People here are so starved for a public victory that they have abandoned all logic and are commenting through pure emotion. If you want to doom go to Patriots.win and let the adults decipher what this all means.
The above take by the positive Patriot, is the most logical I have seen all day. A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota. He wouldnt have gotten any jail time. He would have suffered a slap on the wrist. Just like Clinesmith.
There are bigger fish to fry and this trial has introduced the nation to the likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy run out of the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DoJ, State and the Obama administration. This trial laid the first few planks on that road that need be traveled.
It is also another step towards military tribunals. The Courts have again proven to be utterly corrupt, one sided. The military is the only way.
Before we throw in the towel and lose all hope lets see where this leads.
And most importantly continue to get involved at the grass roots level, remain vigilant and prepare yourself, your family, your neighborhood and your community. This will be a long war against an entrenched and well supplied enemy.
I agree fren. I've lost friends over this Q stuff. I see posts like "it's not about you and your ego it's about the kids" and it makes my blood boil. People on here have lost FAMILIES over this stuff, it's pretty infuriating to be told by other anons we shouldn't want to be vindicated.
Anyone whose family isn’t willing to listen, good riddance to those families I say. We don’t need ‘em. They’re just holding us back and not worth the air they breathe.
This comment is not better than mine and I do not support it.
Pretty harsh dude. Understand the frustration, but if we gotta live with 94-96% of who's left on the other side of this, gotta have some connections left or you may end up crusty in a wheelchair with no legs shouting at God for how messed up your life is even though a lot of it was from your own personal choices and random happenings.
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For some reason I pictured you as the guy from Forrest Gump who was grumpy...dunno why I imagined you didn't have legs, although I'm pretty sure you still do, statistically speaking you probably do....
Reality is harsh. The truth is harsh. If you can't handle harsh then you really don't belong here. Harsh is part of growing, it's how we are broken of our human selfishness. It's how we really make life better because we accept the truth of things.
Any family who disowns you because of this Q stuff is not worth having in your life. They are weak minded and toxic. Nothing we believe in is bad. And nothing we do is wrong. We aren't hurting anyone so people choosing to end relationships are actually doing you a favor. They are saving you the trouble of future time wasted.
Your family are the people you can be your true self around or at least a version that is respectful of their views, but does not compromise yours (I don't swear in front of my Grandma typically) Doesn't matter how they are related to you if they can't respect your ideas then you shouldn't waste time trying to respect them at all. It's like the boys who try to impress their fathers and never get their approval. Fuck your dad and his approval. Fuck any parent and their approval. If you are doing what you feel and know is right and aren't harming anyone in the process then you are okay by me and don't need anyone's approval.
Reciprocation is important too. Not saying to lie and say their view is valid, but everyone needs a support system, and family is the default support. If they dropped you, it's their loss. At least you have this fam now too fren.
Oh, don't cuss too much here either if you don't mind, my gran reads this too. 😉
I agree, wholeheartedly. Those who suffer from cognitive dissonance generally aren’t worth the time and effort to try red-pilling. I got red-pilled on my own; by my never ending quest for knowledge. I keep my conversations short and sweet with those who live in denial of what is happening in the world today. Of course there are exceptions to that rule, but in most cases people have to see the truth for themselves.
The truth is for those who want it, not necessarily for those who need it.
If you need vindication then you aren't secure in your beliefs. I have accepted that this could all be an elaborate ruse (lol... okay I can't accept that as a possibility anymore based on simple logic) but regardless the best way to handle outsiders is to simply remind them that belief is irrelevant. We don't need to trust anyone for them to do the right thing. "Q simply is or is not," if people can't respect you for saying that and meaning it then they aren't worth your time.
My sister’s husband and kids openly mock her and “joke” about having her committed for her tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. But she kept telling them to wait and she’d be proven right.
Then a year passed. Then another, and another, and another. Then the election, then the inauguration, and so on and so on. She’s being treated like an imbecile. By her own husband and kids.
That’s just one example, and I know there are many more because I read posts like yours and others. The suffering is real. I’ve lost friends and have to remain silent about my beliefs in order to keep my job because of the industry I work in. People around me are beginning to experience serious health issues because they’re on their 4th jab and trust the political science, and will no doubt be first in line for the next one “the experts” recommend.
I understand the desire to keep morale up. But to constantly be told that, ‘it may look bad, but here’s why it’s really great and if you don’t agree you’re doomer/glowie/shill/grifter,’ is truly shocking to behold.
Damn I’m sorry to hear about home fren... Sometimes I forget how much worse it could be for even amongst us anons. Stay strong, prayers for you and yours..
We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything..
With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
I definitely hear you and agree 100%, and maybe I poorly communicated with lack of examples, but I intended to express that the diatribes/name-calling/bashing you mention, is exactly the rhetoric many of these labeled “doomers” face. I get that this is the common reaction when dealing with actual shills/glowies, but several anons are being degraded and insulted as if they were actual shills/glowies, for plain or even well thought-out theories that are skeptical/doubtful of the more popular ones here.
