There is much more to this subject but I don't want to make an already long post, longer. The larger story of how this happened stretched from well before WW1 all the way through WW2. Going all the way back to Lenin, the Bolsheviks and up to Stalin & the Soviet Union.
--- INTRO ---
To introduce you, the Holodomor Holocaust was perpetuated by Stalin on the Ukranian people as a result of growing fear of a counter-revolution as the Soviet Union sought to indigenize Ukraine & expand their empire. The holocaust was initiated by an artificial grain famine that put millions without food who eventually died. Even the Ukrainian government were effectively dethroned during this time as Stalin initiated mass-scale political repressions through widespread intimidation, arrests, and imprisonment. Thousands of Ukrainian intellectuals, church leaders, and Ukrainian Communist Party functionaries who had supported pro-Ukrainian policies were executed by the Soviet regime.
--- CAUSES OF HOLODOMOR ---
By the end of the 1920s, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin consolidated his control over the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Feeling threatened by Ukraine's strengthening cultural autonomy, Stalin took measures to destroy the Ukrainian peasantry and the Ukrainian intellectual and cultural elites to prevent them from seeking independence for Ukraine.
At the same time, Stalin decreed the First Five Year Plan, which included the collectivization of agriculture, effectively ending the NEP. Collectivization gave the Soviet state direct control over Ukraine's rich agricultural resources and allowed the state to control the supply of grain for export. Grain exports would be used to fund the USSR's transformation into an industrial power.
The majority of rural Ukrainians were independent small-scale or subsistence farmers who opposed collectivism. They were forced to surrender their land, livestock and farming tools, and work on government collective farms (kolhosps) as laborers. Historians have recorded about 4,000 local rebellions against collectivization, taxation, terror, and violence by Soviet authorities in the early 1930s. The Soviet secret police (GPU) and the Red Army ruthlessly suppressed these protests. Tens of thousands of farmers were arrested for participating in anti-Soviet activities, shot, or deported to labor camps.
The wealthy and successful farmers who opposed collectivism were labeled "kulaks" by Soviet propaganda ("kulak" literally means "a fist"). They were declared enemies of the state, to be eliminated as a class. The elimination of the so-called "kulaks" was an integral part of collectivization. It served three purposes: as a warning to those who opposed collectivization, as a means to transfer confiscated land to the collective farms, and as a means to eliminate village leadership. Thus, the secret police and the militia brutally stripped "kulaks" not only of their lands but also their homes and personal belongings, systematically deporting them to the far regions of the USSR or executing them.
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Fearing that opposition to Stalin's policies in Ukraine could intensify and possibly lead to Ukraine's secession from the Soviet Union, Stalin set unrealistically high grain procurement quotas on the farmers. Those quotas were accompanied by other Draconian measures intended to wipe out a significant part of the Ukrainian nation.
In August of 1932, the decree of "Five Stalks of Grain," stated that anyone, even a child, caught taking any produce from a collective field, could be shot or imprisoned for stealing "socialist property." At the beginning of 1933, about 54,645 people were tried and sentenced; of those, 2,000 were executed.
As famine escalated, growing numbers of farmers left their villages in search of food outside of Ukraine. Directives sent by Stalin and Molotov (Stalin's closest collaborator) in January of 1933 prevented them from leaving, effectively sealing the borders of Ukraine.
The Holodomor Holocaust started in 1932.
When did WW2 "start" & what happened leading up to it?
Here's the connection I'm making & I say this with unease. That maybe it wasn't entirely the the Jewish population we read in all the history books that were being persecuted at a mass scale, quite possibly it were Ukrainians (and in some cases, Russians). Jews were persecuted but I believe this is where history starts to diverge. At this time, thousands of Ukrainians were put on trial, thousands were executed, thousands of farmers were being deported on trains, overworked and millions of Ukrainians died as a result. Even some starving Ukrainians resorted to cannibalism in order to survive. Western institutions and the media at the time were not only covering up the truth about this Holocaust up but effectively weaponized it in order to gin up public support for a war against another country, dare I say Germany. At the time, Germany was a specific economic and military threat to western nations and it was not only a direct threat to the Soviet Union, but Britain as well. If you control the media & academia, you can literally distort history and spin it to your advantage.
