One video of the exploding pagers. This was clearly not done with military precision against terrorists but looks like just another botched Zionist op.
It was as precise as it could be. No way of knowing where those pagers would be at the time of detonation, but it proves that Hamas/Hezbollah, and terrorists in general hide among the general population. That's the point of an insurgency, to hide amongst your enemies in full view of your enemies, in order to strike at your enemies from within.
It's real easy for people to arm chair QB this thing, especially those that have never fought a terrorist insurgent in their own land. I'm willing to bet, and actually do believe, that the vast majority of those pagers belonged to the terrorists.
Civilian casualties in a time of war suck, however, the Palestinians voted for Hamas to be their leaders. They are the only ones who can truly stop this mess, too. All they have to do is turn on their captor leaders and give them up or eliminate them. Until that happens, they will continue to take casualties and the rest of the world will continue to blame Israel for it.
To me, this is no different than us letting our leadership be infiltrated by our enemies and then turning a blind eye to their madness, which we've been doing since before I was born. So it's mighty hoity-toity of us to sit here half a world away and arm chair QB things when we have our own mess to clean up.
And I think this is why the Free Palestine movement, BLM, ANTIFA, etc exists. Everyone can see we have some major issues in the world, but no one wants to admit that it was WE, THE PEOPLE who allowed it to happen. So, we go around laying blame to everyone else but ourselves. Maybe if we, as a society, looked in the mirror more, we'd begin to see the hypocrisy of it all and actually work to bring the madness to an end.
Exactly. The way to stop this is for Hamas to surrender and Hezbollah to stop lobbing rockets and drones into Israel and move away from the border like they said they would. Problem solved.
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Yeah cause tons of civilians are using walkie-talkies
CIVILIANS USE CHEAPER AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE CALL PHONES.
A cheap pair of walkie talkies can be had for $20-$30. How much is a single cell phone bill.
I live and work in and around a lot of areas with zero cell reception. Walkie talkies can a necessity for people who don't live in urban centers.
I know plenty of parents whose kids play with walkie talkies.
You can hate Israel AND not be intellectually dishonest at the same time.
Blowing up civilians through sheer indifference doesn't stop being an evil act just because OUR GREATEST ALLY does it. It's intellectually dishonest to say it's ok to blow up civilians just because they were standing too close to some terrorist goat fucker.
If you think these guys are using cheap walking talkies and not encrypted digital ones then you are a royal fucknut.
They didn't blow up civilians. These were small devices with small explosive charges. Enough to hurt the person holding / wearing them. Like good old skool M-80s and quarter sticks.
Anyways enjoy your day of eating paste. I'm got adult things to do.
If you think these guys are using cheap walking talkies and not encrypted digital ones then you are a royal fucknut.
You seem upset, but then again it's almost midnight for you. I also never said they were using cheap walkie talkies. I said they exist and I know of people who use those cheap walkie talkies.
YOU bridged a gap that I did not.
They didn't blow up civilians
They didn't *directly* target civilians. They set off explosions, at random, in a large city area. Civilians were injured by explosions set off by Israel. This is shown with video evidence.
Since you're so smart go get (or make, they're not hard to put together) an "old skool m-80", put it on a table, stand two feet from it, light the fuse, wait there, video it while you wait, and post it.
Now go get some coffee, you need it after a typo like the following:
They're setting off bombs in a civilian area and they don't know where the bombs actually are, if there are innocent people near by, or what effect the explosion is going to have. That is, BY DEFINITION, not a targeted strike.
There have been literally thousands of explosions going off between pagers and other items (which have been detailed in other threads here) all over that city. We also know that the pager explosions were pretty much synchronized. I'm not even willing to entertain the argument that Israel waited for there to be no innocent people around because there's already videos of those pagers going off in stores and (the aftermath of) while people are driving.
Also, pajeets generally don't like muslims, something-something muslis trying to kill them. Indian and Pakistan have been threatening to nuke each other for decades now. I don't see an Indian activist woman going to bat for muslims.
Eli like I’m 5 I haven’t been paying attention. First:Were there explosives in the pagers? Or were they just overheated to make the batteries explode?
Second: pagers…they still make them?
They are made in china, like everything else. The Israelis paid the chinese to let them “fix” the devices. There are a couple of ounces of Semtex in each device, just enough to blow off a hand or a face. In a pocket could cause fatal injuries.
It looks to me like Hamas / Hezbollah are being paid back in their own coin.
Yes. Pagers are mostly used by hospital personnel because they can operate in areas of extremely low cell phone reception when you need to get ahold of someone ASAP (say, medical emergency).
I also know a couple of families that gave their kids pagers because they didn't want the kids to have smartphone-induced brain rot, but still wanted to be able to get ahold of them.
I haven't bothered to watch much about these pager bombs, other than headlines. This weapon isn't anything new in war. The success suggests that it was highly organized. Looks successful to me. I'll read more, but from my perspective, fairly precise mission.
before it even made it into any history book, it was considered a success.
in fact, the bombing of dresden is actually pretty widely criticized in history books, even today. but at the time it occurred, the military considered it a success.
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Also IDGAF about Israel. I hope both sides lose. But this was freaking genius and will go down in history as one of the greatest feats of irregular warfare in history.
Those camel fuckers won't trust another pager or cell phone for years. Their bodies are marked / disfigured so any countries that want to preclude them from entering their countries have a very easy job now too.
Those camel fuckers won't trust another pager or cell phone for years.
If you think this war we are fighting is between religions, then sadly, the Great Awakening will be as jarring to you as for any person still sleeping. This is a war of humanity vs the principalities that control us. Not people vs people.
Those of us who cross to the other side of the precipice with hate in our heart towards fellow humans - no matter whether its based on race, religion, gender, whatever - will be the fuel for Satan's next operation. Hopefully that fuel is as minimal as possible.
Yes, this is in large part a war between religions. God's truth vs Satan's lies.
Fact: all religions contradict each other.
Conclusion: Either all religions are false or ONE is true.
Which one do Q drops reference?
Only one, The Bible and the God of scripture.
God instructs us to hate the lies of the devil and evil.
The principalities run all the other religions.