I’m sure theres probably users that go full-on lash out when expressing their own theories and encountering criticism/doubt, but the way I’ve seen “doomers” get dragged through the mud and taunted, when delivery wasn’t offensive/questionable... It makes me wonder about the direction of GAW as we go through the storm.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example.
Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?
A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota
Apparently, we are supposed to be ok with criminals getting away with crime because hey, "there are bigger fish to fry". Letting small criminals get away with shit is why we are in the mess. It's fucking absurd the excuses that are being made here and that everyone should just act like this yet another loss is no big fucking deal.
You really think the populace who has been asleep through the fraud of 2020, covid, etc are going to see this cause as a "likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy.."? BS! They are distracted by BS media like Depp/Heard trial, ff school shootings, and the new Top Gun movie.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
Something clearly forgotten in this whole thread (I believe within Q, as well), are “sheep are gonna sheep.” That will NEVER change within the current generations that devoted their lives to MS media. It may look like an awakening when everything starts to come out, rest assured, the sheep will sheep on whatever the media tells them.
The families that turned on us awake folks, won’t outright admit they were wrong. They’ll warm up to the truth, gently slide in to agreeing with us, and all will be hunky dory with the world in the end. All because control of the MS media was taken over. Not because they learned the truth. If folks haven’t got on board by this point, they aren’t going to, they can’t think for themselves.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
And that is the thing. We have forgotten that we are still in an echo chamber here. That we are conversing with people who at least are aware of things going on, even if they dont believe for the same reasons or outcome, but that are seeing that things are not what media and our Govt is portraying them to be.
Yet so many here are under the impression that the average Joe/Jane is truly paying any attention to anything other than what the mainstream media and the entertainment industry is pushing. Society as a whole is still dead asleep. They may be pissed off about inflation and worried how they are going to financially survive, but they areno here close to connecting the dots that it is our very on Govt, who for GENERATIONS have colluded to create policies to destroy our nation from the inside out. And have used us average citizens, pitting us against one another, to make that job easier.
You are catching on. Look at the spin that's being spun here it's incredible. Just last week everybody was going boom about this being an amazing win when Durham gets the job done. These explanations never seem to come out two days before the the verdict. It is always after something does not go our way that they come up with these supposedly plausible explanations about how this is a win for us. Nonsense
I don’t know, the community I was following on YouTube that was purchasing the transcripts and going through them were talking about swamp corruption from the first day, back when they were doing jury review. Once the Clinton donors were allowed to stay on the jury, a lot of people thought the fix was in. From that point there started to be rumblings that the prosecution wasn’t always objecting or challenging in places where they could, and there’s still this weird element of the case where they had Sussman lying in text on the 18th, but instead charged him for the 19th, where they had no text.
By the second week I started to get the sense this trial wasn’t really about Sussman. Part of that was this idea that Sussman lied to the FBI. Part of believing that also requires you to believe that the FBI was duped, when really we know the FBI was in on it. So it felt strange to cheer for a guilty verdict which would legally confirm the FBI was duped, when I don’t think that’s what actually happened.
I dunno. I seem to recall reading more than a few win-win regardless posts last week. A lot of them were being drowned out by the cheering section and duplicate posts.
Yep how many times do we have to see this. Another huge cockpunch is really just our side playing 4D chess in underwater outer space. Indictments are coming, right Hannity?
Durham should have never accepted a 92.5% Dem district as a venue and should have been screaming bloody murder when the judge allowed open Trump haters, Dem donors, and the parent of a kid who plays sports with Sussman’s kid on the jury.
Sit on your hands and trust the plan. Don't worry people constantly getting let off the hook, don't worry about the absolute collapse of our country, there's magic 4D Chess at work guys, really! Just wait a little longer for things to completely crumble.
There were people here predicting this last week as they followed the trial.
Only through the trial itself was the Durham strategy unveiled. Everything leading up to the trial appeared to be going for a conviction.
I didn’t understand the strategy until five days ago when u/MeanOMan replied to one of my comments and the light came on. Here is the thread I’m talking about.
thanks for mention !!!
It's been a tough argument to make on here, but it's an important one that feel everyone should open their mind up to.
Baker and Strokz being the 2 biggest perpetrators of this investigation.
Baker introduced it into evidence and created a document trail of the lie.
Strokz then put a lock on it so no investigator could request sourcing for the evidence.
Thank you for opening my eyes. I wasn’t seeing this as life or death, but didn’t have the perspective on the larger Durham strategy either.
The challenge is people want a victory so bad that a conviction on a minor charge of a relatively minor DS operative was being construed as the goal post. The goal post is the fall of the cabal. A conviction in this case would not have contributed to that goal.
Agreed. Was going to post something similar about "making it make sense" afterwards. It's usually speculation that makes "our side" sound clever and while it isn't outside the realm of possibilities, it's not necessarily facts and logic / most probable. We can theorize, but on this board we tend to latch onto (mostly) unfounded theories or speculations and treat them as fact. We have to focus on the truth, however boring, frustrating or obfuscated it may be!
