I believe Trump posted that to confirm to us what most of us already understand… This is The Red October.
[:22] = Sept 23 points to Q1294 "Boom week ahead."
7 days later on the clock...
Q864 March 6, 2018 = [:29] = Sept 30 "Wait & see.
Re_read drops - you have more than you know.
Eyes in the SKY.
SUM OF ALL FEARS //\"
Q520 Jan 13, 2018 = [:37] on the Clock (Oct 8) "What public disclosure occurred re: U1? DEFCON 1 [NON-NUKE FALSE]"
Obviously this had other connotations at the time, but double meetings…
False narrative of "it was non-nuclear" coming maybe?
Oct 5 to 12 ~ [:34] to [:41]are VERY significant days on the QClock.October 8 [:37] specifically.
I believe somewhere in here falls the "10 days of darkness."
(I made a post to teach GAW how to identify video of nuke vs non-nuke. Unfortunately Apple and android have modified their software to try to wash out this telltale sign from videos… Same technology they use for those clever "face filters")
We will see...
Trump pointing to Archangel Michael's prayer seems to be a 'prayer before tough days ahead' if you will.
Serious question - not looking to argue with anyone here.
When catholics pray to Michael or Mary, do they do so aloud or silently? Because they are not omniscient. They are not able to read your thoughts or your mind.
They are also not omnipresent. So unless they just happen to be hanging out with you, at work, at home, wherever you are, they are not going to hear your prayer, even if you pray aloud.
If God, Christ, and his Angels are dimensional beings, you inner mind is therefore a window for them. Aloud or silently, if you need them to hear it, they will. Some things they cannot act on though and other things they could/can. But they hear you my friend and along your timeline, in some mysterious way, they will help with what they can.
That's why I believe it's best to look to what the bible says about the subject. Jesus Himself taught the apostles how to pray. And He never said it's acceptable to pray to created beings (angels, Mary.)
I'm sure some people think I'm just trying to pick a fight, and with sincerity, I am not. I just want to understand why catholics believe it's okay to pray to them. I don't see any biblical support for this and it's a pretty huge deal in the catholic church. I know, because I was raised catholic, l had first holy communion, confirmation and went to catholic school, learned catechism (for more than being taught the bible) and so forth.
In fact, I can distinctly remember being taught by a nun that since Mary is Jesus' mother, He will obey her. So if we pray to her to ask for something, she will tell Him and He will answer our pray and give it to us because He has to be an obedient son.
But nobody has been able to answer this question with biblical proof. And to me, it's a very, very serious thing. Because I love Jesus with all my heart and I want all people to know and love Him the way that I do. And I honestly, sincerely wonder and doubt the salvation of some catholics based on this issue.
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;
Only God/Jesus can hear your thoughts and know your heart. Not angels. Not the devil. Only God. And God answering to Mary…lol. She was Jesus earthly mother. A servant. A sinner. Because she was human. Only Jesus was sinless. Only through Jesus can you be saved. The scriptures are clear, a sinner cannot save you. The only way to the Father is through Jesus. Mary focused on what is important. She is amazing. And she would put a switch to alot of folks praying to her instead of Jesus.
Take the WHOLE quote including the last phrase: "for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;" I interpret that as meaning that God is the only one who knows the hearts of ALL the children.... That means, to me that God is the one who can read everyone's mind & everyone's heart. Obviously the devil can read the hearts & mind of SOME people. That's unfortunate, of course, but if the devil had no power at all, then we wouldn't be in this mess in the 1st place!
Archangels can also read the hearts & minds of SOME people & it is certainly OK to request their help. I think Trump wrote this in a brilliant way.to not exclude people of other faiths. He said that we pray comma and do thou oh archangel. That means that we are praying (to God I presume) and that we request a mission of Michael. It is not a prayer to Michael but a request & yes, Michael can read our thoughts if God so allows it
I’ve had the same thoughts as you. This sure seems an awful lot like false god worship. Jesus taught us to pray to the Father and the disciples prayed to the Father and Jesus.
Mary was simply a faithful servant to God and acted as a vessel for God’s son, Jesus. She’s not his heavenly mother. Jesus is also known as the Word, and has been around since before creation (John 1:1). He was just made flesh through her.
Jesus is God incarnate, one Divine Person, two natures (NOT two persons!). It's called the Hypostatic Union in theology. To say that Mary was mother ONLY of the man Jesus is to divide His Divine Person in half which is impossible. She is indeed the Mother of God BECAUSE she is mother of the God-Man Jesus Christ. It's very logical.
God is a trinity, three persons in one God. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Scripture is pretty clear about that. Jesus even prays to his Father, not himself. If Mary is so holy and divine, why not her mother as well? Why isn’t she mentioned more in the New Testament. Do the disciples even mention her? The Bible is the ultimate authority and there is nothing I’ve read to back up those claims.
Jesus is God's Son. God Himself was very clear in that. What a loss in the relationship with God and His Son people suffer when they don't understand that. John 14:12 the works that I do shall ue do also, amd greater works than these shallnye do because I go unto my Father.
If that verse is true then how would it work if Christ is God? Our works are energized by God, we could not therefore do more powerful works than God, but we can do greater works than Jesus according to his own words.