The "camel fuckers" I referenced are followers of a totalitarian ideology called Islam which considers all other non-believers less than dogs, and they have a pretty fucking low opinion dogs.
Don't step to me about religion and awakening. My church wrote the amicus brief that overturned roe v Wade. I worked the cyber ninjas Arizona audit. I've made more "replacement" vaccine cards for Patriots than you can shake a stick at. I've been at this a LONG time.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and truth.
Where do you get truth from if you don't start with God?
Seriously.
Absolute truth presupposes the God of scripture. This is basic Vantillian presuppositional apologetics. If you reject the god of scripture then you can account for truth, laws of logic, the principle of induction or the basis for any argumentation.
Everything becomes subjective like a fool that builds his house upon the sand.
Let me make this bold assumption that your idea is that, the wisdom and truth from God gives you the right to judge other people based on their beliefs and actions.
But if you paid careful attention to the Gospels and to what Jesus actually taught us, it is not our place to judge others. Everyone will have to answer to the God when their time comes and it is between them and the God only.
Furthermore, your own judgements will be harsher if you have been judging your fellow human beings yourself.
I have seen far too many religious people who have followed religion for long times, and who end up falling in this trap that just because they understand the Truth, it gives them the right to judge others who haven't.
You see "camel fuckers" and no doubt you have other names for other people that you don't agree with.
But what I see are my fellow brothers and sisters - all as much loved by God as any of us here, still lost and still yet to find their way to the Truth.
The whole reason this Q operation had to take this long and had to be this painful was precisely because we didn't want to lose half the humanity. Because we want to save as many people as we can.
God gives you the right to judge other people based on their beliefs and actions.
Yes. He instructs us to based upon His standards. In fact scripture says the saints will even judge the angels.
But if you paid careful attention to the Gospels and to what Jesus actually taught us, it is not our place to judge others.
Oof. You just made a very foolish assertion. First you judged me for judging. Hypocrite? Or maybe you have a poor understanding of what Jesus was saying there and it's you that didn't pay attention to God's Word.
Let me help you out...
Jesus' teaching about judging others, particularly in the Sermon on the Mount, is often misunderstood to imply that Christians should never judge at all. However, when we examine His words in the context of Scripture, it becomes clear that Jesus was instructing His followers to judge righteously, according to God's standards, and not by human or superficial measures. Here's a case for this understanding:
Jesus' Teachings on Judging
Matthew 7:1-5:
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?... First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
Explanation: At first glance, it seems Jesus is telling us not to judge at all. However, He goes on to say that we must first examine ourselves (remove the "log" in our own eye), so we can "see clearly" to help our brother. This implies that judgment, when done humbly and righteously, is part of our responsibility. We are not called to judge hypocritically or by human standards, but rather with humility, after self-reflection.
John 7:24:
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
Explanation: Here, Jesus directly commands His followers to judge, but He clarifies that the judgment must not be superficial or based on appearances. Instead, we are called to judge rightly, which is to judge according to God's standards, in truth and righteousness.
Other Scriptures on Judging with God's Standards
1 Corinthians 5:12-13:
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'"
Explanation: The Apostle Paul instructs the church to exercise judgment within the body of believers, using God's moral standards to hold one another accountable. This shows that Christians are not only permitted but required to judge sinful behavior within the church.
1 Corinthians 2:15:
"The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one."
Explanation: A person who lives by the Spirit, walking in accordance with God's Word, is called to judge all things spiritually. This means discerning between good and evil, truth and falsehood, based on God's standards, not man's.
Matthew 18:15-17:
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother."
Explanation: This passage shows Jesus' instruction on dealing with sin within the community. Here, we see that confronting someone about their sin—essentially making a judgment—is a loving and necessary act for restoring the sinner. This judgment must be done in alignment with God's law.
Galatians 6:1:
"Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness."
Explanation: This verse emphasizes the need for judgment to be done in gentleness and humility, reflecting God's character. It is not a harsh, self-righteous judgment, but rather a righteous judgment aimed at restoration.
The Case for Judging by God's Standards
Throughout Scripture, Jesus and the Apostles call believers to exercise judgment, but always in accordance with God's righteous standards, not human or hypocritical standards. Here are the key reasons:
God's Law is the Ultimate Standard: Christians are called to uphold God's commandments and discern between right and wrong based on His Word, not cultural trends or personal preferences (Isaiah 5:20). Jesus Himself, in John 8:15-16, said, "You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me."
Judgment Begins with Self-Reflection: Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 7 is not a prohibition on all forms of judgment but a call to begin with humility and self-reflection before judging others. This prevents hypocrisy and ensures that judgment is grounded in righteousness, not personal pride.
Judging to Restore and Protect the Community: Scriptural examples, such as in Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5, show that Christians must judge in order to maintain the purity of the church and to restore those who have gone astray.
Conclusion
Jesus did not condemn all forms of judgment but warned against hypocritical and unrighteous judgment. Christians are called to judge rightly, meaning according to God's standards—His Word and law. This judgment must be exercised in humility, with a heart toward restoration, and in the fear of the Lord. Other scriptures confirm that Christians have the responsibility to judge sin within the church and to discern truth from error, always in accordance with God’s revealed truth.
So maybe tone it down a notch. Your position was obviously hypocritical with just basic logic applied AND completely wrong with a cursory look at the totality of scripture. You literally can't even preach the gospel without judgement. This is super basic stuff and not exactly deep theological dogma.
Its different when things happen on another countries soil, our governments say, "its ok for them to kill "terrorists" to protect themselves " yet we cannot do the same for ourselves against mass invasion and terrorism, because they are all poor refugees and must not say otherwise.
My country has terror cells lying in wait, I'd welcome my gov detonating a device on all of them. My gov loves them more than our own people and I could get 2 years in prison just for saying that at the moment.
The elites and muzzys do evil to us all the time, I like the idea of a bit of recompense coming back to them.
They will do that to us, look at the the clot shot for example, but you think fighting back against our enemies is beneath you? You think you're too good to sully yourself with thoughts of vengeance.
I don't, I'm willing to fight for what is mine, how about you grovel on your knees and ask them to leave you alone.