Here is part of a comment that I copied and pasted from a user on another win sub verse that may explain exactly what is going on
Upfish 2 point 28 minutes ago +3 / -1
A hopium addict is a lot like a leftist in two key ways. First, they are driven primarily by their emotional reaction to things. They will always default to that which makes them feel good over that which makes them feel bad. And that leads to the second, that they work backwards from a conclusion and construct a flimsy set of reasons that support the conclusion after deciding which conclusion they like the best, ie the one that makes them feel best. They don't let evidence and reality determine which conclusion is probably true, they let their feels determine which conclusion they want to be true and then craft bullshit to explain why it must be. And anything that flies in the face of this, and makes them feel bad, is shouted down until it's out of sight and stops making them feel bad.
In practicality, you see why this explains how they react to various events and what other people say.
I want to kiss you right in the mouth for posting this. LOL! I was so low, but this makes so much sense. Trying to not OD on the hopium, but this is good stuff. Thanks!
It 100 percent did. I had a few people call me stupid for saying it'd be a miracle to get a conviction with that judge and jury, but here we are.
You aren't going to convince 3 Clinton and 1 AOC donors, not just supporters, and one of Sussman's acquaintances to convict him. It wasn't exactly a stretch to predict an acquittal here
From here, it doesn't look like there are any major political victories because people aren't being executed or decapitated....or shot, or removed from public, or stopped from raising gas prices.
In reality, so much is happening, just not the victories we want. But they are victories which count.
I can certainly go along with "wait and see." It is just painful, though, to see all the spinning about "this defeat is really a victory." I would like that to be explained by higher powers in order to take it seriously.
This was actually discussed repeatedly as a win-win either way last week and over the weekend. Most of the posts got lost due to the Durham cheering section and meme cannons fire.
I like this post and it makes logical sense. Just us working class folk are getting killed by gas/food prices and inflation. It’s hard not to get down about this stuff when some of us are on the verge of poverty at the rate the dollar is collapsing.
You aren't alone. I am blessed with an okay income that has allowed my family to stay afloat... but most of my friends/family are struggling miserably. Between inflation and gas prices, they are starting to not be able to afford their typical groceries. Give it 6 months and many people I know will begin to fail to pay bills simply because they have to choose to get food/gas over bills.
My parents struggled miserably ever since the 2008 crash... they just got their head above water in the last couple of years as they got some certifications and moved into higher paying specialty jobs. And now, once again, they are struggling pay check to paycheck again.
Sure would love it if Jesus returned right about now lol...
He's correct on the part about how Sussman didn't lie. Well...maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But that doesn't alter the second part of the equation - was the lie material? And the answer to that is unequivocally NO. Because the FBI was gonna FBI. Not a damn thing he could say would have any effect whatsoever on the FBI's investigation because it was already planned by the FBI to run a hoax rouse. He could have told Baker he got this from his niece's ouija board and it would have made no difference. The corrupt feds were all in on the rouse.
However, this has zero impact on Hillary. At least, from the standpoint of conviction or exoneration. She can still claim plausible deniability. Just because some jury acquits someone doesn't expunge the innuendo surrounding the charges rendering them inadmissible. Quite literally the best that could be offered to rebut that is "and Mr. Sussman was acquitted." with the corollary "just because the materiality of the statement was questionable." It doesn't push the needle one way or the other for her.
I do find it ironic that he says "USE YOUR BRAIN" & "Barr said...." in the same post. Like we close the case upon decree by Mr. KFC Bagpipes himself lol. That same dumbass also said that there was no evidence of election fraud. Suddenly his opinion on sedition carries weight...
Finally, this "gotta charge small to get evidence admitted" is a bogus assertion. What is useful are all the many witness statements under oath that make it hard to maneuver in future cases because they would be either lying then or lying now. MAYBE he got something useful out of the privileged docs that can either be used directly or used to get more "privileged" docs. But this guy has no clue how evidence works in criminal trials.
Thanks for posting this, Pepe. Pretty much what I figured. Still was having one of those down days because it's taking a while. Have been with Q for almost 5 years. I believe in The Plan with all my heart. I am human though. GEAUX PATRIOTS!
100% dead on, Sussman can STILL be charged in a RICO case. This is all a game and the end game is to have Obama and Clinton hanging by the neck along with a load of others. It's going to happen.
I’m not sure it works like that, where an individual can pay their lawyer to go lie for them and spread a known lie that the lawyer knows is a lie, and somehow the citizen gets in trouble but the lawyer is found innocent.
This is one of those times I’ll take shit at face value: Washington DC and all of its residents are worthless, disgusting, liberal trash that should be eradicated.
The "two more weeks" people are the equivalent of children in the backseat screaming "are we there yet?" every 5 minutes. They have no patience for the journey ahead of us and want instant gratification. They can't appreciate how far we've come or enjoy the scenery along the way. You don't have to buy into any of the Q stuff to see that major events are unfolding.