God is Spirit and no man hath seen Him at any time, Jesus was seen of many and he had to be baptized and recieve spirit.
Why if hi is supposed to be God. Study where those fables originated.
Yes, Mary was a faithful servant to God Because she said YES to Him. But NO, she didn't simply act as a vessel for God's son. You're going to tell me that Mary was simply a vessel and after she gave birth and then she had no use? lol. Do you understand how holy someone would have to be to carry and then give birth to the Son of God!? You do understand that, through a process called Microchimerism, mothers carry their children's cells in their blood and other tissues even after birth. That would mean that Mary had Jesus' (God's) DNA in her. And to clear something up for you Prots. for the 5,000th time, lol, we do not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for God alone. We venerate her, hold her in high regard, respect the spiritual authority she has, and respect that she is Jesus' Mother. The same goes for the Saints in heaven. It's no different than when people ask one another, "Hey, I'm going through a time or I'm dealing with this thing, could you pray for me?" Seriously, if you actually want to learn about the Catholic faith, go to catholic.com and type in any question you have. You are pretty much guaranteed to find an article or discussion from actual Catholic apologists with an answer to your question.
The nun told you that in reference to the wedding at Cana, a story found in only in John's Gospel. Jesus was not ready to begin his public ministry yet. His reply to Mary when she told Him "They have no more wine" was "Woman, my HOUR has not yet come." But she trusted Him so completely, she told the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." And Jesus did her bidding, hastening the HOUR that figures so largely in John's Gospel, the HOUR of the crucifixion and redemption of the world. Pretty big deal there. Jesus doesn't HAVE to do anything; but these things were recorded that we might believe, as St. John says.
As someone who was baptized Catholic, grew up and left the church for a while, and eventually returned, I can tell you that I didn’t really understand the depth of my Catholic faith. It wasn’t until I started listening to Catholic apologetics on the Catholic Answers radio program that I started to better understand everything. I really encourage you to listen in and learn your faith in a deeper way. You can even go to catholic.com , type in any question you have, and find articles, interviews, etc… on the topic. I hope you decide to look into it. I laugh so hard when I see all these non-Catholics here on GAW trying to explain Catholic teaching and theology. Go to catholic.com , listen to Catholic Answers on the radio, and learn from people who REALLY understand the Catholic faith.
Hmm, I think it’s not that people are directly praying to them, but through them to God or Christ.
Christians, Jews, and Muslims I think all believe God is a busy man. So they assume asking the hierarchy will get a prayer through to the HDIC (Head Dude In Charge). Saints, the Pope, Angels, and even your own passed relatives and friends can be seen as part of the Heavenly Hierarchy to get a message/prayer heard or answered by God or Christ.
It’s still a misdirection of prayer. Either God is all knowing and all powerful, or you have to take a number before he gets to you. The Bible has a lot to say about praying to other gods, and praying to angels and saints and Mary is that by any other name. They are not God. We cannot understand God’s power, intellect, and ability to know the hearts, minds, and prayers of every person who calls on Him.
I agree except for the “misdirection”, because You yourself, just like me, don’t know how it actually all works. Again you’re just guessing as are ALL Of Us on God’s communicative higher power.
But for all the religious flamers that are going to OCD on this:
As I said previously, “I’m just guessing” as to why people do as they do in the religious hierarchy is all, people!
Not one of us humans here on Earth knows exactly how it all works in Heaven! You kinda have to be dead to actually, 100%, positively, exactly, figure it out! I’m not dead enough to precisely know!
Actualy sir what you claim I am unable to find in the bible. Please refer me to where you got that angels have long-standing orders?
Otherwise.ill assume it is you who is guessing. From what I see in God's Word there is no need to guess as God claim His Word pertains to life and Godliness and God states many times He would not have us ignorant.
Like I said, I was guessing. Because none of us know how things reeeeally work between God, the Angels, and spirits. It just does and we are ignorant of how it really works. We aren’t there to actually know.
Demons can read minds. This has been documented multiple times. So why wouldn't angels also be able to do so? I think many here seem to think you need to be omnipotent to read a mind. There is no logical reason to believe this. Many higher beings other than God can read a person's thoughts.
Oh I agree. Some people can read minds too. Possibly even machines (Like the lie detector machine) Of course angles can often read our mind. By omnipotence, it is only God who can always read everyone's mind. I think that's what's confusing people here.
In this predicament on earth today, the demons & evil beings are clearly working with the people in the cabal. That means they can communicate with each other. God and the heavenly host are presumably working on the side of we the people, I do believe, & yes, with Trump. God knows all so he knows the thoughts of the good & the evil. Demons don't know all. If they did, they would know their plight is vain. They do know a lot though & yes, I think they communicate with the cabal. Since they don't know all, they still think there is a way for them to win. It is because of this ignorance that the battle even exists.
Hmmm, I agree with you about self willed angels (aka demons), & yes, worship belongs only to God, however, I have no problem with what trump wrote here. Requests can be sent to anyone. We request things of other people so we can request things of angels as well. Trump asked Michael for assistance in defense, that's not a prayer anymore than when he asks his generals for for assistance in defense.