The satanists and the islamists are both death cults, that do not value life! I'm glad a lot of muslims got their dicks blown off yesterday.
My theory is that Israeli military and intelligence must have decided to take this drastic step because they know what is coming. So, the objective was to cripple Hiezbollah structure enough where they could not counter strike. But I think what is going to happen is that Hezbollah takes some drastic steps of their own and chart a course that is unprecedented as well.
On other sites that I frequent, normie type sites, you would not believe all the cheerleading war mongers rooting on this action by Isreal. These are the same folks who showed their unwavering support for Ukraine and we need to protect our democracy, and on and on about how Putin invaded a helpless country. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Isreal start this shit show?
The stand down of border security for 7 hours on Oct 7th tells me the Isreali PTB picked a fight with Hamas by letting them in to do the dirty and the IDF chopper pilots joined in the slaughter that day. So, for me?? No memory hole of this and never forget Isreals "9-11" was an inside job and so long as the US provides war supplies, we are part and parcel of the genocide. 😒
I find it hard to watch. If people cheer on the global Luciferian regime when it murders people in the Middle East how can we then pray and ask God to free us from that same global regime?
At times I wonder if the reason we suffer so badly in Western countries is because the Luciferians get us to cheer them on when they murder in the ME. Then, what they think is karma, but is actual God, punishes us by allowing the Luciferians to brutalize us as well.
We don't have to become a part of the group thinkers that cheer on acts of war whether we take sides or not. Until it comes to my door I will pray for peace while stocking up on ammo.
Let’s talk about the good ole USA, who does its Govt consider to be “terrorists”?…it is quite often that we hear them refer to J6 attendees as domestic terrorists…so at what point will they deem it ok to start eliminating domestic terrorists?…this is where we are headed folks!!!!
Who knows if Hezbollah aren't the same as J6ers, people who are just resisting the Saturnian global regime. We know how much the deep state lies, so it is hard to know with Hezbollah.
I think this kind of attack as profoundly disturbing. It’s like the poisoning of the COVID 19 Vaccines, the corruption of our medical/pharmacuetical system, the poisoning of our food supply, the poisoning of our sky & the air we breathe. Some very sick minds are in control of doing things that are so purely evil. Don’t misunderstand me, I am not supporting the Islamic peoples terrorizing Israeli people either. I think they are both bloodthirsty tribes.
From the videos I saw, these devices maimed the person carrying it. They were not bombs that caused a lot of collateral/human damage. I am sure that did happen here and there, but nthe way this guy makes it sound.
As far as a tactic goes, when your enemy is not in a nice, compact regiment marching along and easy to identify, but is instead an amorphous group of soldiers hidden among the people (and using them as shields), it's a pretty focused tactic.
Exactly. It's the quickest way to take them out with minimal harm to civilians or service members. But I'm sure there's not much profit in doing this as there is to selling stockpiles of weapons.
I notice that the guy speaking in the first part of the video makes NO mention of innocent Israeli women and children killed in random Hezbollah attacks on Israel. Hmmm, so only Hezbollah lives matter?
Need I say more? Israelis are pros at false flags.
Now, let's look at some real events -- the 2006 war:
According to Human Rights Watch (HRW), “the conflict resulted in at least 1,109 Lebanese deaths — the vast majority of whom were civilians — 4,399 injured, and an estimated one million displaced.”
Forty-three Israeli civilians died — mostly from Hezbollah rocket fire — and 117 Israeli soldiers were killed in the conflict.
Or just look at the current ongoing battle between Hezbos and Israel. Hezbollah has a MUCH cleaner record than Israel when it comes to soldiers vs civilians killed.
Yada yada yada, this war has been going on for centuries, and opinions on this site won't change it one iota. Long before Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Liberation Front, before Isreal was established.... these wars predate all of that. And unless nukes are used, it will be going on after all of us are gone.
Yeah, I'm fully aware of drop 916, and after all these years no one still knows what it means. It's like a Rorschach Inkblot Test... you see in it what you want to see. So I'm not sure that phrase means what you think it means.
Before cheering on the remotely activated "human deactivator" among the general public, think about the broader implications of how governments identify and handle those in the population they deem a threat to safety.
Anti Maskers
Anti Covid clot shotters
Anti Lockdown
Anti Censorship of their definition of "Disinformation"
Anti "Renewables" Compliance
If you like the idea of civilian spaces being treated as the battlefield, then good luck when your behaviors, beliefs, or speech make you a state target. A state with the tech to target however they deem fit.
The battery in the Motorola Pager
(https://www.google.com/search q=motorola+pager+batttery+specs&safe=active&sca_esv=e9ea40622f6d2cac&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIKii2HCmuVgtTdQcQETAzDLdP19Eg%3A1726668235086&ei=y93qZojyBNqdptQP2dr96AE&ved=0ahUKEwjIg7C21MyIAxXajokEHVltHx0Q4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=motorola+pager+batttery+specs&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHW1vdG9yb2xhIHBhZ2VyIGJhdHR0ZXJ5IHNwZWNzMgoQIRigARjDBBgKMgQQIRgKSM4qUIYJWNQacAF4AZABAJgBhAKgAZQNqgEFMC40LjS4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgagAvAHwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICCBAhGKABGMMEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcFMS4zLjKgB8Ei&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)
is 500mAH, which is about a third of an Energizer AA Lithium Battery (1700 mAH).
I wonder if a select few were packed with some C-4, as the energy in the battery is insufficient to do a lot of damage.
The general thinking on this is that the shipments from Taiwan were intercepted, and the devices were packed with small amounts of RDX, HMX, PETN, or other modern explosive compound, along with a switch that could be activated ONLY by a specific coded signal....and then were returned to the supply line and ultimately delivered to the people who placed the order. There must have been a "DELAY IN SHIPMENT" at some point, while the devices were turned into weapons.
It doesn't take much PETN or C4 or RDX to injure or kill someone if the charge is placed ON the body...like a pager or walkie-talkie. All it needs is about 0.5 to 1.0 oz of the stuff detonated close to their bodies and it will do significant damage to that person.