It is kind of silly to go after her with an angle that would completely fall apart if he was convicted guilty. Because having him get off was the plan all along right? Come on people.
People here are so starved for a public victory that they have abandoned all logic and are commenting through pure emotion. If you want to doom go to Patriots.win and let the adults decipher what this all means.
The above take by the positive Patriot, is the most logical I have seen all day. A Sussman conviction isnt the goal. A Sussman conviction for lying to the FBI doesnt move the needle one iota. He wouldnt have gotten any jail time. He would have suffered a slap on the wrist. Just like Clinesmith.
There are bigger fish to fry and this trial has introduced the nation to the likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy run out of the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DoJ, State and the Obama administration. This trial laid the first few planks on that road that need be traveled.
It is also another step towards military tribunals. The Courts have again proven to be utterly corrupt, one sided. The military is the only way.
Before we throw in the towel and lose all hope lets see where this leads.
And most importantly continue to get involved at the grass roots level, remain vigilant and prepare yourself, your family, your neighborhood and your community. This will be a long war against an entrenched and well supplied enemy.
I agree fren. I've lost friends over this Q stuff. I see posts like "it's not about you and your ego it's about the kids" and it makes my blood boil. People on here have lost FAMILIES over this stuff, it's pretty infuriating to be told by other anons we shouldn't want to be vindicated.
Anyone whose family isn’t willing to listen, good riddance to those families I say. We don’t need ‘em. They’re just holding us back and not worth the air they breathe.
This comment is not better than mine and I do not support it.
Pretty harsh dude. Understand the frustration, but if we gotta live with 94-96% of who's left on the other side of this, gotta have some connections left or you may end up crusty in a wheelchair with no legs shouting at God for how messed up your life is even though a lot of it was from your own personal choices and random happenings.
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For some reason I pictured you as the guy from Forrest Gump who was grumpy...dunno why I imagined you didn't have legs, although I'm pretty sure you still do, statistically speaking you probably do....
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Reality is harsh. The truth is harsh. If you can't handle harsh then you really don't belong here. Harsh is part of growing, it's how we are broken of our human selfishness. It's how we really make life better because we accept the truth of things.
Any family who disowns you because of this Q stuff is not worth having in your life. They are weak minded and toxic. Nothing we believe in is bad. And nothing we do is wrong. We aren't hurting anyone so people choosing to end relationships are actually doing you a favor. They are saving you the trouble of future time wasted.
Your family are the people you can be your true self around or at least a version that is respectful of their views, but does not compromise yours (I don't swear in front of my Grandma typically) Doesn't matter how they are related to you if they can't respect your ideas then you shouldn't waste time trying to respect them at all. It's like the boys who try to impress their fathers and never get their approval. Fuck your dad and his approval. Fuck any parent and their approval. If you are doing what you feel and know is right and aren't harming anyone in the process then you are okay by me and don't need anyone's approval.
That is one way to look at it yes.
Reciprocation is important too. Not saying to lie and say their view is valid, but everyone needs a support system, and family is the default support. If they dropped you, it's their loss. At least you have this fam now too fren.
Oh, don't cuss too much here either if you don't mind, my gran reads this too. 😉
I agree, wholeheartedly. Those who suffer from cognitive dissonance generally aren’t worth the time and effort to try red-pilling. I got red-pilled on my own; by my never ending quest for knowledge. I keep my conversations short and sweet with those who live in denial of what is happening in the world today. Of course there are exceptions to that rule, but in most cases people have to see the truth for themselves. The truth is for those who want it, not necessarily for those who need it.
If you need vindication then you aren't secure in your beliefs. I have accepted that this could all be an elaborate ruse (lol... okay I can't accept that as a possibility anymore based on simple logic) but regardless the best way to handle outsiders is to simply remind them that belief is irrelevant. We don't need to trust anyone for them to do the right thing. "Q simply is or is not," if people can't respect you for saying that and meaning it then they aren't worth your time.
I've changed my entire worldview TWICE in my life--first going from commie leftist to Republican, then going from Republican to swamp-aware Trump man.
How can I possibly be "secure in my beliefs?" I've been wrong so many times.
My sister’s husband and kids openly mock her and “joke” about having her committed for her tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. But she kept telling them to wait and she’d be proven right.
Then a year passed. Then another, and another, and another. Then the election, then the inauguration, and so on and so on. She’s being treated like an imbecile. By her own husband and kids.
That’s just one example, and I know there are many more because I read posts like yours and others. The suffering is real. I’ve lost friends and have to remain silent about my beliefs in order to keep my job because of the industry I work in. People around me are beginning to experience serious health issues because they’re on their 4th jab and trust the political science, and will no doubt be first in line for the next one “the experts” recommend.
I understand the desire to keep morale up. But to constantly be told that, ‘it may look bad, but here’s why it’s really great and if you don’t agree you’re doomer/glowie/shill/grifter,’ is truly shocking to behold.