Angels need to receive authorization to intervene, through permission or request. Because of the universal law of Free Will. But whether they receive that through what you say in your mind or through what you say outloud, doesn't matter. The intention and desire of your heart is what they will know.
I totally understand your question. It’s also why I only pray to the Father/Son since they are omnipresent. I ask the Father to send His armies to encamp around my home and around those fighting to end this spiritual war (to what we can this side of heaven). I too want to understand a Catholics point of view.
Whether Catholics pray out loud or silently is a matter of personal choice, generally silent when alone and out loud in a group.
For non Catholics, it’s not well understood that what Catholics mean by prayer has many more levels and meanings than it does for non-Catholics, as the latter often equate prayer only with worship due to God alone.
The word prayer in many languages can be a synonym for ask, beg, please, do, etc. German bitte is a good example.
In Shakespeares time, it was common for one person to pray (ask) another to do a favor. This is roughly what Catholics are thinking when they speak of praying to angels or saints in heaven.
No one assumes creatures in heaven are omniscient, but it’s pretty obvious from scripture that folks in heaven are far more knowledgeable than we are. Just one example is Abrahams knowledge of Lazarus and the rich man, which included details of their lives on earth, despite their living long after Abraham had died.
Catholics pray to the saints and especially to the Blessed Mother to intercede for us. We also ask them to pray for us. We do NOT worship their statutes NOR do we worship them.
We pray the prayer above to St Michael to protect us. We have different Saints we pray and ask help from. Some have specific novenas you can pray to specific saints to help us find lost things, ask for healings, etc.
I often pray the prayer above to Saint Michael but don’t typically pray to other saints for their help.
We pray aloud and also silently on our own.
This morning before Mass at my church we prayed the rosary aloud as a group. We will be praying the rosary every Sunday before Mass bc October is respect life month.
Alright, thanks. But can you explain how they hear your prayers? Do you believe they are omniscient or omnipresent? I don't understand how they HEAR your prayer.
they don't need to be omniscient or omnipresent to hear you pray.
when somebody tags me in a comment, i get a notification. that doesn't mean i can perceive and be present at all parts of the internet at once. it just means there is a system where messages are relayed to the people they are relevant to.
The Catholic Rule of Faith is Scripture + Tradition. Catholics believe Jesus gave us a church initially, not a Bible. The Bible came later through His Church.
As far as I know, the Bible doesn't specify the extent to which saints, angels, and archangels can perceive.
it does say there is much more to know than what is contained in it's written text, and that by forming a good relationship with God, you can be led to understand those things.
To what end? I'm sincerely curious. Are you saying that God allows angels and Mary to hear your prayers so that they -- what? Can answer them? Or transmit the prayers to Him? But He has already heard them. I don't get it.
It's like asking your friends to pray for you. The saints in heaven are considered our friends (and our spiritual family), and because the soul is eternal, they are more alive now than ever. Their prayerful intercession is even more powerful than the intercession of friends and family who are still living on earth. The taxonomy is:
The Church Militant = believers on earth
The Church Triumphant = souls (saints) in heaven
The Church Suffering = souls in purgatory, who will one day reach heaven
Of there are already saints in heaven then why does thesallonians tell us that Christ is coming back and raising the dead and psalms says there is no remembrance from the grave.
I don't know if angels hear our prayers specifically, maybe the do, maybe they don't, but one thing for sure, angels only take orders from God, and will only go to where God commands. Daniel 10:10-13 is an account of exactly this. Daniel humbled himself before God and prayed, 21 days later Michael finally showed up, but Michael told Daniel that the prayer was heard the first day, and God sent Michael to Daniel, but the enemy's dark forces delayed Michael for 21 days. There is a war in the unseen realms and our biggest weapon is prayer, knowledge of the Word and our faith. You should read it, it's fascinating. Daniel 10:10-13 gives a tiny glimpse into the job of Michael
These answers are well meaning but incorrect. You don't have to be God in order to read thoughts. Demons do it during exorcisms all the time. Demons can do it. Angels can do it. Higher enlightened beings can do it. An angel perceiving your prayers can be accomplished for the same reason a demon knows a person is calling out to him. These beings perceive thoughts on a vibrational level. Angels can absolutely perceive prayers without a person speaking them out loud.
When I asked my follow up question, the link wasn't visible to me. Thanks for that. I read it and the scripture the writer is using as proof text. However, I don't believe that the text says what he suggests. At all. Yes, God can do anything. But there is no biblical support for the idea that He parcels out prayer requests and allows angels or anybody else to hear and / or answer them. I appreciate you trying though.
There are many others if you try want to delve into it. I am no theologian so I cannot draw you to biblical references. I do know there are more books in a Catholic bible than a Protestant one, however.
Being raised Catholic I never questioned it. It’s tradition. We celebrate All Souls’ Day and All Saints’ Day. And everyone who goes to Heaven becomes a saint.
Some lived lives that the Catholic Church recognizes.
Again we do not worship them nor do we worship their statues.
Just so you know praying to saints dates way back to the very early church. And the first Christian Church was Roman Catholic.
