It doesn't matter how perfect the explanation is, they do not think for themselves and will not change their belief

#5 - The lady frogs are gonna roast me over this, but it's still true. Billionaires are like rock stars. They can have just about any woman they want. Why would Trump have settled for anything less than a 10 in both looks and character? Have you noticed the ladies that are accusing him? Would you say that any of them are 10's in any way? They're just trying to cash in because some lawyer told them they might at least get a settlement to make them go away like stormy. I'm an old frog and I've never seen him lower his standards.

You can't reason with someone who holds their belief emotionally....

All of those points are character attacks, and have absolutely nothing to do with his job qualifications for being president of the USA. He has already been president, and his job record reflects well to support his superb qualifications for being president again. The point being- "How does any of that affect his performance as a president?"

The Russian asset accusation is a non-point, because it has been thoroughly proven that the "secret Russian agent" propaganda was all fabricated lies created by the Clinton campaign, and promoted by political enemies.

There is no "sexual battery, or rape" as that would be a criminal offense, which he has not been criminally charged for. So, again a non-point regarding a civil lawsuit, with a Trump hater judge overseeing the case for a money grubbing, gold-digger bitch, both out to "get Trump."

On #3, he said “I am sue some are very fine people”. Do they realize that after WW II many of the Nazi leaders were brought to the U.S. and placed in our government? Do the realize that GHW Bush’s father colluded with the Nazis via business? What about the Dems and their love of Socialism, censorship, support of violent BLM and Antifa?

#4-where is the proof contractors were not paid? You can say anything about anybody, but you need proof to back it up. #5-Where is the sexual battery and rape? Do they honestly believe he raped that stupid woman in a department store? He could do better than that lunatic.

What about all the good Trump did for the U.S.: getting persons released being held in foreign countries, lower taxes, higher stock markets, lower interest rates, opportunity zones in inner cities, decreased illegal immigration, building the wall, no wars, 2nd chance for prisoners convicted and spending years in prison for minor felonies/misdemeanors, higher wages, decreased unemployment, etc.

Do they even look at what Biden has done: complicit in child trafficking-85,000 children missing, sniffing children and women, showering with his daughter, rejecting his grandchild, stealing documents as VP and denying the FBI access, shaking down the Ukraine and China, biolabs in Ukraine, breaking up a marriage and marrying a Jill after Joe’s wife was “killed” in a traffic accident, etc.

I did not vote for a saint, i voted for the greatest leader/POTUS in history that just three years ago, HAD the US. record economy and record Low unemployment.

When they say "Pootin" just point out that the massive campaign to frame Trump for Russian collusion turned out to be 100% bullshit made up by their goddess Hillary.

You are arguing with a plant

Trying to argue with a Liberal is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It is a waste of your time and it annoys the pig.

#4 - Large non-governmental construction projects operate under contracts that are termed as "Paid when paid". This means that sub-contractors don't get paid if the main contractor doesn't get paid. The sub-contractors know this when they sign on and know the risks. Sometimes they sign the contracts because it's so profitable to work on these projects. Other times it's because it's the only contract available that can keep their guys working. This is one reason why the big companies prefer government contracts because the government always over pays and the contractors get paid no matter what.

Nothing will ever be valid to them. They are totally incapable of reason.

I'm really surprised that him being a racist is not on the list.

That's always the dims go-to card...

Most common thing that I have heard, "I just never really liked that guy."

Omg….I heard from a severe TDS case, “…because Trump cheated in college.”

What?

1. Not all business ventures succeed.
2. Proven false.
3. He said "both sides". Nazis (from Ukraine) were not one of those sides.
4. The tax breaks that the business case rested upon were taken away by the democrats and tubed the business. I think all the contractors got paid.
5. Never happened. She couldn't identify a date or even a year. That is because Trump has an archived calendar with what he did/where he traveled. She and her lawyers knew that would destroy her case. This is not something she would forget. She has lots of rape fantasies. She would have framed the incident. Lastly, Trump had prime steak at home and he would not have sexually assaulted maggot covered rotten dog meat.

General: Trump is so clean he squeaks. That is why the DS has to make shit up.

I have a left leaning democrat girlfriend. She would give you her last dime if you needed it however politically she just doesn't get it....She hates Trump. I have tried to red pill her for the last 3 years but to no avail. She thinks Trump is a bully and said the Office of the Presidency should have a respectable man or woman that people can look up to and be proud of. I about choked on my coffee because she voted for Biden. I asked her to give me an example when She saw Trump being a bully besides hearing it on MSM and she quickly changed the subject. I decided to start sending her daily clips of Biden sniffing and fondling children because I know she has not seen these videos on MSM. The latest one I sent was the one of Biden chomping on this little girls back and him sniffing her and the baby girl trying to get away from him. I sent a message with it asking if these actions are appropriate for a President of the United States? She now admits Biden shouldn't be President but neither should Trump. I don't think I will be able to convince her to get on the Trump train as long as she continues to watch MSM.

How many business ventures has he started? Over 100. How many have failed? Like 5? That would make a 95% success rate for the man.

I probably wouldn't bother with most of these people. They have decided they want to dislike the man, and then choose the reason that feels best to give. People like this simply aren't thinking on our level yet. Are they Trump voters? You can dislike a person but still think he would make a good president just as much as you can really like a person but NOT think he'd make a good one.

For some of the people who dislike him for business reasons, you can point out some statistics about how few start up businesses actually are successful and how many "misses" even the most successful people make. How come he actually lost money as president, yet average no name senators become millionaires off a 150,000 a year job?

I dunno, good luck with this. I choose to not really engage with people anymore about this really base-level shit.

I think its better we make a list of the GREAT things he did as President.