My guess, which seems to be backed up with recent news - Somebody bought a bunch of Motorola Pagers, then modified them. They added a high explosive (oxidizer is part of the explosive propellent) to the pager, such that it would behave normally. The explosive would go off when a "special" message was sent, otherwise behave normally.
These pagers were then secretly distributed to Hezbollah and were then given to their members. A generic message preceded the "special message" by a few seconds, so that the Hezbollah member would take the pager out and look at it.
This action was replicated today, using hand-held radios (which could likely contain a higher mass of high explosives). Seems pretty targeted to me, and the targeting of the enemy (vs launching random missiles into Israel) seems like a good use of technology.
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
I was on a walk with my dogs a few years back, when all of a sudden, they decided that we were going to the side of the road and into the woods. What they had alerted to was a dog that had its leg caught in a snare meant to catch the wild boar that inhabit this area. I was able to set the dog free and left it here to its own devices. A few weeks later I saw the same dog being walked by one of my neighbors. It was missing most of the leg that had got caught in the snare. Snares don’t discriminate.
No, snares don't discriminate, but then snares aren't worn by the intended victim on their belts either. Pagers and walkie-talkies DO discriminate, however, as they are carried by the very person being targeted. By military measures, this was a highly effective strike with only minimal collateral damage. I'm still in awe as to how precise this strike was.
Agreed. It’s a win. Also, haven’t the people on this board, the fuck learned not to jump to conclusions on operations that could easily be false flag missions. There’s no proof at all Israel did this yet. Finally, too many Death to Israel goofs here. Soon as Israel is convicted of the crimes they suggest I’ll be the first to call for a rope but until then, I think most of you are just Hezbollah with one less pager in your inventory.
The terrorists were the only ones with the pagers. Don't be fooled by the media bullshit. If they went into the civilian areas, they were responsible, just like Hamas using hospitals as bases. They don't care about their own people!
Hamas doesn't use hospitals as bases. Don't let the devil's propaganda fool you.
The Hezbos didn't know they were carrying remote-controlled bombs that could detonate while they were picking up groceries, so the onus is not on them.
Killing unarmed combatants (assuming they all were), far from the front lines, is certainly some sort of war crime.
In this day and age, and on this forum, if you still use the used-and-abused mass propaganda "terrorist" label, you need to check your brain.
You are an apologist for terrorists. That makes you a terrier.
I happen to know from a friend who was in the IDF that they do, in fact, use hospitals and schools as bases. They don’t care if their civilians get killed and, quite frankly, neither do I.
As yes, classic hearsay. mUH teRroRisM. Please grow out of your programming. Sounds like you're posting from Tel Aviv. Are you one of the dancing Israelis?
One video of the exploding pagers. This was clearly not done with military precision against terrorists but looks like just another botched Zionist op.
https://x.com/EricRSammons/status/1836086098809733127/video/1
That's the way I feel about it too.
In any case, I don't trust the Israeli services to define who are terrorists. They have a bad track record of it.
Well, they are terrorists as well…
A t3rror1st is simply anyone they don't like and, often, is just someone who has rightfully criticized them.
It was as precise as it could be. No way of knowing where those pagers would be at the time of detonation, but it proves that Hamas/Hezbollah, and terrorists in general hide among the general population. That's the point of an insurgency, to hide amongst your enemies in full view of your enemies, in order to strike at your enemies from within.
It's real easy for people to arm chair QB this thing, especially those that have never fought a terrorist insurgent in their own land. I'm willing to bet, and actually do believe, that the vast majority of those pagers belonged to the terrorists.
Civilian casualties in a time of war suck, however, the Palestinians voted for Hamas to be their leaders. They are the only ones who can truly stop this mess, too. All they have to do is turn on their captor leaders and give them up or eliminate them. Until that happens, they will continue to take casualties and the rest of the world will continue to blame Israel for it.
To me, this is no different than us letting our leadership be infiltrated by our enemies and then turning a blind eye to their madness, which we've been doing since before I was born. So it's mighty hoity-toity of us to sit here half a world away and arm chair QB things when we have our own mess to clean up.
And I think this is why the Free Palestine movement, BLM, ANTIFA, etc exists. Everyone can see we have some major issues in the world, but no one wants to admit that it was WE, THE PEOPLE who allowed it to happen. So, we go around laying blame to everyone else but ourselves. Maybe if we, as a society, looked in the mirror more, we'd begin to see the hypocrisy of it all and actually work to bring the madness to an end.
Terrorists are a Zionist creation. Like an ouroboros, the Satanic snake eats itself.
Imagine thinking that a place like Palestine has legit elections when we can't even have them in the United States.
Exactly. The way to stop this is for Hamas to surrender and Hezbollah to stop lobbing rockets and drones into Israel and move away from the border like they said they would. Problem solved.
^this.
OP is trying to redefine "terrorism"
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Lebanon is not to be confused with Palestine.
Pagers were not the only civilian devices that were booby-trapped, but reportedly also walkie-talkies, home solar energy equipment, etc.
"booby-traps are banned under international law. “Weaponizing an object used by civilians is strictly prohibited,”
Source: https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah-syria-ce6af3c2e6de0a0dddfae48634278288
"Walkie-talkies and other devices exploded at a funeral for Hezbollah leaders"
Yeah cause tons of civilians are using walkie-talkies and not cell phones./s
I'll say it again.... CIVILIANS USE CHEAPER AND MORE READILY AVAILABLE CALL PHONES.
These pagers were NOT being sold at stores, they were passed out to Hezbollah members.
This clearly falls in the category of military equipment.
You can hate Israel AND not be intellectually dishonest at the same time.
A cheap pair of walkie talkies can be had for $20-$30. How much is a single cell phone bill.
I live and work in and around a lot of areas with zero cell reception. Walkie talkies can a necessity for people who don't live in urban centers.
I know plenty of parents whose kids play with walkie talkies.
Blowing up civilians through sheer indifference doesn't stop being an evil act just because OUR GREATEST ALLY does it. It's intellectually dishonest to say it's ok to blow up civilians just because they were standing too close to some terrorist goat fucker.
Holy category error batman.!
If you think these guys are using cheap walking talkies and not encrypted digital ones then you are a royal fucknut.