No one seems to know about this. It's not that it didn't happen, it seems to of become a footnote to the pages of our history, or, actively suppressed for a reason. Wait until you read what a writer, who looked into this decades ago, had to say about the Western countries reaction to this (read below)-
Here is what a writer back in the 80's described the situation:
Writer Marco Carynyk:
"Most western intellectuals British, French, German, Canadian, American were pro-Soviet. Stalin said that he was engaged in a "great noble experiment for the benefit of all mankind". And they believed him. The primary responsibility for this lay, of course, with Stalin. He engaged- he began a deliberate campaign of misinforming the west of suppressing, concealing the facts about the famine as much as possible. This is not surprising, he had good reasons to do so in his own interest to suppress the facts.
What is surprising, however, is that institutions in the west, including reputable newspapers and major western governments went along with this and helped Stalin, in affect, to conceal the fact that millions of people had died or were dying. Now, when I say major institutions including newspapers, I have in mind specifically the New York Times, which went along with what Stalin was doing and whose reporter in Moscow, Walter Durant, he, mind you, deliberately misrepresented the facts, but even more strongly, I would say he knowingly lied.
Now, another example of this deliberate coverup is the British government. I've had the opportunity to study the archival records and it is clear that in the course of 1933, Whitehall, the British government in London, informed in great detail about what was going on in Ukraine. British embassy and consular officials in Moscow were sending back detailed dispatches week by week, day by day describing gasly things. It was no secret to people in London, to officials in London, that there was a famine going on and… 10 million people had died. The same Whitehall officials who have been receiving these reports about the famine situation and agreeing that they were true, now called this an “alleged famine”. This was the word they used, “alleged famine”, and said, ‘sorry, we cannot do anything because we have normal relations with the Soviet Union.”
Video: https://rumble.com/v1okdsg-holodomor-hidden-holocaust-1930s.html
Article: https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-genocide-education/resource-guides/holodomor
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yep. connect the dots to the great chinese famine. presently, what do you hear? bare shelves? fertilizer issues? grain facility fires?
These leftists tend to start screwing around with agriculture, even though they obviously dont know the first thing. In China, farmers were ordered to plant seeds 6” deep, and of course they didnt emerge, causing widespread crop failure and famine.
Looking back, we have to ask, were they really that incompetent? Why focus their energy and effort on farming?
Or did they know their policies would lead to famine, and thats exactly why they did it.
Im leaning more toward malice than incompetence
Malice.
Through this site I've been cognizant of our food production facilities being destroyed. But it really hit home where I'm currently working. I'm in Pendleton Oregon and they have a huge flour mill that just burned. Actually it is still burning weeks later and the smell is all over. I was talking to an older local guy and he pointed out to me that it happened just as the wheat harvest was coming in. It's huge and the entire exterior is concrete. I know somebody who works there in a serious technical position and I want to find out what he thinks happened.
If you haven't already, watch "Europa: The Last Battle" Mainly the first episode. Lots of info about what you're talking about :)
EDIT: Adding a link to Part 1: https://www.bitchute.com/video/QtLvxZ9d0yEY/
I think once you watch the first episode, it’s best to stop. The last half is rampant propaganda meant to paint Hitler as some white savior when he was a part of it, at least in the beginning.
He & most of the Nazi Brass escaped to Argentina. This is fact. How? With the night of Russia, Europe & American military after him, he & nearly all the high ranking Nazis all escaped untouched to live out their days in S. America.
Hitler’s mother was the Rothschilds servant/housemaid and was childless & away from her husband for over a year when she finds herself pregnant. Who was know to have children out of wedlock with his servants? Lord Rothschild.
This is further evidenced by the Soviet coverup of his supposed remains that were tested in last decade to discover they are a woman’s remains. Not Hitler.
Hitler didn’t kill himself & nobody killed him in Germany. He died of old age in Argentina surrounded by loved ones.
Facts. Hitler was no savior or hero. He was a pawn. He was one of them.
Yeah, the first episode has some good info.Definitely don't trust it all as a primary source.
Hitler was not a Rothschild though:
The Fake Legends of Adolf Hitler’s "Jewish Grandfather", by Carolyn Yeager (archive)
Pure nonsense.