Damn I’m sorry to hear about home fren... Sometimes I forget how much worse it could be for even amongst us anons. Stay strong, prayers for you and yours..
If you really ARE big Mike's saggin' balls, I have all the sympathy in the world for ya fren.
I’ve pivoted to not talking about it unless it comes up. Otherwise I play along with life normie style. Work is painful.
This comment is also better than mine and I support this one too.
We’ve been saying this for years though, this is even what we said about the 2020 election. Every step being a closer step to military taking over (as if Covid/mandatory vaccinations exemplified that this would not happen) or a more obvious show that the DS is unjustly ruling everything.. With the Texas shooting, radio silence from the SC on abortion, audits falling off, not a single prosecution. Durham is about the only thing left going for us, that isn’t 100% speculation.
We talk about how toxic PW is, but look at them, never walking back on posts, the much larger following/engagements, we barely even pull 500 updoots in 24 hours anymore. We gotta be open-minded because something is obviously working over there. I’ve seen several users here downvoted into oblivion, called out for dooming, for predicting exactly what happened with the Sussman trial. How can we have a productive environment, if we can openly and validly discuss takes and observations like this post, but condemn and downvote others or dismiss others as “doomers” , especially when the stuff they’re saying are coming into fruition
Agreed. Seeing people downvote people who think negatively then those people getting proven right really bothers me about this place. It's even worse how quickly people on here act like "oh Durham losing was part of the plan!" Yet they downvoted a guy a week prior for saying the same shit.
Exactly what I mean.
Shills are a thing.
Yeah, I fear of sliding into groupthink here. Every doubt is not a doom comment. I think anyone who doesn't have some doubts about the final outcome of this entire mess the Republic is in are just refusing to see reality. Ultimate victory is far from certain but the current and future pain is all too real and will certainly get worse.
True story....look at how many of "our" trusted sources ALL came out with that idea after the acuittal and BOOM...a bunch of supposed free thinkers just hopped on board...
GTFO of here with that ....lol
I think dooming is different from cynicism or skepticism. It is closer to weaponized despair. A person who is not a doomer in general but falls into it for a time will later look back and realize their dooming was neither entirely correct or helpful.
I doubt too many people here have a problem with skepticism or doubt, but it also needs to be presented in a constructive way. If it’s just pure despair with that subtle gloating quality, it’s not really useful to anyone, and it makes sense mods would want to discourage it.
But in this instance and several others (like the ones listed in my original comment) these “doomers” ended up right. You can’t deny that these anons were called doomers by many here, and yet their perspective/insight not only proved valid, but the most proactive and realistic, out of most, if not all here. I’m sure you don’t even remember most of the theories talked about on x22, stickied and uprooted predictions that held no impact or even validity, in the context of now and future forward.
I just think valid (obviously not shill) insights/perspectives should not be quickly labeled as “dooming”. Because skepticism and even arguably cynicism has been dismissed and labelled here as dooming faaar too often. These hopiums are far more often turning into ideas that are neither entirely correct or helpful, particularly this as case and point. The labeled doomers were far more correct and helpful in instances like these.
For the most part, spot on.
The bigger issue seems to be one of presentation. Having an opinion contrary to prevailing thought is a lot of how research and new insights can be discovered and shared. Indeed that draws out stimulating conversation and helps the community.
I think the point u/sun_wolf was making (please correct me if I'm wrong) is just this: regardless if you were correct in your assumptions, many people don't want to hear them when they are mixed with non-witty diatribe.
For example, you may have been 100% correct about sussman's verdict, but I don't care as much as I should due to you driving your point home while saying I should feel butthurt due to all the pounding I've taken being an FBI depository.
If your method of communication includes your point and also calling me a glowie nazi who should rot in the 7th circle of hell just because I didn't admit your point is the only correct one without giving it more than 5 minutes thought..... well yeah, I may have an issue with that person dispite how right they were.
This is the kind of stuff happening lately. I think we can come up with these conclusions without the antics.
Not you personally of course, just driving the point home. My $0.02.
I definitely hear you and agree 100%, and maybe I poorly communicated with lack of examples, but I intended to express that the diatribes/name-calling/bashing you mention, is exactly the rhetoric many of these labeled “doomers” face. I get that this is the common reaction when dealing with actual shills/glowies, but several anons are being degraded and insulted as if they were actual shills/glowies, for plain or even well thought-out theories that are skeptical/doubtful of the more popular ones here.
I’m sure theres probably users that go full-on lash out when expressing their own theories and encountering criticism/doubt, but the way I’ve seen “doomers” get dragged through the mud and taunted, when delivery wasn’t offensive/questionable... It makes me wonder about the direction of GAW as we go through the storm.
r/doomers was weaponized as an attack tactic to use against Trump and MAGA, just like everything on Reddit.
I support this. This is what it's been like for a while.
Constructive, even downright contrary opinions aren't the problem.