They didn't blow up civilians. These were small devices with small explosive charges. Enough to hurt the person holding / wearing them. Like good old skool M-80s and quarter sticks.
Anyways enjoy your day of eating paste. I'm got adult things to do.
You seem upset, but then again it's almost midnight for you. I also never said they were using cheap walkie talkies. I said they exist and I know of people who use those cheap walkie talkies.
YOU bridged a gap that I did not.
They didn't *directly* target civilians. They set off explosions, at random, in a large city area. Civilians were injured by explosions set off by Israel. This is shown with video evidence.
Since you're so smart go get (or make, they're not hard to put together) an "old skool m-80", put it on a table, stand two feet from it, light the fuse, wait there, video it while you wait, and post it.
Now go get some coffee, you need it after a typo like the following:
I'm got adult things to do, too.
Home appliances....
https://x.com/RituRathaur/status/1836474741802303919
Two week later... how's this working out?
https://x.com/RituRathaur/status/1836474741802303919
Now home appliances are exploding. Is this still "as targeted as can be"?
Okay first of all A woman in India isn't really a 1st hand account of what's going on.
Secondly.. what appliances exactly?
I'm open to being wrong but I'm gonna need some better sources and clear details.
I hope we can agree the other side has a HUGE interest in making this seem like it's more than a targeted strikes for optics.
They're setting off bombs in a civilian area and they don't know where the bombs actually are, if there are innocent people near by, or what effect the explosion is going to have. That is, BY DEFINITION, not a targeted strike.
There have been literally thousands of explosions going off between pagers and other items (which have been detailed in other threads here) all over that city. We also know that the pager explosions were pretty much synchronized. I'm not even willing to entertain the argument that Israel waited for there to be no innocent people around because there's already videos of those pagers going off in stores and (the aftermath of) while people are driving.
Also, pajeets generally don't like muslims, something-something muslis trying to kill them. Indian and Pakistan have been threatening to nuke each other for decades now. I don't see an Indian activist woman going to bat for muslims.
Lol hardly. I can't stand Israel. Who am I rooting for? None of the above. I hope they all lose.
But I'm not such an intellectually dishonest fucktard that I need to redefine words or misrepresent those that I dislike. I have integrity.
You should try it.
Eli like I’m 5 I haven’t been paying attention. First:Were there explosives in the pagers? Or were they just overheated to make the batteries explode? Second: pagers…they still make them?
Thanks for your time anon.
They are made in china, like everything else. The Israelis paid the chinese to let them “fix” the devices. There are a couple of ounces of Semtex in each device, just enough to blow off a hand or a face. In a pocket could cause fatal injuries.
It looks to me like Hamas / Hezbollah are being paid back in their own coin.
They were made under license in Hungary. So battery was easily swapped if not the entire pcb/ internals.
Remember these had to be made to pass a random inspection and make it through customs.
Just think that Isreal happily sent 5,000 mini bombs through airports and possibly on civilian flights.
Both sides are terrorists who will stop at nothing to kill each other.
Yep and the Israeli’s invented this kind of terrorism in the 1940s and the terrorist organization that is the US deep state has enabled it ever since.
Gracias
De nada, amig (I just made that up for fren en espanol!).
Lol
Yes. Pagers are mostly used by hospital personnel because they can operate in areas of extremely low cell phone reception when you need to get ahold of someone ASAP (say, medical emergency).
I also know a couple of families that gave their kids pagers because they didn't want the kids to have smartphone-induced brain rot, but still wanted to be able to get ahold of them.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. Have a great day!
I haven't bothered to watch much about these pager bombs, other than headlines. This weapon isn't anything new in war. The success suggests that it was highly organized. Looks successful to me. I'll read more, but from my perspective, fairly precise mission.
If it was fairly precise mission, I would think that you wouldn't see them exploding in supermarkets with people around.
Dresden was also considered a successful military op. just depends on the military, and their definition of "precise" and "success"
Yes. And who writes the history books.
before it even made it into any history book, it was considered a success.
in fact, the bombing of dresden is actually pretty widely criticized in history books, even today. but at the time it occurred, the military considered it a success.
The military patting itself on the back, you say?
i think in general we have higher standards about civilian casualties now than most sides did in WW2.
in this case its hard to say whether it was a misfire, or Israel just wasn't prioritizing civilian safety. neither would surprise me, really
^
Precise operations don't have hundreds of explosions going off in civilian areas.
OP is trying to redefine "terrorism"
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
Also IDGAF about Israel. I hope both sides lose. But this was freaking genius and will go down in history as one of the greatest feats of irregular warfare in history.
Those camel fuckers won't trust another pager or cell phone for years. Their bodies are marked / disfigured so any countries that want to preclude them from entering their countries have a very easy job now too.
Finally, some sense! Thank you.
If you think this war we are fighting is between religions, then sadly, the Great Awakening will be as jarring to you as for any person still sleeping. This is a war of humanity vs the principalities that control us. Not people vs people.
Anon, you really need to let this Q drop sink in:
u/#q563
Those of us who cross to the other side of the precipice with hate in our heart towards fellow humans - no matter whether its based on race, religion, gender, whatever - will be the fuel for Satan's next operation. Hopefully that fuel is as minimal as possible.
Yes, this is in large part a war between religions. God's truth vs Satan's lies.
Fact: all religions contradict each other.
Conclusion: Either all religions are false or ONE is true.
Which one do Q drops reference?
Only one, The Bible and the God of scripture.
God instructs us to hate the lies of the devil and evil.
The principalities run all the other religions.
The "camel fuckers" I referenced are followers of a totalitarian ideology called Islam which considers all other non-believers less than dogs, and they have a pretty fucking low opinion dogs.
Don't step to me about religion and awakening. My church wrote the amicus brief that overturned roe v Wade. I worked the cyber ninjas Arizona audit. I've made more "replacement" vaccine cards for Patriots than you can shake a stick at. I've been at this a LONG time.
Wow, you did all that but didn't understand the simple truth. Good luck fren and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and truth.
Where do you get truth from if you don't start with God?
Seriously.