When Hitler went into Austia, he seized the Rothschild bank and put Louis Rothschild in prison. He would not have done that if he was "one of them."
https://karlhaemers.substack.com/p/hitler-imprisoned-rothschilds
Not saying you are wrong, but it reminds me of the logic normies throw at me: "tHeRe cAnT bE nOtZeEs iN uKrAiNe bEcAuSe ZeLeNsKy iS a jOo"
Yeah episode 4 makes Hitler out to be MAGA for Germany and that's why everyone loved him and stood united behind him.
Which could be true I guess. I mean if we lose this war hypothetically they could easily paint Trump/MAGA to be the same as Nazis who were trying to destroy democracy and undermine the Constitution with false flags and lies/disinformation etc and future generations would never know the difference!! Remember, winners write the history books!
Hitler published "Mein Kampf" in 1925. By 1945, it had sold 12 million copies. Germany had 60 million people.
It's not like the German people did not understand WHY Hitler wanted to kick the jews out of Germany (better yet, Europe) and send them to Palestine. Everybody knew how treasonous the jewish leadership was. After all, they declared WAR on Germany.
thanks for summing it up before I could. It's exploitative stormfag garbage. Everything from the music to lighting to cues are designed to exploit and indoctrinate
Techniques learned from the Hollyweird Jews.
Ever seen the fake documentary-style "Schindler's List?"
Once you watch that... you can’t unwatch it.
I’ll look into if.
The cabal has used starvation to cull the herd before, and if they can get by with it they'll use it again, but first they need your guns.
Do you understand why the holomodor is not taught to the masses? You would think there was only one holocaust if you just stuck with the narrative pounded into your head by the entertainment industry and the education system. They don't cover the holomodor even though more people died because they did it.
One of the common denominators of the globalist movement is mass depopulation. This is just one we didn’t hear about because our media and historians didn’t want us to know it.
I've known about it since junior high school history class in the UK. Ironically, that Teacher was the first person I ever heard call out the first Iraq War, not long after it began, when of course everyone else supported it. That was part of my Awakening to question everything, even if it annoys people.
Holodomor was one of mass human sacrifices communists performed in Soviet territory. You can research Sandormoh, Belomorkanal, Solovetsk monastery, ...
Important distinction: for decades, all the Soviet-occupied nations spoke of occupants as “Russians”. Yes, part of them were Russians. Lenin took care to kill intelligence and destroy culture of real Russia; Stalin (not Russian!) with deportations and mass sacrifices created rootless masses who had no language (were fluent in none) and spoke some pidgin Russian as a result. Bolsheviks (Lenin's fraction of communists) were mainly of nationality you can not criticize, and so was his government; Soviets were the result of mass migration: grasshoppers without culture or heritage.
This is when Walter Duranty, reporting for the NYT, preached to the world that it wasn't happening, while he was in Russia watching it be organized and visited Ukraine to watch it happen.
And won a Pultizer for it.
All I can say. There’s alot of reasons why most of Eastern Europe dislikes to varying extents or outright despises Russia and or Russians in general. It’s a relationship much like the Irish and English. Or English and Scottish. Or Welsh and English for the matter. Stories of massacres, atrocities, discrimination etc.
Though most of Eastern Europe has thus far been content to leave it at a Frosty diplomatic relationship. And Russias tact or lack thereof for diplomatic niceties and stubbornness when dealing with the remnants of the astounding plethora of unfortunate “incidents” during the Soviet era hasn’t done much to thaw relations.
There’s still a simmering undercurrent of anger that can be leveraged and brought to a boil by politicians and outside groups looking to cause problems. Ala Ukraine and Zelensky and company.
Really a sad and tragic situation. With no real easy solution to prevent future similar problems for the foreseeable future.
Dealing with the foreign influence causing issues will help. You still have the homegrown domestic influence in those nations.
Very true statements and observations.
Up until recently (past yr or so) Baltic/Russia relations were healthier than they had ever been. Optimism about NS2. Typical commonplace mass consumption of RU products, fashion, television, and culture interests.
But not now thanks to MSM & Western influenced govts using the existing underlying grudges and memories of the greater populous to create intense anti Russian public sentiments.
I've never seen it so bad before publicly. Reminds me of stories my family would share during Soviet times. Except now all of the animosity and abject hatred is coming from my side.
Funny, you grow up hearing stories like you cannot speak your native language on a public bus for example for fear of reprisal, and 30 yrs later the victims have become the antagonists! Clown world indeed.
Hi, neighbor :)
Can confirm, here, north from you, Russian-speakers now often pretend to be English-speakers.