Thank you. This is the most helpful thing I've seen. I'll delve into it more in depth when I have time. The first example of the rich man and Abraham makes me wonder about the dead communicating with the dead. By that I mean, perhaps once dead, a soul in hell can communicate with a soul in heaven. But does that mean a live person can communicate with a dead person? Again, I'll look into it more because I know there were more examples given in the article. I appreciate the answer!
You’re welcome. I have to do my own research onto it.
Been taking bible study with a group of other women from other denominations. So it’s useful to learn how to justify my own faith as it relates to the Bible.
May Gods Protection be all around Trump. Shine with his light. No evil is welcome near him, and all must leave and the door sealed with the Blood of Jesus. May the Blood of Jesus protect Trump and his circle. AMEN
St. Michael prayer is so powerful. I wear my Crucifix and St. Michael pendant 24/7.
“Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.””
Revelation 12:7-12 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/rev.12.7-12.NIV
In my study of Revelation:
The Beasts, globalists, and dragon, Satan, with all their demons battling the angels and saints that follow the commands of Jesus Christ.
No weapon formed against thee shall prosper. Pray to God, He will decide what to do to deliver us. If He sends Michael then Michael will.come. but Michael doesn't decide that for himself.
"Now have I spoken with wisdom.
List to my Voice and obey.
Tear open the Veils of the darkness.
Shine a LIGHT on the WAY.
Speak I of Ancient Atlantis, speak of the days of the Kingdom of Shadows,
speak of the coming of the children of shadows.
Out of the great deep were they called
by the wisdom of earth-men,
called for the purpose of gaining great power.
Far in the past before Atlantis existed,
men there were who delved into darkness,
using dark magic, calling up beings
from the great deep below us.
Forth came they into this cycle. Formless were they of another vibration,
existing unseen by the children of earth-men.
Only through blood could they have formed being.
Only through man could they live in the world.
In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men. Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.
In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the veil was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man."
YouTube puts a fact check on any 'Shapeshifter' videos.
Does YouTube fact check to spread truth, or to hide truth? Do you believe any YouTube fact checks?
It is difficult to communicate some things around this. I had a comment the other day that was (reasonably) taken that way, as I intentionally didn’t rule it out in the comment (though it’s not what I think).
Where I think this comes into play is in enactments and re-enactments of models, so the question then is which model is being re-enacted, and testing and discerning against different aspects of the model that were in play.
we are in a global conflict between good and evil. Literal satanists are burning down churches. this isn't a power-grab for a city, or a nation, or a continent... these satanists are trying to seize control of the entire world and its population.
and if you're keeping an eye out for them, you know we've seen many miracles during the process.
at what point will you consider it to be Biblical?
Everyone here so far has missed this Delta!
Look at the date of the Q post matching this quote...November 5th!
What's special about that date?
Hint: last time it got stolen
Wowwwww, and 7 years since...
IT'S GOING TO BE BIBLICAL!
u/#lord u/#q109 u/#q4465
Somebody pointed out the Truth Social timestamp… 12:31
https://x.com/Cowboyw2b2/status/1840437258047848926
u/#q1231
I believe Trump posted that to confirm to us what most of us already understand… This is The Red October.
[:22] = Sept 23 points to Q1294 "Boom week ahead."
7 days later on the clock...
Q864 March 6, 2018 = [:29] = Sept 30
"Wait & see.
Re_read drops - you have more than you know.
Eyes in the SKY.
SUM OF ALL FEARS //\"
Q520 Jan 13, 2018 = [:37] on the Clock (Oct 8)
"What public disclosure occurred re: U1?
DEFCON 1 [NON-NUKE FALSE]"
Obviously this had other connotations at the time, but double meetings…
False narrative of "it was non-nuclear" coming maybe?
Oct 5 to 12 ~ [:34] to [:41] are VERY significant days on the QClock. October 8 [:37] specifically.
I believe somewhere in here falls the "10 days of darkness."
(I made a post to teach GAW how to identify video of nuke vs non-nuke. Unfortunately Apple and android have modified their software to try to wash out this telltale sign from videos… Same technology they use for those clever "face filters")
We will see...
Trump pointing to Archangel Michael's prayer seems to be a 'prayer before tough days ahead' if you will.
WWG1WGA!
-Eyes 👀 in the sky, sum of all fears-
This relates to the missile threats made on president trumps life. Will we see missiles flying this week? Tomorrow?
Sum of all fears was a movie about a (nuclear) missile and the lies surrounding where it truly came from.
It was was about a 35 year old Israeli gravity nuke lost in the desert, rebuilt and shipped to Baltimore via a container ship.
Agreed John. Pray without ceasing everyone! 🙏
Daaaaang I’m due to be induced on Oct 8 😩
Congratulations!
Do not fear! God is with us!
WWG1WGA!
Where are you getting the 12:31 timestamp from? Neither the Q drop nor the Trump tweet are from that time…..
https://x.com/Cowboyw2b2/status/1840437258047848926
He posted the same thing on Truth Social at 12:31pm
The Mickey clock says 10:08. I’ve always wondered if it was pointing to the date.
Bingo
Oct 8... [:37] on the Clock Trump4evergirl
👍🏼
Serious question - not looking to argue with anyone here.