Absolute truth presupposes the God of scripture. This is basic Vantillian presuppositional apologetics. If you reject the god of scripture then you can account for truth, laws of logic, the principle of induction or the basis for any argumentation.
Everything becomes subjective like a fool that builds his house upon the sand.
"Truth" starts with God and His Word.
Let me make this bold assumption that your idea is that, the wisdom and truth from God gives you the right to judge other people based on their beliefs and actions.
But if you paid careful attention to the Gospels and to what Jesus actually taught us, it is not our place to judge others. Everyone will have to answer to the God when their time comes and it is between them and the God only.
Furthermore, your own judgements will be harsher if you have been judging your fellow human beings yourself.
I have seen far too many religious people who have followed religion for long times, and who end up falling in this trap that just because they understand the Truth, it gives them the right to judge others who haven't.
You see "camel fuckers" and no doubt you have other names for other people that you don't agree with.
But what I see are my fellow brothers and sisters - all as much loved by God as any of us here, still lost and still yet to find their way to the Truth.
The whole reason this Q operation had to take this long and had to be this painful was precisely because we didn't want to lose half the humanity. Because we want to save as many people as we can.
Yes. He instructs us to based upon His standards. In fact scripture says the saints will even judge the angels.
Oof. You just made a very foolish assertion. First you judged me for judging. Hypocrite? Or maybe you have a poor understanding of what Jesus was saying there and it's you that didn't pay attention to God's Word.
Let me help you out...
Jesus' teaching about judging others, particularly in the Sermon on the Mount, is often misunderstood to imply that Christians should never judge at all. However, when we examine His words in the context of Scripture, it becomes clear that Jesus was instructing His followers to judge righteously, according to God's standards, and not by human or superficial measures. Here's a case for this understanding:
Jesus' Teachings on Judging
Explanation: At first glance, it seems Jesus is telling us not to judge at all. However, He goes on to say that we must first examine ourselves (remove the "log" in our own eye), so we can "see clearly" to help our brother. This implies that judgment, when done humbly and righteously, is part of our responsibility. We are not called to judge hypocritically or by human standards, but rather with humility, after self-reflection.
Explanation: Here, Jesus directly commands His followers to judge, but He clarifies that the judgment must not be superficial or based on appearances. Instead, we are called to judge rightly, which is to judge according to God's standards, in truth and righteousness.
Other Scriptures on Judging with God's Standards
Explanation: The Apostle Paul instructs the church to exercise judgment within the body of believers, using God's moral standards to hold one another accountable. This shows that Christians are not only permitted but required to judge sinful behavior within the church.
Explanation: A person who lives by the Spirit, walking in accordance with God's Word, is called to judge all things spiritually. This means discerning between good and evil, truth and falsehood, based on God's standards, not man's.
Explanation: This passage shows Jesus' instruction on dealing with sin within the community. Here, we see that confronting someone about their sin—essentially making a judgment—is a loving and necessary act for restoring the sinner. This judgment must be done in alignment with God's law.
Explanation: This verse emphasizes the need for judgment to be done in gentleness and humility, reflecting God's character. It is not a harsh, self-righteous judgment, but rather a righteous judgment aimed at restoration.
The Case for Judging by God's Standards
Throughout Scripture, Jesus and the Apostles call believers to exercise judgment, but always in accordance with God's righteous standards, not human or hypocritical standards. Here are the key reasons:
God's Law is the Ultimate Standard: Christians are called to uphold God's commandments and discern between right and wrong based on His Word, not cultural trends or personal preferences (Isaiah 5:20). Jesus Himself, in John 8:15-16, said, "You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me."
Judgment Begins with Self-Reflection: Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 7 is not a prohibition on all forms of judgment but a call to begin with humility and self-reflection before judging others. This prevents hypocrisy and ensures that judgment is grounded in righteousness, not personal pride.
Judging to Restore and Protect the Community: Scriptural examples, such as in Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5, show that Christians must judge in order to maintain the purity of the church and to restore those who have gone astray.
Conclusion
Jesus did not condemn all forms of judgment but warned against hypocritical and unrighteous judgment. Christians are called to judge rightly, meaning according to God's standards—His Word and law. This judgment must be exercised in humility, with a heart toward restoration, and in the fear of the Lord. Other scriptures confirm that Christians have the responsibility to judge sin within the church and to discern truth from error, always in accordance with God’s revealed truth.
So maybe tone it down a notch. Your position was obviously hypocritical with just basic logic applied AND completely wrong with a cursory look at the totality of scripture. You literally can't even preach the gospel without judgement. This is super basic stuff and not exactly deep theological dogma.
Terrorist state israel. That could have been your child getting killed in the checkout next to a person with one of the pagers.
Its different when things happen on another countries soil, our governments say, "its ok for them to kill "terrorists" to protect themselves " yet we cannot do the same for ourselves against mass invasion and terrorism, because they are all poor refugees and must not say otherwise.
My country has terror cells lying in wait, I'd welcome my gov detonating a device on all of them. My gov loves them more than our own people and I could get 2 years in prison just for saying that at the moment.
How do you prove that only they had possession of them?
Who scrutinizes the actions? Who ensures that the targeted are the ones that are guilty as accused?
There is a requirement of trust there that no one should have at present.
They could just as easily nuke an innocent Trump supporter like this, and say "oh he was a terrorist". You'd eat that up?
The elites and muzzys do evil to us all the time, I like the idea of a bit of recompense coming back to them.
They will do that to us, look at the the clot shot for example, but you think fighting back against our enemies is beneath you? You think you're too good to sully yourself with thoughts of vengeance.
I don't, I'm willing to fight for what is mine, how about you grovel on your knees and ask them to leave you alone.
The satanists and the islamists are both death cults, that do not value life! I'm glad a lot of muslims got their dicks blown off yesterday.
allah IS satan!
That's an awful lot of words that had fuck all to do with what I said.
Gee, I wonder what's in those polio vaccines they sent over to Gaza.
Probably the same shit they put in the COVID vaccines.
Those children will likely not produce offspring.
