'm allergic to alcohol when they invite me out, tell them I got tired of breaking out in handcuffs from too many drinks.
They gotta hit rock bottom usually to want to change, I'm fortunate that it didn't take me loosing everything to want sobriety.
I've never seen any addict not replace an addiction with another one. The goal is to make sure that replacement is less harmful.
In my experience, THC can be an effective replacement to alcohol from what I've observed. The key of course is to make sure they're not baked out of their mind every day for months on end.
But if you can get the person off alcohol and onto THC, that's certainly an upgrade. The key is to be supportive, get them a good therapist to help them identify and work on their problems.
But yeah, I would cautiously say that it can be an effective means of getting someone out of alcoholism, but obviously a lot of nuance involved. One of the biggest problems when someone moves off of an addiction is anxiety, and THC does a good job of controlling anxiety.
I've known somebody who was a hardcore alcoholic and is now a hardcore stoner. Vastly improved his life.
That being said he still has issues with overindulgence of pleasures, and still needs to work on responsible actions.
Don't replace one bad thing with another. Imagine what your life will be like if you continue to drink then imagine what your life could be like without it, make the choice and stick to it like your life depends on it because it probably does. I think most people have to find their 'rock bottom' to be able to do this. I just stopped, no rehab, a couple of AA visits to find out it wasn't for me and never looked back. I was a very bad drinker, complete insanity when I look back on it now. I think I've not had a drink for 4 years, not sure to be honest, I don't count, don't care. that part of my life is over. Anyone can do it if they put their mind to it.
It’s not me but thank you. I wish my person felt as you did. He says he does but his actions say otherwise
Everyone has to get to the point where they really want to change. Maybe they're not there yet. All you can do is be there for them when they are. What many people don't seem to realise is the sheer power of addiction, it's an extremely hard thing to quit and it's hard to comprehend without having experienced it but, when someone is ready to and they understand they have to make a choice and understand why they are making that choice I believe it can be quite easy. Be patient:)
Most people who turn to alcohol have underlying problems with depression and anxiety. These are caused by an imbalance in brain nutrients. Check out The Mood Cure Book by Julia Ross. The book is helpful to assess what type of mood issues you may have, and the natural supplements and amino acids that can rebalance your brain. When the brain is in balance, the craving for alcohol is diminished. Additionally, look for a holistic, naturopathic doctor or nutritionist for help with this. yes, there are probably free clinics or county alcohol addiction programs you can find to help with the problem. But the brain health path is going to be the answer. Marijuana tends to make people lethargic and apathetic, which can hinder you efforts to solve this alcohol problem. Julia Ross book and website is https://www.juliarosscures.com/practitioners/ ….. you can get the book on Amazon. It’s an older book, there are newer ones to check out also, such as “Depression Free Naturally” which suggest ways to get back in balance with nutrition and supplements. Yes, you can get some depression medication from a doctor, that might help a lot as a temporary fix, but check into the natural as well.
Nope. Marijuana is almost as destructive as alcohol. It's a primary cause of psychosis, and it's health benefits are overblown.
Now you might find some benefits with cannabis oil, to reduce inflammation, but even that wears off rapidly.
Replacing an addiction with another drug that makes you dependent on that also is insanity...just fucking quit drinking...
Not me but understood.
Pay attention to what has happened in Oregon.