When catholics pray to Michael or Mary, do they do so aloud or silently? Because they are not omniscient. They are not able to read your thoughts or your mind.
They are also not omnipresent. So unless they just happen to be hanging out with you, at work, at home, wherever you are, they are not going to hear your prayer, even if you pray aloud.
If God, Christ, and his Angels are dimensional beings, you inner mind is therefore a window for them. Aloud or silently, if you need them to hear it, they will. Some things they cannot act on though and other things they could/can. But they hear you my friend and along your timeline, in some mysterious way, they will help with what they can.
God, absolutely. But I have not seen anything in the bible to suggest that angels hear or answer prayers.
Well God or Christ sends them. But I’m sure the Angles have loooooong standing mission orders they can act on with instant blessing or rebuke.
And you and I are just guessing anyway haha. Who knows how it all really works communication-wise between them. 😁
That's why I believe it's best to look to what the bible says about the subject. Jesus Himself taught the apostles how to pray. And He never said it's acceptable to pray to created beings (angels, Mary.)
I'm sure some people think I'm just trying to pick a fight, and with sincerity, I am not. I just want to understand why catholics believe it's okay to pray to them. I don't see any biblical support for this and it's a pretty huge deal in the catholic church. I know, because I was raised catholic, l had first holy communion, confirmation and went to catholic school, learned catechism (for more than being taught the bible) and so forth.
In fact, I can distinctly remember being taught by a nun that since Mary is Jesus' mother, He will obey her. So if we pray to her to ask for something, she will tell Him and He will answer our pray and give it to us because He has to be an obedient son.
But nobody has been able to answer this question with biblical proof. And to me, it's a very, very serious thing. Because I love Jesus with all my heart and I want all people to know and love Him the way that I do. And I honestly, sincerely wonder and doubt the salvation of some catholics based on this issue.
1 Kings 8:39 says, "then hear in heaven your dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and render unto every man according to all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;
Only God/Jesus can hear your thoughts and know your heart. Not angels. Not the devil. Only God. And God answering to Mary…lol. She was Jesus earthly mother. A servant. A sinner. Because she was human. Only Jesus was sinless. Only through Jesus can you be saved. The scriptures are clear, a sinner cannot save you. The only way to the Father is through Jesus. Mary focused on what is important. She is amazing. And she would put a switch to alot of folks praying to her instead of Jesus.
Take the WHOLE quote including the last phrase: "for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;" I interpret that as meaning that God is the only one who knows the hearts of ALL the children.... That means, to me that God is the one who can read everyone's mind & everyone's heart. Obviously the devil can read the hearts & mind of SOME people. That's unfortunate, of course, but if the devil had no power at all, then we wouldn't be in this mess in the 1st place!
Archangels can also read the hearts & minds of SOME people & it is certainly OK to request their help. I think Trump wrote this in a brilliant way.to not exclude people of other faiths. He said that we pray comma and do thou oh archangel. That means that we are praying (to God I presume) and that we request a mission of Michael. It is not a prayer to Michael but a request & yes, Michael can read our thoughts if God so allows it
I’ve had the same thoughts as you. This sure seems an awful lot like false god worship. Jesus taught us to pray to the Father and the disciples prayed to the Father and Jesus.
Mary was simply a faithful servant to God and acted as a vessel for God’s son, Jesus. She’s not his heavenly mother. Jesus is also known as the Word, and has been around since before creation (John 1:1). He was just made flesh through her.
Jesus is God incarnate, one Divine Person, two natures (NOT two persons!). It's called the Hypostatic Union in theology. To say that Mary was mother ONLY of the man Jesus is to divide His Divine Person in half which is impossible. She is indeed the Mother of God BECAUSE she is mother of the God-Man Jesus Christ. It's very logical.
God is a trinity, three persons in one God. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Scripture is pretty clear about that. Jesus even prays to his Father, not himself. If Mary is so holy and divine, why not her mother as well? Why isn’t she mentioned more in the New Testament. Do the disciples even mention her? The Bible is the ultimate authority and there is nothing I’ve read to back up those claims.
Wow, that right there is some mental gymnastics. Sorry fren Mary is NOT the mother of God.
Please follow up (if you choose refute) where in the scripture the term “Hypostatc Union” is mentioned or better defined. Thanks.
Jesus is God's Son. God Himself was very clear in that. What a loss in the relationship with God and His Son people suffer when they don't understand that. John 14:12 the works that I do shall ue do also, amd greater works than these shallnye do because I go unto my Father.
If that verse is true then how would it work if Christ is God? Our works are energized by God, we could not therefore do more powerful works than God, but we can do greater works than Jesus according to his own words.
God is Spirit and no man hath seen Him at any time, Jesus was seen of many and he had to be baptized and recieve spirit.
Why if hi is supposed to be God. Study where those fables originated.