Yes, I've heard similar stories here.
The whole thing is disgusting and fascinating to me. Really didn't amplify until this special mil operation regarding UKR... Regardless of the fact the war has been going on for near a decade.
Aside from gopniks and other vocal (often drunken or prideful) miscreants, there's not much physical altercations outside of when the war monuments were demolished (which LV govt began planning long before current UKR situation) or for example in April, there were large protests down embassy row(s) in old Riga.
I've heard there is some issues out East, in Daugavpils and there's been spotty "degpunkts" style LTV coverage, but nothing too alarming or unexpected.
But hey! At least we have gaze through January!
This sounds similar to what is beginning in Europe and the land buy outs, destruction of cattle, droughts via water takeover in California, paying farmers not to grow products, destruction of poultry-Avian diseases, destruction of processing plants, baby formula shortage, regulations about raising your own chickens, registering your garden, etc.
The jews had openly declared war on Germany, and were leading a communist takeover in Germany like they had already done in Russia a couple of decades earlier.
The communists had occupied parts of Germany, post-WW1. It's not like it was a theoretical threat. The threat was very REAL.
What would YOU have done?
What a great dig, fren! Thank you!
I knew about this - I had a based history teacher that told my class about Walter Duranty and his role in covering up the genocide (for which he won a Pulitzer Prize in journalism. The more things change ...). There was a movie made a couple of years ago called Mr. Jones about the Welsh journalist who tried to break the real story of the Holodomor.
Also, I'm not the biggest fan of Anne Applebaum, but I do recommend her work Red Famine, which is a good start for anyone wanting to delve into the Holodomor. She has her biases but does a good job of keeping Red Famine even handed and objective.
Yes but keep posting this info. If even one person learns from this then it was a useful post.
I have only seen/heard of the Holodomor/Holocaust in passing (here and in links posted here), so I'm not very informed about it yet. However, just reading this post I'm struck by the similarities between then and now.
'They' are literally following the same playbook. They are setting us up to be economically, medically, nutritionally, socially, and mentally weakened. What better way to control a population than to undermine it in every way?
The difference this time is information. Many have information about what they are trying to do and are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it. From Q level efforts to common people, we are united. This is something the deep state didn't plan on.
Make no mistake, though. They don't value us or our lives. We are cattle to be used and abused for their benefit and pleasure. They won't hesitate or feel remorse if they have to cause full-scale destruction to maintain control. And we will rise to meet them.
Heads on a swivel. NCSWIC
Compare the Biden admin's America to the Weimar Republic in Germany. They are setting us up.
Europa The Last Battle Parts 1 and 2 do a deep dive on this. Brutal and sickening beyond belief what they did. Ten times worse than Hitler.
This is shorter than Europa and not quite as dark but good solid info. https://rumble.com/v144lq8-pop-episode-iv-weimar-and-world-war-too-ipot-presents-4.22.22.html
Seems right on the money. The holocaust (did it even happen?) was supposed the big one, the ouchie! moment of the jew. Six million of them murdered... or not? There is a book on this number, it is titled "Six Million Open Gates". Author S.A.R. Lynch. Search for it, there is a pdf version out there.
From what I understand of my families history, we came from Prussia and fled with the retreating Germans when they got pushed out of Russia(ww2). Everything was stolen, land etc. And you were very lucky to survive what was going on in the country. Not all of my family made it.
And they are going after farmers AGAIN. And trying to create famines. The same communist play book.
"the Holodomor Holocaust was perpetuated by Stalin on the Ukrainian people" I think you mean perpetrated.
YeahI thought that's typically taught in schools that jews were not the only target nor were they a massive majority. At least that's what I learned in highschool
Thank you for posting. This is crucial to understanding the reason why Ukraine is so corrupt (the country not the citizens), and how American government post WW2 was heavily influenced by bolshevik communism. The red scare was real. It makes you consider what our real motives were in WWII
For anyone doubting that Ukrainians want no part of being Russian... this is a major reason why.
@Jordy - you should write a book yourself. Nicely done.
Strange how this used to be taught in my Jr high and high school? On a group text with my younger bros mid 90s grads and they aware too- we discussed pre Bidet in WH- history repeats Am I THAT old? Class Is late 1980s
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Historians disagree about whether Holodomor was intentional. The fact that it's been accepted as genocide is ridiculous TBH. It was mismanagement, typical communist bullshit. The idea that Stalin did it on purpose to genocide Ukraine is a completely unsupported idea.