1. Start no wars

I don't think there's any effective counter to such nonsense. It all boils down to "I hate Trump because that's what the TV told me to do!" It's a kind of secular religion to them, and no amount of reasoning will penetrate their knee-jerk defenses.

1. Trump stopped foreign wars, reshored American manufacturing, secured our borders, made us energy independent, gave you a tax cut, and you're worried he overcharged a few wannabe CEOs?

2. That was a lie. We've spent the last 4 years hearing it debunked. Hillary Clinton made that up, paid off a washed up British spy to feed it to the FBI, got a corrupt FBI to use the fake report as an excuse to spy on his campaign and then to spy on him in the WH and trash him in the media. Trump has never had anything to do with Vladimir Putin. He did more to weaken Russia economically and geopolitically than anything Obama or Biden did.

3. Listen to the rest of the quote, literally the rest of the sentence.

4. Of all the things to worry about in this world, you're still holding a grudge about some contractor a casino hired? Biden's taking multi-million dollar bribes from literally anyone with a checkbook from Ukrainian oligarchs to the chief of the Chinese intelligence agency. He just wasted $200 billion of your tax dollars getting 300K+ Ukrainian put into cemeteries trying to cover it up and you're worried about underpaid janitors?

5. E Jean Carroll smiles a lot for a woman who was raped and never reported it. I know women who were really raped. They never describe rape as a "fantasy." You should be embarrassed to have believed that lie.

1. He licenced something once, and same as if you sell anything, there are complaints, motivated haters can compile complaints for a name-licenced product or service and use that to denigrate. It's not entirely illegitimate, vetting licence users is important and nobody is perfect.
2. That would require evidence, and the last 6 years of investigation finding nothing at all would strongly imply the story is from motivated haters.
3. The fine-people hoax is something that people who care about the truth can look into to get the full quote, where the full context neutralises the criticisms you see.
4. With business ventures there are terms and contracts and inevitably contract disputes, those can be examined and resolved, or they can remain contentious, but they are common features of all business ventures where companies interact. Rarely is a dispute due to the influence of a single person.
5. With wealth and prominence comes attention and all legal complaints follow process, as yet there are no proven allegations, only the typical amount associated with high profile people. We have seen people that are prominent actually be convicted of crimes like this, such as Harvey Weinstein, or Epstein, so we can expect justice to be done here also if a crime is present but as yet nothing has been proven. Innocent until proven guilty is something worth protecting, no?

this is some serious reddit energy dude

help i don't know how to debate for myself tell me what to say

I have a friend who relies on name calling; specifically, "fascist." Honestly, an argument with her would be fruitless. I did just suggest that she watch the Sound of Freedom the other day. If she does, the game changes, and conversations become more interesting..

Stay out of the weeds. Avoid details. Listen to Dave X-22 Report.

Here is your best all - purpose argument, "When the guy in the trench next to you is shooting in the right direction, let him keep shooting."

As soon as someone starts about Trump being a Very Bad Man then whatever their reason (and most times they don't even give a reason) I just say "Oh I'm the opposite I really like him."

Awkward silence, but they are desperately inquisitive to find out how it is even possible for anyone to like a guy who to them is irredeemably unlikeable so they always ask me "why?"

I reply "First American president in 40 years not to start a new war." (I am in England.)

They never say anything. What could you say after that because obviously not starting wars outranks anything they could say about grabbing them by the pussy and so on.

I encounter more issues with people on the right who are moving away from him because:

1. He’s “controlled by Israel” (Kushner, all his talk about Israel)
2. Vaccine support to this day
3. He abandoned J6 prisoners/didn’t pardon

Maybe these people don’t need to be woken up as much as the lefties, but a lot of times I don’t have good responses for them

A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. You can force feed these idiots but they will never believe. 6% may be a too small of a number!

I would ask them to show your work, since everything you said is patently false. When they say NO!! You prove it! I would say you're the one who is stating reasons why orange man bad, you need to back up your statements, not me.

Successfully persuading someone =/= winning a debate ie beating them with better facts.

Creating an adversarial set up ie "I win. I'm right: You lose. You're wrong" guarantees people will NOT hear what's said much less take what's said to heart.

Debates put everyone in competitive attack and protect mode. He who listens loses.

Scott Adams offers a good intro to persuasion that uses what Trump does to illustrate basic persuasion techniques, "How to Win, Bigly".

Successfully persuading someone involves the same patience and self discipline that's needed to gentle any wild and fearful animal.

THAT is NOTHING! TRUMP is the MOST INVESTEGATED AND MOST INNOCENT MAN ON THE PLANET! FAKE NEWS PROPAGANDA NETWORKS ATTACKS HIM DAILY!

1. TRUMP University - Some of Trumps businesses failed and bankrupted - when you have 100s of business sometimes things fail. Failure is part of what makes someone an eventual success. Almost ALL billionaires have failures on their resume. 2 fake news 3 not true - he said there were good people on BOTH sides when there was an argument about a confederate statue being torn down. That's all.
2. ALL BUILDERS have unpaid contractors from time to time - MOSTLY when the job was not completed property and in a timely manner. That was so far back that the REAL details are pure speculation. If a contractor is owed there are legal ways to collect. But some contractors just whine. BTW... contractors line up to work for Trump. Think of all the projects that have been built since then. A disgruntled contractor is like a disgruntled employee - there are 2 sides to the story. 5- not true - the last case they dropped the rape charge and only charged him with defamation. 100% fake news garbage.

Trump University....had to look that one up. Never heard of it. Seems like a really lame excuse not to like Trump because a bunch of losers have sour grapes or just suck in general.

Either way, nobody who disses Trump at this point is going to convert... that is unless we start going over the cliff and they see for themselves, it's the only logical move...then again, stupidity is rampant so who knows.

Don't argue with idiots; it is a waste of time.