My theory is that Israeli military and intelligence must have decided to take this drastic step because they know what is coming. So, the objective was to cripple Hiezbollah structure enough where they could not counter strike. But I think what is going to happen is that Hezbollah takes some drastic steps of their own and chart a course that is unprecedented as well.
This isn't going to end well at all.
On other sites that I frequent, normie type sites, you would not believe all the cheerleading war mongers rooting on this action by Isreal. These are the same folks who showed their unwavering support for Ukraine and we need to protect our democracy, and on and on about how Putin invaded a helpless country. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Isreal start this shit show?
The stand down of border security for 7 hours on Oct 7th tells me the Isreali PTB picked a fight with Hamas by letting them in to do the dirty and the IDF chopper pilots joined in the slaughter that day. So, for me?? No memory hole of this and never forget Isreals "9-11" was an inside job and so long as the US provides war supplies, we are part and parcel of the genocide. 😒
I find it hard to watch. If people cheer on the global Luciferian regime when it murders people in the Middle East how can we then pray and ask God to free us from that same global regime?
At times I wonder if the reason we suffer so badly in Western countries is because the Luciferians get us to cheer them on when they murder in the ME. Then, what they think is karma, but is actual God, punishes us by allowing the Luciferians to brutalize us as well.
We don't have to become a part of the group thinkers that cheer on acts of war whether we take sides or not. Until it comes to my door I will pray for peace while stocking up on ammo.
Let’s talk about the good ole USA, who does its Govt consider to be “terrorists”?…it is quite often that we hear them refer to J6 attendees as domestic terrorists…so at what point will they deem it ok to start eliminating domestic terrorists?…this is where we are headed folks!!!!
Who knows if Hezbollah aren't the same as J6ers, people who are just resisting the Saturnian global regime. We know how much the deep state lies, so it is hard to know with Hezbollah.
didnt all the illegals get free phones?? things that make you go hmmmmm
No, the Obama phones aren't bombs.
The deep state hates US, not the invaders they are flooding us with.
Never forget that they hate US
I think this kind of attack as profoundly disturbing. It’s like the poisoning of the COVID 19 Vaccines, the corruption of our medical/pharmacuetical system, the poisoning of our food supply, the poisoning of our sky & the air we breathe. Some very sick minds are in control of doing things that are so purely evil. Don’t misunderstand me, I am not supporting the Islamic peoples terrorizing Israeli people either. I think they are both bloodthirsty tribes.
From the videos I saw, these devices maimed the person carrying it. They were not bombs that caused a lot of collateral/human damage. I am sure that did happen here and there, but nthe way this guy makes it sound.
As far as a tactic goes, when your enemy is not in a nice, compact regiment marching along and easy to identify, but is instead an amorphous group of soldiers hidden among the people (and using them as shields), it's a pretty focused tactic.
As a precedent, it's very scary.
Exactly. It's the quickest way to take them out with minimal harm to civilians or service members. But I'm sure there's not much profit in doing this as there is to selling stockpiles of weapons.
This only incites more war and destruction, and wasting American taxpayers' money on senseless wars.
The only one who wins here is the deep state and the noses.
If the roles were reverse, would the US condemn the attacks? Yes. So why aren't they now?
When people lob rounds into your community daily for years? That is terrorism. Their target was the terrorists.
Americans don't have a serious muslim problem yet, Europe has had a small taste of what Israel gets daily.
I notice that the guy speaking in the first part of the video makes NO mention of innocent Israeli women and children killed in random Hezbollah attacks on Israel. Hmmm, so only Hezbollah lives matter?
Einhorn is FInkel.
That never happened, but nice try.
Fyi, Hezbollah has a much cleaner soldier to civilians ratio than Israel. Look it up.
This took me 3 seconds to find: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/dont-forget-or-deny-hezbollahs-brutal-crimes
There are more, but in the interest of brevity and timeliness...
(((Matthew Levitt)))
Need I say more? Israelis are pros at false flags.
Now, let's look at some real events -- the 2006 war:
Or just look at the current ongoing battle between Hezbos and Israel. Hezbollah has a MUCH cleaner record than Israel when it comes to soldiers vs civilians killed.
Yada yada yada, this war has been going on for centuries, and opinions on this site won't change it one iota. Long before Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Liberation Front, before Isreal was established.... these wars predate all of that. And unless nukes are used, it will be going on after all of us are gone.
But in the meantime, I'm siding with Isreal.
The Israeli mind virus is deep.
You'll be reprogrammed in due time.. Saving Israel for last.
Yeah, I'm fully aware of drop 916, and after all these years no one still knows what it means. It's like a Rorschach Inkblot Test... you see in it what you want to see. So I'm not sure that phrase means what you think it means.
If you're fully awake, then surely you know about the Israeli blackmail, assassinations and psyops to ruin the West.
Before cheering on the remotely activated "human deactivator" among the general public, think about the broader implications of how governments identify and handle those in the population they deem a threat to safety.
Anti Maskers
Anti Covid clot shotters
Anti Lockdown
Anti Censorship of their definition of "Disinformation"
Anti "Renewables" Compliance
If you like the idea of civilian spaces being treated as the battlefield, then good luck when your behaviors, beliefs, or speech make you a state target. A state with the tech to target however they deem fit.
Remember that the zionists invented “explosive” terrorism in the 1940s and have been perfecting ever since.
Israel continues to think out of the box.
Many decades of being surrounded by people who want to kill you will do this.
Collateral damage is tragic, but the dumb ass hezbollah idiots popping off like firecrackers is fire 😭
The battery in the Motorola Pager (https://www.google.com/search q=motorola+pager+batttery+specs&safe=active&sca_esv=e9ea40622f6d2cac&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIKii2HCmuVgtTdQcQETAzDLdP19Eg%3A1726668235086&ei=y93qZojyBNqdptQP2dr96AE&ved=0ahUKEwjIg7C21MyIAxXajokEHVltHx0Q4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=motorola+pager+batttery+specs&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiHW1vdG9yb2xhIHBhZ2VyIGJhdHR0ZXJ5IHNwZWNzMgoQIRigARjDBBgKMgQQIRgKSM4qUIYJWNQacAF4AZABAJgBhAKgAZQNqgEFMC40LjS4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgagAvAHwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICCBAhGKABGMMEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcFMS4zLjKgB8Ei&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)
is 500mAH, which is about a third of an Energizer AA Lithium Battery (1700 mAH).
