Doesn't it just amaze you. I just told that to my wife. Like how can so many elections be 50-50 split nearly? It just seems strange that things are that close and divided that evenly in a culture of a country.
Since 2000 it has arguably been rigged. We haven't had a real election in 20 years AT LEAST. Clinton v Dole was convincing, but 2000 was clearly decided for Bush, they just slipped up in Florida. Every election since has been a fuckin "nail biter".
Bush won that election. The DS was fucking around in Florida all night on Election Day 2000. The media called the state for Gore before the heavily conservative panhandle was closed!
Gore was going to concede, but they decided to fight it ... mainly to help drive the country further apart. I also think the media/DS loved the whole idea of "Red vs Blue" going forward after that election.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is DS ... but that 2000 election was engineered fuckery ... if Bush was really on our side, he would have been calling out the DS like Trump did right after that fiasco. Instead, he just lied back and took it from the DS ... and all of that had to be by design.
Bush was the chosen one. Gore probably had to go along with it because underlings not having been told the intended outcome interfered.
Like imagine it, he's going out to "concede" but an aide runs up and says, "hey, you didn't lose" what's he supposed to do? "Nah, I'll concede anyway" then an audit takes place and the cheating units are uncovered.
Or... He decides to "fight it", it's drawn out for a week at most, a huge divisive controversy is generated in the process and in the end they get back on track anyway and Americans don't know any different.
It doesn't matter who "won" because America still fucking lost.
I am a software engineer and I have never understood how countries could allow electronic voting systems for their national elections. In my country it is still paper and pencil. "Machines" and so called anonymous "drop boxes" are not allowed for national elections.
You can vote "absentee" up to a few weeks before, but only by showing up at designated places like public libraries, and you have to show ID. There are special considerations for hospitalized, nursing home residents and handicapped, but it is always by showing ID. Ballots are never sent out to people.
Electronic voting systems are the biggest scam in history, and almost no one realizes that...
Ballot counting is open to the public, or at least to representatives of each party. I don't believe the ballots have serial numbers, but each voting place (usually a school gym) sends in their result to the department of interior.
At the end, the total tallies for each voting place are made public and printed in the two largest newspapers.
Thanks. Yes, I doubt that anywhere in the world has serialised ballots, but it's an idea that might take on after all the election rigging that we have seen gone on. Publishing the localised polling results sounds excellent because then the poll watchers at those locations can verify that they are correct and the public can tally all the results up for themselves.
The one major loophole could still be the voter roles, which can be filled up with phantom voters. And, of course, if the boxes of ballots are taken out of sight and then brought into the room for the party representatives to watch, the problem is that they could have been stuffed with votes in the back room.
Each voting place knows exactly who may turn up to vote (they cross you out on a list, when you collect your ballot), so stuffing the ballot boxes is difficult.
Cheating is of course always possible, but only locally and in small numbers.
Edit: Having phantom voters is not possible. Big Brother knows exactly who is legally allowed to vote, and that list is distributed to each voting place. If you are illegally in the country, you don't exist on the voter roles.
Trump tried to get Brazil to overload the election.
They still most likely cheated and his plan didn’t work.
I love Trump.
But it’s the military or nothing for me.
Yes we still to vote like hell.
But the issue with voting is the normies.
There is enough normies that will say to accept the election and move on. So the deep state can cheat by using the electronic system to say votes are not valid.
I don't know where Brazil is in their exposure of this crap. Are they 2 years behind us? Lula is CCP/CIA controlled Commie thug that will not hesitate to murder the 2/3 of the population opposed to his criminal syndicate.
Maybe a Partition and Civil War would be a better outcome for conservatives in Brazil with fewer casualties compared to a Cultural Revolution mass murder which is clearly on the Lula agenda?
That is what I’m hearing too. I’m hearing that the cheating was so obvious in this election that it will wake up a lot of people and then when they do the recount it will show how much the machines cheat. Maybe this is the event that will kick off everything. Let’s keep praying!
too early... right now the whole coutry highways are being blocked by truckers and Agriculture ppl... they give the Military 72 hrs to take the power, and say the roads will stay closed until the military does so.
How are people going to learn the difference between good and evil without experiencing one after the other? The Brazilians just saw good, now they must see evil. ~ Lucifer.
The banking elite are having a good time getting updates about this between meals from their castles in Europe while their cousins visit and all of the children play in the lawn.
Not shocking, sad to say. Voting is the people's ambrosia. Elections serve only to perpetuate the illusion that your voice matters. True in Brazil as here in U.S.
I know a few dozen Brazilians - none of them wanted either option, bjt they want bolsonaro less yet.