Yes, Mary was a faithful servant to God Because she said YES to Him. But NO, she didn't simply act as a vessel for God's son. You're going to tell me that Mary was simply a vessel and after she gave birth and then she had no use? lol. Do you understand how holy someone would have to be to carry and then give birth to the Son of God!? You do understand that, through a process called Microchimerism, mothers carry their children's cells in their blood and other tissues even after birth. That would mean that Mary had Jesus' (God's) DNA in her. And to clear something up for you Prots. for the 5,000th time, lol, we do not worship Mary. Worship is reserved for God alone. We venerate her, hold her in high regard, respect the spiritual authority she has, and respect that she is Jesus' Mother. The same goes for the Saints in heaven. It's no different than when people ask one another, "Hey, I'm going through a time or I'm dealing with this thing, could you pray for me?" Seriously, if you actually want to learn about the Catholic faith, go to catholic.com and type in any question you have. You are pretty much guaranteed to find an article or discussion from actual Catholic apologists with an answer to your question.
What does the Bible say about speaking to the dead?
1 Timothy 2:5 ESV “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”
The nun told you that in reference to the wedding at Cana, a story found in only in John's Gospel. Jesus was not ready to begin his public ministry yet. His reply to Mary when she told Him "They have no more wine" was "Woman, my HOUR has not yet come." But she trusted Him so completely, she told the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." And Jesus did her bidding, hastening the HOUR that figures so largely in John's Gospel, the HOUR of the crucifixion and redemption of the world. Pretty big deal there. Jesus doesn't HAVE to do anything; but these things were recorded that we might believe, as St. John says.
As someone who was baptized Catholic, grew up and left the church for a while, and eventually returned, I can tell you that I didn’t really understand the depth of my Catholic faith. It wasn’t until I started listening to Catholic apologetics on the Catholic Answers radio program that I started to better understand everything. I really encourage you to listen in and learn your faith in a deeper way. You can even go to catholic.com , type in any question you have, and find articles, interviews, etc… on the topic. I hope you decide to look into it. I laugh so hard when I see all these non-Catholics here on GAW trying to explain Catholic teaching and theology. Go to catholic.com , listen to Catholic Answers on the radio, and learn from people who REALLY understand the Catholic faith.
Hmm, I think it’s not that people are directly praying to them, but through them to God or Christ.
Christians, Jews, and Muslims I think all believe God is a busy man. So they assume asking the hierarchy will get a prayer through to the HDIC (Head Dude In Charge). Saints, the Pope, Angels, and even your own passed relatives and friends can be seen as part of the Heavenly Hierarchy to get a message/prayer heard or answered by God or Christ.
Does that make sense?
It’s still a misdirection of prayer. Either God is all knowing and all powerful, or you have to take a number before he gets to you. The Bible has a lot to say about praying to other gods, and praying to angels and saints and Mary is that by any other name. They are not God. We cannot understand God’s power, intellect, and ability to know the hearts, minds, and prayers of every person who calls on Him.
I agree except for the “misdirection”, because You yourself, just like me, don’t know how it actually all works. Again you’re just guessing as are ALL Of Us on God’s communicative higher power.
But for all the religious flamers that are going to OCD on this:
As I said previously, “I’m just guessing” as to why people do as they do in the religious hierarchy is all, people!
Not one of us humans here on Earth knows exactly how it all works in Heaven! You kinda have to be dead to actually, 100%, positively, exactly, figure it out! I’m not dead enough to precisely know!
Actualy sir what you claim I am unable to find in the bible. Please refer me to where you got that angels have long-standing orders?
Otherwise.ill assume it is you who is guessing. From what I see in God's Word there is no need to guess as God claim His Word pertains to life and Godliness and God states many times He would not have us ignorant.
Like I said, I was guessing. Because none of us know how things reeeeally work between God, the Angels, and spirits. It just does and we are ignorant of how it really works. We aren’t there to actually know.
Demons can read minds. This has been documented multiple times. So why wouldn't angels also be able to do so? I think many here seem to think you need to be omnipotent to read a mind. There is no logical reason to believe this. Many higher beings other than God can read a person's thoughts.
Oh I agree. Some people can read minds too. Possibly even machines (Like the lie detector machine) Of course angles can often read our mind. By omnipotence, it is only God who can always read everyone's mind. I think that's what's confusing people here.
In this predicament on earth today, the demons & evil beings are clearly working with the people in the cabal. That means they can communicate with each other. God and the heavenly host are presumably working on the side of we the people, I do believe, & yes, with Trump. God knows all so he knows the thoughts of the good & the evil. Demons don't know all. If they did, they would know their plight is vain. They do know a lot though & yes, I think they communicate with the cabal. Since they don't know all, they still think there is a way for them to win. It is because of this ignorance that the battle even exists.
I agree with everything you said.Thanks
Really? God sent angels in reply to prayers all over the bible.
Prayers to God, God decides it the angel is sent or some other solution. The angels that were self willed got tossed. We don't pray to them.
Hmmm, I agree with you about self willed angels (aka demons), & yes, worship belongs only to God, however, I have no problem with what trump wrote here. Requests can be sent to anyone. We request things of other people so we can request things of angels as well. Trump asked Michael for assistance in defense, that's not a prayer anymore than when he asks his generals for for assistance in defense.
Angels need to receive authorization to intervene, through permission or request. Because of the universal law of Free Will. But whether they receive that through what you say in your mind or through what you say outloud, doesn't matter. The intention and desire of your heart is what they will know.
And instantly or along a period of time. Yep, agreed.