With communists, one should never ascribe to incompetence anything which could adequately be explained by malice.
I like to say that most of these malicious people are plenty competent. They're evil on purpose. They're evil with a purpose.
This assumes they are capable of being competent, but choose not to. It's wrong.
Communism isn't an ideal which it's impossible to reach because of man's lack of competence, it is a framework designed for control and genocide with a deniable cover. It's very clever. I expect the cabal has been planning this for centuries , using all their occult knowledge of the human condition. They knew it would always lead to genocide, it's meant to.
Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were not incompetent, they were psycho cabalists.
Have you seen that picture of Stalin doing the "hidden hand" ?
Stalin doing the "hidden hand"
Thanks.
Do you not notice that you are redefining the word "intentional" in order to argue that it was intentional?
If you wanna take your thought process to it's logical conclusion, then you'd have to admit that it was the Khazarians who took over Russia to form the USSR, then proceeded to starve Ukraine. Really it was Ukrainians doing it to themselves.
The OP's assertion that Russia wanted to expand into Ukraine is ridiculous, since Ukraine was already part of the USSR, and prior to that, part of Russia.
OP also omits that the vast majority of the territory of present day Ukraine was given to them as a gift by Lenin in 1922. So, the real story is that Khazarians from Ukraine took control of Russia and started slicing off pieces of Russia to give to themselves - making parts of Russia into Ukraine. They mismanaged the food supply and starved Ukraine, whether intentional or not we will never know. But the whole narrative that Russia was evil and that all the other USSR states like Ukraine were oppressed by evil Russia is retarded. Most of the USSR's leaders were either from Ukraine or were raised there. The Ukraine was just as evil as Russia during the period of the USSR. It's a long a complicated history.
Today's war between Russia and Ukraine is simple Russia correcting this mistake.
When you burn crops and send farmers to hard labor camps in Siberia, it's intentional.
Thank you. FFS people are so brainwashed. This is easily researched.
Yes, that's the way I see it.
Not really Ukrainians are not all Khazarians and vice-versa. I expect the Khazarians were trying to genocide the non-Khazarians.
I agree with most of this except this bit:
I'm sure it was intentional. It's easy for those in power to reallocate the resources to their favoured groups and to deny the non favoured groups those resources to the point of starvation.
The communists (Khazars and their henchmen) used that to dispossess and starve the other steppe peoples living in the Ukraine.
It's similar to what was about to happen in Donbass if Russia had not intervened, the ethnic Russians would have been driven out or killed, leaving the cabal Khazars in charge.
No incompetence, no mistakes.
That's not what the British said.
Lol good one
It can be both. They needed grain to feed the exploding city populations, combine that with an historically poor year of weather and communist misnanagement and you get the aforementioned disaster.
The communists hated the NEP (new economic plan) they we forced into it by the Kulaks and peasants. They waited to get the tractors and equipment to replace them,they they intentionally killed them off.
It was no accident.
Historians disagree. Prove it.
Read their own words. They wrote tons of books on Russia in the 20s and 30s.
Historians just write propaganda these days,and have about as much credibility as the msm.
This particular take, expressed by the OP, is your standard MSM take, actually. There is nothing here whatsoever that contradicts the mainstream narrative. In fact, OP's opinion borders on the "it wasn't real communism!" excuse, used by leftists who deny Soviet atrocities. OP is saying communism could work, but Evil Stalin made communism look bad.
What I am saying is shit like the Ukraine famine are inherent to communism. OP is saying communism could have worked, and Stalin could have fed Ukraine, but chose not to out of spite. Not only is this view not supported by actual facts, like the fact that grain shipments to Ukraine actually increased during the famine, but it is essentially a form of the "not real communism" excuse.
Of course grain shipments increased, previously they only exported grain. But I agree this is inherent to communism. They hated the NEP which was just capitalism. It was considered a temporary pull back from communism, and Stalin intentianly caused the holodmor,to punish them and to kill off the peasants that were no longer needed for grain production.
Unsupported in so much as he caused it and then murdered them by forcing them to stay and starve. Oh and the forced labor camps.
You ok? The things you're saying come across as really, really... ... dumb...