He had done nothing to stop two of the biggest problems they face - economy and mountain/farm land being stolen by mirderous gangs. They literally decide they want your land for whatever reason, go slaughter you and your family if you don’t give it to them, then it’s theirs. Govt and police aren’t helping stop it. Been going on for over a decade
I think you misunderstand- this isn’t a left/right issue, no one party is changing nor responsible for it. The title does nothing to stop the violent takeover of land. No military or police are going and taking this land back or protecting it. It’s literally Wild West shit going on where “we want your land” is decided by guns - no one gives a fuck about your land title.
But sure “misinformation!! Muh Google and gaw headlines told me otherwise” dipshit. What’s next, a republican gets in charge of the Congo and you’re gonna shill for them if someone says “there’s no more roaming tribal gangs slaughtering villagers - that was all cuz of the former leftist, this new guy established pieces of paper!”
With so many elections being split almost 50/50, it's almost becoming a trend. Like it's designed to cause division and unrest.
i noticed the 51 49 years ago....it part of the illusion
Yeah, more believable than 98/2 in Russian elections
Or the 100/0 in North Korean elections.
Considering that Ukraine has been shelling Donbass for the last eight years of civil war, the referendum results should have been 100/0.
Doesn't it just amaze you. I just told that to my wife. Like how can so many elections be 50-50 split nearly? It just seems strange that things are that close and divided that evenly in a culture of a country.
There is no way America is 50/50. I won't guess but D's are no more than ~35%
Since 2000 it has arguably been rigged. We haven't had a real election in 20 years AT LEAST. Clinton v Dole was convincing, but 2000 was clearly decided for Bush, they just slipped up in Florida. Every election since has been a fuckin "nail biter".
Bush won that election. The DS was fucking around in Florida all night on Election Day 2000. The media called the state for Gore before the heavily conservative panhandle was closed!
Gore was going to concede, but they decided to fight it ... mainly to help drive the country further apart. I also think the media/DS loved the whole idea of "Red vs Blue" going forward after that election.
Don't get me wrong, Bush is DS ... but that 2000 election was engineered fuckery ... if Bush was really on our side, he would have been calling out the DS like Trump did right after that fiasco. Instead, he just lied back and took it from the DS ... and all of that had to be by design.
It was also the event that ushered computerized voting machines.
Bush was the chosen one. Gore probably had to go along with it because underlings not having been told the intended outcome interfered.
Like imagine it, he's going out to "concede" but an aide runs up and says, "hey, you didn't lose" what's he supposed to do? "Nah, I'll concede anyway" then an audit takes place and the cheating units are uncovered.
Or... He decides to "fight it", it's drawn out for a week at most, a huge divisive controversy is generated in the process and in the end they get back on track anyway and Americans don't know any different.
It doesn't matter who "won" because America still fucking lost.
Like SCOTUS 5-4 decisions. Never liked that.
WE DID
Came here to say that.
Ugh, so true.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Notice it stops the 3rd time.
Need to stop it before it happens a second time!
NOT YET!
I am a software engineer and I have never understood how countries could allow electronic voting systems for their national elections. In my country it is still paper and pencil. "Machines" and so called anonymous "drop boxes" are not allowed for national elections.
You can vote "absentee" up to a few weeks before, but only by showing up at designated places like public libraries, and you have to show ID. There are special considerations for hospitalized, nursing home residents and handicapped, but it is always by showing ID. Ballots are never sent out to people.
Electronic voting systems are the biggest scam in history, and almost no one realizes that...
Your system sounds okay, but it could still do with some improvements:
Use pens instead of pencils which can be erased
Secure serialised ballots (similar to bank checks)
Give voters the serial number of their ballot
Even better, give them a carbon copy of their entire ballot
Publish results online with serial numbers so the public can verify their vote
Provide access to the voter roles so that they can be publicly audited
Video record all access to boxes of ballots, counting, etc.
Free public access to be poll watchers/scrutineers
Ballot counting is open to the public, or at least to representatives of each party. I don't believe the ballots have serial numbers, but each voting place (usually a school gym) sends in their result to the department of interior.
At the end, the total tallies for each voting place are made public and printed in the two largest newspapers.
Thanks. Yes, I doubt that anywhere in the world has serialised ballots, but it's an idea that might take on after all the election rigging that we have seen gone on. Publishing the localised polling results sounds excellent because then the poll watchers at those locations can verify that they are correct and the public can tally all the results up for themselves.
The one major loophole could still be the voter roles, which can be filled up with phantom voters. And, of course, if the boxes of ballots are taken out of sight and then brought into the room for the party representatives to watch, the problem is that they could have been stuffed with votes in the back room.
Each voting place knows exactly who may turn up to vote (they cross you out on a list, when you collect your ballot), so stuffing the ballot boxes is difficult.
Cheating is of course always possible, but only locally and in small numbers.