YES!
And they are not God
You have chosen…..wisely…..
I totally understand your question. It’s also why I only pray to the Father/Son since they are omnipresent. I ask the Father to send His armies to encamp around my home and around those fighting to end this spiritual war (to what we can this side of heaven). I too want to understand a Catholics point of view.
Thank you. Maybe we'll get an answer here that helps us understand. I hope so.
Whether Catholics pray out loud or silently is a matter of personal choice, generally silent when alone and out loud in a group.
For non Catholics, it’s not well understood that what Catholics mean by prayer has many more levels and meanings than it does for non-Catholics, as the latter often equate prayer only with worship due to God alone.
The word prayer in many languages can be a synonym for ask, beg, please, do, etc. German bitte is a good example.
In Shakespeares time, it was common for one person to pray (ask) another to do a favor. This is roughly what Catholics are thinking when they speak of praying to angels or saints in heaven.
No one assumes creatures in heaven are omniscient, but it’s pretty obvious from scripture that folks in heaven are far more knowledgeable than we are. Just one example is Abrahams knowledge of Lazarus and the rich man, which included details of their lives on earth, despite their living long after Abraham had died.
I’m a practicing Roman Catholic
You are correct May and the saints are not omnipresent. However this may help you understand:
https://catholic.cafe/2020/01/16/are-mother-mary-saints-and-angels-omnipresent-like-god-to-listen-to-prayer-requests-of-the-faithful-from-different-locations-on-the-planet-at-the-same-time/#:~:text=Mother%20Mary%2C%20the%20Saints%20or%20the%20Angels%20are,%28Ephesians%203%3A20%29.%20It%20is%20God%20who%20empowers%20them.
Catholics pray to the saints and especially to the Blessed Mother to intercede for us. We also ask them to pray for us. We do NOT worship their statutes NOR do we worship them.
We pray the prayer above to St Michael to protect us. We have different Saints we pray and ask help from. Some have specific novenas you can pray to specific saints to help us find lost things, ask for healings, etc.
I often pray the prayer above to Saint Michael but don’t typically pray to other saints for their help.
We pray aloud and also silently on our own.
This morning before Mass at my church we prayed the rosary aloud as a group. We will be praying the rosary every Sunday before Mass bc October is respect life month.
Alright, thanks. But can you explain how they hear your prayers? Do you believe they are omniscient or omnipresent? I don't understand how they HEAR your prayer.
they don't need to be omniscient or omnipresent to hear you pray.
when somebody tags me in a comment, i get a notification. that doesn't mean i can perceive and be present at all parts of the internet at once. it just means there is a system where messages are relayed to the people they are relevant to.
Oh goodness. I honestly don't mean to sound disrespectful, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Where is the biblical support for this notion?
The Catholic Rule of Faith is Scripture + Tradition. Catholics believe Jesus gave us a church initially, not a Bible. The Bible came later through His Church.
The Protestant Rule of Faith is sola scriptura.
It's a different ecclesiology. I hope that helps!
I'm just explaining the words that you are using.
As far as I know, the Bible doesn't specify the extent to which saints, angels, and archangels can perceive.
it does say there is much more to know than what is contained in it's written text, and that by forming a good relationship with God, you can be led to understand those things.
ask and ye shall receive.
That's what I've done. I've asked the catholics here on the board. And I'm waiting to receive.
oof..
Matthew 7:7 does not mean ask the catholics. Ask God, in prayer and ye shall receive.
How many places does the Bible remind to 'trust not in man', and 'lean not on the understanding of yourself or others'?
God allows them to hear us.
To what end? I'm sincerely curious. Are you saying that God allows angels and Mary to hear your prayers so that they -- what? Can answer them? Or transmit the prayers to Him? But He has already heard them. I don't get it.
It's like asking your friends to pray for you. The saints in heaven are considered our friends (and our spiritual family), and because the soul is eternal, they are more alive now than ever. Their prayerful intercession is even more powerful than the intercession of friends and family who are still living on earth. The taxonomy is:
The Church Militant = believers on earth
The Church Triumphant = souls (saints) in heaven
The Church Suffering = souls in purgatory, who will one day reach heaven
Of there are already saints in heaven then why does thesallonians tell us that Christ is coming back and raising the dead and psalms says there is no remembrance from the grave.
I don't know if angels hear our prayers specifically, maybe the do, maybe they don't, but one thing for sure, angels only take orders from God, and will only go to where God commands. Daniel 10:10-13 is an account of exactly this. Daniel humbled himself before God and prayed, 21 days later Michael finally showed up, but Michael told Daniel that the prayer was heard the first day, and God sent Michael to Daniel, but the enemy's dark forces delayed Michael for 21 days. There is a war in the unseen realms and our biggest weapon is prayer, knowledge of the Word and our faith. You should read it, it's fascinating. Daniel 10:10-13 gives a tiny glimpse into the job of Michael
These answers are well meaning but incorrect. You don't have to be God in order to read thoughts. Demons do it during exorcisms all the time. Demons can do it. Angels can do it. Higher enlightened beings can do it. An angel perceiving your prayers can be accomplished for the same reason a demon knows a person is calling out to him. These beings perceive thoughts on a vibrational level. Angels can absolutely perceive prayers without a person speaking them out loud.