I wonder if a select few were packed with some C-4, as the energy in the battery is insufficient to do a lot of damage.
The general thinking on this is that the shipments from Taiwan were intercepted, and the devices were packed with small amounts of RDX, HMX, PETN, or other modern explosive compound, along with a switch that could be activated ONLY by a specific coded signal....and then were returned to the supply line and ultimately delivered to the people who placed the order. There must have been a "DELAY IN SHIPMENT" at some point, while the devices were turned into weapons.
It doesn't take much PETN or C4 or RDX to injure or kill someone if the charge is placed ON the body...like a pager or walkie-talkie. All it needs is about 0.5 to 1.0 oz of the stuff detonated close to their bodies and it will do significant damage to that person.
Exactly. I'd like to know how they pulled this off on such a great scale. Something isn't adding up.
My guess, which seems to be backed up with recent news - Somebody bought a bunch of Motorola Pagers, then modified them. They added a high explosive (oxidizer is part of the explosive propellent) to the pager, such that it would behave normally. The explosive would go off when a "special" message was sent, otherwise behave normally.
These pagers were then secretly distributed to Hezbollah and were then given to their members. A generic message preceded the "special message" by a few seconds, so that the Hezbollah member would take the pager out and look at it.
This action was replicated today, using hand-held radios (which could likely contain a higher mass of high explosives). Seems pretty targeted to me, and the targeting of the enemy (vs launching random missiles into Israel) seems like a good use of technology.
Makes you wonder what is in our smartphones...
As for the public getting hurt, the difference of this versus someone putting 20,000 Haitians in a neighborhood? Public gets hurt.
OP is trying to redefine "terrorism"
This was a precision military attack against people using pagers that were MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CELL PHONES that were ordered by and passed out by Hezbollah to its members. These weren't being sold at corner stores. Civilians have CHEAPER cell phones.
IF the target is civilian infrastructure or if the intent is to cause fear, suffering, or destruction among the civilian population, this would more likely be considered an act of terrorism. Terrorism is often defined as violent acts aimed at civilians, intending to create fear or achieve political or ideological goals outside of legitimate warfare.
Key factors that determine whether it is an act of terrorism or warfare include:
Target: If the infrastructure is purely civilian (e.g., water treatment plants, hospitals, power grids for residential areas), it may be classified as terrorism.
Intent: If the intent is to cause psychological terror or indiscriminate harm to civilians, rather than a direct military advantage, this could be labeled as terrorism.
Proportionality: Under international law, attacks should not cause excessive civilian harm relative to the anticipated military gain. If the attack disregards this balance, it may also be considered a war crime or act of terrorism.
Well from the video I've seen 95%+ of the people in the hospital were military age males. Also ZERO buildings were destroyed. You couldn't get that type of precision with ANY other type of attack.
Sabotaging enemy equipment can be considered a legitimate military action, it only crosses the line into terrorism if civilians or non-military targets are deliberately attacked or if the goal is to create fear among the civilian population. International law seeks to distinguish between lawful acts of war and acts of terrorism based on the nature of the target and the intent behind the action.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/09/18/chinese-electric-vehicles-could-be-weaponised-by-beijing-report-warns/
the mods stickied me: i wonder if this is actually a blessing
It is a blessing in disguise.
I was on a walk with my dogs a few years back, when all of a sudden, they decided that we were going to the side of the road and into the woods. What they had alerted to was a dog that had its leg caught in a snare meant to catch the wild boar that inhabit this area. I was able to set the dog free and left it here to its own devices. A few weeks later I saw the same dog being walked by one of my neighbors. It was missing most of the leg that had got caught in the snare. Snares don’t discriminate.
No, snares don't discriminate, but then snares aren't worn by the intended victim on their belts either. Pagers and walkie-talkies DO discriminate, however, as they are carried by the very person being targeted. By military measures, this was a highly effective strike with only minimal collateral damage. I'm still in awe as to how precise this strike was.
Can’t criticize; ok?
X: https://x.com/timand2037/status/1836147344884006965
Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/timand2037/status/1836147344884006965
I'm so tired of Islamic terrorist apologetics just because some people here have a hate boner for Israel.
This was shockingly precise by military standards, anyone who thinks otherwise knows nothing about war.
Agreed. It’s a win. Also, haven’t the people on this board, the fuck learned not to jump to conclusions on operations that could easily be false flag missions. There’s no proof at all Israel did this yet. Finally, too many Death to Israel goofs here. Soon as Israel is convicted of the crimes they suggest I’ll be the first to call for a rope but until then, I think most of you are just Hezbollah with one less pager in your inventory.
The pagers were injected with PETN (penta). It acts like nitroglycerine
The terrorists were the only ones with the pagers. Don't be fooled by the media bullshit. If they went into the civilian areas, they were responsible, just like Hamas using hospitals as bases. They don't care about their own people!
Hamas doesn't use hospitals as bases. Don't let the devil's propaganda fool you.
The Hezbos didn't know they were carrying remote-controlled bombs that could detonate while they were picking up groceries, so the onus is not on them.
Killing unarmed combatants (assuming they all were), far from the front lines, is certainly some sort of war crime.
In this day and age, and on this forum, if you still use the used-and-abused mass propaganda "terrorist" label, you need to check your brain.
As a Christian I see what the world ignores as I get news from the persecuted church.
Islam is a vile, violent cult. They absolutely use terror tactics to try and take power.
I know who beheads and firebombs churches. Your complaints don't excuse that.
The Israeli mind virus is deep. You're a victim. Or jidf :)
You are an apologist for terrorists. That makes you a terrier.
I happen to know from a friend who was in the IDF that they do, in fact, use hospitals and schools as bases. They don’t care if their civilians get killed and, quite frankly, neither do I.
As yes, classic hearsay. mUH teRroRisM. Please grow out of your programming. Sounds like you're posting from Tel Aviv. Are you one of the dancing Israelis?
Allllahhhbh {kiss a pigs anus} akbar!
Okay jidf