The issue comes from the extra little "dig" people feel like they have to get in at the end, like some lurking under the bridge type creature.
Patriots is more successful because it's way more accessible. I'm only here because it's a more optimistic bunch over here, and I remain open to the possibility of Q existing in some way or another
That being said, GAW is a cesspool when something doesn't go our way. Realism goes out the window. Half of people are acting like the world has ended and everything is over, and the other half is trying to spin a Durham loss into a 4d chess move, when neither are accurate
Durham losing helps? Not really. Durham losing has destroyed all hope of any justice ever? Not really. Q has said Trust "Sessions/Barr/Durham" a million fucking times, and it either A. Hasn't panned out, or B. Hasn't publicly panned out, and people are going to have to accept it and move on.
If the only thing keeping you grounded in reality is trusting Q, you need to rethink your priorities. Q's plan coming completely true to prophecy is a hail Mary.
Shit always attracts more flies than sugar.
That ain't working. It's called the Doom Room for a reason.
Sure they're our fellow Trump loving brethren, most of them. Plenty of common ground. But if we're the ones being called retards because we can perceive the painfully obvious (Trump and Q cooperating, Law of War manual, devolution, etc.), then hanging out together with them is unnecessary. Same goes for brainwashed family members, sorry
Just food for thought: what percentage of military takeovers in world history actually turned out to be good for the people? The reason I ask is that I do not know the specific answer, but I know it has to be under a couple of percentage points. Scares the crap out of me thinking that the military might take over. Because that has almost universally ended up very badly for the people wherever it is tried.
Valid question. To my recollection, I believe Marsipan... Maricopa... Malindaville, Myanmar! There you go.
Myanmar seems to be doing OK as a modern example. Would the French revolution be considered a pesant army, or are you thinking organized military?
Technically the USA was a military takeover.
But I can think of lots of examples that were not so good though history....
I would guess it depends on what the motivation of the leaders was. In China there was that dude who unified China, slaughtered the armies of what, 12 other warlords, but established what was one of the longest running dynasties in recorded history IIRC. Mixed blessing?
Apparently, we are supposed to be ok with criminals getting away with crime because hey, "there are bigger fish to fry". Letting small criminals get away with shit is why we are in the mess. It's fucking absurd the excuses that are being made here and that everyone should just act like this yet another loss is no big fucking deal.
You really think the populace who has been asleep through the fraud of 2020, covid, etc are going to see this cause as a "likelihood that there was a seditious conspiracy.."? BS! They are distracted by BS media like Depp/Heard trial, ff school shootings, and the new Top Gun movie.
Those same folks distracted by the MS media haven’t the slightest clue who Sussman is…
Something clearly forgotten in this whole thread (I believe within Q, as well), are “sheep are gonna sheep.” That will NEVER change within the current generations that devoted their lives to MS media. It may look like an awakening when everything starts to come out, rest assured, the sheep will sheep on whatever the media tells them.
The families that turned on us awake folks, won’t outright admit they were wrong. They’ll warm up to the truth, gently slide in to agreeing with us, and all will be hunky dory with the world in the end. All because control of the MS media was taken over. Not because they learned the truth. If folks haven’t got on board by this point, they aren’t going to, they can’t think for themselves.
And that is the thing. We have forgotten that we are still in an echo chamber here. That we are conversing with people who at least are aware of things going on, even if they dont believe for the same reasons or outcome, but that are seeing that things are not what media and our Govt is portraying them to be.
Yet so many here are under the impression that the average Joe/Jane is truly paying any attention to anything other than what the mainstream media and the entertainment industry is pushing. Society as a whole is still dead asleep. They may be pissed off about inflation and worried how they are going to financially survive, but they areno here close to connecting the dots that it is our very on Govt, who for GENERATIONS have colluded to create policies to destroy our nation from the inside out. And have used us average citizens, pitting us against one another, to make that job easier.
^100% agree!
You are catching on. Look at the spin that's being spun here it's incredible. Just last week everybody was going boom about this being an amazing win when Durham gets the job done. These explanations never seem to come out two days before the the verdict. It is always after something does not go our way that they come up with these supposedly plausible explanations about how this is a win for us. Nonsense
I don’t know, the community I was following on YouTube that was purchasing the transcripts and going through them were talking about swamp corruption from the first day, back when they were doing jury review. Once the Clinton donors were allowed to stay on the jury, a lot of people thought the fix was in. From that point there started to be rumblings that the prosecution wasn’t always objecting or challenging in places where they could, and there’s still this weird element of the case where they had Sussman lying in text on the 18th, but instead charged him for the 19th, where they had no text.
By the second week I started to get the sense this trial wasn’t really about Sussman. Part of that was this idea that Sussman lied to the FBI. Part of believing that also requires you to believe that the FBI was duped, when really we know the FBI was in on it. So it felt strange to cheer for a guilty verdict which would legally confirm the FBI was duped, when I don’t think that’s what actually happened.
BOOM!