When I asked my follow up question, the link wasn't visible to me. Thanks for that. I read it and the scripture the writer is using as proof text. However, I don't believe that the text says what he suggests. At all. Yes, God can do anything. But there is no biblical support for the idea that He parcels out prayer requests and allows angels or anybody else to hear and / or answer them. I appreciate you trying though.
I just gave you one link about Saints. Here is another that actually gives you the biblical references for why Catholics pray to saints: https://www.ncregister.com/blog/4-biblical-proofs-for-prayers-to-saints-and-for-the-dead
There are many others if you try want to delve into it. I am no theologian so I cannot draw you to biblical references. I do know there are more books in a Catholic bible than a Protestant one, however.
Being raised Catholic I never questioned it. It’s tradition. We celebrate All Souls’ Day and All Saints’ Day. And everyone who goes to Heaven becomes a saint.
Some lived lives that the Catholic Church recognizes.
Again we do not worship them nor do we worship their statues.
Just so you know praying to saints dates way back to the very early church. And the first Christian Church was Roman Catholic.
Thank you. This is the most helpful thing I've seen. I'll delve into it more in depth when I have time. The first example of the rich man and Abraham makes me wonder about the dead communicating with the dead. By that I mean, perhaps once dead, a soul in hell can communicate with a soul in heaven. But does that mean a live person can communicate with a dead person? Again, I'll look into it more because I know there were more examples given in the article. I appreciate the answer!
You’re welcome. I have to do my own research onto it.
Been taking bible study with a group of other women from other denominations. So it’s useful to learn how to justify my own faith as it relates to the Bible.
Ok. This is my favorite one yet!
May Gods Protection be all around Trump. Shine with his light. No evil is welcome near him, and all must leave and the door sealed with the Blood of Jesus. May the Blood of Jesus protect Trump and his circle. AMEN
St. Michael prayer is so powerful. I wear my Crucifix and St. Michael pendant 24/7.
Revelation 12
“Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”” Revelation 12:7-12 NIV https://bible.com/bible/111/rev.12.7-12.NIV
In my study of Revelation:
The Beasts, globalists, and dragon, Satan, with all their demons battling the angels and saints that follow the commands of Jesus Christ.
For those with ears let them hear.
Perseverance and Prayer.
Amen
No weapon formed against thee shall prosper. Pray to God, He will decide what to do to deliver us. If He sends Michael then Michael will.come. but Michael doesn't decide that for himself.
Just slightly different. Wow.
is this a catholic thing? excuse my ignorance
THE BATTLE FOR OUR COUNTRY HAS BEGUN...
HEAD SQUARED, EYES FORWARD, SHOULDERS BACK...Look them in the eyes and NEVER EVER FLINCH!!!!
MAGIC SWORDS
AT THE READY
Someone said earlier that it lines up with the Q clock:
https://x.com/Cowboyw2b2/status/1840440691601895439/photo/1
"Michael, Michael, of the Morning..."
Amen
Everyone here needs to pray this everyday.
IT IS FINALLY HAPPENING?!
u/#jesuslovespopcorn
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood..."
"Now have I spoken with wisdom.
List to my Voice and obey.
Tear open the Veils of the darkness.
Shine a LIGHT on the WAY.
Speak I of Ancient Atlantis,
speak of the days of the Kingdom of Shadows,
speak of the coming of the children of shadows.
Out of the great deep were they called
by the wisdom of earth-men,
called for the purpose of gaining great power.
Far in the past before Atlantis existed,
men there were who delved into darkness,
using dark magic, calling up beings
from the great deep below us.
Forth came they into this cycle.
Formless were they of another vibration,
existing unseen by the children of earth-men.
Only through blood could they have formed being.
Only through man could they live in the world.
In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men.
Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.
In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the veil was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man."
YouTube puts a fact check on any 'Shapeshifter' videos.
Does YouTube fact check to spread truth, or to hide truth?
Do you believe any YouTube fact checks?
Now site back and think about what that means...
Madlad posted the "Anti-semitic" version
It's going to be biblical is from the Q posts. There is no suggestion that Trump is in any way our savior.
It is difficult to communicate some things around this. I had a comment the other day that was (reasonably) taken that way, as I intentionally didn’t rule it out in the comment (though it’s not what I think).
Where I think this comes into play is in enactments and re-enactments of models, so the question then is which model is being re-enacted, and testing and discerning against different aspects of the model that were in play.
It's going to be biblical is a reference to the movie Law Abiding Citizen.
I was hoping it was a reference to Ghostbusters.
"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria"
No one knows what Q truly means when he says it will be biblical. Maybe one day we will find out what it means. Maybe not.
But we can certainly guess what it might mean. Good vs evil. God vs satan. Ancient spiritual wars. All quite relevant.
what does Biblical mean to you?
we are in a global conflict between good and evil. Literal satanists are burning down churches. this isn't a power-grab for a city, or a nation, or a continent... these satanists are trying to seize control of the entire world and its population.
and if you're keeping an eye out for them, you know we've seen many miracles during the process.
at what point will you consider it to be Biblical?