Edit: Having phantom voters is not possible. Big Brother knows exactly who is legally allowed to vote, and that list is distributed to each voting place. If you are illegally in the country, you don't exist on the voter roles.
Countries allow electronic voting because the people in power want to use the electronic voting to stay in power, and do so
Yes, but that can only happen in banana republics... /s
So they can cheat, of course.
Yeah, i know, but normies don't think that way...
Electronic voting is about as legit as online gambling
'Xactly
Hand recount
It’d be a laugh if they did this in just couple of days.
Does this make Trump look bad?
I love Trump. But it’s the military or nothing for me.
Yes we still to vote like hell. But the issue with voting is the normies.
There is enough normies that will say to accept the election and move on. So the deep state can cheat by using the electronic system to say votes are not valid.
I don't know where Brazil is in their exposure of this crap. Are they 2 years behind us? Lula is CCP/CIA controlled Commie thug that will not hesitate to murder the 2/3 of the population opposed to his criminal syndicate.
Maybe a Partition and Civil War would be a better outcome for conservatives in Brazil with fewer casualties compared to a Cultural Revolution mass murder which is clearly on the Lula agenda?
He got blocked by corrupt judges trying to get rid of fraud machines a few months back I believe.
Now he conveniently loaes by 'just 1%'. Yeah...
Expose it!
I can’t believe this. It’s all an illusion that our votes count.
Right, what I prefer to do call it is political theater 🎭
Pretty scary isn’t it…
I’m pretty upset. I feel very frustrated. This is a blow.
Yeah, you and I both. I'm going to take a little break from this and dive back into this stuff later.
Just a quick thought... Maybe this is all part of the plan to catch them in the act? Who knows
That is what I’m hearing too. I’m hearing that the cheating was so obvious in this election that it will wake up a lot of people and then when they do the recount it will show how much the machines cheat. Maybe this is the event that will kick off everything. Let’s keep praying!
What the Brazil people need to do is an audit of all votes and even those votes that were thrown out.
Yes that would be interesting.
People wake up any more and we’ll all be in rehab for meth
they have no choice, but to continue cheating.
they can't lose control of the levers of power.
Always such a close victory when the globalist wins...
who could have seen this coming
You're an idiot who can't learn if you didn't see this coming. 2020 wasn't fixed. You expect fair elections now? Why?
What do the Brazilian generals say?
too early... right now the whole coutry highways are being blocked by truckers and Agriculture ppl... they give the Military 72 hrs to take the power, and say the roads will stay closed until the military does so.
Rigged. Even if the right guy wins at this point, election fraud is up and about. So nothing changed in Brazil.
Lula is CCP Controlled correct? Would this have something to do with BRICS? Was Bolsonaro for BRICS?
2 different things.CCP does not mean BRICS in general. Brics is opposed to globalism
What’s the threshold for hand count in Brazil?
Will a country 86% the size of the USA stand by while their elections are stolen?
The size of the country doesn't matter. It is the size of the fight in the people that matters. Just ask the USA.
How are people going to learn the difference between good and evil without experiencing one after the other? The Brazilians just saw good, now they must see evil. ~ Lucifer.
And we were expecting a different outcome, why?
The banking elite are having a good time getting updates about this between meals from their castles in Europe while their cousins visit and all of the children play in the lawn.
I’ll tag this here too Boss. Some good info about the possible, most likely cheat/fraud that just took place in Brazil.
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/analysis/2022/10/30/breaking-forensic-experts-suggest-mathematical-red-flags-in-first-round-of-brazilian-presidential-election-cites-benfords-law/
What do you suggest they do about it?
Not shocking, sad to say. Voting is the people's ambrosia. Elections serve only to perpetuate the illusion that your voice matters. True in Brazil as here in U.S.
you mean they aren't going to keep counting for a week and a half?
I know a few dozen Brazilians - none of them wanted either option, bjt they want bolsonaro less yet. He had done nothing to stop two of the biggest problems they face - economy and mountain/farm land being stolen by mirderous gangs. They literally decide they want your land for whatever reason, go slaughter you and your family if you don’t give it to them, then it’s theirs. Govt and police aren’t helping stop it. Been going on for over a decade
missinformation! bolsonaro did the biggest land reform ever, What you describe is the former leftist gov. Bolsonaro stopped this!
I think you misunderstand- this isn’t a left/right issue, no one party is changing nor responsible for it. The title does nothing to stop the violent takeover of land. No military or police are going and taking this land back or protecting it. It’s literally Wild West shit going on where “we want your land” is decided by guns - no one gives a fuck about your land title.
But sure “misinformation!! Muh Google and gaw headlines told me otherwise” dipshit. What’s next, a republican gets in charge of the Congo and you’re gonna shill for them if someone says “there’s no more roaming tribal gangs slaughtering villagers - that was all cuz of the former leftist, this new guy established pieces of paper!”