This. If you read more than sticky posts, there was analysis going on about not having a win still being good for Team MAGA before the verdict.
I read more than a few win-win posts, they just got drowned out by the cheering section.
I dunno. I seem to recall reading more than a few win-win regardless posts last week. A lot of them were being drowned out by the cheering section and duplicate posts.
The spin is real. It is always trying to reason why we HAD to lose something.
When the victory never comes, and the people keep spinning, nothing ever gets done.
Sometimes you just need to take something at face value, instead of trying to cope hard.
Future proves past.
I'll believe it when someone's convicted and swinging.
Yep how many times do we have to see this. Another huge cockpunch is really just our side playing 4D chess in underwater outer space. Indictments are coming, right Hannity?
Durham should have never accepted a 92.5% Dem district as a venue and should have been screaming bloody murder when the judge allowed open Trump haters, Dem donors, and the parent of a kid who plays sports with Sussman’s kid on the jury.
Sit on your hands and trust the plan. Don't worry people constantly getting let off the hook, don't worry about the absolute collapse of our country, there's magic 4D Chess at work guys, really! Just wait a little longer for things to completely crumble.
There were people here predicting this last week as they followed the trial.
Only through the trial itself was the Durham strategy unveiled. Everything leading up to the trial appeared to be going for a conviction.
I didn’t understand the strategy until five days ago when u/MeanOMan replied to one of my comments and the light came on. Here is the thread I’m talking about.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15IEATBMoA/sussmann-defense-team-reveals-fb/
thanks for mention !!! It's been a tough argument to make on here, but it's an important one that feel everyone should open their mind up to.
Baker and Strokz being the 2 biggest perpetrators of this investigation. Baker introduced it into evidence and created a document trail of the lie. Strokz then put a lock on it so no investigator could request sourcing for the evidence.
Larry and Mo
Thank you for opening my eyes. I wasn’t seeing this as life or death, but didn’t have the perspective on the larger Durham strategy either.
The challenge is people want a victory so bad that a conviction on a minor charge of a relatively minor DS operative was being construed as the goal post. The goal post is the fall of the cabal. A conviction in this case would not have contributed to that goal.
Yes, and it's also possible that Durham is just trying to awaken everyone to how untouchable these guys are through the justice system.
An excuse for the tribunals.
Interesting thread that you linked, thanks for pointing that out.
Deep down you know the answer, to this one and to the other 9304825 'explanations' that preceded it for the last 3 or 4 years or so.
Agreed. Was going to post something similar about "making it make sense" afterwards. It's usually speculation that makes "our side" sound clever and while it isn't outside the realm of possibilities, it's not necessarily facts and logic / most probable. We can theorize, but on this board we tend to latch onto (mostly) unfounded theories or speculations and treat them as fact. We have to focus on the truth, however boring, frustrating or obfuscated it may be!
Logic not emotion. Think it through.
Here is part of a comment that I copied and pasted from a user on another win sub verse that may explain exactly what is going on
Upfish 2 point 28 minutes ago +3 / -1 A hopium addict is a lot like a leftist in two key ways. First, they are driven primarily by their emotional reaction to things. They will always default to that which makes them feel good over that which makes them feel bad. And that leads to the second, that they work backwards from a conclusion and construct a flimsy set of reasons that support the conclusion after deciding which conclusion they like the best, ie the one that makes them feel best. They don't let evidence and reality determine which conclusion is probably true, they let their feels determine which conclusion they want to be true and then craft bullshit to explain why it must be. And anything that flies in the face of this, and makes them feel bad, is shouted down until it's out of sight and stops making them feel bad.
In practicality, you see why this explains how they react to various events and what other people say.
I want to kiss you right in the mouth for posting this. LOL! I was so low, but this makes so much sense. Trying to not OD on the hopium, but this is good stuff. Thanks!
Patel Patriot said similar.
Ayyyye
He was smiling in a pic posted earlier
A guilty verdict would have also given the FBI and the Obama Administration plausible deniability.
I was also thinking that having the trial in D.C exposed the corruption in the judge etc.
It 100 percent did. I had a few people call me stupid for saying it'd be a miracle to get a conviction with that judge and jury, but here we are.
You aren't going to convince 3 Clinton and 1 AOC donors, not just supporters, and one of Sussman's acquaintances to convict him. It wasn't exactly a stretch to predict an acquittal here
I fully expected acquittal.
But you would have been called a doomer for saying this beforehand.
I've been hearing that since we were all back on reddit. Someone greatly awaken me when there's an actual win.
Thanks for this, especially with the dooming on Patriots right now....
Seriously, with how stacked the jury was in this case, people should have known the outcome by the end of jury selection.
This makes complete sense to me. Thank you for posting it.
Thanks for the post and bringing clarity and hope!
It was a biggie from a morale standpoint.
From here, it doesn't look like there are any major political victories because people aren't being executed or decapitated....or shot, or removed from public, or stopped from raising gas prices.
In reality, so much is happening, just not the victories we want. But they are victories which count.
5D chess
I can certainly go along with "wait and see." It is just painful, though, to see all the spinning about "this defeat is really a victory." I would like that to be explained by higher powers in order to take it seriously.
This was actually discussed repeatedly as a win-win either way last week and over the weekend. Most of the posts got lost due to the Durham cheering section and meme cannons fire.
Heh. Waiting didn't kill me. I can wait some more. Gettng drunk on hopium is not a good thing.
I like this post and it makes logical sense. Just us working class folk are getting killed by gas/food prices and inflation. It’s hard not to get down about this stuff when some of us are on the verge of poverty at the rate the dollar is collapsing.
It’s even worse when people who called me stupid and what not for being against the lockdowns now ask me why gas and inflation is so high.
Lockdowns were insane. I can't believe people went along with that.
You aren't alone. I am blessed with an okay income that has allowed my family to stay afloat... but most of my friends/family are struggling miserably. Between inflation and gas prices, they are starting to not be able to afford their typical groceries. Give it 6 months and many people I know will begin to fail to pay bills simply because they have to choose to get food/gas over bills.
My parents struggled miserably ever since the 2008 crash... they just got their head above water in the last couple of years as they got some certifications and moved into higher paying specialty jobs. And now, once again, they are struggling pay check to paycheck again.
Sure would love it if Jesus returned right about now lol...
This is what I've been trying my hardest to explain for the last 2 weeks on this site.
Thanks for posting!!!
Interesting and important take on the situation. Thanks for posting the screen shot.
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We're watching a movie.
Yes, just wait.. If it takes years I can live with that.
He's correct on the part about how Sussman didn't lie. Well...maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But that doesn't alter the second part of the equation - was the lie material? And the answer to that is unequivocally NO. Because the FBI was gonna FBI. Not a damn thing he could say would have any effect whatsoever on the FBI's investigation because it was already planned by the FBI to run a hoax rouse. He could have told Baker he got this from his niece's ouija board and it would have made no difference. The corrupt feds were all in on the rouse.
However, this has zero impact on Hillary. At least, from the standpoint of conviction or exoneration. She can still claim plausible deniability. Just because some jury acquits someone doesn't expunge the innuendo surrounding the charges rendering them inadmissible. Quite literally the best that could be offered to rebut that is "and Mr. Sussman was acquitted." with the corollary "just because the materiality of the statement was questionable." It doesn't push the needle one way or the other for her.
I do find it ironic that he says "USE YOUR BRAIN" & "Barr said...." in the same post. Like we close the case upon decree by Mr. KFC Bagpipes himself lol. That same dumbass also said that there was no evidence of election fraud. Suddenly his opinion on sedition carries weight...
Finally, this "gotta charge small to get evidence admitted" is a bogus assertion. What is useful are all the many witness statements under oath that make it hard to maneuver in future cases because they would be either lying then or lying now. MAYBE he got something useful out of the privileged docs that can either be used directly or used to get more "privileged" docs. But this guy has no clue how evidence works in criminal trials.
Oh man.
SUSSMAN WAS THE FALL GUY.
Sussman was SUPPOSED to take the hit. But instead, he didn't.
The straw-man fall guy they set up didn't work.
Which means now they're completely exposed.
I dunno...Durham didn't have the power to let him walk, nobody knew what the jury was going to do. There was certainly enough evidence to convict.
True, but jury makeup and Judicial bias did lean towards the end result.
IMO, while the sworn testimony revealed is good, it is also another step towards enacting the 1807 insurrection act. Fun times ahead either way.
Thanks for posting this, Pepe. Pretty much what I figured. Still was having one of those down days because it's taking a while. Have been with Q for almost 5 years. I believe in The Plan with all my heart. I am human though. GEAUX PATRIOTS!
100% dead on, Sussman can STILL be charged in a RICO case. This is all a game and the end game is to have Obama and Clinton hanging by the neck along with a load of others. It's going to happen.
Love How all these BOOMS try to mean something when they dont anymore
I’m not sure it works like that, where an individual can pay their lawyer to go lie for them and spread a known lie that the lawyer knows is a lie, and somehow the citizen gets in trouble but the lawyer is found innocent.
This is one of those times I’ll take shit at face value: Washington DC and all of its residents are worthless, disgusting, liberal trash that should be eradicated.
The "two more weeks" people are the equivalent of children in the backseat screaming "are we there yet?" every 5 minutes. They have no patience for the journey ahead of us and want instant gratification. They can't appreciate how far we've come or enjoy the scenery along the way. You don't have to buy into any of the Q stuff to see that major events are unfolding.
I agree for the most part yes... But let's not shame Patriots.win for we all share the same goals!
And Bernie can still win the 2016 nomination!
We'll see what happens.
It is kind of silly to go after her with an angle that would completely fall apart if he was convicted guilty. Because having him get off was the plan all along right? Come on people.
Lol damn it. Beat me to it
Beat you to what? A ban? That can be arranged...